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by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This Includes Content
I get your whole schtick for this game, but are you planning on incorporating any actual content in at some point?
If I Don't, Will You Punish Me?
I mean I'll spank you and wear leather get all kinky and whatnot.

But in terms of this game, not yet. But I would like to hear more from you that's more substantive is all.

Linki: Yes. That result is pretty lame indeed. But I would be fooling myself if I didn't admit that I was probably voting for INH.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:07 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Night 1] GY!BE Mafia

Son of a...I missed the vote entirely. Just remembered that it was about to occur. RIP INH. :(
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:43 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

This catch up took much long than I thought (almost an hour and a half, but still worth it). I will be back before the day ends, but a few other points:

- Wilgy, would love to hear more substantive content from you. Getting bits and pieces but I would love to see you flesh some stuff out. Because otherwise I just keep getting baddie pings from you.

- Epignosis, more content from you as well.

- INH's attack of the PoE thing (even with MP later stating he is dropping it) felt like it was for all the wrong reasons to me. The thing that is holding me back on voting INH here and now is it comes off as an extremely emotional response. But he can also be an emotional player so I am torn a bit there. Will reflect on it some more.

- Jay, I really, really] hope you are good. I feel like you're starting to get a bit more substantive though which makes me feel a bit better and less neutral about you.

- MM is going for the "Random Chaos Theory" trophy again I think. Still makes me feel slightly bad but this isn't the first time he's pulled this stunt either so :shrug:

- MP is still my strongest civ read so far which is a bit weird. Dude, when do we get to the point where we start butting heads? :P

- Scotty is my other strong case for a vote today. Very dismissive, and I'm starting to wonder if he is ignoring MP's question at him. Given he has had multiple opportunities to respond to it now.

- Sig I feel better about, as I've already stated.

Be back later.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:35 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:Timmer, I'm glad you aren't rando voting lol.

Whom do you think I should vote?
Why are you asking us who you should vote for? Do you have any reads on anyone that would be strong enough for you to vote for them?
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:35 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Alright, sig's latest response makes me feel much better about him. I feel his explanation for his first post in the game was genuine. If he really is busy, I appreciate the fact that he jumped right in with actual content.

He is off my list now.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:32 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:Fight me bwt.

I'm as active and decisive as I can be right now.

What is your opinion on whom I should vote.
You should vote for whoever you feel strongly against.

I'm just voicing my opinions on what I've seen from you so far. And it makes me feel slightly yucky.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:22 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:Holy Batman, timmer's evening entrance (and exit and re-entrance) posts last night were the towniest posts I've seen made since.... well, Quin's replacement entrance posts in Mad Max.

But we all know how that turned out. :mafia:

Still, I'm tentatively feeling really fucking good about timmer right now.
Been thinking of how to word this best, but this takes the cake.

Timmer is definitely in my firmly civ category so far in this game.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:18 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Others, how do you feel about these posts?
A couple comments:

~ It doesn't appear to me like BWT intended to voice a read on MP but rather discuss his experience playing with MP and how it has developed over time. It's not especially reads-relevant which itself lends to a potential for filler, but I don't see it as "wishy-washy" without it actually being a read. I see neutral commentary.

~ The third BWT post in your spoiler raises a question:
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:That's exactly what a baddie would say.

Eh, I guess it was the mannerisms were just subject of my thoughts at the moment, but you are correct. This defined PoE playstyle is what has my feathers rustled. Your argument that it produces content doesn't settle my stomachache either as I know you have the potential to out tons of posts as a baddie just as you do while civvie.
Sooooo....you feel his defined playstyle and him stating so bothers you, but then say it isn't indicative-alignment right afterwards?

I thought you were trying to make your mind up on something. Are you sure you aren't just trying to stir the pot early on?
There's a negative air to this post in BWT's questioning of Wilgy, and I think that's okay. It's a poke which can inspire a response and ideally allow the read to develop. However, it's not my favorite thing that BWT ended with the highlighted question. I'm not certain this question promotes a reliably reads-relevant response because I perceive "stirring the pot" to be a strategy employed by both townies and baddies. I'm also not sure which of those alignments BWT is associating with this question -- whether he is asking Wilgy if he's a townie trying to provoke reactions or asking Wilgy if he's a baddie trying to manipulate conflict.

