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Good game, MP! I never had a clue what was going on, but I loved my power and the chaos it caused!!!

I"m going to vote Illy. I think I can safely eliminate her from the residents and from the red guys. And I have to leave now.

votes Illy

I'm more concerned (that is, paying more attention to) the voting because it seems that there has been a lot of, or at least potentially, a lot of target switching. There is that possibility from both civ and bad sources.

Found it. Looks like she missed day one and voted chaindeath day two. She must have been nk'd night two?

Flyin' High wrote:Here are the corrected voting orders for all four lynches. This way there shouldn't be any confusion with the mistake I made on Day 2 and the mistake I made on Day 3. Please let me know if you see any further mistakes.

Day 1 Voting Order:
1. Leech (Leech) 1
2. Devin (Boomslang) 1
3. Roxy (Captain Bunny Killer) 1
4. Aces (Leech) 2
5. Benthayer (SVS) 1
6. Mr. Droopy (Boats) 1
7. chaindeath (Leech) 3
8. LoRab (Leech) 4
9. Boomslang (Leech) 5
10. Vompatti (Vompatti) 1
11. Captain Bunny Killer (Vompatti) 2
12. Kate (Leech) 6
13. SVS (Leech) 7
14. rabbit (Leech) 8
15. LittleTiger (Leech) 9
16. Epignosis (Boats) 2
17. reywaS (Leech) 10
18. DharmaHelper (insertnamehere) 1
19. DisgruntledPorcupine (Leech) 11
20. birdwithteeth (Boomslang) 2
21. bea (Leech) 12
22. The Truth (Vompatti) 3
23. Boats (Vompatti) 4
24. triceratops (DharmaHelper) 1
Didn't vote: axxon, DFaraday, crusty_mustard, Illyria, insertnamehere, jokreher

Day 2 Voting Order:
1. axxon (LoRab) 1
2. Epignosis (The Truth) 1
3. triceratops (SVS) 1
4. The Truth (SVS) 2
5. Vompatti (rabbit) 1
6. DH (rabbit) 2
7. jokreher (bea) 1
8. Aces (rabbit) 3
9. Kate (bea) 2
10. LT (bea) 3
11. SVS (bea) 4
12. LoRab (triceratops) 1
13. Illyria (chaindeath) 1
14. chaindeath (rabbit) 4
15. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 5
16. insertnamehere (bea) 5
17. Flyin' High (bea) 6
18. DisgruntledPorcupine (bea) 7
19. Captain Bunny Killer (rabbit) 6
21. Boomslang (bea) 8
20. rabbit (bea) 9
Didn't vote: bea, Benthayer, birdwithteeth, boatsboatsboats, reywaS, and Roxy

Day 3 Voting Order:
1. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 1
2. Captain Bunny Killer (rabbit) 2
3. insertnamehere (Mr. Droopy) 1
4. Vompatti (rabbit) 3
5. The Truth (Mr. Droopy) 2
6. birdwithteeth (Mr. Droopy) 3
7. triceratops (Vompatti) 1
8. rabbit (Mr. Droopy) 4
9. DharmaHelper (insertnamehere) 1
10. Flyin' High (Mr. Droopy) 5
11. Littletiger (Mr. Droopy) 6
12. AceofSpaces (Mr. Droopy) 7
13. BoatsBoatsBoats (Mr. Droopy) 8
14. Boomslang (Mr. Droopy) 9
15. reywaS (Vompatti) 2
16. Kate (Mr. Droopy) 10
17. SVS (Vompatti) 3
18. chaindeath (Mr. Droopy) 11
19. DisgruntledPorcupine (Vompatti) 4
20. Epignosis (Vompatti) 5
Didn't vote: Roxy, jokreher, Benthayer (note: Roxy and Benthayer have been replaced since then)

Day 4 Voting Order:
1. Epignosis (Vompatti) 1
2. LittleTiger (Vompatti) 2
3. BoatsBoatsBoats (Vompatti) 3
4. AceofSpaces (Vompatti) 4
5. SVS (Vompatti) 5
6. Kate (Vompatti) 6
7. Juliet (Vompatti) 7
8. Vompatti (Boats) 1
9. DisgruntledPorcupine (Vompatti) 8
10. DharmaHelper (insertnamehere) 1
11. reywaS (Vompatti) 9
12. The Truth (Vompatti) 10
13. rabbit (Vompatti) 11
14. Boomslange (insertnamehere) 2
15. triceratops (Vompatti) 12
16. Flyin' High (Vompatti) 13
17. birdwithteeth (Vompatti) 14
18. chaindeath (Vompatti) 15
19. Mr. Droopy (rabbit) 1
20. insertnamehere (DharmaHelper) 1
Didn't vote: Captain Bunny Killer, jokreher, Roxy (note: Roxy hadn't been replaced yet)

