The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

timmer wrote::

Spacedaisy wrote:Six out of fourteen voters is unacceptable. Anyone who missed the vote will start the next lynch poll with plus one to their name. I will add another vote every time you miss one from here on out. I have been a very forgiving host, but this is where I draw the line.

Rezz me and I'll vote every time.

Same.

Me three. This is what happens when you ignore my advice and let the non-participants stick around.

Dom wrote:Sorry, Alex. I really did think you were baddie.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm really sorry I missed the vote! I went down to visit with my brother last night, and we went out partying with some of his friends. So I never had a chance to check in to vote last night or this morning. I probably would have gone for either DP, DF, or SVS since those are my top Trogdor suspicions.

Oh my gosh. MP got lynched again, and was a civvie like I totally expected him to be. I'm. Very. Shocked.

I want to look back some at the people who have continued to push very hard for an MP lynch. Dom in particular has pinged me a few times, but I can't remember exactly what he said. I will go re-read him and possibly Timmer at some point today and pull a few quotes.

Interesting considering that MP has been questioning you for a while now...


Also interesting given that this was the first time I've voted MP.... however, Timmer has been going on about MP too, yet no mention of him. Why so selective?

BigDamnHero wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I think BDH makes some VERY good points on Vomps. The way he's jumped among so many different suspicions, and then going from saying he thinks Borok is civ to not trusting him at all, along with his vote for gleam, seems like icing on the cake. If I still had my vote, it would probably go for Vomps today.

We need a bad guy to get lynched today. Specifically, I'm looking at borokkuei, vomps and SVS. While I feel the former 2 are very suspicious and may very well be bad guys, I really REALLY want to lynch Trogdor this round and I believe SVS fits the bill. I want the civilians to get a win this round, but I also want us to sleep a little better knowing a killer has been eliminated.

So had you not voted already, would you change your vote because you feel vompatti is more likely now to be trogdor than SVS or would you change it just because you feel vompatti is just more likely bad in general?

Mongoose wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose, what do you think of BWT and juliets, as well as Dom, timmer, and Snow Dog, out of curiosity?

Dude I can read BWT about as well as you can. I pretty much always tend to read him as civ.

Thanks! I'm glad someone does! :P

Juliets - civ leaning

No clue. I can never read Juliets. I usually start off as reading her as a baddie, but the further I go into games with her, the more civvie she starts to sound to me.

Dom - I'm a little scared to say because then he will come after meeee

Leaning civ on him for now. But I flip-flop on Dom a lot.

timmer - Probably civ

Neutral, VERY slightly leaning baddie because of all the stuff with MP earlier. It's cooled off a bit though since he said he's willing to look at other suspects as well.

Snow - President of CivCorp

Agreed here.


Of course out of all o those, at least one is probably bad just in the numbers game. The civ surplus is dwindling so much that we shall be even stevens before too long.

Snow Dog wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:One other thought before I do a thing or two and then go to bed...

Does anyone have reason to believe borokkuei is civvie? Additionally, what do players think of his accidental death on night 2? It seems daisy killed him due to host error. While it may be unfair to speculate, since she does not appear to be showing other failed kill attempts on purpose anyway, could this mean that borokkuei is a member of blue laser, or perhaps even the cheat? Just curious, since I am really unsure of what to make of him. He has said more than a few statements throughout the game that have been gross inaccuracies... And while I could see a Baddie or civvie being confused or faking confused, I want other input on this matter.

That is all I have to say for now.

I had a thought I didn't think I should share, that maybe he was Trogdor and killed himself by accident, only for Daisy to realise he couldn't actually do that. It's a possibility but I don't think I'd be comfortable lynching someone on that logic. I don't personally have much of a read on him anyway.

I could see that being possible. But I would feel very uncomfortable lynching someone solely off a hosting error. I do think borok has said a lot of things that haven't been true about the game. I'm unsure as to whether it's because he's not paying enough attention or if it's because he's trying to sow the seeds of doubt.

I think it more likely that Trog was blocked or Borrok was protected somehow and Daisy overlooked it.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:One other thought before I do a thing or two and then go to bed...

Does anyone have reason to believe borokkuei is civvie? Additionally, what do players think of his accidental death on night 2? It seems daisy killed him due to host error. While it may be unfair to speculate, since she does not appear to be showing other failed kill attempts on purpose anyway, could this mean that borokkuei is a member of blue laser, or perhaps even the cheat? Just curious, since I am really unsure of what to make of him. He has said more than a few statements throughout the game that have been gross inaccuracies... And while I could see a Baddie or civvie being confused or faking confused, I want other input on this matter.

That is all I have to say for now.

