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by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:03 pm
nutella wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:45 pm God fucking damn it Epi the evidence was all there and you just fucking ignored it. This could have been an easy win but you refused to think for a second. Grrrrrrr


Anyway everyone bow down to my Jaydar
nutella wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:49 pm I nailed both remaining mafia before I died, and Tony had proof LC was lying, but no Epi's ego is too big to reevaluate or consider a dead townie's perspective.

I feel bad for Tony having seen all this through neighbor chat too.
For someone so acutely concerned with how words may cause offense or negatively influence someone's mental state, you sure don't seem to mind dishing out some derogation when it suits you.
Bro you had the role pm to resolve the 1v1, what was the logic in voting tony??
The role PM I got had a title that wasn't on the album and the wording of the role PM looked phony to me, as though a player hastily wrote it and not the host. I compared the wording the Mac's role description which contained a reference to the song title and the wording of the role PM I got looked forged. Eventually Nanook did correct the song title, but I was still not convinced it was real. There were other scenarios I was entertaining too.

One reason I said several days ago that I don't like "mechanical" clears is because I (as a host myself) am fond of incorporating elements to keep players from being 100% sure sometimes. In turn that has made me increasingly mistrustful of things like that role PM.

And I don't know if it was mentioned (hell, maybe I mentioned it) that I had BTSC with Long Con during that last phase, and he (eagerly, I'm sure) helped me buy into these ideas.

My mind may not always function the same way as everyone else's when it comes to Mafia. Sometimes that works in my favor and sometimes it doesn't, but I won't apologize for that, and I certainly don't believe my intelligence should be insulted over a game on the Internet, but I wanted to squash any notion that this was an attempt on my part to throw the game. I don't do that.

I am sorry I did not get you the victory. I can only do better next time.

Thanks for the experience, Nanook.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

nutella wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:45 pm God fucking damn it Epi the evidence was all there and you just fucking ignored it. This could have been an easy win but you refused to think for a second. Grrrrrrr


Anyway everyone bow down to my Jaydar
nutella wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:49 pm I nailed both remaining mafia before I died, and Tony had proof LC was lying, but no Epi's ego is too big to reevaluate or consider a dead townie's perspective.

I feel bad for Tony having seen all this through neighbor chat too.
For someone so acutely concerned with how words may cause offense or negatively influence someone's mental state, you sure don't seem to mind dishing out some derogation when it suits you.
by Epignosis
Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

And so continues the 2020 Syndicate tradition. XD
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:53 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

And yet Mac never mentioned receiving two roles.

And yet Duskfall never mentioned receiving two roles.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:52 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Long Con wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:01 pm Night 1, I sent nutella's role to Mac.
Night 2, I sent JJJ's role to Dusk.
Night 3, I sent Dusk's role to Epignosis.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:00 pm Tony, tell me your actions N1, N2, and N3.

LC, do likewise.
Sent a role to Mac, sent a role to Dusk, sent a role to Epi.
So:

On the Night LC sent a specific role to Mac, you sent a random role to Mac.
On the Night LC sent a specific role to Dusk, you sent a random role to Dusk.
On the Night LC sent a specific role to me, you sent a random role to me.

Is that not some insane coincidence?
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:29 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:00 pm Tony, tell me your actions N1, N2, and N3.

LC, do likewise.
Sent a role to Mac, sent a role to Dusk, sent a role to Epi.
Sent "a role?"

Nah.
Literally this is what my power does. I cannot change what my power does.
Why did you leave out who's roles you sent?
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:26 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:24 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:00 pm Tony, tell me your actions N1, N2, and N3.

LC, do likewise.
Sent a role to Mac, sent a role to Dusk, sent a role to Epi.
Sent "a role?"

Nah.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:13 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

[mention]Duskfall[/mention] end this please.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Tony is full of shit.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:00 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Tony, tell me your actions N1, N2, and N3.

