The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

Kate wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Yeah except all your "groups" are still based upon the "fact" that I voted for droopy, when I voted vompatti on day 3 and 4

Take it up with FH, it's her voting order. Given that you voted Vomp for 3 and 4, It really does not change much as you are one of the outliers.

If you are going to do a fact based analysis you should do your own fact finding. Fh is probably the last person I'd trust to do that for you.

In this game, at least...

DharmaHelper wrote:So if you want my opinion, LT's "OMGWTFNOWAI" response to my posts pinged me. There, you have my opinion.

Also FH is a noob.

DharmaHelper wrote:Wait no you're not an outlier, Truth is.

Well in that case the Kate/Boats/Aces connection is the most interesting assuming that it's still accurate.

DharmaHelper wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Yeah except all your "groups" are still based upon the "fact" that I voted for droopy, when I voted vompatti on day 3 and 4

Take it up with FH, it's her voting order. Given that you voted Vomp for 3 and 4, It really does not change much as you are one of the outliers.

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Dom wrote:
I disagree entirely with everything you've said regarding me, the analysis, and just about everything. I don't see how you can logically call two days of voting, and checking for patterns in those votes an "invalid" form of discussion. Nor do I see how it's "hardly anything." Nor do I see how it's "lead nowhere" (as at least LT's LOLOMGNOWAI response is certainly noteworthy.) Nor do I see how I am throwing anything at the wall (as I've only just presented data for interpretation).

So again, I think you're incredibly wrong. on a massive, if not monumental scale.

Maybe I read your post incorrectly
Your analysis to me was a string of unconnected thoughts that others guessed what it meant and then you briefly and vaguely explained. I don't see what you're really trying to say. It seems to me you're saying a lot of nothing in hopes someone will make something of it and run with it.

I don't see how they were unconnected. I labeled them, explained it after I posted, etc etc. I don't see again how two days of vote analysis is nothing. I don't see how I was vague in my explanation, seeing as I took a full big ass post to explain it after my smaller post explaining it. I don't see how presenting information in the hopes that someone will see something strange and create a case with it is odd.

I'm just not seeing how anything you're saying translates to odd.

"LT, Aces Boats.
The Truth, Trice, Rabbit
Trice, FH, Rabbit
Aces, Kate
Kate, Boats

LT is in a Group with Aces, and Boats (1 Group Total)
Aces is in a group with Boats, LT, and Kate (2 Groups Total)
Boats is in a Group with Aces, LT, and Kate (2 Groups Total)
The Truth is in a Group with Rabbit and FH (1 Group Total)
Trice is in a group with Rabbit, Truth and FH (2 Groups Total)
FH is in a group with Trice and Rabbit (1 Group Total)
Rabbit is in a group with FH, the Truth, and Trice (2 Groups Total)


Aces and Boats both appear in a group with Kate
Trice and Rabbit appear in 2 groups together (one with FH, one with The Truth)"

Seems pretty unconnected and vague to me
That's literally what yo usaid
That's confusing
DH, this is going no whereI think your post was spaghetti throwing. I had no idea what you were talking about when you posted that but you seemed to think everyone should. That made me think you were hoping that someone would see something and run with it. I still don't really understand what this list was supposed to be.


linki
and istill have no idea what you're talking about with your venn diagrams

juliets wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did in 70s and in Enchanted Forest. I made up statistics, a,ll kkindsa crazy crap, lol. I also did something similar to Tranq & Typh on the first ACTA, making up ratios of post to content, lol.

Maybe not to this extent, but that is what it looks like nevertheless~

I am inclined to trust, and if he's wrong we'll kill him. Civ or bad, I can't see him going to this length unless he's pretty sure.

SVS, when you say pretty sure, pretty sure about what? INH isn't in this data that I can see.

S~V~S wrote:I dunno, when I have info, or think I do, and can't find areal case, I flood the thread with data hoping a pattern emeges to someone. This is the kind of bizarre post I make in that situation. DH has been sounding frustratted and reasonably sincere, if snarkish, to me.

He has been screaming "INH!!!!!" For days, I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt

rabbit8 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:I 2nd Kate's question, DH, what is your analysis supposed to imply?

Umm...

It implies what it says, those people in the groups voted within one vote of each other both for the Droopy and for the Vomp votes.

I dunno what was confusing about that but there you go.

While I'm talking about it, here is some further analysis.


