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HamburgerBoy wrote:Role claiming is defo a viable tactic if timed right, and probably the one that has yielded me better results than anything else on RYM.

This is why I selected Depends.

Epignosis wrote:
Draconus wrote:Question for you, though: Did you happen to read my self-defense post among my triple posts? No one ever responded to it that I could see.
I read it. What else can you say?

The interchange between Luke and the person you replaced is fair game though, so I'm going to comment on it.

That really was all I can say. If you're sticking with that opinion than I'll just have to respect that and hope that no one else shares it. And you're right, no matter how I spin it, the Luke and Bugla interaction doesn't look great for me.

If he responds. He still hasn't responded to my defense post.

Also, I was reluctant on 4.1 because of the quick succession of votes on Luke immediately following my vote. After the nutella lynch, though, I moved my vote back to Luke and left it there.

sig wrote:@Epi why are you voting for Drac I didn't see your reasoning?

Something about a link between myself, Luke, and Buglashithead.

DFaraday wrote:
sig wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I think better of Sig after that Luke lynch. Since Nutella turned out not to be part of a baddie team, I think the best place to look would be people potentially trying to save Luke in the previous lynch.
Okay that is good to know, what do you think about Floyd, Tranq did mention him a few times and voted for him, but I'm not sure if that plays into his death.

@Sorsha Any idea who might have killed Tranq?

I'll need to look over juliets, but I do think someone who mildly defended Luke or didn't vote for him and picked a solo vote is a teammate.

I think Floyd is a strong possibility for being Luke's teammate, given not only Tranq's comments, but Floyd's RIP to Luke and vote for Nutella when it was still very close between Luke and Nutella.

Matt F's defense of Luke and attempt to sway votes off of him catches my eye too.

I'm not really convinced by the Canuck case. She voted Luke early in the day, which seems like an odd strategy for a baddie teammate. Juliets is reading civ to me, but she always does.

For right now I'll vote Floyd.

I have had this in the back of my mind for some time now and have been very flippant about it, tbh. However, I think it's enough to make me vote with you, DF. Floyd

Well, since the reason for my Canuck vote is null, I'm moving my vote to myself, temporarily.

Canucklehead wrote:
Draconus wrote:Putting my vote on Canuck. Really right now my only suspicion of her is because of her Luke vote. It reeked of indifferent baddie bandwagon voting...ness. But seriously, though, her vote post did strike me as that of a mafia member throwing her vote on the tail end of a bandwagon to attempt to blend in with the rest.

Linki: I think it's worth noting that my vote here has nothing to do with Typhoony's defense post of Juliets. I still am unsure of how to feel about her myself.
I was like the second or third vote on him? Lol.

Really? I have a poor memory on top of everything else that's been swimming through my head lately. I apologize if that's the case.

Epignosis wrote:I don't get why Canucklehead is more suspicious to some people than juliets.

I read your posts below this and kind of understand your vote for me. To respond to this post: I voted for Canucklehead over Juliets because I still haven't had time to read through Juliets' posts. All I've been able to do so far is to just stay current. However, I will do my best to give that a shot tonight. I can't guarantee it will happen, though.

Question for you, though: Did you happen to read my self-defense post among my triple posts? No one ever responded to it that I could see.

Putting my vote on Canuck. Really right now my only suspicion of her is because of her Luke vote. It reeked of indifferent baddie bandwagon voting...ness. But seriously, though, her vote post did strike me as that of a mafia member throwing her vote on the tail end of a bandwagon to attempt to blend in with the rest.

Linki: I think it's worth noting that my vote here has nothing to do with Typhoony's defense post of Juliets. I still am unsure of how to feel about her myself.

Draconus wrote:Alright! A successful double lynch!!
Now to finish my nap.

Oh and I'm breaking the current tie with a no. Cus I think I'm still a low poster. Lol.

I'm a nub. I was so tired at the time, I don't remember making the second have of this post lol. Looks like I didn't miss the vote after all

Sorry for the triple post.

Epignosis wrote:
Luke11646 wrote:
BUGLABUSH wrote:Luke is mafia
Yeah, I'm mafia and I have BTSC with you.

BUGLABUSH wrote:Haha knew it
Mmm hmm.

Draconus wrote:
juliets wrote:I am torn about Luke because he could easily be just an inactive civ like Draconus was asking about or like others have said he could be hiding behind his low posts. Tranq pointed out the few questions Luke asked but there is no digging for info like I would expect from someone who asks questions. There's just not a lot there (though SVS makes a good point that he has posted more than Canuck who voted for him for not being present). Despite some reservations (like this is feeling like a bandwagon) I'm going to go ahead and vote Luke and change my vote if something else comes up that I feel is a better vote.
Thank you for bringing this back up! I don't like this bandwagon that has quickly formed.

Draconus wrote:Thank you to both SVS and Typhoony. That was very helpful. I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with the Luke bandwagon, so I'm moving my vote again. nutella
Mmm hmm.

