The Syndicate

Yay for no death!

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:27 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:11 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:29 pm Town w/ roles should be looking into either slankers or CWs to root out Maf, Vanillas should be thread hunting.

We don't lynch slankers just yet
Can anyone translate this to old school language?
Idk about old school language, but Falcon is expressing the same sentiment i did earlier; we have a cop, so we should let the cop sort out the inactive players.
Oh, Falcon is also suggesting counterwagons as cop checks, which sure, that is reasonable as well (he said, trying not to let the thread see him sweat)
What do you mean 'cop checks'?
Each night the cop targets someone and the host tells the cop the target's alignment. That is a "cop check"
I think there's a misunderstanding. I know what the role does--what's the relevance of the counterwagon?

They're saying let the cop worry about who the counter wagoner player was. While we, in the thread, should keep hunting.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:24 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 pm OK, fair enough.

Kate, here you go

I assume that's what you were feeling left out of. It was that or an enema.
Thank you for the fishy!

Omg...you do know that is a batman reference? I really don't want to be the enema girl
Oh, batman. Right.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:11 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:29 pm Town w/ roles should be looking into either slankers or CWs to root out Maf, Vanillas should be thread hunting.

We don't lynch slankers just yet
Can anyone translate this to old school language?
Idk about old school language, but Falcon is expressing the same sentiment i did earlier; we have a cop, so we should let the cop sort out the inactive players.
Oh, Falcon is also suggesting counterwagons as cop checks, which sure, that is reasonable as well (he said, trying not to let the thread see him sweat)
What do you mean 'cop checks'?

Read the civ role of town cop.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 pm OK, fair enough.

Kate, here you go

I assume that's what you were feeling left out of. It was that or an enema.

Thank you for the fishy!

Omg...you do know that is a batman reference? I really don't want to be the enema girl

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:18 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:12 pm I always get left out
Don't worry we can be the cascio duo. We'll be the coolest pair

*are

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:15 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:12 pm I always get left out

I wubba u.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:13 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:04 pm and i haven’t even gotten into it with scotty and svs which i certainly will before eod

I will be available for “getting into it” until EOD. And I agree, it’s a super fun players list!

I know I'm having fun!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:11 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:29 pm Town w/ roles should be looking into either slankers or CWs to root out Maf, Vanillas should be thread hunting.

We don't lynch slankers just yet
Can anyone translate this to old school language?
Idk about old school language, but Falcon is expressing the same sentiment i did earlier; we have a cop, so we should let the cop sort out the inactive players.

Ah, thank you.

I always get left out

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:04 pm and i haven’t even gotten into it with scotty and svs which i certainly will before eod

I thought it was scotty and me?

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:44 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:41 pm Lucy is much more obsessed with who is active it isn’t active than she ever was with the twins.
Does this not make sense to anyone else? Like gramatically?

Lucy was at one point obsessed with the twins. She is now obsessed, to a greater degree, with active v. Inactive players.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:29 pm Town w/ roles should be looking into either slankers or CWs to root out Maf, Vanillas should be thread hunting.

We don't lynch slankers just yet

Can anyone translate this to old school language?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:38 pm wigly was more active than fucking roxy but i haven’t read post counts for this statement

Roxy's posts have been substantive though.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 6:28 pm i think kate/scotty holds a wolf

Well get your cold read crystal ball out and let us know asap!

I'm cool with the f bomb. Carry on.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:57 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.

I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.

Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.

Why would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??

I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.

I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
Part of my suspicion of sabi (probably even a decent part) is her handling of seanzie.

The early sus on a post I think is pretty innocuous, followed by tunnelling on him all day, followed by suddenly saying 'this is weird, I'm not sure any more' 30 minutes from EoD when it looked like no counterwagons would eventuate, followed by suspecting him and pushing wilgy voters when he didn't actually die.

Given you still suspect seanzie a bit, I feel like our reasons here are different. I get it's part me and SVS being here, but I'd also like to get more of a sense of your own take on sabi.