BWT: could you please clarify your intended direction for the highlighted question?
Certainly!

I felt like Wilgy's post there was wishy-washy without overtly taking a side, but still finding a way to sling mud at MP because he disagrees with his approach to this game. I may not be joining in a PoE quest anytime soon, but I don't fault MP for taking a different approach to the game if he feels it will help him to find baddies. And since then, Wilgy isn't the only one to criticize such an approach.

Granted, MP also has the largest civ read to me of anyone in this game so far, so that's part of where I am coming from as well.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:14 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Epignosis wrote:It's a Sin to Kill a Bird With Teeth on the First Day.
:srsnod:

What do you feel about the cases against me so far?
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:12 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Epignosis wrote:This Includes Content
I get your whole schtick for this game, but are you planning on incorporating any actual content in at some point?
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:07 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:Quick vote dropping on Scotty. MP won my heart.
This is the first post where Wilgy has interacted with Scotty, outside of a "hello" Day 0 post.

Feels bandwagon-y to me.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:06 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

insertnamehere wrote:
sig wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig and Scotty are both suspicious and should be pressured.

I won't be around much, if at all, the rest of the day.
I am unfortunately in the same boat.
Why?

I've been called suspicious a few times already, by Golden, MP, and 3J yet none have given any reason for this read. Are you gut reading me as bad? Is it my posts? I find your lack of explanation disturbing.
welcome to donald trump's america.

Players can now lynch other players simply because they don't fit into their POE. They don't even need a thread-based reason!
Did I miss something? Why is the whole PoE thing so personal for you? Because that's how it feels to me.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:04 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

sig wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, all due respect, don't take my response as rude. It isn't intended that way. I just cannot possibly disagree with you more on that matter; it is unfathomable to me that anyone could think that the current activity for this game is bad for the town.

Furthermore, I didn't ask Boomslang for accurate or true reads. I find it suspicious that you are misconstruing my post as that, especially in conjunction with the fact that you say you don't like it but you don't mafia read it. I was trying to get a feel for him. I still am. I am with everyone. Reads cannot be even remotely accurate if no one pokes anyone else. I am trying to get reads on everyone I can; that's how you play the game of mafia. I think that's been a running theme in my posts, so for you to interpret my post the way that you did (saying that no one can have accurate reads) is outwardly misrepresentation or misunderstanding, and I'm inclined to believe the former at the moment.
But see here is the issue when does generating content turn into overposting which makes people less interested and more confused? I'm not sure if you're doing this now but it is a strategy you've employed in the past, it's day 1 and you already have 200 posts. I know town MP does this as well, but it is perhaps one of your best skills as a mafia member as well.

I don't like Scotty's vote on bwt or Sloonie's. He is a low fruit early on time and time again.
Okay, I get the "overposting = less interested players" argument. And I may have reacted to you way too emotionally to my last response at you.

But I still disagree that having this amount of content doesn't lead to a more sound result later on.

I actually don't get Scotty's vote on me. I think Sloonei said she put a vote on me as a way to remember to read up on me later and to see what else I discussed afterwards.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:00 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

sig wrote:Sloonie I see what he is doing as early day 1 reads. So he might not be taking a strong stance, but I don't think that is alignment indicating. I also don't want to lynch bwt today since he always seems to get lynched early and rarely (if ever) is mafia when lynched day 1/2
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.
I don't like this post, not saying it is a mafia post or pingy I just don't like it. We have just started day 1 how many accurate and true reads can you have at this point? In fact i'd be more suspicious of people who have any strong reads since it would imply buddying/mafia town reading people they think are town.

I feel like we are moving way to quickly for a day 1 and that it could cause harm to town in mid game.
insertnamehere wrote:at this point, I'm waiting for the actual game to start, because reading into this pre-game nonsense is giving me nothing.
I actually agree with this, I've read day 0 and have gotten very little from it so far. :shrug:
I could not disagree any more with the bolded part. Is there a chance for collateral damage? There always is for a Day 1 vote. Do we help the civ cause by keeping thoughts in and not putting everything out in the thread early on? Nope.