LC, do likewise.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:53 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

I got a role from one of you. Only one of you.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:50 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

I'm keeping mum.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:41 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:33 pm this now has an arbitrarily high chance of going south because I tried to be too clever and forgot that epi existed
Explain in the simplest terms possible.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:01 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Long Con wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:41 pm Are there any questions for me before the Night is over?
Do you think you're going to die?
I've thought that since Night 1.
by Epignosis
Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:41 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Are there any questions for me before the Night is over?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:25 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:18 pm
Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:37 pm Not revealing till role cop claims, this is also my last post until rolecop claims. In the event anyone posts after this without claiming rolecop I'll assume you are not, so town rolecop if you withold your claim the odds are I will end up voting you today and we will lose. There's no reason to withhold here
I sent you JJJ's role last night.
Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm Ok jjj's role is not what he claimed if he get's the concert vote he becomes immune (fails going into lylo) so he has lied multiple times this game, including coming into lylo. So jjj is either scum here or we get to blame the game on him for fakeclaiming for no real reason last night, trying to get immunity.

Aside from that i am going to accept long con as town for sending me jjj's role pm and sending town a role pm n1 also. Epi is probably town due to relations with jjj today, apparently voting and unvoting jjj makes it unlikely scumpartner. So team here is almost definitely just jjj + tony
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:32 pm Votecount:

Jay (3): LC, Epi, Dusk
Not voting (2): Jay, TSP

@JaggedJimmyJay has died and flips as:
Star

You are an APOCALYPTIC NAYSAYER, you win when you have reached parity with SPIDERS FROM MARS or nothing can stop you doing so. If at least [X-1 living players where X is half of living players (i.e., 5 players if 11 are alive, 4 if ten are alive, etc.)] attend your concert at night, your ensuing popularity will ensure that you cannot be killed via vote the following day. Note that this will only work once, and will not take effect at KYLO/MYLO


N3 will end by June 16, 12pm EDT, or whenever I have everyone's actions.

The N3 cap for posts is 23.

@Duskfall (105)
@Epignosis (104)
@Long Con (85)
@TonyStarkPrime (82)
Talk to me about how LC is bad.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:20 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:35 pm
Long Con wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:30 pm
Duskfall wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:23 pm It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter
Shouldn't your role power refer to KYLO?

Multiple scum teams would surprise me in an 11 player game.
weirdest slip of all time.

The fact that the power exists puts me on 3 scum
Weirdest slip of all time!
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:35 pm Given three scum, leetic not one of them
Three huh?

I'll continue if you want. Tony is mafia.
yes continue
Who's mafia Tony?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:35 pm
Long Con wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:30 pm
Duskfall wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:23 pm It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter
Shouldn't your role power refer to KYLO?

Multiple scum teams would surprise me in an 11 player game.
weirdest slip of all time.

The fact that the power exists puts me on 3 scum
Weirdest slip of all time!
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:35 pm Given three scum, leetic not one of them
Three huh?

I'll continue if you want. Tony is mafia.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:05 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

I believe Duskfall is good. I believe Long Con is good. That leaves one option. Tony is mafia.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:01 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

I'm dead tonight anyway. Might as well eat drink and be merry.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:59 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:56 pm Epi you and me are cleared here long con and Tony are the people cc'ing each other btw, but the plan lets us find whichever out of them is the mafia
I don't doubt your plan at all. I'm just having fun at this point.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:55 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

My role:
Spoiler: show
You get to fuck up mafia. Especially if his name is Tony. The end.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:53 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:44 pm Okay here's a mechanical clear. I'm not losing to LC in another FC.

I am going to target Duskfall with my action tonight.
LC is going to target Epi with his action tonight.

If Duskfall is the target of the night kill, then if LC is telling the truth then Epi will receive my role and the game will be solved. If LC is not telling the truth, Epi will not receive a role and we kill LC.
If Epi is the target of the night kill, then if I am telling the truth then Duskfall will receive a random role and the game will be solved. If I am not telling the truth, Dusk will not receive a role and we kill me.


sound good?
See, I don't give a shit about mechanics. Duskfall showed initiative and cared enough to lynch JJJ.

