The Syndicate

Matahari wrote:Thanks daisy! I can't remember for sure, but I think devin might have been the only person I tried to kill twice. I'm not sure, maybe I tried someone else twice, but I can't remember. Who kept blocking me with bees?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Kate wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Would you kindly pour me a drink?

OMG! CUTEST AVATARRRRRRRR!!!

thanks. i thought it was time to move on from angry wet owl

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Would you kindly pour me a drink?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Regarding looting, I haven't ignored any requests, but I can't address them until I get my spreadsheet back, sorry.

Kate wrote:Mp, will you tell us if a team is eliminated?

No.

Matahari wrote:It worries me that we're talking of spreading the votes out so much. I have trusted nev somewhat this game, but I'm wondering about the aces vote.

Kate, yesterday you said that you would consider an aces vote next. What changed your mind?

Epignosis wrote:Our flipping bus broke down or something. We're at a ridiculously crowded McDonald's (but there is wifi). I think they may have it sorted out.

I doubt I will be able to vote before the deadline. My vote is going to DP. His contributions have been flippant and limited. Now that alone would not convince me to vote for him, but then I came upon this exchange early on in the posting contest:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 788#p25788

Flyin' High wrote:One idea I had for trying to find a LMSer is to go back through posts and see who seemed sure DH was a civvie early in the game. With the exception of the Security Bots, the splicers all knew DH's identity as Andrew Ryan. So if anyone seemed extra certain that DH was a civvie early on, then they might be likely to be an LMSer.

Nevinera wrote:

Kate wrote: So, you think she's bad, you mentioned earlier that you *cough* thought *cough* she was bad, and since I voted for her I should be looked at?

If you want to kill one of the remaining civs, that's a fabulous idea. I've made it pretty clear that I thought she was bad since way back at the Bea lynch, like day 7? So is it really all that surprising that I'm ready to vote for her?

I'd be happy to look at Aces tomorrow, as I have also said a few times before.

I mentioned specifically that I had earlier thought she was bad for what I figured out later was an inconclusive reason.
I don't feel I can make that much more specific, but I am not certain of any of the remaining roles at all.

AceofSpaces wrote: FH actually took the time to look up post and make a case, presenting evidence. I thought it was compelling. I voted to support it. Not sure how that is a bad thing to do. In fact, it is pretty damn consistent with what I've been saying forever now. I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point. Your sudden turn around on Mongoose is what freaks me out.

I haven't turned around at all. I still find her one of the better suspects for the lynch, and I'm wavering between her and you.
Your early eager vote does not scream 'civ' at me, but I also find FH's case fairly solid.

I'll vote Mongoose too, since it doesn't appear to matter anymore, and everybody is so impatient.

Nevinera wrote:That was odd. Aren't we still a day early?
Big case against Mongoose (compelling, admittedly) and then boom, boom, boom, three early votes against her.

I really doubt she's on Team Adam, but I think the odds are decent that she's a Ryaner..
But this smacks to me of people wanting a quick lynch to whittle down the competition;
constructing a bandwagon and then riding it.

I'm still deciding behind mongoose and Ace, but I think we should take a hard look at Kate, Ace, and FH for this sudden flocking vote.
I particularly see this is a big 'someone else' vote by Aces, trying to keep the wagon rolling.

Matahari wrote:Thank you for the case building fh! My vote is probably going that way today, because mongoose was one of the five players I had been watching originally, due to voting patterns and subtle supporting of each other in the thread.

Epignosis wrote:I've been keeping up (trying to), but nothing has stood out to me as it has before. I will try to look at some posts in context with the polls and maybe something will.

I have an idea for these people who want to improve education: Get the students Mafia accounts and have them participate in a few games.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Nevinera wrote:

Dom wrote: Why are you suspecting Mongoose now?

I'm not, particularly.

It came up, and I remembered that I was one of those who had seemed pretty confident and voted for her rez.
If I had to vote in a vacuum tomorrow, I'd lean toward Aces over Mongoose because of the strange reaction to my info dump.

(I follow your line of thought Aces, but if it were me I'd scowl and then reach eagerly for the vote button.
I certainly wouldn't think "well, she's probably a baddie, but it might be *unfair* to vote for her").

I just didn't want anyone passing on Mongoose because I thought she was good :-\

Strange reaction? Because I didn't believe you right away? I've already made it clear I vote based on evidence and facts. If someone takes an infodump in the thread I am not going to take kindly to it, and I sure as hell am not going to take your word for it right away. I only took your information seriously when it became painfully obvious who you were and what you were doing.