Honestly, I'm probably not going to get much chance to address this much better than I did last night. I did read through their posts and went straight to my own post to make sure my vote was in place. I've got a very sick 9 month old and I have about a 45 minute break right now and then I have to go to the dr. I don't have the energy to go back and reassess again.

I do remember off the top of my head that they wanted me to "dome" Sean which I don't like right off the bat when day 2 started. I feel better with my vote here than on Sean right now. I don't think these 2 are teammates so the flip will give us info at least (see what I did there @Scotty )?

I'm also not opposed to a lucy elimination. I could see Sabi and Lucy being teammates. I'll do my best to keep answering questions here and there but I won't be able to formulate big cases or anything today.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:00 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:53 pm So let me get this straight. The new, current meta is that:

1. It's better to lynch a civ on day one then to have no death; and
2. It's town behavior to lynch low posting players rather than wait on that and lynch a player based on the thread and flip clues.

These two "metas" don't seem to reconcile.
1. Uhh... no. It is better to elim a ?? than have no death. If someone was IC, then it'd be better to no-elim, but Wilgy was nowhere close to IC.

2. I don't think this is something that current mafia tactical theory would list without extreme debate on the sunject, so I do not think this is part of the current game meta.

What is IC?

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:22 am Holy fuck my brain is mush reading 1304 posts was a bad idea.

My catch up is town is

Me
SVS
Lucy
Dennis

I also think it's highly more probable than not that Sabi is town here. With that said I will never ever push sabi ever again even if I suspect them but in this case I'm highly comfortable saying I find it more likely that this behavior is indicative of town Sabi.

Also. Always flip the D1 CW

Always.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I mean. I don't think Seanzie is particularly towny anyways but

Brain mush. Good God

More in the ongoing saga of flip a potential civ vs. No death. Neon can you add your thoughts on that meta?

***don't take this to mean that I wish seanzie wasn't eliminated day one over wilgy, I'm still not feeling good about him.

I'm comfortable with the 3 wagons now. Sean/sabi/lucy.

Sorry don't know how I double posted.

So let me get this straight. The new, current meta is that:

1. It's better to lynch a civ on day one then to have no death; and
2. It's town behavior to lynch low posting players rather than wait on that and lynch a player based on the thread and flip clues.

These two "metas" don't seem to reconcile.

So let me get this straight. The new, current meta is that:

1. It's better to lynch a civ on day one then to have no death; and
2. It's town behavior to lynch low posting players rather than wait on that and lynch a player based on the thread and flip clues.

These two "metas" don't seem to reconcile.

Hey scotty did you go to the gym on 11/30? Just curious.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:15 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.

I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.

Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.

Why would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??

I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.

I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine
are you talking to me, or sabi?

Sabi. It's just that it didn't dawn on me until the second time I read it when you quoted it.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:13 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.

I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.

Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.

Why would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??

I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.

I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Except seanzie. Still unsure in him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:00 pm I'm fine with dying, I really am busy with work and real life stuff atm so I can't and don't have the energy to fight for my life.

I request yall to kill Golden and Seanzie next when I do die. Don't kill scotty over some diachomy that doesn't exist.

Anyway have fun the rest of the phase. Have to get back to work.

Why would we kill scotty after you die based on a dichotomy if you were anything but Mafia??

I read your iso and there is little to even comment on.

I trust the people voting here. Therefore, [VOTE: Sabi] aubergine

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:08 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:05 pm Dennis, I should just retire and you can succeed me.

I’ll will you my boombox and chess set
Look at me go mom!!

My big boy

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:40 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:18 pm Ok Kate who do you want to give an enema
I hope everyone gets this reference otherwise I just look like a weirdo.
I get it.

You like enemas. Who doesn’t?

Oh good lord.

I'm going to reread Sabi today. I was in agreement with them yesterday re Sean but it seems people I trust are leaning another way. It probably won't be until I get sick baby and husband to bed.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:03 pm Actually, the more I read Matas' Day One cold reads post, the more I like it.

