The Syndicate

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Oh well I think I did well and now I can't annoy people and use the idk what I'm doing excuse anymore haha.

You had me fooled- excellent strategy in throwing the puppet slayer off your scent. Plus it kept me from suggesting that we kill or lynch you until the end, since, when I am bad, I usually try to take out BTSC people as soon as possible. Well done!

Thanks for a whimsical game, Mongoose!

THAT ENDING HIT ME RIGHT IN THE FELT.

Why did you guys choose to kill me btw?

It was either your or llama. A Person had missed two votes in a row, so I didn't think he would vote. Because llama kept survive lynches, I didn't want to risk trying to kill him and it not go through. So the scissors came to you.

sabie12 wrote:Oh well I think I did well and now I can't annoy people and use the idk what I'm doing excuse anymore haha.

You had me fooled- excellent strategy in throwing the puppet slayer off your scent. Plus it kept me from suggesting that we kill or lynch you until the end, since, when I am bad, I usually try to take out BTSC people as soon as possible. Well done!

Thanks for a whimsical game, Mongoose!

THAT ENDING HIT ME RIGHT IN THE FELT.

Mister Rearranger wrote:It was good in theory.

Did one of you guys win the weird block that sealed my fate?

Mongoose said my switch didn't work cause I got blocked, but it must have only been a day thing since my Bullzeye kill went through.

The only thing I won was a +1 vote. Three different people ignored my vote curse though, so I don't know what that was about.

I said that it was because I got my Felt Voodoo products from the Hobby Lobby...obviously they wouldn't carry voodoo products.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Lol, I think I searched all of you except Vomps so as long as you weren't puppets and I thought you were decent, the kill light was green.

That's a solid strategy!

Mister Rearranger wrote:Also, I pegged Vomps and Dom as my best bets on being Civs, I'm really sorry I killed you guys 'cause I usually try avoid NKing opposing baddies if at all possible.

I swore you had our names listed some place.

Another thing: Hedgeowl.

We killed her because I had her pegged as a role checker.

I think our endgame was quite solid. We offed Made. That made it 3-2. I forced Sabie to vote for llama (even though she didn't ), but I had a +1 vote from eons ago that I used against her secretly. So I would survive any lynch against me.

Then we assumed there would be no even Night kill since no one tried to save MR.

On Night 8, I would force thellama73 to vote A Person (or vice versa) and we would win.

So we were rather confident once the puppet slayer died with no help.

Sabie, you played phenomenally. I do hope you harbor no hard feelings against this old FEB at heart. Making up that bullshit case on you at the end was painful for me, and A Person agreeing to it, while great in terms of the game, made me feel even more rotten.

Made & Sabie12 were the puppets?

That was not expected at all.

See, I wish you hadn't done that. Now I have to vote in my defense. I could have joined you in possibly voting elsewhere.

Here is where I am at the moment:

sabie is new (in case you didn't know that by now ). Her suspicions have often been based on a tenuous reason. She also frequently reminds us of the objective of the game. I get being new and unfamiliar with things, but by Day 8, I wouldn't expect the same lack of confidence. Looking back, it appears forced. Also, Made I believe was the only person to bring anyone's attention to sabie. He got killed on an odd Night.

Roxy used to be difficult for me to read, but there's a very specific tell she has when she's bad. I've seen it twice now, but not here. If I am to vote Roxy, someone would have to convince me.

What drives me nuts about llama is that, although he prides himself on being logical, he's been cavalier and his suspicions are like Whack-a-Mole. For example, he didn't remember that A Person had replaced Keterman, who was (is) Big Felt until Made pointed it out. Now he votes me by "process of eliminate" (protip: He's doing it wrong). I'll admit that I've gone back and forth on him, but I don't get it: How does he survive death three times- one night kill and two lynches- if he's civilian? His behavior is so LMS it's not even funny: "Anyone but me!"

A Person = Keterman = Big Felt. The End.

++++

So my top two suspects are sabie and llama.

thellama73 wrote:Come on, Made. I defended you.

Flashbacks to Harry Potter.

sabie12 wrote:So see it's not just me then.

"It's my first try so I'm attempting to make some kind of educated guess" isn't the same thing as "I don't like eliminating people because it makes me feel bad."

A Person wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

A Person wrote:

sabie12 wrote:No you're right I am way too nice and feel bad trying to kill people off when I'm not really sure who to vote for.

I've been playing for ages and I still feel like that, but I also still feel uneasy about you.

I was just about to say that about you, AP!

All of it?