LT, Aces Boats.
The Truth, Trice, Rabbit
Trice, FH, Rabbit
Aces, Kate
Kate, Boats

LT is in a Group with Aces, and Boats (1 Group Total)
Aces is in a group with Boats, LT, and Kate (2 Groups Total)
Boats is in a Group with Aces, LT, and Kate (2 Groups Total)
The Truth is in a Group with Rabbit and FH (1 Group Total)
Trice is in a group with Rabbit, Truth and FH (2 Groups Total)
FH is in a group with Trice and Rabbit (1 Group Total)
Rabbit is in a group with FH, the Truth, and Trice (2 Groups Total)


Aces and Boats both appear in a group with Kate
Trice and Rabbit appear in 2 groups together (one with FH, one with The Truth)

Can't tell if serious?

Kate wrote:I dont understand you Analysis section and what it is supposed to imply.

Wait, didn't we say earlier today that CBK and chaindeath voted Rabbit? What am I mixing up?

DharmaHelper wrote:INH.

Pursuing legitimate thought and sheep voting are two different things, not sure how that's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm sure you'll elaborate though.

Kate wrote:Based on this alone, FH, I would say CBK is the most deserving of a reread.

chaindeath wrote:

chaindeath wrote:This Mafia thing is harder than chaindeath thought that it would be... Oh well, that's what makes it fun right?

Two people have died. chaindeath hopes that they (being axxon and Illyria, as last time he got in trouble for posting without saying names) have a good time in Sovngrade if you people were good, if not he banishes you to the Soul Cairn. (A Skyrim referance for those who do not know )

In regards to the rabbit vote, he honestly just chose someone who had votes to their name. He was not trying to take focus away from bea, just not experienced with this game, was a little overwhelmed at the time of voting, and to be honest he guessed. He is deeply sorry.

Chaindeath will now attempt a joke to lighten the mood! "My, my birdwithteeth11 you have four and one half eyes to watch people with? So wouldn't you have to be partly or mostly Omniscient? Baddie???" Get it? Because he's watching many people at once? Go here to see the face chaindeath makes when he asks you this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/ori ... /moray.jpg Without this picture he is positive the joke will be lost.

He is also not sure if it really matters but he would like to point out the sentence that droopy posted: "We need to get some of these non-posters out of the way...I'm getting bored with them." If droopy was a civi wouldn't he want as many people to be with him as possible? Even if they didn't post? This struck chaindeath as odd.

Chaindeath acknowledges S~v~S's rquest for more information regarding his vote toward rabbit8, he directs your attention to the highlighted section above.

DH, chaindeath wishes to know what this "snarkfest" is that you mentioned.

On to the discussion of who to lynch. Chaindeath does not have any theories, and he will likely go with the majority. His brain has not been fully immersed for this day in Avant-Garde history.

P.S. Chaindeath wishes to express displeasure. He doesn't enjoy being referenced in the third person in first person posts(AKA posts that everyone else makes). Where as he does it on a regular basis, it makes you all look silly. However, he would like to make it known that references made in the second person point-of-view is acceptable.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS is making me feel icky.

Then my work here is done~

MovingPictures07 wrote: has been added.

The civvies shall surely win, now!

Can I just have my banner now?

juliets wrote:Just an update, I am now reading in Day 3 so I feel like I've made a lot of progress and I still hope to catch up to everyone tonight. A couple of observations, and I know I haven't read everything so forgive me if i say something that has since been proven "not an issue".

One thing is Vompatti's (did i spell that right?)vote for rabbit with the reason "personal reasons". I have never in all my mafia days seen a post that said "personal reasons" and it immediately made me thing something was up. One thing I thought about was maybe they have bts and had a fight and Vompatti has taken it to the thread but since something similar happened in another Sock game I feel sure MP would have swooped down and the consequences for Vompatti would have been dire - like modkill. Since that didn't happen, it leaves me with a serious ?. I've not explored in the roles the forced vote option but usually people just vote without a reason or make up something plausible but not real strong as a reason - like rabbit's "aggressiveness". So I'm strongly pinged by that vote reason.

Secondly, if you think Kate is a civv then listen to her where SVS is concerned. She can read her like a book, and though I'm glad to finally know those "tells" I will kick Kate (kicks Kate) for telling SVS about them before rabbit's game starting! Now she knows Kate, when I was hoping to get you to tell me between games! I'm serious though folks about kate knowing SVS.

And just a small thing, I always see aggressive rabbit as civv rabbit.

Ok so I'll go back to reading now though I'm approaching crosseyed (great posts MP).

