The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:17 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:15 pm TOWN FUCKING WINS BABY ARE U SEEING WHAT IM SEEING?!!??! ARE U LOOKIGN AT WHAT IM LOOKING?! YEAH THATS RIGHT BITCH

TOWN

FUCKING

WINS

LET ME SAY ITAGAIN

TOWN. FUCKING. WINS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Nice avatar.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 6:00 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:58 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:50 pm Or we could vote in either Belzy or Porscha. A wolf in there still makes significantly more sense than you two still.

I don't think belzy is bad. I'm horrible at reading porscha but nothing is jumping off the page

Do you have any significant thoughts on the crosses I did?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:50 pm Or we could vote in either Belzy or Porscha. A wolf in there still makes significantly more sense than you two still.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:53 pm Kate goat thats why im sheeping kate goat

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:32 pm Had second thoughts and I'm going a bit haywire.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:47 pm I’m voting [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Seeing Wilgy lay it out was more convincing for me than it was for him. But then I thought from the start of this day that it was super fucking weird that tutuu went to voting me after locking me town all Day 1. Looking at tutuu’s treatment of HK, and vice versa (which Wilgy treats like pocketing, but looking at both sides, I am not sure I believe that personally) I’m comfortable with a vote there.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:26 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:57 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:49 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:47 pm Wilg made a very good case on me, based on d1, I look really bad. On d2 I was willing to lynch HK tho and tried to get the attention back to him. I hope Porscha is wolf and we lynch here.

I am at the point to do something I have never done in a game - sheeping.
I am going to sheep Wigly this day until I can feel this game again.

Why not sheep Kate? She was right on hkatt mafia

I mean...personally I would since she did great with the HK read...if she wasn't on me the entire time.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 2:07 pm @Kate do you have an explanation of your Lime Coke scumread somewhere or are we just trusting you to pop off again like in summer sh*t

I think I would be plenty happy with Lime Coke/Belzy as today's wagons

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:32 pm Okay so Kate is town, right?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:30 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:17 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:16 pm Reskimmed Caitlin and I disapprove of this wagon still.

Caitlin had a very towny d1 and what bit of content we got d2 seems like it's coming from a town perspective. The bad Falcon vote is wrong, but understandable.

Hollowkatt? Diet coke?

Okay now THAT'S crossing the line!

I don't drink diet, dammit!

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:11 pm @falcon45ca I also had the same tinfoil on kate / HK w/w

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:54 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:51 pm THIS IS GENUINELY ONE OF THE MOST HUMILIATING MOMENTS OF MY LIFE. I REALLY NEED TO USE THAT FOR 2 WEEKS>??

Yes. At least.

And you'll always be a baby

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:53 pm All around me are familiar faces
Worn out places, worn out faces

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:51 pm THIS IS GENUINELY ONE OF THE MOST HUMILIATING MOMENTS OF MY LIFE. I REALLY NEED TO USE THAT FOR 2 WEEKS>??

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:26 pm I went and red what happened before the mod announcement and I am surprised that both splints and I immediately sensed a civ tone in Kate, but roxy doesn’t? I think splints is town because she made the flip on Kate before this reveal of hk’s alignment. I doubt I would have caught hk personally. I just don’t know them.

I’m struggling now with Roxy having not seen civ Kate. Kate still believes her civ though. @Kate can you give me clarity why you read Rox as town?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:52 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:05 pm id go for LC > wilgy > falcon > pyxxy for my solve

distracted so gonna dip but honestly not sure I scumread Lime Coke any more with these reveals

wilgy is like, would he really do that? given theoretically hk flips at some point, since it's a D1 decision at that point

falcon seems to be consensus town falcon

and I think I look pretty bad from how I played D1 -> makes it possible that I was SvS wagons with hollowkatt

tfw I'm concluding that I should be chopped

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:50 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:46 pm kate is by far one of the best town players ive seen in my life HOLY SHIT SHES SO FUCKING GOOD

HOW DO YOU CATCH HKATT AS WOLF THERE

HOW

HOW

HOW

From the previous day's vote, the nk and his reaction.

so hkatt decided to (probably) eat a ban just to potentially get townread in this game? as wolf? and YOU STILL MANAGED TO NOT GET FOOLED BY THAT???

at this point i genuinely dont know whats mafia anymore. what is reality??? all i know is that i dont know anything. and i should just sheep better players than me and win games

