The Syndicate

I wonder if spamming the Dr. Who thread will make MP and MM mad.

Maybe I do better when I don't know the theme very well.

And heck, I didn't even know very much about Dr. Who.

I mean, I had a lot of fun playing this game.

Although maybe not because of her professional duties.

I wonder if bea will be hosting anymore games in the future.

Oooh, and I get one, don't I?

And let the record show that I wasn't trying to cheat the lie detector. Just balls. Big ones.

Thank you bea and bwt. This was a mind-boggling event!

Roxy wrote:Why wouldn't anyone listen or see that Epi was bad? I knew he was during the Made/Enrique lynches and he more or less outed himself in the thread yet I was the only one besides SVS to see it. Then when Sabie voted for me she basically outed herself as well. Why lynch me over them when I was not even able to be here to defend?
I know we were asked not to say anything inre: Infodumps but I will say they do suck.

Epi - you incredible bastard!
So hard to get you lynched - I dare say near impossible - my hat is off to you!

I was trying to play an "obvious bad guy" this time around, because people like to say "nobody would be that obvious!" You sank your teeth into that bullshit and didn't let go!

Roxy, you are one of the few players across the board in any game that makes me genuinely, sweatingly, NERVOUS.

fingersplints wrote:My favorite part of the game was tha day when Epig was lynched and he said he wasn't going to be a bitch and vote to save himself. Little did he know he couldn't save himself anyways because I targeted him the night before and his vote didn't count anyways.

That's funny right there.

As I said before, the "bitch" comment was only said because it amused me. I was a dog.

Long Con wrote:Did anyone think Long Con 1.0 was Rory? I did two role hints, and I would like to think that I did them the right way.

When we tried to kill keys and it got redirected to you and blocked, I had a hunch.

Chris wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Chris wrote:Really Dom?

Way to stay classy man.
Don't even go there
I'd post a response to this, but it'll probably get deleted.

Yeah, it probably would.

Chris wrote:My back up plan.

I'm always someone's back up plan.

Chris wrote:I agree. But even if Strax is alive, it's still going to take 2 lynches to kill Dom.

That's 2 Cyber kills to one Master kill.

And then... what if Snow is the last Cyber? We can eliminate a nightly kill right here. And to be honest, I wouldn't be shocked if Sabie, Bass and Snow were the last of the Cybers. TH 1.0 or Splints could have been a Cyber.

And what, sir, am I?

Friction is largely fiction.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??
What about me, sir?
Well, unfortunately, if Zeek is The Recruiter and failed to recruit Dom because The Master can't be recruited... then your own information that you can't reveal about why Dom is The Master could easily spring from you being a recruit and having access to the same info Zeek does. Or you being the Recruiter and Zeek being a recruit also works in that scenario... Zeek would be an excellent recruit since we know he's not Cyber or Dalek, and you'd be a good recruit because you're influential and hard to nail down as a baddie.
Hmm.

What if I told you that I was good, got recruited, then got recruited AGAIN, and then got a new power.

That'd be trippy, wouldn't it?
Yes, very trippy!

Also, Chris, I wanted to let you know what your quote signature was supposed to say... what the Generator made it into is 1000x better, but the original statement was "Strax's kill tonight hopefully factors into my suspicions."

That didn't happen, I'm sorry to say, but there we are.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??
What about me, sir?
Well, unfortunately, if Zeek is The Recruiter and failed to recruit Dom because The Master can't be recruited... then your own information that you can't reveal about why Dom is The Master could easily spring from you being a recruit and having access to the same info Zeek does. Or you being the Recruiter and Zeek being a recruit also works in that scenario... Zeek would be an excellent recruit since we know he's not Cyber or Dalek, and you'd be a good recruit because you're influential and hard to nail down as a baddie.

Hmm.

What if I told you that I was good, got recruited, then got recruited AGAIN, and then got a new power.

That'd be trippy, wouldn't it?

Long Con wrote:Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??

What about me, sir?

DFaraday wrote:
Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.