Maybe FH can let us know who she voted for other than chaindeath?

juliets wrote:
Kate wrote:Illy seemed civ to me and she was participating, but she did say she was suspicious of Bea but then didn't vote her.
Yes, I was just reading that. She did vote chaindeath instead however and it looks like he was on the same team. I just ran through her posts and didn't see anything that knocked her out. Maybe someone else could take a look too.

Ah, this is a good point. I think we can eliminate her as being a resident then, yes?

Illy seemed civ to me and she was participating, but she did say she was suspicious of Bea but then didn't vote her.

Devin voted Boomslang.

Well I just took a look at DF's 7 posts. He voted Leech, which doesn't tell us much, and he did a bit of defending INH (in at least 2 posts). DH, how does that make you feel?

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm quite frightened about picking someone to rezz.

Me too, I would rather not pick anyone but since there are two votes for Chaindeath, we are going to have to come to a decision and make that not happen!

Dom wrote:that vote order would mean that it would either be a tie between timmer and dh or dh would be lynched, if that's correct. :P

How the hell did LT end up being lynched? I'm not unhappy about her lynch, I'm just confused on how it happened.

Is anyone considering that someone may have had a lynch switch?

DharmaHelper wrote:Trice and Epig already voted for Chaindeath

This is why I didn't want to wait for MP to make the secrets public. Hope he doesn't mind!

Chapter 3: Blue Eyeball – Likes to cause chaos and confusion. (Secrets) Curses one player of its choice every night. When Blue Eyeball dies, all players still alive that it has cursed have a 50% chance of being turned frozen for the remainder of the game until specifically unfrozen.
Chapter 4: Each night the players as a whole must select one frozen player to unfreeze. Frozen players cannot post, vote, or use their night power until unfrozen.

Now, I've given away the book, for realzies...lol

juliets wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Going to go to bed, but before I do I just want to say that my methods may seem whacked out but, obviously, they work.
Luckily =/= obviously.
Is now a good time to remind you DH about how you unmercifully attacked me in West Wing for the whole game even though i was a civv?

That won us baddies the game. Our whole team lived.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:You have to be kidding me. I went to click 'submit' to vote, and the polling closed at that exact moment.

It doesn't mean much, but I would have gone with CBK/Timmer probably. I didn't feel quite as comfortable with Troofie and Boats as I did with him and FH. But I'm more willing to give FH the benefit of the doubt for now.
If you were clicking submit, wouldn't you have already picked your vote?
See what I just posted. I'll clarify if you're still confused about it.

I'm still confused about it.

Why would when they died have anything to do with affiliation? Actually the baddies may have had more of an idea who was civ in their later kills.

Well that's awesome!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:You have to be kidding me. I went to click 'submit' to vote, and the polling closed at that exact moment.

It doesn't mean much, but I would have gone with CBK/Timmer probably. I didn't feel quite as comfortable with Troofie and Boats as I did with him and FH. But I'm more willing to give FH the benefit of the doubt for now.

Who were u hitting submit to vote for?

Ok I'm sticking with susoicions that CBK was trying to save bea for today. I'm not sure enough about any of the other suspects.

Vote timmer

Wow. Should not have had a drink when I got home.

The Truth wrote:I sense some tension.

Tension, indeed.

FH, Did MP specifically tell you that part of that secret was even secret to Zappa?

Dom wrote:
Kate wrote:FH, I'd like to see how close together those two posts were about the reverse psychology. Gonna go look.

I also agree that the chaindeath was a civvie was a slip.
They're consecutive...

I meant timewise. I was expecting it to be like 10-15 minutes between posts, but 3 minutes??? I'm baffled now.

The Truth wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse psychology and voting for pluto.

11:25

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I'm going with my gut and guessing that the "resident" ordeal is reverse reverse psychology. So I'm reversing the reverse revere reverse psychology and voting for the sun.

11:28

Weird. Is three minutes enough to see that, think of a "witty" comeback and post?

FH, I'd like to see how close together those two posts were about the reverse psychology. Gonna go look.

I also agree that the chaindeath was a civvie was a slip.

reywaS wrote:Could someone that won a book clear something up for me, purty please?