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:46 pm kate is by far one of the best town players ive seen in my life HOLY SHIT SHES SO FUCKING GOOD

HOW DO YOU CATCH HKATT AS WOLF THERE

HOW

HOW

HOW

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:43 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:43 pm Definitely not fingersplints

Not you, not me, not rox, not daisy

Probably not porscha or belzy.

oooh oki doki

so last wolf is a bit deep? plausible, plausible

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:38 pm ok cool maybe seanzie WAS INDEED The goat

listen guys

kate say: kill hkatt. kill lc

sean say: kill hkatt. kill lc

kate and sean are both THE GOATS

KILL LC

KILLS HIS ASS

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:35 pm seriously what even is the psychology of the ppl who do that

"oh let me see, i randed wolf, yupee, time to wolf!"

"wtf, this villager is calling me a wolf! i dont like that! FUCK you, villager! feel bad! eat shit!"

time and time again im just speechless at seeing people do that its just unreal to me damn

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:32 pm LMAOOOOOOOOO NO WAY HKATT WAS WOLF

Zenon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:28 pm Mod Announcement

I'm temporarily locking the thread to do this because fuck. I just woke up.

I can'tfind one sub let alone 2 as such this is kinda the only course of action I can think to take.

Caitlin has been modkilled by request she was Blue Moon (Vanilla Town)

Hollowkatt has been modkilled for repeated violations of the rules he was Jotaro Shobo (Mafia Goon)

Day will be extended by 24 hours. Day will end Wednesday July 12th at 6 pm Central.

Please remember to use your private channels if you feel frustrated and to take a step away from the thread. I love you all UwU. I'm gonna reaet the poll than unlock the thread.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:16 pm Reskimmed Caitlin and I disapprove of this wagon still.

Caitlin had a very towny d1 and what bit of content we got d2 seems like it's coming from a town perspective. The bad Falcon vote is wrong, but understandable.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:47 pm @Kate i love and appreciate you. You're wonderful

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:50 pm @Kate

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:30 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:32 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:13 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:28 pm ive almost never seen a mafia game in which the person getting killed n1 had all bad reads

however, i have BEEN IN A TON OF MAFIA GAMES in which the person dying n1 had decent reads, and THEY WERE NOT LISTENED TO, and then TOWN LOST

in my experience town seanzie, should be survive D1, is nearly impossible to eliminate. Kinda like Jack yeah? So sure, could be reads, could be SPK management. until/unless we see a flip of his outlier reads (top towns or top wolves) saying Seanzie was killed for reads isn't something you can really stake the game on.

Lol. Should we stake the game on this post?

Vote [VOTE: hk] aubergine

depends if you'd also like to stake it on mine that essentially said the same thing as hk. or you could make an argument that we should just sheep sean blindly, i'm willing to hear that argument that has yet to be made. i am ok with tutuu saying they want to vote within sean's poe, this is broad enough for me, acceptable. what do you personally think kate? same as tutuu or were your thoughts somewhere else?

Porscha, I'm just quoting this now bc I want to explain my thought process to you. I appreciate your kind words and request. I'm just to tired to revisit this right now.

Here Porscha is telling you that she had posted a similar idea that Sean's reads should not be looked at but you chose instead to go after HKatt, why? Why not Porscha? Who I believe was first to suggest it?

Here:

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:33 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:32 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:28 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:27 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:26 pm cap he wasn't universally tr'ed. me and cait were more tr'ed. fs and belzy had a bit of a scuffle w sean

Lmao ok so which of his townreads is wrong and correct and which of his sr reads is wrong and correct that you are able to discern what reads got him killed then

wat the heck how should i know

Exactly. So you should ignore Sean's reads until later in the game when we get flips and compare to his list

Tell me why I'm wrong then, newb

Then there was this unfortunate post by you to pyx:

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:23 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:56 pm I'd like to remind everyone that HK is actually only at 3 votes, so right now wagons are

Nook - 4 Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy - 3 tutuu, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK - 3 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Let's look at belzy, porscha, daisy, Caitlin nook wilg and sean.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm Nook and sean obviously not bad.

Wilgy is wilgy, and I don't like to go there, as mentioned previously.

Belzy the first on Nook (probably not bad but will iso) Porscha/daisy/Caitlin probably one baddie in there.