I'm a civie. I have played this game civie all the way through. If you look back you will see that.

Dom wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Does anyone know roughly how many baddies/rogues we have circulating out there right now?

OK
Here's my two cents.

I believe Tanenbaum to be alive, unless Boomslang was Tanenbaum. We know that both Big Daddies were alive as of night 8. However, in that blood bath, perhaps one of them died. We lynched a Little Sister and I don't think the other one is dead. It could be. So let's count that as a half. JAck? I can't remember if he's dead? Last I heard, he wasn't. So, that's 4-ish baddies? Which is pretty bad considering we have 11 people in teh game and still have rogues.

All of Fontaine's crew is dead.
We've discussed who Cohen might be... I think his dancers might be dead given they have no protection. But Cohen, as long as he doesn't receive votes, is not a threat per say... only a liability if he decides he'd rather play with the baddies.

Andrew Ryan is dead. Spider Splicer is likely dead considering we haven't seen a kill from it in a while (never).
Of the Ledhead, Thuggish, Houdini, Nitro Splicers... I'm thinking two to three of them are dead. That blood bath was bloody, and those people were suspicious as hell. Not for sure or anything, but some of them were definitely part of this group. If not, perhaps security bots, of which we only have two confirmed deaths for. I think more than that are dead, through NKs and incinerations (what is that anyway???). Let's say there's 2 SBs alive. Let's also say 2 spicers. That's 4. Combined with the other four baddies, that's eight. Plus Cohen. 9. Two civvies if this is reliable. Of course, my numbers are pure guesses, but I think we should have these discussions. We have to think about who to lynch and who they might be.

Don't quote me on these numbers. I'm not trying to scare anyone. Things could be better or worse! I don't know. But this is what I do know. My role doesn't let me gather any information at all, so this is based on a spreadsheet I just made and educated guesses.

Kate, who are you looking at? Do you think Mongoose is as civvie as we used to given the poll? What about Aces?

DAY 9


Who is a killer?

Poll ended at Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:23 pm


AceofSpaces
0
No votes

Boomslang
0
No votes

Devin the Omniscient
0
No votes

DisgruntledPorcupine
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Epignosis
0
No votes

Flyin' High
0
No votes

Hedgeowl
7
Nevinera (7), Matahari (10), Devin the Omniscient (11), Flyin' High (13), Epignosis (15), Dom (16), AceofSpaces (18) 39%

Kate
0
No votes

Matahari
0
No votes

Mongoose
0
No votes

Nevinera
3
Boomslang (8), Hedgeowl (14), Mongoose (17) 17%

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

>SpaghettiEverywhere
0
No votes

That damned host!!! (deadies, non-players, host)
8
MovingPictures07 (1), S~V~S (2), Lizzy (3), nutella (4), insertnamehere (5), birdwithteeth11 (6), Snow Dog (9), Bullzeye (12) 44%
Total votes : 18

Missed the vote: DisgruntledPorcupine, Kate, >SpaghettiEverywhere, Spacedaisy

Mongoose wrote:Does anyone know roughly how many baddies/rogues we have circulating out there right now?

indiglo wrote:I wonder if SE #5 has a lynch block or switch, will the lynch then slip over to SE #1? This is going to be a nail biter for sure!

AceofSpaces wrote:

Kate wrote:Nev is reading as genuine to me and we think we know he is, I think we should keep him around as long as we can.

Aces, an alliance is not a horrible idea. We all have targets on our back at this point and those who refuse to vote with the "civs" may show who is not one. After what happened last night we are all likely to get attacked to it anyway. Might as well give it our best shot while we have a chance to.

I'm inclined to trust nev.

"Refuse to vote with the 'civs'"? Really? I don't know you from a hole in the ground, Kate. Not only am I supposed to trust your vote, but now if I *don't* vote your way I'm automatically not a civ? WOAH.

The problem with a "civ" alliance is that there is no way to prove you are a civie, and on top of that there is no way to prove your vote is any more on key than any other vote. You know who this "civ" alliance would benefit most, Kate? Team Adam. Those big daddies are really only vulnerable to lynches, so if they were to form a voting block like this "civ alliance" where they could all vouch for each other and then claim anyone who doesn't vote with them is a baddie, then they could coast to the end of the game.

So, that is why your idea is super flawed and super suspicious.

Probably going to vote for you later.

Nevinera wrote:I'm not sure what you think is a slip-up.
Drawing attention to myself probably was?