So, you won the book and could decide to read it or not? Did the simple act of you deciding to read it make it public, or did you guys have to make a separate decision to make it public? One of you may have explained this already, but all the talk about the books has confused me a bit.

First we were offered the choice of what color book we wanted. I assume I was second because I only had the choice of blue (cyan) or red. I chose blue because it had more baddies in it than red. At the time I had assumed FH had purple, never thought of green tbh until she said it in the thread.

then when night rolled around you either read slow, medium or fast. The faster you read the more info you get. This was decided by MP I guess because I don't know what I may have done to make it go at any particular speed. I got 2 chapters, in the same PM that gave the info it asked if I wanted to make it public or keep it to myself.

I also had the option of keeping the book or giving it away. Which I did, but I'm not telling to whom

I really have no freaking idea what to do.

FH, what do you think of Trice?

Flyin' High wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
Kate wrote:I think she was just hoping I wouldn't be able to figure it or have the balls to call her on it in the thread.
That whole exchange was excellent! I am actually pretty shocked that FH confessed in the way she did - you are a good lawyer I find it very odd that FH would choose to read the green book vs the purple book.
What do you mean by being shocked I confessed the way I did? Isn't honesty better than lying? If I had refused to answer Kate's question you all would still be gunning after me for refusing to answer and said that was a baddie move. Clearly I am damned if I do, damned if I don't and it appears Kate is pulling all the strings on this.

How convenient for her and BWT that I chose the green book and was the one forced to make the decision and not one of them.

It's not convenient at all FH! I chose a baddie book! If I had the civvie book and also a baddie book I most certainly would have read the baddie book. Not convenience at all, common sense.

You know, I was starting to believe you before this post.

So can you explain one more time, what your "mistake" was, because it sure seemed like you contradicted yourself.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:HM

Books

Also I think BWT meant 3rd in the posting challenge, and mistyped. That way would actually make sense.

And for the record I believe there are benefits for us to be able to know what other civs are capable of as well. I mean, Damo Suzuki just killed a civvie last night. Their actions affect us this game too, not just those of the baddies.

Huh? Chain death? Was he confirmed somehow?

I think she was just hoping I wouldn't be able to figure it or have the balls to call her on it in the thread.

Don't let her divert your attn timmer.

NO, it was optional.

the other troublesome part, is that she said first she chose the colors because they were her fav. then said, after I got them I realized the color code, but then forgot again (?) and chose green...?

Flyin' High wrote:@Kate: Again, if you knew I had a book, or guessed (which makes sense, not arguing that) why do you not find it strange that BWT didn't win his book from the same contest as you and me? I'm not sure what it means, personally, I just find it odd.

I expected he did, but I don't think it makes him suspicious that he won it in a different way. That's more an eye at MP

lol...

I was pretty damn sure. And, I was correct.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm confused.

FH comes clean about her decisions regarding the books as opposed to keeping her mouth shut and not even mentioning that she has a book. Seems a civvie decision to me.

She had no choice but to come clean. I obviously already knew.

timmer wrote:So FH got two books which could unlock role secrets, chose to read about civvie secrets instead of baddie ones, and says she simply made a mistake? that's possible, but I'm going to read back through her posts, I think, that's a pretty convenient mistake.

I don't know the rules of these books, would the owner have known that any secrets they read would be publicly revealed?

Yes.

Flyin' High wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Ziltoid the Omniscient’s Army (5)

Ziltoid's team kills every odd night.
• Ziltoid the Omniscient – The ultimate fourth-dimensional guitar hero searches all across the omniverse for the ultimate cup of coffee. Unsatisfied by what Earth has to offer, he decides instead to conquer the planet and take control of the entire omniverse. Benefits greatly if Captain Spectacular is lynched. (Secrets)

• Commander Squizloid – Ziltoid’s right hand man and second in command. He absorbs every night action that Ziltoid is targeted with until death. His most important role is commanding the army’s back-up fleets. (Secrets)
So Ziltoid's target (me) couldn't have been switched meaning he definitely tried to kill me.

This can easily be cleared up by me reading from the purple book tonight (which I was already planning to do).

I don't think switching the targets would be considered a night action targeted at Ziltoid directly.

Reading the book tonight, as a reaction to being called out, doesn't exactly change what you didn't do last night. I know that's poorly worded, but I hope the point comes across anyway.