I had a thought I didn't think I should share, that maybe he was Trogdor and killed himself by accident, only for Daisy to realise he couldn't actually do that. It's a possibility but I don't think I'd be comfortable lynching someone on that logic. I don't personally have much of a read on him anyway.

Mongoose wrote:Also, I feel like I am possibly missing out on an event with all y'all creating your own infomercials.

juliets wrote:Something is squirrely here.

Mongoose wrote:I am a little relunctant to vote low posters out of fear we will kill Poopsmith. But yes, great game Daisy. We needed some levity. I think the events sound particularly fun.

thellama73 wrote:@juliets: it was more the "I think all the factions got info" part that pinged me. If gleam is a civ and believed Snow and Bullz, it seems an odd assumption to make. If Gleam is bad, he would then know that at least two factions had info.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, I totally understand the MP break. After that last burst of frustration (which I understand could be frustrating), I get it.

I'm a little unsure about just picking absent posters without further evidence. BWT, I'm not sure how that would "get us on the right track" beyond the lucky chance that we do get Troggy. It would certainly be safer around here, but finding the serial killer gets us no closer otherwise to finding the other baddies. And, with the number of people who have appeared to have reasons for low posting (I would emphasize appeared), it seems more dangerous to just attack low posters willy nilly.

So, why are we not asking questions about why the Teen Girls didn't make a kill? Was it two missing PMs, or is it possible their kill was stopped somehow? It just seems unlikely that a whole team would miss the PM. So, someone here is sneaking back into the discussion.

MovingPictures07 wrote: BWT, I don’t think looking at AP so strongly because he is being illogical equates to him being a baddie. This still seems like normal AP behavior to me. I realize it’s not what you or I or most people would do, but I’m afraid I’m still not getting the suspicion on him at all. Can you elaborate as to how it makes him different than normal and/or baddie?

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:The trouble is it's difficult to accuse Lizzy voters because Lizzy herself is partly to blame. She dances on the edge of the abyss.

I agree with this. I wouldn't be surprised if NO baddies voted for Lizzy and are now laughing their heads off.

borokkuei wrote: I guess MP's post dominance is kind of a ping, but it seems reasonable since he's been busy with stuff lately and crams all of his thoughts into posts whenever he's around.

Matt F seems to really want llama dead, but I'm not sure which of the pair are bad (or perhaps both are?)

A Person wrote:RIP Lizzy, I never doubted your civness (and this time I said something about it beforehand)

I voted for myself because it seemed like killing Lizzy was what we were doing today, so any other vote seemed wasted.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I didn't manufacture a fake case against llama; it was what I sincerely believed....

That said, I didn't build a case on llama quite like timmer is building on me. I didn't do my fancy old pulling quotes and all of that stuff. But yes, I did build a case against llama, and I did it out of... I don't know, shortsidedness, or dare I say it, rash stupidity. I'll be the first to admit that.

It is possible timmer is just very wrong about me, but I am not so sure. What bugged me so much about it was how timmer had such a turnaround and as such it felt especially fake to me. I suppose it helps make it feel fake considering that I know it all to be incorrect as well.

Also, it is NOT a switcheroo. Lest you forget, I actually discussed timmer with llama before timmer even came back from vacation. I said he seemed suspicious due to his most recent vote for llama, but that I was holding final judgment to see what he would post. I said that specifically because I had a feeling he might come in the thread and try to railroad me, but I didn't want to say that at the time as it would have defeated the purpose of my speculation. I needed to see what he'd do.

Then he came in the thread and gunned against me HARD. And Devin was killed last night. Just cannot be a coincidence in my mind.

One minute you say you sincerely believed your case against llama. The next minute it was rash and stupid. Yet you suspect timmer because a sudden flip seemed fake? I seem to recall that your words directly after your sudden change of heart about llama were "I knew it sucked balls." Yeah, gross. And so telling.

It wasn't a "next minute" type of change. I felt it was much more gradual, and it didn't happen until Matt F pointed out a certain post for MP to look at and consider. I remember which post it is, and I think it did a fairly good job of exonerating llama.

And the whole paragraph about a switcheroo sounds strikingly like a baddie not copletely committing while preparing a defense beforehand.

Not really. If it had been such an immediate change however, then this could certainly be valid. Also, since I forgot to mention it, I do not feel that great about Timmer since he's been back. But I would prefer to see if he has any other suspicions and wait for him to fully catch up.

And, yes, I will go back for your other posts. I apologize if I missed something there.

I would. There's the 4 in particular from MP which I think sum up his frustrations pretty well. I'm still seeing a frustrated civvie MP.