That you feel bad eliminating people.

A Person wrote:

sabie12 wrote:No you're right I am way too nice and feel bad trying to kill people off when I'm not really sure who to vote for.

I've been playing for ages and I still feel like that, but I also still feel uneasy about you.

I was just about to say that about you, AP!

sabie12 wrote:Idk really just trying to figure out something. This late in the game it's really hard to figure out what's up. It's my first try so I'm attempting to make some kind of educated guess, but this has been kind of a confusing game.

See, that's the seventh time you've reminded us of or highlighted your newness. At first I just thought you were nervous and didn't want to offend anyone, but now it sounds like you keep trying to excuse yourself. For what purpose?

Addendum: That's hardly process of elimination, but okay.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

sabie12 wrote:I was pretty sure roxy and epi were bad. They've consistently voted for civs.

I have voted for thellama73 (alignment undisclosed), Boogs (civilian), and Hedgeowl (alignment undisclosed). I voted for one known civilian. Why would you say these other two, whom you also voted for, are civilians?

I often consistently vote for civilians when I am good, because I don't have the knowledge necessary to avoid that kind of record. I try really hard not to let that sort of voting record happen when I am bad and can consciously avoid it.

Voting off civilians makes you a civilian. Got it.

sabie12 wrote:I was pretty sure roxy and epi were bad. They've consistently voted for civs.

I have voted for thellama73 (alignment undisclosed), Boogs (civilian), and Hedgeowl (alignment undisclosed). I voted for one known civilian. Why would you say these other two, whom you also voted for, are civilians?

thellama73 wrote:I will not vote Sabie today. I will not vote Roxy today. That leaves Rob and AP. Thoughts?

I don't think you'll vote for AP.

UnMade.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Whatever, if I die, I die. Voting MR now.

For what it's worth, I'd like to think I'm an observant person, but I did not want to state that I wouldn't be voting you today (for obvious reasons).

Can you explain why MR is bad instead of Made?

You're all over the place.

Didn't feel like getting your hands dirty on this one?

Me? That wasn't my intention. Thank you for asking. I had been drinking since noon, having been up since 6am. In Fantasy Football, I had Knowshon Moreno (injury out), DeSean Jackson (injury out), Adrian Peterson (kid's injury, out), and Marques Colston (QB didn't know he existed). For this reason, Eloh beat me despite a +10 point project in my favor. I drowned my sorrow in cheap beer and fell asleep in my chair. At some point I walked my ass over to bed and continued to doze. At about 8:30pm EST, I was awoken to Eloh putting unruly children going to bed. I still have coursework to submit and I have-

-oh, you were bad?

Cool.

How did the children react to the outcome of the Thurs night game?

The older two were happy with their winnings. Ephraim, however, does not have a piggy bank of any kind. This morning, he sat with me on the couch for a long while before anyone got up. And I said, "Guess what? Football comes on today!" And he cocked his head at me and said, "Where my money are?"

Gangsta.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Whatever, if I die, I die. Voting MR now.

For what it's worth, I'd like to think I'm an observant person, but I did not want to state that I wouldn't be voting you today (for obvious reasons).

Can you explain why MR is bad instead of Made?

You're all over the place.

Didn't feel like getting your hands dirty on this one?

Me? That wasn't my intention. Thank you for asking. I had been drinking since noon, having been up since 6am. In Fantasy Football, I had Knowshon Moreno (injury out), DeSean Jackson (injury out), Adrian Peterson (kid's injury, out), and Marques Colston (QB didn't know he existed). For this reason, Eloh beat me despite a +10 point project in my favor. I drowned my sorrow in cheap beer and fell asleep in my chair. At some point I walked my ass over to bed and continued to doze. At about 8:30pm EST, I was awoken to Eloh putting unruly children going to bed. I still have coursework to submit and I have-

-oh, you were bad?

Cool.

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If I had my druthers, I would vote for MR today. His scapegoateree of Made has my eyebrow firmly raised, and Made, although deathly wrong about me, is reasoning like a civilian. However, I do not have my durthers, since people still are probably going to try to kill me and I will have to save myself however I can.

Still, I urge people to look at MR.

It's a scapepaca, thank you very much...

wait, scapegoating implies that MR was in hot water. What I can't figure out is MR's angle. If he were mafia at this point, he wouldn't bother making a theory with little to no evidence or support, Right?

I don't think we should vote MR at this point.
Thoughts?
In response to Roxy: what are some normal mafia and Indy win conditions outside of out number town and last man standing? Those are the only ones I know of.