One of those 3 were probably saving hallowkatt. Probably, maybe?

@pyxxy these were the posts I was referring to.

First your list included the dead which you seem unaware of, then you post out of the 3 - Porscha, Daisy, Caitlyn there is one baddie in there, then say one of them was prob saving HKatt - and you qualify the whole thing with a Probably,maybe? Yeah this is not Town Kate this is wishy washy Kate trying be a blendy blender. Also leaving yourself easy outs for when you are wrong. Something Town Kate just does not give a shit about.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:08 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:05 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:03 pm Roxy feels to me like they're "in their own corner" as they like to say about certain individuals.

Of course I use this term and now I'm just picturing them sitting in a corner by themselves yelling "LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!" any time someone comes near them.

now you are just being mean, what did I ever do to you?

I would never be alone as I am worshipped as a YaYa and a Mom.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:56 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:37 pm That was textbook, caught, flip the hell out

yep it was textbook alright.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:25 am

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:41 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:33 am ugh, I was looking at the final votes.

Nook: Belzy, Caitlin, Porscha, Spacedaisy
pyxxy: tutuu, Wilgy, Lime Coke, splints
HK: Seanzie, nook
Tutuu: pyxxy
Kate: Roxy
Baker/Lime Coke: falcon

Ok, if wolf, pyxxy could have self pres voted, but they didn't. I really think it's likely this was v/v.

HK was voted by two known civs, this doesn't tell us anything about HK's alignment.

If that's true, then neither wagon can be exclusively focused upon. I would be willing to bet, in fact, that there is two wolves at most on either of these wagons. I am heavily leaning Kate wolf right now as a missing vote. I doubt it was intentional, I don't question that something was happening in real life, but I didn't care for her first entrance and I cared even less for her entrance today.

Ok, so where does that leave me?

I'm leaning town on:
Lime Coke, Caitlin, Roxy (this one is weak, I'd still like to hear more from her), pyxxy.

Uncertain on:
Splints, Wilgy, HK, falcon, tutuu, Porscha

I'm leaning wolf on:
Kate

I'm going to look at that uncertain group in ISOs. I should be honest here though, I'm not convinced of anything, which is why they are all "lean" instead of just a read. I make no promises I won't change my mind along the way lol.

Sound reasoning means she made an argument that was thought out, not that I agree with it.
Also, when have you known me to hide as a baddie?

I don’t think you are hiding. I think the reasoning that you bought was too easy and far from the kind of play any old school player would make. Would you kill the person giving you the hardest wolf read? Would SVS? Would Roxy? Not a chance. My being bad here makes no sense, particularly to those who came up like the old schoolers. I can buy people who haven’t played with me for over a decade thinking maybe I did, but not you.

I think you are a wolf who hasn’t had time to engage and took some easy shots that I can’t buy you normally would as a civ.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 1:33 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Caitlin shield activated

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:38 pm Lime Coke - idk
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - idk the vibe is off
DrWilgy - probs town
falcon45ca - probs town
fingersplints - cannot trust my self so idk
hollowkatt - probs town
Kate - is bad
Porscha - idk
pyxxy - probs town
Spacedaisy - probs town
tutuu - feels off and all over the place could be bad



I may have backed off slightly yesterday but you people are too easily fooled and I really cannot back down today.

sorry Kate <3 you know I love ya but you be bad.

I see no reason to put off my vote any longer bc my mind will not change.

Vote Kate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:27 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:08 am so @Spacedaisy @hollowkatt i could have missed it but after reading ur posts u have a lot of townreads but im not sure what ur scumreads are, do you have at least 3 ppl u think could be mafia? and u too please @fingersplints. LC i think im following along with

absolutely as soon as I think of who I can get away with wolf reading I will give you a list.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:38 pm Lime Coke - idk
Belzy - probs town
Caitlin - idk the vibe is off
DrWilgy - probs town
falcon45ca - probs town
fingersplints - cannot trust my self so idk
hollowkatt - probs town
Kate - is bad
Porscha - idk
pyxxy - probs town
Spacedaisy - probs town
tutuu - feels off and all over the place could be bad



I may have backed off slightly yesterday but you people are too easily fooled and I really cannot back down today.

sorry Kate <3 you know I love ya but you be bad.

I see no reason to put off my vote any longer bc my mind will not change.