I would rather have much more content to wade through later on and have firmer opinions, rather than get to the middle of the game, with nothing to go on but a trail of dead civilians. I've had too many games like that I've played in where I get to Day 3 or 4 and don't have any idea where to go.

Maybe a bit of my bias is present here, but you jumped way up on my list for a Day 1 vote.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:54 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
Replies: 3511
Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Sloonei wrote:This trio of posts from birdwithteeth intrigues me:
Spoiler: show
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I lost interest after reading PoE 3 times :sigh:

JJJ and MP, are you teammates again?
I don't use POE myself that much if at all, but I do find it an interesting strategy and, while not perfect, can be effective in certain situations.

What makes you think they're teammates? Just because they have similar feelings on certain players, albeit with slight disagreements on other opinions? Because I have null reads on both so far.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Linki @MP - idk. I think it's the PoE discussion along with your mannerisms. Declaring PoE as your playstyle gives you a means to stick to something and have at least have that method of play be true. Your mannerisms make it hard to read you in general.
While I can see the argument for the first part, I disagree very much with the bolded. Since I started playing mafia, I think MP's mannerisms have changed considerably. I used to be able to tell much more quickly in games if he was civ or bad. But I think he has evolved and adapted well enough that he's become a much more difficult read, regardless of playstyle and mannerisms.

That being said, there are some thing he is more likely to do if he is civ vs. bad and vice-versa... ;) :feb:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:That's exactly what a baddie would say.

Eh, I guess it was the mannerisms were just subject of my thoughts at the moment, but you are correct. This defined PoE playstyle is what has my feathers rustled. Your argument that it produces content doesn't settle my stomachache either as I know you have the potential to out tons of posts as a baddie just as you do while civvie.
Sooooo....you feel his defined playstyle and him stating so bothers you, but then say it isn't indicative-alignment right afterwards?

I thought you were trying to make your mind up on something. Are you sure you aren't just trying to stir the pot early on?
All three posts are responses to DrWilgy about MP. In all three he is either vaguely defensive of MP or vaguely critical of Wilgy, or both. BWT has also been very wishy-washy with regards to Edgar Allan Poe all game long with posts like this one where he expresses skepticism of the strategy but does not condemn it or MP at all.
birdwithteeth, how are you reading Wilgy right now? How are you reading MP? What compelled you to respond to these posts in this way?

Others, how do you feel about these posts?
I felt slightly not good about Wilgy before. But I often feel that way about him early on in games so I'm waiting to see more from him before I make up my mind.

I am reading MP as if Spacedaisy gave him way too much coffee and he is pulling an all-nighter. So hyperactive and super enthusiastic to be playing. I'm leaning civ on him still.

I responded to those posts that way because I was trying to pick Wilgy's brain and figure out where he is coming from while trying to form my own opinions. If I felt strongly enough or his posts had pinged me enough, then I would have placed a vote on him. And while several things have pinged me so far, nothing strong enough has happened to make me place a vote yet, plus I am still catching up after not having checked in at all yesterday.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:47 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Can anybody ever actually tell if vomps is good or bad? He's a spambot
I've given up on looking for tells for him. I think for him, it's more about vote history that you have to look at.

And even then, I usually end up flipping a coin.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:44 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:So you have in fact read my case?
Nope, and I've pointed that out already.

Anything else I can help you with?

Linki: you're a sexy one Ms Sloonei.
:haha:

Still not feeling good about you, but this response made me laugh way too hard.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:39 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote: then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall
That is me like every game though, isn't it? :p
I wouldn't say so.
I would actually agree with this. MP seems much more inquisitive and wanting to get down to business, with not many jokey post scattered in there. This does have a different feel from him in terms of his content so far.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:38 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote. :beer:

Jay is confirmed scum.
....aaaaaand not feeling that great about you now.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:31 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Vote JaggedJimmyJay because Sloondog's got the right idea!
Here's to hoping you explain this later on. Because I'm not seeing any case on Jay yet. Him being a bit more laid-back and impassive makes me more aware of him, but not necessarily thinking he is bad.
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:28 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

insertnamehere wrote:If I had to pick a title of a Shakespeare play to describe the game so far, I'd have to go with Much Ado About Nothing.

