The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:04 pm @leetic here is your Winner banner as provided by the amazingly talented @Long Con. Wear it proudly!

That's fucked up.

With my power I was kind of just trying to die, haha.

This was a fantastic game and the hosts did a stupendous job. This is getting an award nod too.

Best indie or whatever for the awards next time please.

I'm okay with that. LMS is hard as hell and leetic played his ass off. This was a well-deserved win.

I just get the impression you're mired in mechanical discussion and afraid to make any kind of enemy.

Delta, why didn't you vote Day 7?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:05 pm in addition to the constant argument that Cape being the only "player" that can see both threads feels more and more like mechanical opportunism,

What argument?

viewtopic.php?p=1107584#p1107584

This is confirmed by the hosts.

I trust you and I trust leetic. Let's end this.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:34 pm My view is this:

Delta: Landlord

DrWilgy: Arbiter
Didn't you argue against me being an Arbiter previously?

Shit, probably. I say things.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:38 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:13 pm I don't really suspect Epi, either, because they moved their vote after I unvoted Davos, and I can't think of a reason why a wolf would rather flip a sock puppet than someone who's a mislunch.
But you GG'd me WHILE thinking this?
It was because of Epi's timing, though. Idk, I've been rethinking this all day and I feel like I'd rather flip Delta, except that I still believe you're Davos's owner.

And on the topic of Davos, yes, I remember what you said about how Scrappy and Davos came from games with different sock puppet mechanics. But if anything, I believe that would still make it more likely Scrappy mightve been an external player (for a total number of players that is odd) and Davos is a player in the game (not adding an extra to the count).

Didn't leetic (and my dumbass) point out that Lime Coke was Davos?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:38 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:13 pm I don't really suspect Epi, either, because they moved their vote after I unvoted Davos, and I can't think of a reason why a wolf would rather flip a sock puppet than someone who's a mislunch.
But you GG'd me WHILE thinking this?

You got GG'd long after the fact.

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 12:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:17 pm Delta's most likely Landlord.

Wilgy is on the other team.
I dont think I can be off mech?

Davos flipped Landlord-aligned & I really disagree with the idea that the person controlling Davos is dead here lol

I think you're a Landlord. That has always been my suspicion of you.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:51 pm Ctrl+fing "Epi" in Ricochet's ISO gives 41 results, but the amount of substantial interactions is far fewer, with the one I quoted being the only really notable one. It seems Ricochet was trying to use Epi to jumpstart a vote on Delta, possibly in an attempt to protect falcon and/or Lemonfairy.

Control F-ing Epi usually results in a lot of fun for the controller and...

Wait, where are you going?

I also do not think leetic or WWA would kill sig. That's a Wilgy move.

My view is this:

Delta: Landlord

DrWilgy: Arbiter

Not that team either, but I get it.

I'm not a Landlord.

If you think I'm the other team, fine.

Doesn't matter- if WWA and leetic are civilians, the game should be over.

Delta's most likely Landlord.

Wilgy is on the other team.

As things stand, that up there is my final answer.

If I had to put my foot down on the final two, it's DrWilgy and Delta.

I'm going to watch TV.

I mean, unless another landlord over on East was the pirate bird and this is still a slip (haha). I don't know. I'm tired.

To be clear, ONLY Lime Coke could have been the damn pirate bird. That's why leetic said as much. No slip there. I had some names mixed up.

^Nope, I'm just dumb.

Saturdays are hell folks.

There is no unvote, so [VOTE: Delta] aubergine.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

I rescind my suspicion. I see my error.

Nevertheless, there's still plenty of time for leetic to sort this out as able.

Nope. Still doesn't check out.

leetic said this in RESPONSE to you saying, "you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us."

If leetic has civilian information, then leetic is breaking the rules, but the response doesn't make sense in that context as a reply to you.

I don't think that's the case. I think leetic flat out goofed.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:03 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:57 pm I swear I come in every day start, thinking I've got a solid lead, and then I just get less and less certain as the day wears on.
I have two late-breaking pieces of evidence against leetic:

1) Jumping on you at the 11th hour after I did (as a ruse), and
2) Declaring Brad as the controller of the poppet when there is no evidence that is the case.

Number 2 is stronger than number 1. Together, it's is a red damn flag.
Is there no chance leetic might "slip" that Davos info if they are a townie who found out through some means?

Why here and why now? Is that how that universe reads?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:13 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:05 pm To everyone else: you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us.
Brad being Davos makes enough sense. I do think Wilgy is likely the remaining Arbiter though

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:57 pm I swear I come in every day start, thinking I've got a solid lead, and then I just get less and less certain as the day wears on.

I have two late-breaking pieces of evidence against leetic:

1) Jumping on you at the 11th hour after I did (as a ruse), and
2) Declaring Brad as the controller of the poppet when there is no evidence that is the case.

Number 2 is stronger than number 1. Together, it's is a red damn flag.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:44 pm If leetic is caught on Day 8 because of an old fashioned slip in GOC 2024, that's fun shit right there.
I'm trying to determine why they'd ever feel the need to mention Brad in the first place if they're a landlord and knew who Davos was, though. Seems like it wouldn't be very well thought out, and I would like to think leetic is more conscientious than that? I mean if they blurt who they believe Davos to be, isn't it more likely it's from town (or Arbiter) who doesn't care if they drop information because they know it doesn't incriminate them?