Oh. Well that's an inconvenient interaction for me. Despite this, I would have done the same thing on the first Day 4 lynch had I known about this interaction. As I said then, my initial vote for Luke was a placeholder, because I didn't know anything about the current or previous suspicions. I asked for information on the nutella suspicion because that was being brought up the most. 2 people were kind enough to give me that info. I read through that info carefully, and was convinced that it was the best way to go. Had this not happened, I would have kept my vote on Luke despite not being to fond of the bandwagon that so quickly formed on him. I know for a fact that I was far the only one to voice my concern about this. Regardless, I immediately moved my vote back to Luke. I didn't feel the need to move my vote for anyone else, so I left it there. We bagged a baddie. End of story.

HamburgerBoy wrote:I'm pretty sure someone already mentioned it, but juliets being dead-last to jump on that Luke train is a really bad look, not to mention how she (and a few others' start here and scroll down) were pressured by Epi to change from her soft Luke vote the previous lynch. Not that golden is immune since this involved a mafia bandwagon rather than a third-party bandwagon, but of the people switching to nutella he'd be the one I'd suspect least, especially since I think he'd be a little more tactical about it. The others are in a grey zone, but BUGLA/Draconus' response to the pressure seems pretty iffy as well, especially since he was replacing and might not know the full circumstances of a train building against a scumbuddy.

I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Also, sorry for missing the night poll. I was working on unpacking at my house, doing laundry, etc. and totally forgot that there was a night poll.

Alright! A successful double lynch!!
Now to finish my nap.

Oh and I'm breaking the current tie with a no. Cus I think I'm still a low poster. Lol.

Sorsha wrote:
Draconus wrote:I'd still like to know why Juliets, if anyone missed my earlier question. I ended up having to work today, so there won't be much free time
This is what I got after going over her posts:

Sorsha wrote:As Epignosis commands! The bandwagon of Luke stops and the bandwagon of nutella begins! lol j/k :P

I can see the suspicion on both of them. I just looked at Lukes posts and he's been all over the place. Day 1 vote: Tranq for being a low poster. Day 2 vote: sig bandwagon. Day 3 votes: nutella and bug.

I missed that post Typhoony made on nutella until today. I'd be fine with voting for either of these players.

Also noticing that since juliets came under pressure yesterday she's been hopping on the bus to whatever is popular. Yesterday she voted nutella in one of the groups but today initially voted Luke and changed to nutella once the thread direction changed.
Maybe if you just look over her posts yourself, especially her interactions win Epi you'll get a better feel for her. There isn't any one thing I can say about juliets that screams baddie.... It's just the way she changed direction after pressure that is giving me a bad feeling about her.

I'm not 100% on her by any means. I could go for Luke though too I just don't want this to be a runaway vote.

Thank you Sorsha. I did see this post earlier but nothing stood out to me. I will do just that if I have time tonight before the day ends. For now I'll happily keep my vote where it is.

I'd still like to know why Juliets, if anyone missed my earlier question. I ended up having to work today, so there won't be much free time

Sorry for the double post. Moving my vote to Luke temporarily.

Great result!!
So why Juliets?

HamburgerBoy wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Is Luke getting votes because he hasn't been posting?
Pretty much. I'd be fine with Canucklehead or others going too though, but it's a better lynch than nutella. I don't think the switch regarding the lack of nutella votes a couple hours ago is a great point; golden tried very hard to establish a scumteam between the two (and myself) on tenuous evidence and that clearly didn't hold true. People seem to be switching back to her now purely on pressure from Epi; I don't suspect Epi but I do suspect those being pressured, especially Juliets.

Pressure? No pressure felt here. I thought it was a better use of our first lynch than, say, "hey, he's not here, let's kill him."

Thank you to both SVS and Typhoony. That was very helpful. I'm getting more and more uncomfortable with the Luke bandwagon, so I'm moving my vote again. nutella

juliets wrote:I am torn about Luke because he could easily be just an inactive civ like Draconus was asking about or like others have said he could be hiding behind his low posts. Tranq pointed out the few questions Luke asked but there is no digging for info like I would expect from someone who asks questions. There's just not a lot there (though SVS makes a good point that he has posted more than Canuck who voted for him for not being present). Despite some reservations (like this is feeling like a bandwagon) I'm going to go ahead and vote Luke and change my vote if something else comes up that I feel is a better vote.

Thank you for bringing this back up! I don't like this bandwagon that has quickly formed.

S~V~S wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:No time to chat today. Voting Luke for being (essentially) a no-show. Hopefully will be back to chat before lunch 2 tomorrow
I just looked, and Luke actually has more posts than you do

I can see the reason Luke is taking votes~ he is really blendy which catches my eye more than the post count, and might vote for him myself, although I still suspect Nutella for reasons unassociated with Bubbles. And this post has gotten my attention on Canuck, so i am going to reread her, should not take long. That has to be one of the most bandwaggony votes i can recall seeing in some time.

I agree with you completely on Canuck.

But what are these reasons unassociated with Tiny I keep hearing about? I think it was Matt F who said something similar about his nutella suspicion.

Linki: Hi Dom

Yeeeeaaah. I'm okay with my vote at it's current location. I was hoping for something better, but, we do have 2 lynches.