You would like the non-Mafia killer to help you. Who is the non-Mafia killer?

thellama73 wrote:Whatever, if I die, I die. Voting MR now.

For what it's worth, I'd like to think I'm an observant person, but I did not want to state that I wouldn't be voting you today (for obvious reasons).

Can you explain why MR is bad instead of Made?

You're all over the place.

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Made, I think Bullzeye was a damning kill.

Not as damning as it immediately might appear. According to page one, mafia only kills on odd nights, meaning there a large chance mafia was not involved.

While we don't know puppet slayer's win objective, Mafia wins by outnumber town. So Puppet slayer--at this point in the game especially-- is incentivised to find and kill suspected mafia.

Uh-huh.

This from the front page:

Mongoose wrote:BAD FELT. Secret win conditions.

The Mad Hatter and his hats have a secret win condition. So how do you know that:

1. The Puppet Slayer has a unique win objective, and
2. That Mafia win by outnumbering the town?

I think you dun goofed.

Made, I think Bullzeye was a damning kill.

Talk about nine lives.

I decided to vote for llama.

Addendum: "A chip off the old Roxy."

Roxy wrote:Thats a lie!

I didn't get any notification when I posted! I hope I did not inadvertently make you feel insignificant or harm your self-esteem.

Two hours and no comment from anybody.

Mongoose wrote:Guys, I have a 2-hour yoga workshop starting in half an hour.

I'm sorry.

I have not made up my mind. Llama's entire "Vote for Made" campaign is predicated on Made behaving differently than he did in two other games (oh, and also predicated on, "Welp, I guess I need to save my own ass again!"). The problem with this is thus: If Made were on my team, and he wanted to know how to act, I would have given him two simple words: "Be yourself." The thing is, I still see Made as a wild and crazy guy. I do not see that he is behaving differently. So my disagreement with Llama makes Made slightly more suspicious in my eyes, if that makes any sense.

What keeps me from voting for Llama is that I can be paranoid regarding resurrected persons (see Harry Potter, where I resurrected the role checker and didn't believe a damn thing he said). On the other hand, I have participated in one in which, in my mind at one point, there was little chance the bad guys were going to win. Then the evildoers got a secret resurrected recruit. The resurrected person was, of course, never suspected, and the civilians lost quite handily.

Yes, I suspect both Made and thellama73, but I fear choosing poorly.

thellama73 wrote:Made's style this game is so dramatically different than the last two games he's played, in which he was good. I don't see him being good this game.

You've said this before, but you've not explained how.

Made wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:Epig, what is your opinion of Llama atm?

Before he died, he had to vote each time to save himself. I get that. Since then, he voted to lynch Eloh (early) because Roxy knows her better than I do. Previously, he said he did not suspect my wife.

And two simultaneous resurrections? No way those are two good resurrections. Keterman didn't talk at all when he came back, but he got replaced. Llama has been running with the "I'm a loose cannon" persona since he came back.

So I don't trust Llama. I think he came back naughty.

The way I see it, he was always naughty, but is convinced it's too late for civvie to make a comeback. The thing really throwing me tho, is killing hedgie rather than myself, or yourself (assuming civvie) or any other player who's garnered trust, Are we just that off that we're more useful alive than we are dead to mafia?

Before llama died, he agreed with me that Eloh was not suspicious. When he came back, he started the lynch against her. We know he wasn't forced to vote for her. He plays it off as having quickly changing opinions.

Eloh was of the mindset that llama had been killed and brought back by his own team. I didn't agree with her because it was a nonsensical thing to propose. Still, the thought gained currency, and llama made her suspect #1 and lynched the fucking Pool Table. Why?

thellama73 wrote:I am a loose cannon, and you shouldn't trust me, but I am not bad. In fact, I'm good!

Something about actions and words...I forget the saying.

Do forgive me.

Made wrote:Epig, what is your opinion of Llama atm?

Before he died, he had to vote each time to save himself. I get that. Since then, he voted to lynch Eloh (early) because Roxy knows her better than I do. Previously, he said he did not suspect my wife.

And two simultaneous resurrections? No way those are two good resurrections. Keterman didn't talk at all when he came back, but he got replaced. Llama has been running with the "I'm a loose cannon" persona since he came back.

So I don't trust Llama. I think he came back naughty.

thellama73 wrote:It's a good point, Made. Unfortunately I am inclined to pool my vote on either you or Rob.

Super.

Town?

That's the second time the odd Night killers took out a runner up from the previous Day's lynch.