Sorry for such a long post. And hey! Where's my smiley? LT knows which one it is, lol.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote: Come out, come out, wherever you are.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath doesn't have the mental capacity to read through all of these night posts, just donated plasma and his brain is kinda shot. Can someone sum everything up for him?

reywaS wrote:Perhaps INH KNOWS that there is such a role.

Kate wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

reywaS wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:RIPIWG Droopy, I still think that he could be bad, but that's just a theory.

Please share this theory. Theories are good.

He could have a role that shows up as good when checked/voted out.

Well this is maybe thought provoking. Is there such a role? Let me check. BRB.

insertnamehere wrote:

reywaS wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:RIPIWG Droopy, I still think that he could be bad, but that's just a theory.

Please share this theory. Theories are good.

He could have a role that shows up as good when checked/voted out.

Vompatti wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

The Truth wrote:Honestly, Vomps is acting a little strange it seems.

I'm sorry, it won't happen again.

Yep, correcting your behavior when it gets pointed out to you isn't a baddie attempt at blending

Fine, I'll correct it back then.

Orange wut?

S~V~S wrote:

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:With the recent trend (excluding bea), I think it would be more effective if we were to place our suspicion on those suspecting people. Of course, this makes me guilty, but I think some people are pulling our stings.

In all fairness, Droopy really did sound coached. I know that there is civ BTS in this game, and that Cap'n Beefheart is one of the roles with potential for it. I guess it is possible that Zappa found him already. Although the coached sounding things Droopy was saying were baddie sounding things, lol, things I don't see a civvie partner couching him to say.

I will say that with more experience under his belt, Droopy will be an awesome player (Leech as well), he had me wondering at the end; I hope he keeps playing. Sometimes if you are convinced someone is bad (and I was convinced he was bad, and since there was no question he would be lynched, I voted for the other person i am pretty convinced was bad, Vomp) it can be easy to read everything they say in that light. It is a common mistake, and i don;t really suspect anyone for doing it in this case.

Unless there is an outing or some astonishing development, I intend on voting for Vomp. When I reread Day One (something I would advise doing) I realized i had forgotten how suspicious Vomp really was during Day One. And the fact that there was this incredibly suspicious character that seemed to be everyones second choice for a lynch floating around when Bea needed saving, and that the Residents did not try to lynch him, but Rabbit instead who is not an easy person to lynch, really makes me think he is quite possibly a Resident himself.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Aww maaaaaaaaaan. I love Captain Beefheart, so it makes me sad to know that Droopy was him. RIP Droopy.

I suspect I am going to have to look elsewhere for upcoming lynches. Also, since I will be out most of tomorrow with the gf and her family, I think our Sockian host should go ahead and award me one of the 3 participation prizes. Just sayin'.

"elsewhere" as in "not the guy we already killed" ? Good idea

I'm just gonna be voting vompatti again, unless he NKs me first

insertnamehere wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.

Dunno, as I said I'm not quite willing to buy into the impending Droopwagon, probably exclusively because you seem so determined to get people on board.

DH, Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:"For Fun" or Overboard defending? :P

FH voted for me...I'm not sure why there's any defending at all.

I'm not sure I understand this post. Why wouldn't FH want to defend herself? I like you Drooper. I can't wait to find out your role.

I am now voting for Drooper

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:"For Fun" or Overboard defending? :P

FH voted for me...I'm not sure why there's any defending at all.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:

Kate wrote:

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:If I get lynched, there will be deep remorse from my fellow civvies. If I don't get lynched, I'll probably be NK'ed because I'm telling you I'm a civvie.

I agree with a lot of what you all are saying actually...these people who are so eager to vote with me or at least not against me are making me weary. I look like I'm an open teammate of theirs-I would vote for me based on the way they're talking. This is really screwing me over, whether they're doing it on purpose or not. I'm not bad! Stupid horse!

Wary.

Sorry, I can't help it.

I meant weary...they're making me tired.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:If I get lynched, there will be deep remorse from my fellow civvies. If I don't get lynched, I'll probably be NK'ed because I'm telling you I'm a civvie.

I agree with a lot of what you all are saying actually...these people who are so eager to vote with me or at least not against me are making me weary. I look like I'm an open teammate of theirs-I would vote for me based on the way they're talking. This is really screwing me over, whether they're doing it on purpose or not. I'm not bad! Stupid horse!