Flyin' High wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:But yeah, Ziltoid's army cannot target me again tonight because of the no double targeting rule. So I can read the purple book. And if they do kill me tonight, then I guess we'll know that I wasn't their intended target on Night 3 and you'll still know I'm not part of Ziltoid's army. So yeah...
EBWOP: left out a word

@BWT: I understand receiving an for the decision. And hopefully I will be able to clear that up tonight.

So far I've read back through Boats and INH. I agree that Boats posts mostly look like he's chiming in with the general consensus, but other than that, nothing on my initial read back of him stands out to me. Same with INH. On RM, INH got accused of being bad when he was civvie so many times that he won a special award for being most likely to make people think he was bad when he was good. My point in bringing that up is to say that he is someone I find notoriously hard to read.

DH may very well be onto something with INH--I should probably read through his posts in conjunction with everyone else's posts (so far today I've just been clicking on the in-topic link to see just that player's posts in order to read through more quickly).

I might just attempt a full thread reread, especially because I wasn't around for Day 0 or Day 1 and while I've read those, it might be good to start over with now that I'm getting used to all of the new people (new to me I mean).

Linki: I wasn't planning to be open about it, but since BWT and Kate discussed it, I didn't want to look like I had something to hide by refusing to talk about it. I still think it's odd that Kate and I won the same type of prize from the posting contest, but BWT apparently won a different prize and then won the book during the poker tournament. But I'm not sure why he'd lie about it either.

So why is it that you keep surviving all these kill attempts? And who said you had to be the leader of that team?

Flyin' High wrote:@Kate & BWT: When I made the decision I stupidly had it in my head that green was Ziltoid's team--call if a brain fart if you want. So I picked green and when I got my PM from MP I saw that I'd learned a civvie role and I did a major facepalm. I realize you will likely not believe me, but it is what it is. Not like I could PM MP back and say, "Oh, I meant to say purple, silly me!" Also before you read into that more than you should, recall that Ziltoid tried to kill me two nights ago.

I think it's very odd that you and BWT want to openly talk about this because all it does is paint a huge target on our backs. Why would you want everyone to know about the books and who has which one and what reading them means?

Also, BWT, if you won the red book from the poker tournament, then what did you win for being third in the posting challenge since you're being so candid right now?

Also, I forgot to ask this earlier--the night post said rabbit got frozen, but he's still on the poll so I take that to mean he's not dead. But unless I'm being a complete ditz and missing it in the roles, I don't understand what being frozen means.

Well, actually BWT said it so I figured wtf. I already gave mine away, so its not an issue, if I get killed it wont be lost.

Also, I don't trust any of the attempted kills since I think that on AT LEAST two nights the targets were switched. AT LEAST two. So there ya go.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:@FH: Nope. I won it from the poker tournament. I ended up finishing 3rd, so I was assuming the rest of the top 2 won another book. I guess I was wrong.

And yeah, if you had both green and purple, what was your reasoning for choosing green over purple? I at least figured the red book had something to do with the indy roles, so I'm sure you could have figured it out based on the book colors.

I got the blue book from the posting contest.

Flyin' High wrote:I guess since we're announcing it I got green and purple. But I can only read from one a night.

You chose to read about civvie secrets instead of baddies'??

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Kate wrote:BWT, what are your thoughts on the Red and Blue secrets being revealed but not the purple?
Well I finished 3rd in the poker tournament, and my prize for it was the Red Book. Every night I'm allowed to decide if I wish to read from it. If I do, I either read at a slow (which is 1 chapter), medium (2 chapters), or fast (3 chapters) pace. The first night I used it (Night 3), apparently I read at a fast pace. Did I know it was going to reveal role secrets? Absolutely not. However, it seems like it could be useful. Not to mention in most of MP's games, he usually starts allowing for opportunities for secrets to be revealed. And we're far enough into the game that I'm not surprised it is happening.

As for why there is not purple, my original guess was that somebody on Ziltoid's team won a book and chose not to use or it got roleblocked and it prevented them from reading it. But if you go look at the roles right now, you will see that is not the case.

I got blue.

What color did you get FH?

Thanks for replying FH.

BWT, what are your thoughts on the Red and Blue secrets being revealed but not the purple?

DharmaHelper wrote:Nobody gave a shit when I thought this voting order was right, coming up with a different theory for nobody to give a shit about is not going to change anything.

Well if you think about why your facts were wrong to begin with, we may get somewhere.

DharmaHelper wrote:Thought about it, Don't see the point in going back and getting the right voting order.

Why not?

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