Vote Kate

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:47 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:29 am gm.

Last night was a hell night and I'll probably not be around very much today.

The new Caitlin wagon is interesting, but I'm not sure why we'd be solving there today if someone wouldn't mind iterating it for me.

@Belzy and @falcon45ca do you still think Kate is W or are you just lingering there?

No, I'm no longer SR Kate. I am just lazy

really you guys??? I do tbs.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:32 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:13 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:28 pm ive almost never seen a mafia game in which the person getting killed n1 had all bad reads

however, i have BEEN IN A TON OF MAFIA GAMES in which the person dying n1 had decent reads, and THEY WERE NOT LISTENED TO, and then TOWN LOST

in my experience town seanzie, should be survive D1, is nearly impossible to eliminate. Kinda like Jack yeah? So sure, could be reads, could be SPK management. until/unless we see a flip of his outlier reads (top towns or top wolves) saying Seanzie was killed for reads isn't something you can really stake the game on.

Lol. Should we stake the game on this post?

Vote [VOTE: hk] aubergine

depends if you'd also like to stake it on mine that essentially said the same thing as hk. or you could make an argument that we should just sheep sean blindly, i'm willing to hear that argument that has yet to be made. i am ok with tutuu saying they want to vote within sean's poe, this is broad enough for me, acceptable. what do you personally think kate? same as tutuu or were your thoughts somewhere else?

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:56 pm I'd like to remind everyone that HK is actually only at 3 votes, so right now wagons are

Nook - 4 Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy - 3 tutuu, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK - 3 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

Let's look at belzy, porscha, daisy, Caitlin nook wilg and sean.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm Nook and sean obviously not bad.

Wilgy is wilgy, and I don't like to go there, as mentioned previously.

Belzy the first on Nook (probably not bad but will iso) Porscha/daisy/Caitlin probably one baddie in there.

One of those 3 were probably saving hallowkatt. Probably, maybe?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:08 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 am [VOTE: Belzy] aubergine

gn

~16 hours and no one else has really gone for Belzy

this is maybe a very small and barely useful thing to say, but: I don't think Sean was killed in order to frame Belzy for being very publicly pushing and scumreading Sean yesterday

I was sort of hoping that would happen / the thread would engage on Belzy and that's how I could figure out my read

there's just something about they're D2 entrance that I don't like. it feels very "pre-decided". like:
- scum figured I would be cleared by the rand, but someone knows I'm bad at solving as town, so better to kill elsewhere
- okay so scum has to townread me now
- Belzy's actual explanation for townreading me is.....that I successfully managed to tinfoil them about tutuu pocketing them
- but then it's right back to voting for Kate and also pushing HK
- no questioning of tutuu, which is why I flipped to bothering tutuu about Belzy, which went.....ok

@tutuu @Kate any flaws in my logic for what I think is possibly sus behavior here from Belzy?

if we wanted a comparison, I think Spacedaisy has done a decently towny thing (not the AtE about potentially mischopping, mind you) with ending on a "welp, my worldview is kinda broke now, but I'm going to think on things instead of just being stubborn and trying to flip one of my D1 scumreads without more analysis first"

otoh
- they had a bad day. I'm not being sarcastic. I could see that explaining today. I give anyone I play with a 1-time AtE pass. I believe you until you AtE, after that I will never believe you again. so. They had a bad day I hope tomorrow is better

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:52 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:39 pm I agree with you on town belzy

is this like "tutuu's argument makes sense, endorsed" or like "I already thought Belzy was townie for X reasons"

if the latter I would appreciate said reasons

but no rush

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:53 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:51 pm But you and I are both town lmao. I wanna bet on hollowkatt.

thats what im saying too, i was just elaborating (i AM a rule nerd, i did read all the rules of se7en, so i gotta set clear the stakes too! i should be the lawyer not you, im the one who cares about the fine print ...)

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:49 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:43 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:38 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:33 pm well i think kate and hkatt are both town now. definitely hkatt

Omg really??

people dont allow themselves to go that far as mafia. as town yeah, not as mafia. not that far

Let's bet on it. A friendly bet. This is in no way snark or mean and ily.

dont worry id never have thought it would be snark or mean

how about - winner gets to decide the discord avatar of the loser for 2 weeks. that is if we're both town, if one of us is wolf - the bet dissolves