It isn't very well thought out. That's why it's called a "slip."

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

If leetic is caught on Day 8 because of an old fashioned slip in GOC 2024, that's fun shit right there.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:32 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:29 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:23 pm I thought leetic's jump on you when I made my 11th hour play against you was super suspicious. Thoughts?
I gave thoughts a couple posts ago. Leetic's PoE was very firmly only Wilgy/me, so I think pointing out that Wilgy and I were both voting Davos as a reason to jump off of Davos and onto me made sense in context.

The one thing that stuck out to me was that earlier, leetic was against voting Davos or at least avoiding the topic, but when arguing with Wilgy they voted Davos in a way that sounded like they were intimidating Wilgy to vote there, too. And that's probably the only thing that didn't make sense to me in Leetic's progression, but I don't know that it's enough to warrant suspicion.
I should clarify: the part that doesn't make sense to me is that leetic thought I was a wolf, then thought Wilgy was a wolf, but followed my vote onto Davos in order to make Wilgy vote there, and then voted me at EoD *because* both Wilgy and I were still on Davos. Like there's a gap in reasoning in between, but I don't think it's really alignment indicative?
My interpretation was that leetic saw you as an easy "real person" kill once I moved and could thus leave Davos for Day 8.
Hmm. So you think their last-minute vote swing was opportunistic, because it would give them a better chance of endgaming?

Precisely.

And I do not understand why leetic chimed in with "Brad was Davos."

There is no evidence whatsoever that I can see with my own two peepers that this specifically is the case.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:29 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:23 pm I thought leetic's jump on you when I made my 11th hour play against you was super suspicious. Thoughts?
I gave thoughts a couple posts ago. Leetic's PoE was very firmly only Wilgy/me, so I think pointing out that Wilgy and I were both voting Davos as a reason to jump off of Davos and onto me made sense in context.

The one thing that stuck out to me was that earlier, leetic was against voting Davos or at least avoiding the topic, but when arguing with Wilgy they voted Davos in a way that sounded like they were intimidating Wilgy to vote there, too. And that's probably the only thing that didn't make sense to me in Leetic's progression, but I don't know that it's enough to warrant suspicion.
I should clarify: the part that doesn't make sense to me is that leetic thought I was a wolf, then thought Wilgy was a wolf, but followed my vote onto Davos in order to make Wilgy vote there, and then voted me at EoD *because* both Wilgy and I were still on Davos. Like there's a gap in reasoning in between, but I don't think it's really alignment indicative?

My interpretation was that leetic saw you as an easy "real person" kill once I moved and could thus leave Davos for Day 8.

I thought leetic's jump on you when I made my 11th hour play against you was super suspicious. Thoughts?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:14 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:05 pm To everyone else: you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us.
Why did you unvote after I voted you?
Because I wanted the Davos flip, but not more than I wanted whatever flip was going to be most informative for everyone else to solve the game. I wanted the flip for info, but I wasn't going to self-pres on a sock puppet.

You dying over Davos was not going to be informative to me. Nothing here is. There are no more teams (I don't believe).

I did make leetic jump though, didn't I?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:13 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:05 pm To everyone else: you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us.
Brad being Davos makes enough sense. I do think Wilgy is likely the remaining Arbiter though

Where do you find this connection?

Been working all day, so I might be slow.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 8:05 pm To everyone else: you should ONLY vote within Wilgy/me today. Davos's flip should confirm to you that the Landlord is on the East side and can only be one of the two of us.

Why did you unvote after I voted you?

[VOTE: Davos] aubergine

All of those words just to hedge and set up the next Day phase.

Yeah, this is bad. "If Davos flips town [...] one of these names is mafia."

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 7:40 pm I would love to just punt Davos into the sun with absolutely no regrets but I'm still thinking everything through again because I dont have complete confidence in that move. I think they're objectively wolfy but if they're controlled by a player in the game, we're about to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I voted Davos to see how each of you would react, and seeing leetic, Wilgy and Epi follow my vote, I'm a little worried. However, it's given me important information, and it's that if Davos flips town or is attached to a player, one of these names is mafia. I think it is entirely possible that two are mafia. If Davos flips mafia and is attached to a player, one of those votes is likely the puppetmaster.

So I think we should go ahead and flip them. Worst case scenario, we are in XyLo tomorrow and we have a Davos town flip with a narrow PoE. Best case scenario, Davos flips mafia and is independent of other living players.

That is my verdict.

I don't know how much I buy this.

The wording is suspicious on top of that. "I think it's entirely possible that two are mafia."

Nothing whatsoever has changed this entire phase to move the needle in that regard.

[VOTE: WinwardAway] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:45 pm I am picturing choking the life out of Kermit the Frog right now.
After grabbing the lingerie, hopefully not in any way related to that.

This is getting a nomination.

I am picturing choking the life out of Kermit the Frog right now.

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