Thank you for elaborating, Golden. I haven't had time to go back and do some reading yet. I will move my vote to Luke for now. Any reason to suspect that Luke is a civ? It seems like it would be a waste to use one of these lynches on an inactive civ. Do you have any suspects, Golden?

Golden wrote:Putting my vote on luke too. For one, to once again try to save sig, the person who continues to be suspected based on a case he is on a team that he is not on. For second, because I do think luke is a good use of a lynch on a day we have two.

Can you elaborate please?

I can be willing to move my vote to Luke until I here more about Sig. Just to be fair.

sig wrote:@Drac look at both kills,Team 2 killed zebra Team 1 tried to kill Bulls obviously the scum agrees with me that one or the other is scum. Or the scum is trying to frame me but honestly that seems like alot of work going after a mediocre player. Why did what I say seem strange? The main reason I could see the mafia teams trying to NK my accusers is because they think one is on the other mafia team. It makes no sense in a set up sort of way since both teams have tried to do this so it is the logical conclusion.

It was your wording. You said "the other scum team agrees with me" without referencing the first scum team. It makes it sound as if you are saying "my team thinks this is a good place to look for such and such. It looks like the other team agrees with us, too." Could have been a typo/miscommunication, but it looked like a slip to me. I get what you are trying to say, though. I'm going to think on this more.

DF! Why did you start voting for Sig in the first place? Is that why you are still voting for him or do you have new reasons?

sig wrote:
Draconus wrote:
sig wrote:
Draconus wrote:Placeholder vote on Bass. Simply because I don't know the other cases yet.

Epi, any pings/cases on those who voted for non-changeable vote option?
What is the case on Bass?

Know the reason I didn't vote for a double lynch was simply, it increases the chances that I could get lynched.
Pretty much mine and Epi's interactions with him recently. I haven't had that much time to catch up, so I am unsure of anything brought up about him prior to Night 3.
Thank you for your explanation. That seems fair. Can I get your viewpoint on why people want you lynched?
For Bass he only recently subbed in so not much information based around voting, posts etc

The reason people have attempted to lynch me is because when Timmer was NK night 1, I said what the mafia was doing (killing low posters) this lead some people to claim I made a scum slip of my teams strategy.
When I defended myself they said I was over reacting and my argument was suspicious.
I myself say it wasn't a scum slip and just the way I worded it. I also believe there is at least one scum maybe two on my wagon and pushing it. I think the other scum team also agrees with me and I say this since yesterday Zebra was killed and today the other team attempted to kill Bull's.
I'm still fairly confident there is one or two scum on my wagon, my personal thoughts is that Bull's is scum many don't agree so I could be wrong. If not Bulls it's very likely one of the others on my day 2 and maybe day 3 wagon is scum.
I'll look into that more myself later.

I don't believe your "killing low posters" comment was any sort of slip. But "the other scum team also agrees with me."

Thank you for your viewpoint. Sorry to do this to you. Switching my vote to Sig. Still could be temporary. I wish I had a Day 3 poll to go off of. I know you didn't get the most votes on D3 and I'd like to know why.

Linki Splints: I was curious about that, too

sig wrote:
Draconus wrote:Placeholder vote on Bass. Simply because I don't know the other cases yet.

Epi, any pings/cases on those who voted for non-changeable vote option?
What is the case on Bass?

Know the reason I didn't vote for a double lynch was simply, it increases the chances that I could get lynched.

Pretty much mine and Epi's interactions with him recently. I haven't had that much time to catch up, so I am unsure of anything brought up about him prior to Night 3.
Thank you for your explanation. That seems fair. Can I get your viewpoint on why people want you lynched?

Anyone save the Night 3 poll? It's not posted yet.

Placeholder vote on Bass. Simply because I don't know the other cases yet.

Epi, any pings/cases on those who voted for non-changeable vote option?

I went ahead and checked. This poll has not been offered before. My questions above still stand.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:When playing as mafia the whole idea behind using a kill is to set a civvie up for the next Lynch. Non changeable votes makes people use there vote and place it somewhere it's going to stick and doesn't allow people to jump all or the place.
Do you have two people you really think that are mafia ? With out a question of a doubt? Can you honestly say that to Lynches can't benefit the mafia too?

If we fuck up, yes, it can benefit the mafia. I acknowledge that. But every lynch in the history of mafia had the opportunity to benefit mafia. Soooo

I do have a question, though. Has this poll been offered before (I'm too busy (lazy) to check) and do you have reason to suspect that it will be offered again in the future? The host could easily give us another night poll with entirely new options. So why waste the opportunity?

More speculating later. For now, work.

Epignosis wrote:So...

the option is on the table to effectively have two Day phases instead of one (as lynches are the civilians' greatest weapon)...

...and people seriously find unchangeable votes the most preferable option?

This is the real reason I voted the way I did. Even before opting to replace in, I found it bizarre that anyone (civilian) would want to go with unchangeable votes against this possibility.

Thank you!

I promise to say more than this ^ Lol.
I guess I'll start by tying the current poll

It just sounds fun.

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