People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.
I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.

EBWOP: Wow, LC, you're saying pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.

What?

Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.

People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.

Am I playing horribly? If so, please let me know how.

Dom wrote:Welp, I'm gonna be honest with you all-- it's gonna look a lot like me being the Master-- and this is why I didn't want to be lynched.

But, alas, I am not.

Thanks for the warning, feb.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.
If Dom is Strax, will you vote for yourself next lynch?
If Dom ain't, will you vote for yourself?
No, that makes no sense. I'm not making the case he's Strax or not Strax, it's not my name on the line here.

If I'm right, will you vote how I want you to vote from here on out?

Of course not. So why ask what you asked?

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.
If Dom is Strax, will you vote for yourself next lynch?

If Dom ain't, will you vote for yourself?

Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I cannot share that info without outing myself. Sorry. I don't do that. Even if it is allowed here.
And if Dom turns up Civvie, you'll be committed to Nijuu being the Master?

Yes.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?
If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.
Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?
I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.
Well, I don't have a spreadsheet, Pal. How about sharing? Didn't yo momma teach you to share? Your spreadsheet has the ability to translate back into the game-based events that led to its current state, right? So, what events led you to cross off keys, Hedgeowl, everyone else except Dom and Nijuu, from being The Master? I don't understand your refusal to explain your logic, it makes no sense to me. Are you claiming that your refusal to share the logic is a ploy to make you seem more baddie?

I cannot share that info without outing myself. Sorry. I don't do that. Even if it is allowed here.

I never get replaced.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?
If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.
Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

I've never gone to a strip club and now that's fucking up my grammar!

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

Long Con wrote:Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

nijuukyugou wrote:I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least

You're not wild in real life either. Boring ass English teacher who'd rather read Chaucer than shoot heroin off a stripper's knee.

Where were you on the night of January 16th, 2014?

keys56000000000 wrote:Question for all: What do we know about Zeek? I feel like he's been getting a pass because he was rezzed.

I trust him 100%.

keys56000000000 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:
zeek wrote:I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.
Yeah, I can't help but feel like you're trying to force the issue here. Juliets, Snow Dog, if you're civs, which I believe you are, but y'know, recruitment shenanigans aside, take your votes off Dom, Zeek's case really ain't that great.
And what about mine?
You don't strike me as a fellow who is easily persuaded, so I didn't attempt to, but if, as I suspect, you are a civilian, I would urse you also to change your vote.

Do you have a role in mind for Dom? I do.

keys56000000000 wrote:
zeek wrote:I am not being impossible and rude. I'm lynching a baddie. Nothing personal

keys - We don't want to avoid a Dom lynch.
Yeah, I can't help but feel like you're trying to force the issue here. Juliets, Snow Dog, if you're civs, which I believe you are, but y'know, recruitment shenanigans aside, take your votes off Dom, Zeek's case really ain't that great.

And what about mine?

Snow Dog wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Chris wrote:I'm done here.
If I only had a dollar every time...
You'd have three....four dollars?

I'll take.

Chris wrote:I'm done here.

If I only had a dollar every time...

Chris wrote:OH MY FUCKING GOD!

I said zeek was acting LIKE a noob role checker who just checked his first baddie...

I didn't say he WAS the role checker...

Fuck.

Which is why it's a simile and not an analogy.

Chris wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
It's day 11. Enough with the role checker nonsense.
And here I thought the English teacher would know what an analogy was.

He does. And he can readily differentiate between an analogy and a simile.

Chris wrote:
zeek wrote:Chris, what wrong?
What's wrong is, I don't think zeek would go after Dom this hard without knowing he was right.

But my problem is witg how zeek knows this. His case is based on basically nothing. All he's been doing is ranting and raving, trying to get anyone to vote for Dom.

This all just seems like a noob role checker who just checked his first baddie...

It's day 11. Enough with the role checker nonsense.

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.
Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.
See?

I wasn't trying to spank anyone.

I'm just direct.