And, as a funny sidenote, the lady I rent from has family from France staying with her right now, and I found myself reading the whole thread in a French accent in my head. It's pretty great.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to feel like a massive sucker if I end up being wrong, but at this point I'm prepared to believe Alex is telling the truth. He sounds convincing to me.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Is it unfair if we speculate about the Troggyness of those with intermittent internet access? I'm not referring to any one person since this has been a continuous thing

They knew what they were signing up for. They should be prepared to face the consequences.

Mongoose wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Linki3: MONGOOSE WHAT THE?!?!

Ehhh?

Mongoose wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Have you and MP ever been on a team together?

I'm going somewhere with this...probably.

A Person wrote:

Matt F wrote:

A Person wrote:I think she just means that she is suspicious of him but has nothing concrete like the lynch with Llama to prove/disprove her suspicions. I could be wrong but I am the resident Lizzy expert and can usually understand what she means.

This post is suspicious too.

Also, I will answer that huge post today at some point.

Yup, it is suspicious, how you keep answering for Lizzy.

Also, what's concrete about her case on Llama? Mere speculation, IMO.

Looking forward to your rebuttal, good sir!

I think she's good and feel her posts are being misunderstood/twisted to mean something else. Also she's my friend.

It's concrete in that it's a specific event that can be examined and interpreted and tested and not a "MP's posts seem weird this game so I'll keep an eye on him" kind of thing. It could mean anything, but if he survives, I would assume that it's no mistake or coincidence. I like that is an idea based on something that happened in the game that still has no explanation.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Crap, Snow Dog, I totally forgot to respond to your post. Sorry. I was reminded when I saw Matt F's posts asking my opinion of you.

Also, regarding llama, it makes no sense. I already went over how there were MANY options to explain why llama survived that lynch. Most are not nefarious, a fact I was stupid enough to ignore while I was continuing to run with my suspicion, but later realized.

This is why I think llama is most likely civvie. There are more civvie possibilities than baddie possibilities as to how he survived that lynch.

Interesting responses from Lizzy. Not out of character. I do think she could be Trogdor or a baddie, frankly.

Already commented on this. Moving on...

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Anyone find it interesting that perhaps my biggest defender, Devin, who is largely believed to be civvie (for good reason, if you don't believe me, re-read his posts), was killed last night, and NOW there's this huge movement against me?

Think about it.

If you are civ why are you pinged by my "defending" you.....if that was what it was. It wasn't but whatever.

I suppose the way you went about it set off my alarm bells, as if you were stepping in and trying to appease me, in a false sort of way. It's like keep your friends close and your enemies closer, if that makes sense. Also, I even admitted in thread that I should have thrown off to BDH; I didn't have to save myself. It pinged me in the same way Mongoose's post pinged me last day period when I thought she was just trying to tell me exactly what I wanted to hear.

Speaking of Mongoose, I look forward to her current thoughts.

No read yet on Snow Dog or Mongoose. I do think it was odd the way they responded to you in that incident. But nothing more than that with them. I tend to read both of them as civ every time they play.

Matt F wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why are you feeling less certain of me, any reason?

Well, let me ask you...

What are your thoughts on Snowdog? I am pinged out of my mind based on his defense of you, and the only reason I let my susp of him die earlier, is because Devin claimed in the thread that "Yes, Snowdog is Civ " . Considering you believe Devin to be civ, and Llama believed Devin to be civ, and even I, myself, had a certain civ role for him if true...I took Devin at his word about Snowdog.

Then I think about way early in the game. You asking about info, Snowdog and Bullz saying "yup i got info", you saying "you guys must be civvie!".

Then I think about Bullz being rezzed. Apparently by Devin. And why? I dunno, no offense Bullz you're my bro from another mo, but I had no read on you before you died, I don't think anyone did really (did anyone?)...in fact, there was even a conversation about the poem player thinking you were bad...then presto chango Bullz was rezzed.

So here we are, all these names keep coming around together in different combinations...Bullz, Snowdog, Devin, MP.

Let me ask you, were you 100% certain that Devin was civvie? You can say without going into details if you were certain...were you?

Linki - I listened to her defense, Vomps, and didn't buy it personally. Speaking of which, gotta go quote another MP post about Lizzy right now...

As I've said previously, I will eat a friggin' hat if Devin was not a civvie. I am sure he was. I have no reason not to believe him; his behavior indicated civvieness to me and I know him quite well. The bandwagon against him and especially his subsequent untimely death absolutely confirmed it to me.

Now, as to why he supposedly rezzed Bullzeye, I keep wondering about that myself. It's the only thing about Devin's behavior that I haven't been able to figure out yet. It doesn't shake my confidence in my assessment though.

I have my eye on Bullzeye, but he hasn't given me too much of a reason to think he's baddie yet. He is a fantastic player all around though, so it's tough to tell. I have to say I had a pretty civvie read on him before he died; since then, it's more up in the air, but still probably leaning civvie.