Well, that or Henry VI, Part 1, purely based on the staggering amount of posts you people are spitting out.

Most are based after, the before mentioned Nothing, with the use of the word "fellow" and "just not trying hard enough" being the onuses of some particularly ridiculous stuff.

The game's now sort of collapsed into a hall of mirrors where everyone seems obsessed with everyone's reads on each other despite the fact that the only person who has done something is MP, who burst out of the gate and attempted to wrest control of the thread. Other than that it seems people are reading people based on their reads on other people which are based on other people's reads.

Going back to MP, if he didn't have the ol' POE shield to hide behind, I'd consider him my top suspicion. But, I find everything about the POE strategy suspicious and wrong, so my entire barometer's completely out of whack. I'm not exactly sure who elected him king of the thread, I must have missed that Day 0 poll, but he's sure acting like it what with the demands that people meet his standards of play and constant announcements about his own personal POE rankings which are mostly irrelevant to anyone that doesn't actively suspect him due to the fact that NOBODY ELSE IS USING POE IN THIS GAME. That, plus THE LARGE AMOUNT OF SECRETS AND CHICANERY INVOLVED IN THIS GAME MAKE POE STUPID EVEN BY POE STANDARDS. but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Aren't you one of the players who is big on letting people play their own way? I mean, I know you don't get the whole POE thing and I understand your logic, but I don't see how it makes MP so suspicious. :confused:
by birdwithteeth11
Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:09 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 1] GY!BE Mafia

Only....8 pages to go to catch up!

I'll leave to work out at some point, but should be caught up by the end of the afternoon.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:23 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Going to go hit the gym and eat dinner, and then I should be available for most of the evening.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:22 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Boomslang wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Reads I have so far? Uhhhh.....not much. But if I had to pick one or two:

- Scotty doesn't feel good to me yet. Seems awfully contradictory on your POE methodology.

- I was surprised this many players didn't know what POE was. But it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one. :P

- I'm iffy on Jay. Maybe I'm just used to him being more assertive and decisive. So that may be why I feel the way I do about him currently. But he's a solid grey and would lean ever so slightly civ on him.

- The theme is as awesome as I figured it would be.

- Nothing on Dom yet. Other than his naturally inquisitive self.

- Nothing on Boomslang yet. I'm just not seeing where you are coming from on him.

I think that's all of my definitive feelings, or as definitive as this Day 0 is so far.
I'm leaning slightly bad about this post. "If I had to pick one or two," followed by a list of six items, suggests that he's trying to plant multiple ideas into the thread while being overly casual and noncommittal about it. The combination of "Nothing on Dom," "Nothing on Boomslang," and "definitive feelings" is also contradictory, as Scotty pointed out. And again, "as definitive as this Day 0 is so far" is another way to hedge the statement while still inserting the ideas.

Linki: lol 9 pages beg to differ
To be fair, I figured this would start as just a couple of thoughts. But then it turned into a stream-of-consciousness view of the thread so far. So I guess I have stronger/more opinions than I figured I would. Especially given how long it usually takes me to come up with more than just one or two ideas as to what I think is going on.

And yes, that was a very poor and contradictory word choice on my part. I will admit that. But I was just giving MP a response to his question to me and not really thinking about how I was wording it.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:29 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Scotty wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:triceratopzeuhl:

In your first post you acknowledged the quick beginnings of the baddie hunting in this game with what looked like an air of approval. Your content since though has been about the POE strategic discussion. Do you derive any reads from that?
Just impressed with the gusto from some people even if it might be mostly hot air. I can't tell much on day 0 and I seriously doubt anybody else can, no matter what they claim. We don't even have a lynch vote today, no night actions have happened, there isn't even a semi-nonsensical day 0 poll like some hosts like to do (MP comes to mind). At best one of the over-enthused paragraphs here will sound funny & gather suspicion - but who is more likely to be theorycrafting and looking for a winning strategy for the civs, goodies or baddies? Baddies benefit more from not directing attention at themselves.

Anyway, if alex is going to be posting his rainbow list here instead of keeping his reads private, it will if nothing else provide fodder for discussion
Which is why I'm personally okay with Day 0 discussions. It has helped me identify and catch baddies later on. Forcing them to be active and post a lot gives more opportunities to read them and more opportunities for them to slip up.
Just popping in for a second here (won't be around for longer than to make this post), but I wanted to inquire something of you, BWT.