You came in like

Image
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:47 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Nobody even gives a SHIT about my Night action. How wild is that?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:46 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

I hate mechanical wins. But whatever. I was happy to call out JJJ based on his shit.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:39 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:38 pm Oh nvm he claimed to send me a random role not randomly send someone's role to a set target f. Guess I'll see you guys tomorrow if Gy has not accepted me into their loving arms
I don't think I care.

Long Con looks like a civilian.

Tony does not.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:36 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:33 pm Ok so obviously me/epi are confirmed town and there is now wifom to send the other persons role pm to whoever lives and get town auto, good luck role cop sender please carry us to victory
I agree with the first clause you have.

Why would LC be in doubt?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:25 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:23 pm Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi
By the way, if you're a civilian (and I believe you are), I admired your play here. Well done.

If you're mafia, well, bravo even more. :beer:
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:24 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:23 pm Gl if you're alive tomorrow epi
Why wouldn't I be alive? :grin:
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:23 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Spoiler: show
Who should be ejected into the depths of space?

Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

Duskfall
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

JaggedJimmyJay
3
38%


Voters: Long Con, Epignosis, Duskfall

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes


Voters: None

No kill (hammerable)
0
No votes


Voters: None

No vote (not hammerable)
0
No votes


Voters: None

Host/dead/spec
5
63%


Voters: MacDougall, leetic, dunya, nutella, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME


Total votes: 8
Hammer is three.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:14 pm Okay I just read a lot of confusing stuff but this is really simple. It's just JJJ/LC, Nutella was right all along. uhh, I have a post to quote but I don't think I'm going to come close to post count so give me a second to go find it.
Come on Tony, let's go. Get JJJ dead.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:18 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Can we hammer this SOB?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:14 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm The last time I caught you, it was because you treated your GOC partner Sloonei like a fucking mime. You didn't distance shit.
I don't play to avoid getting caught.

I play to win.

I did what was necessary. :)
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm
Spoiler: show
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:12 am On the basis of those interactions, I'd split it this way:

dunya
Duskfall
Epignosis
Long Con


JiwonMeganPark
MacDougall
nutella
TonyStarkPrime


Mac is my top suspect. His being crammed into DS's POE is probably my least favorite thing among all those reviews.
It looks to me like JJJ has run out of "suspects" and has now resorted to the tenuous exercise of analyzing the interactions of people who are still breathing. The essential question has not changed even if you accept there are two remaining mafia members (which I don't). The essential question is never "Which two living people are bad together?" because you can only lynch one of them at a time anyway. The essential question is still Who is DS.'s teammate(s)?

The "essential question" is "how do we win the Mafia game?". You're playing dumb here. There's a reason I take this approach to solving so often -- it is effective. This isn't some novel shit. You know this.

Relationships with DS are important and should be considered. When the game state clearly demands reassessment however, as you illustrate this one does with your strikethroughs, then this split no longer holds water. There must be something wrong in that green pile. That's why I have to charge myself with the task of figuring it out by way of interactions beyond just DS. Because it was DS that led me to that split in the first place. Which is why this is trash:
No, the essential question is not "How do we win the Mafia game?"

The answer to that is "Lynch the mafia members." Duh.

Your latter paragraph is fine until I remember you are DS.'s teammate and I'm not.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm You know better than this. You behave as if I am meant to plop my ass on the reads I made four days ago and hope for the best. Civilians don't win that way.
You don't have any "reads." I think you weren't prepared for the excess deaths and miscalculated how things would play out, so you "POE" was fucked.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm I don't care what you think of this approach. You are the world's least graceful receptor of change or new ideas. Whatever your alignment you're going to gripe with this because it's not what you know. That's what you do. I want to improve my play, and sometimes that means trying approaches that I wouldn't have otherwise considered. This is not the last time I will try this one.
I'm autistic? :shrug:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:35 pmAnd one more thing: When was the last time a civilian JaggedJimmyJay had just 39 posts total at the commencement of Day 3?
1. I wonder why. :goofp:
2. You don't give a shit how many posts I make. You know I can make 500 if I want to make 500.