I don't have any problem with the content of Mata's post. I was concerned with her possibly flying utr. Her more recent post put me more at ease. I'd like to see her stick around.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:44 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:22 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:18 pm Ok Kate who do you want to give an enema
I hope everyone gets this reference otherwise I just look like a weirdo.
I hope they don’t. Much more fun that way

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:11 pm I cannot express how much that:

a) I’m enjoying this game; and
b) so many of your posts are filling me with warm vibes.

Me too. And I'm really glad I have this game right now. Someone, who is very inconsiderate, knowingly exposed the baby to rsv. She started getting symptoms last night and I ended up having to hold her all. Night. Long. Just so she could get some sleep. I'm not pleased.

So I mayormaynot be a little more quiet today, as I'm exhausted and have a sick 9 month old. This thread is definitely keeping a smile on my face though, at least intermittently. And I know that should have been green, but I haven't got the energy.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:28 pm Effective immediately, @Neon is replacing @jack shepherd.

If you wish to vote for Neon, simply vote for jack in the poll.

Welcome neon!

Thanks for giving it a try jack. I love you

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 2:18 pm Ok Kate who do you want to give an enema

I hope everyone gets this reference otherwise I just look like a weirdo.

Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:13 pm im back and caught up. I apologize to G-man and players for missing the vote. This is not a great time of year for me, and unpleasantness in the thread yesterday just made me want to walk away for a bit.
However, new day. I’m going to address what I saw that refers to me, and then I have to go and do real life. Before I left, I also thought about the tie option as a way to prevent a possible civ kill. It’s never easy to be absolutely sure someone is bad on the first day, and I liked that option. I posted my d1 thoughts yesterday, and if I had to vote according to the list, it would have been Sabi, for the reasons I listed. But I wouldn’t have been hardcore certain about it, and after playing catch-up this morning, I would have been less certain, had I been here. I would have preferred the tie.
Im still seeing civ Golden, in regards to his OG call. Posts 480 to 486 (I think) are where I saw the civ Golden.
@kate hi. Im here. Didja miss me?
@SVS you might have to move me to the top of your list, based on my hand? Hand won’t be completely normal for a couple more months, but it’s healing well, and I can type. I stepped away for other reasons my list yesterday was just things I noticed that I felt were worth keeping an eye on. I’ve rarely ever had strong feelings about players on day 1. It’s usually day 3 before I start getting deep suspicions against players. But maybe I’ll see things today that I don’t like, if I do, I’ll comment.
@Roxy hiya! I explained my bad behavior above. It’s not an excuse, but I did what I had to do
I’ll be around today as much as possible, because playing catch up is mental overload.

I think you know I did

and I'm glad you're back!

This thread needs an enema.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:45 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:42 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:40 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.
You haven't played in years.
What's that supposed to mean?
To be fair, I haven’t been going to the gym
Yea your game seems way off
My game design theory, however, is still ace. And a 5/6 chance of a miselim does not seem worth the immediate certainty of knowing the faction of the flip. If that had ended tied I would have felt quite comfortable that both Sean and wilgy were more likely town than not on the basis of how the day developed.

Sorry, my post should have been in orange

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:40 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.
You haven't played in years.
What's that supposed to mean?
To be fair, I haven’t been going to the gym

Yea your game seems way off

I realllly miss linki.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)
which side of the fence do you fall on?

Good question. Dennis?

Plus it's not that we'd have NO info, we'd have less.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

I praise thee, stool pigeon.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.
You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:17 am I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

I agree that he absolutely can and did, in fact, make his own decision.

You can't imagine a world where a mafia team might help a teammate who is 14 and a first time player? I'm not sure what you're saying here exactly.

I don't think he's mafia, we are agreeing.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.
let him do what?
Voted to push a civ over the edge.
this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence
Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.
I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

Threatening to do it and actually doing it are two VERY different things.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am not like they were well thought out with other players
D:

I'm just saying you seemed to make a spur of the moment decision under time pressure.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:03 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.
With two teammates this assumes they were around at eod. But I do think Dennis’s vote looks fairly good. Even without coaching, I doubt first time mafia wants that kind of attention.

Not necessarily, they would have discussed it earlier or at some point. And I agree he looks civ.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.
let him do what?
Voted to push a civ over the edge.
this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?
I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.
let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

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