It hardly matters though, you don't need to convince the civs to vote for me,
you need to convince the other LMS folks to do so.
I'm not just a civ, I'm seriously no threat to anyone now.
All I've got is data, and its pretty useless data after last night.
I can tell you the roles of three of the dead folks, and I can point out two individuals as members of Ryan's army,
But since there is effectively no longer an alliance of civs trying to lynch the baddie threat
(instead, there is a mob of LMS players trying to lynch the ones most likely to kill them),
None of my info is remotely useful.

Dom wrote:I don't like the doom and gloom attitudes we have going... :/ I think they're not very inductive for good healthy discussion.

Does anyone have any ideas as to where to look? I'm a little wary of Kate, I guess, because of who she replaced. I'd like to hear more from both SpaceDaisy and Matahari. Especially Mata since I forgot she was playing!

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Wow. Hell of a night.

Boomslang wrote:Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

Dom wrote:I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Interesting that instead of questioning why I consider you a suspect again, you try to paint me a little black... NOT what you were doing before...

Like I said, I think that he could be in the new group of baddies/rogues.

First off you're still wrong about me, I'm not bad or independent. I threw out my little observation about your second opinion change to see how you'd react, I did pretty much know why you'd laid off and why you started again but I wanted confirmation of that as well. I kinda have tried to 'paint you black' before as well. Your name was in the list of people I find suspicious that I gave to Bea, I'm sure you can remember the one I mean. I've never actually claimed to trust you and do think there's a possibility of you not being pro-civvie (especially now we've got a bunch of new indies) but I think others need to be dealt with first. I'm going to look back into this movement that's building against Bea but if I don't vote her I'll vote INH.

Matahari wrote:My RL has taken a dive again. I've skimmed, and it looks like I'll still be voting Bea, but after 7 tonight, I should have more time to read up and make my vote.

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

I agree. I find Bea to be sincere and candid in her posts. She's been frank with us.

Let's hope we survive the night!

Matahari wrote:Kate- I'm going to answer this really quickly, as I'm on my way to pick up my father and bring him home from hospital! Yay! So it will be later today before I get back into the game-

Candie, definitely! I thought I answered yesterday about the Grimms comparison, but I may have just been thinking of answering. RL was hectic. Yes, the comparisons sound dead on correct, and I'll probably be voting Bea today as well, but will post longer, later.

Mongoose wrote:

Kate wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Kate wrote:OK so Bea comes back after Indi and I make a pretty large case on her and votes for civ. Then comes back again, and doesn't even mention that case (or Daisy's) and just ignores all mention of her and no one thinks that's odd?

Not to mention, Indi is suddenly dead?

My vote will be going to bea today.

^This, so much this! I get that Indi's death is by a civ (now gone rogue) as far as the post reads, but all the splicers and security bots just went rogue. So let's assume that Indi was wrong about Bea and she was a splicer, well now she is a rogue SK, correct? That is assuming she was wrong about Bea, which I am not convinced is true. I am likely putting my vote there today as well, because the chances seem pretty good that miss Bea has a kill now even if she did not before...

I don't know what's up with Bea either way, but wouldn't that be a little obvious for Bea to do that? I mean someone picked up on that almost immediately. I don't know if someone would frame her (or would have the foresight to do so), but it's not like Bea 2.0 hasn't been constantly as suspect since her debut. Killing off indi would be a good move for the baddies because they'd know we'd likely jump on the Bea-train asap.

How sorry are you going to be that you keep belittling this case by calling it a Bea-Train when/if she flips baddie?

I just call it that because it's catchy. You know, like A-Train. I'm not belittling it as much as being skeptical. Which honestly, I think we can use in this game considering how many civs we've already wrongfully lynched.

Mongoose wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Kate wrote:OK so Bea comes back after Indi and I make a pretty large case on her and votes for civ. Then comes back again, and doesn't even mention that case (or Daisy's) and just ignores all mention of her and no one thinks that's odd?

Not to mention, Indi is suddenly dead?

My vote will be going to bea today.

^This, so much this! I get that Indi's death is by a civ (now gone rogue) as far as the post reads, but all the splicers and security bots just went rogue. So let's assume that Indi was wrong about Bea and she was a splicer, well now she is a rogue SK, correct? That is assuming she was wrong about Bea, which I am not convinced is true. I am likely putting my vote there today as well, because the chances seem pretty good that miss Bea has a kill now even if she did not before...

I don't know what's up with Bea either way, but wouldn't that be a little obvious for Bea to do that? I mean someone picked up on that almost immediately. I don't know if someone would frame her (or would have the foresight to do so), but it's not like Bea 2.0 hasn't been constantly as suspect since her debut. Killing off indi would be a good move for the baddies because they'd know we'd likely jump on the Bea-train asap.