The non-quoted shit in the spoilers is Epignosis, not me. It's a pain in the ass to fix.
1. :shrug:
2. Not in this game. :ohyeah:
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:54 pm Okay, I'm here. I sent Dusk a random role last night. I think that this counterclaims someone else, but it's confirmable by my interactions with Mac yesterday where I breadcrumbed this heavily. Catching up now.
This is the worst hail Mary I have ever seen.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:46 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:05 pm DS is usually anti bussing so I'll probably not tinfoil and do Tony + jjj
You have more posts than 3J. You are a civilian and he is not.

When I keep getting post volume shoved down my throat as a civilian indicator, you can be damn sure I'm going to keep that in mind when things go the other way around.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:24 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Civilian JJJ would have cleared me by this point. It's simple. I could have easily gotten that lynch off leetic Day 1 and saved my n00b teammate. I didn't do that. I don't like to bus. I especially don't bus new people who are on my team the first Day unless he or she takes a big unavoidable dump in the thread (and DS. didn't do that from my perspective until he started shitting on me).
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:07 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:57 pm
Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:36 pm Ok jjj's role is not what he claimed if he get's the concert vote he becomes immune (fails going into lylo) so he has lied multiple times this game, including coming into lylo. So jjj is either scum here or we get to blame the game on him for fakeclaiming for no real reason last night, trying to get immunity.

Aside from that i am going to accept long con as town for sending me jjj's role pm and sending town a role pm n1 also. Epi is probably town due to relations with jjj today, apparently voting and unvoting jjj makes it unlikely scumpartner. So team here is almost definitely just jjj + tony
This is horseshit.

My claim was true, and I only provided it because why the hell not -- by the point I wanted to make use of it, we had been double-modkilled into Mimlo and neutralized it. Duskfall has crafted this fake claim out of the real role I provided and melded it with my having been removed from a poll most likely by dunya.

Epi popping in now with a new view that my claim was "bogus" probably means those two are the team. They fit together in my review, and I will expand on that now.
And this?
Long Con wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:18 pm
Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:37 pm Not revealing till role cop claims, this is also my last post until rolecop claims. In the event anyone posts after this without claiming rolecop I'll assume you are not, so town rolecop if you withold your claim the odds are I will end up voting you today and we will lose. There's no reason to withhold here
I sent you JJJ's role last night.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:55 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:45 pm Nevermind my concert, I forgot half of my role. Had at least half of you attended it would have automatically redirected the night kill to me, which would have been wonderful. But it doesn't work entering a Mimlo/Limlo so meh
Yeah, that's bogus.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:18 pm
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Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

Duskfall wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:41 pm Rolecop needs to claim
I read through all of your posts and I don't have any idea where you stand on anybody living (aside from me). That's concerning.

I've seen multiple posts about a role cop but very little telling me who should be murdered today.
Duskfall wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:23 pm It is possible there are multiple mafia teams and/or 3p i think, my role power is knowing when it is lylo or mylo. When i die the amount of scum alive is also revealed. Might as well claim that now I'm a pr that can probably die and not matter
Duskfall wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:43 am Hi we are in Mylo
Am I to understand then that according to your role there must be two mafia members alive?

I am trying to decide if I buy your role claim. It has no bearing on your alignment, of course.

Its utility doesn't afford the civilians much of anything in terms of helping them succeed outside of gaining insight on when "no lynch" makes the best sense. And yet it's an easy thing for an informed mafioso to fake.
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:30 pm @Epignosis believe it or don't, but if you're a civilian it's imperative you get your vote off of me immediately. If two mafia live, they're going to hammer me and there is nothing I can do to prevent that. I am dragging my laptop around on my back and can only find sparse wi-fi right now. Let me do my thing in the evening.
Fine.

My "ghost vote" is on JaggedJimmyJay.

Wooooooooooo
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:35 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Ziggy Stardust Mafia
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Views: 15333

Re: Ziggy Stardust Mafia

All JJJ did above was post a bunch of quotes and say whether we were nice to each other or not. It's a big nothing burger.