You emphasize that you prefer Day 0 discussions like the one we've had in this game because they provide more content by which you can find baddies subsequently. Do you have any even very minor potential leads based on what has already transpired? Or are you merely indicating that revisiting Day 0 once you have subsequent leads may bring more light to whether those reads are more or less accurate? Give me your thought process here and provide a concrete example of a read you've already started developing, if you can.
More the second. Because I'm not really sure how concrete Day 0 reads are in a vacuum and I would need to see enough evidence on that for me to change my mind. I think looking at Day 0 once you hit around Day 3 or 4 can help emphasize those current reads based on past actions or make one reconsider based on said past actions.

Reads I have so far? Uhhhh.....not much. But if I had to pick one or two:

- Scotty doesn't feel good to me yet. Seems awfully contradictory on your POE methodology.

- I was surprised this many players didn't know what POE was. But it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one. :P

- I'm iffy on Jay. Maybe I'm just used to him being more assertive and decisive. So that may be why I feel the way I do about him currently. But he's a solid grey and would lean ever so slightly civ on him.

- The theme is as awesome as I figured it would be.

- Nothing on Dom yet. Other than his naturally inquisitive self.

- Nothing on Boomslang yet. I'm just not seeing where you are coming from on him.

I think that's all of my definitive feelings, or as definitive as this Day 0 is so far.
It sure sounds like everyone's pretty murky brown to you. Why even mention Dom and Boom if you don't have a read on them?
Because others have voiced opinions on them, and I am just acknowledging that that is out there, but that I currently do not have strong leanings one way or another on those players.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:22 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)
I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?
Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing. :srsnod:

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.
How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.
What's wrong with it? I've been clear about implementing POE this game.
Civvie hunting isn't what is bothering me
Then I'm confused. Which part of it bothered you?
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:21 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Views: 77161

Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)
I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?
Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing. :srsnod:

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.
How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.
I mean, that is the one major crux of the POE methodology I've seen so far that I hadn't considered myself. It would certainly be very easy for a baddie to hide behind if they adopted the strategy early on and were very successful at it. But I think if you had enough players participating in that strategy in a game (maybe at least 50% of them?), and continued to do so throughout, then you could eventually whittle down 1) the options the baddies have for good kills, and 2) the number of people who aren't civs.

Not a perfect strategy, but I get the idea of approaching the game from a different angle for the same result.

As for how I actually feel about it in the moment? Ehhhhh....yeah, it doesn't look good.

I just feel there is enough context outside of this one thought bubble though that it doesn't do much other than make me slightly quizzical.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:16 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:triceratopzeuhl:

In your first post you acknowledged the quick beginnings of the baddie hunting in this game with what looked like an air of approval. Your content since though has been about the POE strategic discussion. Do you derive any reads from that?
Just impressed with the gusto from some people even if it might be mostly hot air. I can't tell much on day 0 and I seriously doubt anybody else can, no matter what they claim. We don't even have a lynch vote today, no night actions have happened, there isn't even a semi-nonsensical day 0 poll like some hosts like to do (MP comes to mind). At best one of the over-enthused paragraphs here will sound funny & gather suspicion - but who is more likely to be theorycrafting and looking for a winning strategy for the civs, goodies or baddies? Baddies benefit more from not directing attention at themselves.

Anyway, if alex is going to be posting his rainbow list here instead of keeping his reads private, it will if nothing else provide fodder for discussion
Which is why I'm personally okay with Day 0 discussions. It has helped me identify and catch baddies later on. Forcing them to be active and post a lot gives more opportunities to read them and more opportunities for them to slip up.
Just popping in for a second here (won't be around for longer than to make this post), but I wanted to inquire something of you, BWT.

You emphasize that you prefer Day 0 discussions like the one we've had in this game because they provide more content by which you can find baddies subsequently. Do you have any even very minor potential leads based on what has already transpired? Or are you merely indicating that revisiting Day 0 once you have subsequent leads may bring more light to whether those reads are more or less accurate? Give me your thought process here and provide a concrete example of a read you've already started developing, if you can.
More the second. Because I'm not really sure how concrete Day 0 reads are in a vacuum and I would need to see enough evidence on that for me to change my mind. I think looking at Day 0 once you hit around Day 3 or 4 can help emphasize those current reads based on past actions or make one reconsider based on said past actions.