Hedgeowl wrote:I think Made actually voted his suspect as well and based on the fact that I think you are possibly bad and created a case on him it makes me think he's not on your team either.

Good gracious, Hedgeowl, you should have been here on campus this morning. #88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s stock car was here with the National Guard hosting an event. You might've had a real good time, seeing how you like to go in circles.

I think Made is good because I think Epi is bad. I think Epi is bad because I think Made is good.

Elohcin wrote: I don't mean to upset you Epi.

Bye Guys.....have fun!

Not upset at all.

How do you go from this:

Hedgeowl wrote:Made could be bad or the SK or you could be one of those. I actually don't have strong feelings on his civness atm.

To this:

Hedgeowl wrote:Also, people I currently trust in this game are Made and Keterman. Not anyone else, based on this lynch.

In less than twenty minutes?

Elohcin wrote:For the record....if I get lynched. I think both llama and epi are bad. Epi is usually more of a go getter than he's been this game. A nd if he were civvie, then the baddies would have killed him by now. Am I right or am I right?

You know, people keep saying this.

Nobody considers that I am back at work, putting together a brand new school newspaper, teaching world literature, attending endless meetings in which people ask questions that only pertain to them, giving guitar lessons again, that fantasy football has started and that I am managing four teams (and helping someone else with hers), that I am taking a superfluous but legally mandated college course online consisting of fruitless busywork, recording a third album, refereeing children the moment I walk in the door, cooking supper every night, fixing the reception, watching Gordon Ramsay yell at stupid muppets twice a week, and making unnecessary trips to the store because someone needs more butter or eggs.

The thinking here is that I should be Night killed for being awesome or be lynched because I don't meet people's expectations (read: do their work for them). If that's the mindset used to lynch me, I will never win as a civilian.

I'm going to keep with Hedgeowl.

thellama73 wrote:The difference, of course, is that, unlike thieves and tyrants, I have no power other than my solitary vote.

And like a good rebel, I refuse to follow you just because.

There is a part in the back of my head that hopes this is not a Harry Potter repeat.

thellama73 wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Maaaaan I'm having trouble figuring this one out. Im really torn. Im thinking Hedge because she is accusing me of something from her first game but Im not sure what that is and looking back on her poll votes and posts it seems like her and llama and her and epi had some feuds going on. Llama has completely switched his tune all of the sudden and isnt going after her anymore. Very suspicious. Maybe someone is protecting or bribing out there hmmm.

I keep saying there is a good reason for everything I do. Why does no one believe me?

Because it's the same justification thieves and tyrants use?

At this point I am inclined to vote Made. I'm just thinking it over.

Roxy wrote:Never said I wasn't voting Elo.
I did ask who you were voting for.
But latchers make me twitchy.

Let's try again.

"Roxy, you've been voting Eloh early and often- what stays your hand now?"

I didn't ask if you were voting Eloh. I asked why you hadn't voted Eloh by now.

Roxy, you've been voting Eloh early and often- what stays your hand now?

Roxy wrote:I have done some reading today.

I still feel the same about Elo.

Feel the same about Hedge and sabie.

Feel ok about Made and Epi

Bullz is twitching my nose a bit and is right even with llama.

MR is in and out it makes me feel very unsure about him.

Made and Epi who are you voting for?

Why do you feel okay about Made? Jesus, I certainly don't.

To answer your question, I don't know. Made is a new guy who plays a loud avant-garde thing (think if Vompatti posted all the time), and, while he got heavy scrutiny in other games, he's received nearly none this time. I think he's being "out there" because that's what is expected of him at this point- certainly not because it lynches foes.

However, I voted Hedgeowl last time, and now she's voted for me (see below).

Hedgeowl wrote:THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel.

I don't know what you mean by "came down on Elo's idea at first." As for the second item, did you come up with that all by yourself?

Made wrote:Given, ofcourse they assist both, but who more?

That depends on who is giving it, no?

Made wrote:To address your first point, yes I voted first, but I honestly didn't expect so many people to jump on board. It just felt off, so I said it felt off. If everyone voted on your top suspect, wouldn't you feel off too?

Usually no. When people vote my top suspect, I like it very much.

Made wrote:Epig, giving reads, in your opinion does giving reads help other civvies or mafia more?

I'm not sure what you're asking me here.

Bullzeye wrote:I need to vote soon and the only real ping I have is *Elo* based on the whole 'trying to make people who've been killed by baddies look bad' thing.

It's Day 5 and that's the "only real ping" you've got?