Any mafia team worth their salt knows how to distance and he knows that. :rolleyes:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:12 am On the basis of those interactions, I'd split it this way:

dunya
Duskfall
Epignosis
Long Con


JiwonMeganPark
MacDougall
nutella
TonyStarkPrime


Mac is my top suspect. His being crammed into DS's POE is probably my least favorite thing among all those reviews.
It looks to me like JJJ has run out of "suspects" and has now resorted to the tenuous exercise of analyzing the interactions of people who are still breathing. The essential question has not changed even if you accept there are two remaining mafia members (which I don't). The essential question is never "Which two living people are bad together?" because you can only lynch one of them at a time anyway. The essential question is still Who is DS.'s teammate(s)?

May I remind everyone what JJJ said about me previously?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:30 am Conclusion:

I don't think Epignosis is DS's teammate.
What about Long Con?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:29 am Conclusion:

I wish I had more to talk about, but I like it anyway -- especially LC's handling of the lover claim. I dig.
So I'm not DS.'s teammate, and LC's probably not DS.'s teammate, but LC and I are teammates together? Just how many mafia teams are there? :faint:

Another thing:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:17 am Whatever [VOTE: No kill] aubergine

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME that should be hammer
In what bloody universe does a civilian JaggedJimmyJay hammer no lynch when there are still hours remaining in the Day phase? If a civilian JJJ is off the poll, then he knows there is mathematically less of a chance that a civilian dies. A mafia JJJ saw a quick path to the Night phase. The quicker he could silence nutella, the better.

Or fuck it, let's encourage everyone to be silent!
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:49 pm I am considering a dialogue I had yesterday in the spec chat with our friends Ranmilla and Arapocalypse about Mimlo situations -- they suggest it is optimal to engage in no hunting during this period (essentially right now for us in this open night phase) as a means of 1) saving energy for the Limlo hunt with almost all of the same information available, 2) removing one player from the focus of that hunt, and 3) limiting information for the mafia to decide their kill. It's compelling and I am inclined to give it a try here.

I still intend to review the game on my own and determine where I stand on everything. I may not share it though. I am open to dissent there. It's counter to my usual methods, but I am rather fascinated by it as a chance for personal growth and experimentation.
"Don't talk at Night in case it's the last Night phase because it will influence the kill?"

What steaming load of shit is this?

First, any influence civilians can have on a mafia faction's kill is a good thing. JJJ knows this.

Second, the privilege of posting during the Night phase is to the civilian faction's benefit because it can keep continued pressure on the mafia. JJJ knows this too.

But even if I'm generous and agree that there are two mafia members left (I don't see any evidence to support that notion), by hammering no lynch, JJJ buried the Day phase in silence and then encouraged the Night to pass in silence.

I am amazed I am even typing these sentences.

Personal growth and experimentation my ass.

And one more thing: When was the last time a civilian JaggedJimmyJay had just 39 posts total at the commencement of Day 3?
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:39 pm
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:59 am ~ Epignosis and Long Con fit together. Gun to my head, that's the team.
I don't believe you believe this. :)
by Epignosis
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:06 am
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Anyone who tries to kill me fails and becomes my lover instead.

XOXOXO bitch.
by Epignosis
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:32 pm
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I'm finally here. Nobody has anything to say. Wild.
by Epignosis
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:01 pm
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I'm sorry.

Was there something required of me right now?
by Epignosis
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:41 pm
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by Epignosis
Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:57 pm
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We had a drive-thru graduation ceremony today.

I can now honestly say I've been to a seven-hour high school graduation. :offtobed:

Lots to do tonight including MMA research. I'll be with you all tomorrow if I'm not dead.
by Epignosis
Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:32 pm
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:33 pm dunya is the reason I'm off the poll. I was notified I'd been buffed which is precisely what her role does.

Both of my top suspects have tried to play that against me now. Even if I cannot receive votes, I can be discredited.