Reads I have so far? Uhhhh.....not much. But if I had to pick one or two:

- Scotty doesn't feel good to me yet. Seems awfully contradictory on your POE methodology.

- I was surprised this many players didn't know what POE was. But it makes me feel better that I'm not the only one. :P

- I'm iffy on Jay. Maybe I'm just used to him being more assertive and decisive. So that may be why I feel the way I do about him currently. But he's a solid grey and would lean ever so slightly civ on him.

- The theme is as awesome as I figured it would be.

- Nothing on Dom yet. Other than his naturally inquisitive self.

- Nothing on Boomslang yet. I'm just not seeing where you are coming from on him.

I think that's all of my definitive feelings, or as definitive as this Day 0 is so far.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:10 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Golden wrote:Hot takes

Bwt is town. Scotty is bad.
Golden, are you planning on elaborating on this anytime soon?
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:09 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Ricochet wrote:So heads up, I opened the game at 2:40am local (is that 7:40 or 8:40 EST? not sure; is the ParkRec deadline, for instance, at 8 or 9pm?), but I'd like to set the start of phases earlier at :00 as much as possible for the remainder of the game, if that's coolio with you.
Fine by me.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:03 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:I was gonna say, if I want any hope of keeping up with discussion I need to post faster
Sorry, I'm simultaneously torn between being insanely hyped for this game and wanting to generate ALL OF THE CONTENT IN THE UNIVERSE to catch all the town reads so that I can eliminate the mafia as well as trying to pace myself a bit so that I don't flood the thread too much with content.

The former half I think is winning. I need to run a quick errand anyway, so I'll leave again for a bit.
Yeah, sometimes the instinct within is too powerful. I have tried to restrain myself and here I am with way too many posts. :rolleyes:
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by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:59 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:Holy fuck, I have over 100 posts and it's not even Day 1 yet.

SUPATOWN POE STYLE.
You may as well admit your normal playstyle involves posting a lot lol.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:50 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:triceratopzeuhl:

In your first post you acknowledged the quick beginnings of the baddie hunting in this game with what looked like an air of approval. Your content since though has been about the POE strategic discussion. Do you derive any reads from that?
Just impressed with the gusto from some people even if it might be mostly hot air. I can't tell much on day 0 and I seriously doubt anybody else can, no matter what they claim. We don't even have a lynch vote today, no night actions have happened, there isn't even a semi-nonsensical day 0 poll like some hosts like to do (MP comes to mind). At best one of the over-enthused paragraphs here will sound funny & gather suspicion - but who is more likely to be theorycrafting and looking for a winning strategy for the civs, goodies or baddies? Baddies benefit more from not directing attention at themselves.

Anyway, if alex is going to be posting his rainbow list here instead of keeping his reads private, it will if nothing else provide fodder for discussion
Which is why I'm personally okay with Day 0 discussions. It has helped me identify and catch baddies later on. Forcing them to be active and post a lot gives more opportunities to read them and more opportunities for them to slip up.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:36 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei, I would question whether confidence would make sense in the contexts you've referenced. I made assertions based upon my best understanding of the discussions and that was it. I can't derive a confident read on INH, for example, based upon the point for which MP requested feedback. I said as much. I can provide a tentative lean by meta but little else.

I think the meta you're assigning to me is better associated with a Zebra or a Mac. I may exhibit confidence eventually, but everything is tentative on Day 0. This one especially has been a large portion of strategic debate (I'll accept a share of the blame for that) and check-ins. The capacity for generating meaningful reads out of that is limited.
I could assert that it appears as though you aren't making sincere efforts to generate content. What would you say in response to that accusation?
I would say I'm actively trying *not* to generate content. I've said before that blowing the thread up on Day 0 deters too many people from keeping up with the game. I've actually posted more than I would have liked already by instinct.