Dom wrote:Epig, I am curious, why the sudden realization that I must be the Master? Why didn't you realize this about the difference between myself and blooper earlier? Why so suddenly in the middle of day 11?

Because I went to work and got home and watched a movie and cooked supper and watched Gotham and wrote the Zelda post?

You call it sudden. I call it thinking.

Dom wrote:
zeek wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm sorry that's what you think, because it's gonna lead you to a shitty conclusion.

I was right in our argument-- a civvie was lynched because the entire day was spent decoding and none of the day was spent baddie hunting until the last few hours. I believe that was the Epig lynch? Maybe Snow Dog? I don't remember, but I was right. I am interested in killing baddies. I am interested in getting results. Decoding is fine, but we spent almost a whole day doing it just to have a civvie lynched.
I don't know how that's relevant. I thought you were focussing on the Master because you could have been bad. I think I was wrong about that. Sorry?
You were not right. A poor result is a poor result. We could have spent the entire day period talking and nothing could have changed the outcome.

You don't see how somebody criticising somebody else for decoding the Master's secrets is relevant?
I didn't criticize you for releasing specifically the Master's secrets, but rather for seemingly to be exclusively focussed on the Master. I wondered why you seemed to avert attention away from other teams' secrets. If I were the Master, hello WIFOM, I likely would have helped you solve those secrets given that I would have known them.

But I did not.

I was absolutely right though. You can deny it all you want, have fun.

What would you like me to say?
I did respond to them, Zeek, please do not act like I did not.
I was in NYC for Columbus Day weekend and spent the entire weekend with my best friend. I hardly paid attention. I had an amazing time. I voted Epig because I honestly didn't really know either case all that well. I can defend against this with WIFOM, but that's entirely unproductive. I don't know what you'd really expect from that.

Holy shit, zeek, let me post!
And other people ARE saying things?

Ah-ah-ah.

You voted me because you didn't really know either case that well? That's not what you said then. "I feel quite compelled about both MM and Epig, to be honest."

That's the fucking OPPOSITE of "I honestly didn't really know either case all that well."

Yes, I believe I am correct.

Sorry Dom, you can't defend against being the LMS independent, but that's the nature of the role.

Chris wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So...

Eloh died the first time. She ain't The Master.

DF apparently hinted at something or other (I don't understand how, but apparently there's a lot of that going around). So he ain't The Master.

According to my spreadsheet, that means The Master is either Dom or Nijuu.

And one of these two people shall be receiving my vote.

Epig's evidence has spoken.

His spreadsheet says Dom is The Master, and that's all the evidence he needs.

That, and Dom voted fro him on day 6, and then never again.

That's about all I can take for tonight.

When a clown laughs at you, you have to laugh back?

Nope. Try again.

Chris wrote:By the way, what is this, like the third person you said was The Master tonight alone?

You're welcome to read my posts if you want. It's certainly less of a challenge than reading through the swamps you post.

Chris wrote:But Dom not voting for you again doesn't make him The Master any more than it makes the rest of us.

I'm trying to see your point of view Epig. I want Dom dead as much as you do, but I want him to be bad when he dies.

Your case does nothing to say that he's The Master.

It just showed that he thought you were bad at one point, and then didn't later. Or he prioritized someone ahead of you.

Holy shit indeed.

I didn't say Dom not voting for me again makes him The Master. Was that my claim? No.

Now you're telling me what Dom is thinking. Do you know what Dom is thinking Chris?

And I'm not accusing Dom of being bad (for the second time). I'm accusing him of being The Master. So no, Chris, not all of you are The Master.

Holy shit.

Chris wrote:
Epignosis wrote:We're both bad, but you vote for me. And then, after MM is lynched, you never vote for me again? Ever?

That's distancing 101. "My teammate and Player E are both bad, but I'm going to vote Player E for now."

Literally five other people voted for you just like Dom and never voted you again. Are we all bad too?

Opinions change.

Aren't you the guy who voted for me twice in a row and now just recently said you thought I was civ?

Opinions change.

Facts don't.

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