AceofSpaces wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Haha, I actually totally see where you're coming from about the way I'm feeling wishy-washy about Mr. Droopy, Aces. But I am never 100% certain (unless I have information).

I could probably go back through many games and pull quotes of myself being "unsure" about a player's alignment while being civvie myself.

I feel like there's enough points of evidence to support Mr. Droopy being a baddie. The tiny part in my brain that is uncertain is knowing this is his first game ever and that we may be seeing a true case of a newbie civvie freakout.

But meh, I've been discussing this all day. Gonna put my vote where my mouth is and *vote Mr. Droopy*

It is one thing to not be 100% certain, and another to make sure everyone knows you are not 100% certain. Again, not saying your bad. I'm just going to be keeping a closer eye on you from now on.

Has DH said anything about Drooper or Vomp? I might have missed that.

Added @ Kate: I've seen it in games with both one and two mafias. Her wishy washy statement covers her in both scenarios. If Droopy is bad, she gets to say "I knew it" if he is good she gets to point back and say "See, I had my doubts."

AceofSpaces wrote:Ok I am caught up, and ready to post at least once today. Maybe I can get into the double digits, who knows.

Flyin' High wrote:Ugh I'm torn! My initial thoughts upon reading the recent slate of Mr. Droopy's posts is "Baddie! Baddie over here!" But with his further explanation part of me does wonder if he's simply an overexcited civvie who's completely new to the game.
I had the same reaction to BWT's post that rey did--seems like BWT is saying that Mr. Droopy's behavior was like BWT in his first couple of games when he was a civvie, but then still wants to vote him? I'm confused.

I'm having a difficult time getting a read on chaindeath because his posts are so zany--I am getting a good kick out of his style!

Have we heard from Captain Bunny Killer on her vote for rabbit, yet? I need to look back again.

I've read the case on Droopy, it makes sense to me. What catches my eye is this post from FH. I've seen this done by baddies before. The classic, "Oh I don't know, he could be a baddie, but I'm just not sure" thing. It is a way for the real baddies to cover their ass when a civie gets lynched. I'm not saying FH is a baddie, just that his made such an impression on me that I actually quoted it. I don't quote very often. If Droopy does turn out to be a civie, I will be looking at FH.

I've also seen The Truth post some things like "This is all confusing", which is another word baddies like to use so they don't have to pick a side. Just saying, those things make me pay attention.

Vomp's vote is a bit odd, especially after someone said that if baddies voted for rabbit to try and save Bea, then they wouldn't vote for him today. He could very well be Droopys teammate.

Kate wrote:Ok just looked. Seven (7) SEVEN posts in three days?

Ace, look alive man!

Eight now! I'm getting better!

Also, I will most likely be voting for Droopy.

DharmaHelper wrote:In fact now I'm very certain I'm not going to be voting Droopy today, if we're wheeling out the "Vote Droopy or you're a Baddie" posters. Never really been one to follow "Dear Leader"


Of course he could be a baddie, but as the song goes, he's not the only one.

So, as it stands I'll be voting INH.

DharmaHelper wrote:See, there's that incredible agressiveness again. "either you're with me or you're against me" stuff, and that sort of "Vote Droopy or you're his teammate" stuff does not fly in Dharmaville baby.

DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.

Dunno, as I said I'm not quite willing to buy into the impending Droopwagon, probably exclusively because you seem so determined to get people on board.

DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe I'm just put off by how incredibly agressive you've been all game, but I am hesitant to trust anything you say as genuine in nature. You seem to be very strong arm-ish, which I usually associate with baddies.

Dunno, as I said I'm not quite willing to buy into the impending Droopwagon, probably exclusively because you seem so determined to get people on board.

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright, Kate, seriously? Your big ping about Droopy is "he never said he WASN'T a baddie!!!" ??

I've not said "I am a civvie" all game, doesn't mean I'm not a civvie.

I'm still locked in on either Rabbit or INH, but for this lynch I'm leaning on voting INH...

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright, Kate, seriously? Your big ping about Droopy is "he never said he WASN'T a baddie!!!" ??

I've not said "I am a civvie" all game, doesn't mean I'm not a civvie.

I'm still locked in on either Rabbit or INH, but for this lynch I'm leaning on voting INH...

Vompatti wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Vompatti, what's your opinion on Mr. Droopy?

I've noticed you've stayed completely away from that discussion.

Yes, I would like to hear this as well.

I think Droopy is just being silly. That doesn't necessarily mean he's not a baddie though.