Day 1 is a time for making things happen.
For what it's worth, I actually prefer to have more "blown up" threads on Day 0 since I think it gives a better future baseline down the road. I've had games where I've been on time crunches before and having to read huge chunks of Day 0 stuff is annoying. But I think starting discussions earlier is never a bad thing.
by birdwithteeth11
Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:30 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Sloonei, talk to me about some things too when you get the chance! What's your strategy? :D
I've read about 1% of the thread so far. I've been either at work or asleep since this game started, but that's done now. I'll have things to say soonish.
There are 192 posts. You've written 10 of them. By my calculations, that means you haven't read 8 of your own posts so far.

I don't blame you though. I don't want to read my own posts either. I don't even know what I just typed.
I'm just hitting random keys and hoping I make sense.
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Go home. You're drunk. :P
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:18 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:That's exactly what a baddie would say.

Eh, I guess it was the mannerisms were just subject of my thoughts at the moment, but you are correct. This defined PoE playstyle is what has my feathers rustled. Your argument that it produces content doesn't settle my stomachache either as I know you have the potential to out tons of posts as a baddie just as you do while civvie.
Sooooo....you feel his defined playstyle and him stating so bothers you, but then say it isn't indicative-alignment right afterwards?

I thought you were trying to make your mind up on something. Are you sure you aren't just trying to stir the pot early on?
He could be, because you know, it's Wilgy and he's an enigma from game to game, but that's not the impression I'm getting at all. I'd even say that Im seeing a comparatively more transparent / forthcoming Wilgy so far than what I typically see.
Yeah, he clarified it a bit more this morning so I feel better about him. Might as well get those thoughts out in the open anyway early on.
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:04 am
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Still catching up, but I had a question about this post.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me? :mafia:
tbh what does this mean tbh
Stated as simply as possible, POE ("process of elimination") takes the typical strategy of a town player (to hunt for members of the mafia) and flips it on its head (instead hunt for fellow townies).

The theory behind POE is that town can win due to the fact that it has a majority, and if members of the town can collectively use POE to clear enough of each other from consideration of being mafia, then the only players that haven't been cleared are the mafia.

A player can approach POE on an individual level, like I've usually been doing more so these days in the beginning of the game when I state "here are 5 town reads", etc., and then when it comes time to vote I just vote among the players I haven't found any reason to call town.

Multiple players can approach POE on a group level with specific intent of using POE (something I have not yet participated in), and assuming those players can town-clear each other, they will then work with each other collectively to cross-examine each other's town reads to develop a consensus suspect pool. For example, if there are 10 players, and I (as Player #1) have town reads on Players #3, 5, 7, and 8, and Players #3 and #5 who also are using POE have town reads on Players #2, 4, 5, and 9, then that leaves a consensus suspect pool of only Players #6 and #10, since neither of those players are being town read by any of the players utilizing POE. All of the POE-utilizing players would then decide on either #6 or #10 for their votes.
I get your argument for a group-based POE as a way to potentially eliminate civilians from the candidate pool. And maybe I'm just being a dunderhead here. But wouldn't your strategy not be very effective from a short-term perspective (I.E. only one or two days' worth of read from multiple people vs. a longer period of time)? I agree it could work in the long-term, but isn't there an opportunity cost early on that could still lead to several mislynches? Does your strategy do anything to prevent that?

Now granted, the fact we already have this much discussion and it is Day 0 might completely invalidate my question. But I guess a part of it is I'm just not a big fan of POE's style-wise. I feel like it potentially paints a broad brush if used too early, and can let baddies sneak under the radar if people are mis-identified. Hence my question.
Nevermind MP. You already answered this in a previous response to INH.
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:01 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Sloonei wrote:Usually I'm all for tons of chatter out of the gate, but I'm too tired to read 140 posts right now, so you can all gonto hell.
I agree. That's why I waited until the morning to read when I had my coffee and was more alert. :nicenod:

I think lengthy, intensive Day 0/1 discussions can be very helpful and useful much later on it games. It sets a strong baseline to pick up from and go with as the game evolves and reads change and become more intuitive/informed.
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:57 am
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:That's exactly what a baddie would say.