I feel very comfortable with the state of this game. nutella and Mac could just be the team.
Give me evidence that "buff" indicates what her role does. I.e, that you are off the poll.
by Epignosis
Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:21 pm
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nutella wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:32 pm
nutella wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pm linki: it's not a bullshit read. your slot's interaction with DS is hot garbage and you know this. if you were reviewing that slot from a neutral position you would have it as orange, I am certain. sure there's nothing really conclusive, but to me it fits the exact mold of a teammate pairing, partially because of the lack of material.
I probably put a slot with a bunch of nothing in the POE pool, yes. Again, this is not what you did. You went straight to hot garbage, and at my first incredulous reply you took it to 11 and said I "claimed mafia". That's not "going hard". That's bullshitting.
nutella wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pmyour read on me is the fake one. You know that I only go hard on you like this as town. In FTL I kept you comfortably in my pocket. You 100% know that I don't treat you like this as scum. You're full of shit.
No two games are the same. I had nowhere to go but to trust you in FTL, where literally my entire faction went to sleep for the whole game. You were the only other person doing anything, and credit to you for taking proper advantage of that environment. This environment is not the same, and the dynamic changes accordingly. You're a quality player with a diverse skillset that does not limit you to treating me in identical ways in every game, particularly when they are consecutive. So that is not going to cut it.
nutella wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pmBesides, you are the one who broadened the POE pool too much. You concluded your interactive exercise with a 50/50 split, which is not your typical pattern. You are leaving your options open. I have exactly three suspects.

Damn I so wish I could vote for you. But I think Jiwon is pretty likely your partner here so it's ok.
Why is Tony town?
No comment on my strongest point against you I see.

I know when you're struggling to emulate your town behavior. You think you can hide in your analysis but I can tell you are nudging results in the direction you want and you are fabricating the strength of your reasoning for suspecting me. You're pushing to see how far this can go and I see right through it. Sure I'm tunneling and confbiasing and all that, whatever. You've gone past the point where I could reconsider you and instead you doubled down on your bullshit on me which in turn confirmed that I am correct about you.


Tony did some vague hinting that I didn't necessarily follow but knowing him I find that more likely a good sign than not. He's certainly my least clear non-suspect and would be my first fallback if my suspect pool fails.
My shit with you nutella right now is that you had no problem with Jack. Jack leaves and Jay comes in. All of a sudden you take a shit on Jay.

If I look through your interactions with Jack, what will I see?
by Epignosis
Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:18 pm
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nutella wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:06 pm Also if Jiwon knew she was lovers with Mac on D1 why did she seem pretty eager to eliminate him at one point (and obviously again today but that can be more excused by her awareness that many of us would like to resolve her slot) ....maybe she just figured that leetic was going to be it at that point anyway. Idk. This is weird.

Her reaction to the lover stuff is pretty interesting on a second look. She says it would be a good deal if DS is scum and then goes ahead and hammers. Is that a bus with the tradeoff of taking down a townie too? I personally think it's pretty easy to read that way. Especially since nobody really suspected DS at the time.


After the flip she says "I created the most suspicion against DS" which......isn't really true at all lol. She was more like "what the hell might as well hammer in case DS is scum" without really suspecting him much beforehand (she had like one post with some minor pressure on him tbf). I think she knew exactly what she was doing.

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine


linki: it's not a bullshit read. your slot's interaction with DS is hot garbage and you know this. if you were reviewing that slot from a neutral position you would have it as orange, I am certain. sure there's nothing really conclusive, but to me it fits the exact mold of a teammate pairing, partially because of the lack of material.

your read on me is the fake one. You know that I only go hard on you like this as town. In FTL I kept you comfortably in my pocket. You 100% know that I don't treat you like this as scum. You're full of shit.

Besides, you are the one who broadened the POE pool too much. You concluded your interactive exercise with a 50/50 split, which is not your typical pattern. You are leaving your options open. I have exactly three suspects.

Damn I so wish I could vote for you. But I think Jiwon is pretty likely your partner here so it's ok.
Three teammates? Wild.

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