Eh, I guess it was the mannerisms were just subject of my thoughts at the moment, but you are correct. This defined PoE playstyle is what has my feathers rustled. Your argument that it produces content doesn't settle my stomachache either as I know you have the potential to out tons of posts as a baddie just as you do while civvie.
Sooooo....you feel his defined playstyle and him stating so bothers you, but then say it isn't indicative-alignment right afterwards?

I thought you were trying to make your mind up on something. Are you sure you aren't just trying to stir the pot early on?
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:55 am
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:Linki @MP - idk. I think it's the PoE discussion along with your mannerisms. Declaring PoE as your playstyle gives you a means to stick to something and have at least have that method of play be true. Your mannerisms make it hard to read you in general.
While I can see the argument for the first part, I disagree very much with the bolded. Since I started playing mafia, I think MP's mannerisms have changed considerably. I used to be able to tell much more quickly in games if he was civ or bad. But I think he has evolved and adapted well enough that he's become a much more difficult read, regardless of playstyle and mannerisms.

That being said, there are some thing he is more likely to do if he is civ vs. bad and vice-versa... ;) :feb:
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:50 am
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:I lost interest after reading PoE 3 times :sigh:

JJJ and MP, are you teammates again?
I don't use POE myself that much if at all, but I do find it an interesting strategy and, while not perfect, can be effective in certain situations.

What makes you think they're teammates? Just because they have similar feelings on certain players, albeit with slight disagreements on other opinions? Because I have null reads on both so far.
by birdwithteeth11
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:43 am
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Still catching up, but I had a question about this post.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me? :mafia:
tbh what does this mean tbh
Stated as simply as possible, POE ("process of elimination") takes the typical strategy of a town player (to hunt for members of the mafia) and flips it on its head (instead hunt for fellow townies).

The theory behind POE is that town can win due to the fact that it has a majority, and if members of the town can collectively use POE to clear enough of each other from consideration of being mafia, then the only players that haven't been cleared are the mafia.

A player can approach POE on an individual level, like I've usually been doing more so these days in the beginning of the game when I state "here are 5 town reads", etc., and then when it comes time to vote I just vote among the players I haven't found any reason to call town.

Multiple players can approach POE on a group level with specific intent of using POE (something I have not yet participated in), and assuming those players can town-clear each other, they will then work with each other collectively to cross-examine each other's town reads to develop a consensus suspect pool. For example, if there are 10 players, and I (as Player #1) have town reads on Players #3, 5, 7, and 8, and Players #3 and #5 who also are using POE have town reads on Players #2, 4, 5, and 9, then that leaves a consensus suspect pool of only Players #6 and #10, since neither of those players are being town read by any of the players utilizing POE. All of the POE-utilizing players would then decide on either #6 or #10 for their votes.
I get your argument for a group-based POE as a way to potentially eliminate civilians from the candidate pool. And maybe I'm just being a dunderhead here. But wouldn't your strategy not be very effective from a short-term perspective (I.E. only one or two days' worth of read from multiple people vs. a longer period of time)? I agree it could work in the long-term, but isn't there an opportunity cost early on that could still lead to several mislynches? Does your strategy do anything to prevent that?

Now granted, the fact we already have this much discussion and it is Day 0 might completely invalidate my question. But I guess a part of it is I'm just not a big fan of POE's style-wise. I feel like it potentially paints a broad brush if used too early, and can let baddies sneak under the radar if people are mis-identified. Hence my question.
by birdwithteeth11
Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:56 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

DrWilgy wrote:Sup Sock bro?
C'mere boy! I have some varmints I wanna share with you...
by birdwithteeth11
Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:55 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Vompatti wrote::eek:
Prove it!
by birdwithteeth11
Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:49 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:First post!

Now prove to me that I am not first.
:evileye:

Good to be playing with you again, bud. :beer:
You lose. Did not even make an attempt to disprove my argument. :feb:

But yeah, about time we got to play a game together again! Here's to hoping I survive past Night 1 lol.
by birdwithteeth11
Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:45 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

Epignosis wrote:All My Posts Will Be Potential Titles for Post-Rock Songs
Extra challenge: Make all of them titles of post-rock songs that are only GY!BE-themed titles. Can't cross over into other post-rock acts.
by birdwithteeth11
Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:42 pm
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Re: [Day 0] GY!BE Mafia

First post!

Now prove to me that I am not first.

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