As to Snow Dog, I really don't know. Snow Dog is one of those few players I have an extremely hard time reading (up there with BWT and S~V~S for me IMO) where they always read just "Snow Dog" (or just "BWT") to me. The difference between Snow Dog and BWT and S~V~S is that for some reason I always seem to be reading BWT and S~V~S as baddies and Snow Dog as a civvie. A few posts/votes Snow Dog has made have pinged me, and I keep going back and forth with him. I did think Snow Dog was civvie at the time he gave out info, you're correct, but my entire assessment of all of that has changed after I found out the Day 0 poll was an alignment-driven poll, thus making my early confidence in Snow Dog and Bullz's alignments moot.

In summary, I really have absolutely no idea on Snow Dog. I'm not sure I've been given much reason to distrust him yet, that said, and I don't think I'd feel comfortable voting for him today.

But he's hoodwinked me before and I've accidentally lynched him when he was civvie before, so it makes me a bit cautious in my reads one way or the other.

Lol we both read Snowy and SVS the same way every time. :P

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: You say you're feeling most strongly about Gleam. Take a look at the player list; are there any names that pop out to you as you having absolutely no read on them one way or the other and they haven't really been discussed?

Borrokuei and Leamiteo spring to mind. I haven't played with them before and I can't pronounce their names. I haven't too much discusion from/about them and I don't have any sense of their style or personality. DP has been flying under my radar this game too.

I've played with borrokuei and his style was pretty similar before. I've never played with Leamiteo but it seems pretty indicative of what interaction I have had with her. So nothing out of the ordinary for either of them.

However, they both could be baddies for all I know. Borrokuei has been really blendy, but I'm not sure if that means he has teammates or not. I do agree with Matt F that it's strange he keeps latching onto the general tide of the thread. I don't like that. Leamiteo is right in the category of I just have no idea. I'd guess Borrokuei to be bad before Leamiteo, but thanks for bringing both of them up. I'll be curious to see if anyone else has a read on either of these players (who hasn't said so already).

And I agree, DP is flying waaaaaaay low. Too much for my taste. I mean, I realize this game has been absolutely INSANE, but still, it's Day 4 now. At least a post containing at least something would be nice.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So what if they haven't or wouldn't? I am merely speculating. What good are the civvies to each other if they don't communicate and speculate? I never outed any player once, ever, and I never proclaimed my opinions to be fact. The baddies can do what they want. Lest you forget, there are also civvies that can protect other players in this game.

You still have not exactly told me why you find me to be such a baddie. Can you seriously not think of any civvie explanation for my behavior or are you just THAT narrow-minded? You realize there are 20something other players playing this game and yet you refuse to actually suspect any of them except for me, now for three days straight?

Besides, you play your way. I play mine. And that makes me a baddie? Before you try and argue that I am declaring you to be a baddie, think again. You have already voted. I have not. Additionally, that is not the reason I find you bad.

I am orchestrating against llama? That is rich. I am the one actually attempting to throw out discussion on a wide variety of topics, and I even stated in my post I wasn't even sure I would be voting for llama. I had other discussion points. What do you have? Just MP, MP, and MP. Someone in your BTSC must have told you how easy it was to get me lynched.

That third paragraph is a pretty good example of why I find you to be a baddie. You make the supposition that you haven't declared me to be a baddie, and then just one sentence removed from that you say that you DO suspect me to be a bad guy. All of your posts this entire game have been filled with such wishy-washy, flip-flopping comments from you. I don't see any reason behind it other than as a potential failsafe in the event that one of your many far-stretching theories blows-up in your face you have something to go back to stating you were never fully commited to the idea.

I'm not sure what BSTC is but the only person I've been talking to is Daisy and I can say with the uttmost confidence and certainty that she is neither a civilian or a bad guy!

I wanted to cut this down, but I think the full quote is better.

You are intentionally misinterpreting what MP is saying. He said it is a different REASON as to why he finds you bad. So he was saying in that third paragraph that he still finds you bad.

I'm starting to feel you're twisting words that MP is using against you. He's not cleared yet by any means in my book, but I think you've made your way up there in terms of players I will be looking at today.

And in case anyone is keeping a running tally (:P), I am currently looking at A Person, llama, Devin, and BDH. I'm thinking there is a baddie among 1 of those 4. Possibly 2 depending on if certain people have certain roles I'm thinking of.

Linki w/ llama: Alright, thanks for the explanation.

I'm still looking at you today however.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:MP as you suggested, I did a complete re-read of BDH today - twice. I even took the time to summarize each post he made. I found him to be articulate and able to talk specifics about his suspicions of MP and oddly for me, I had had the exact same thoughts on most of what he said. (Not to get off on the subject of me but my suspicions have largely gone away by your turn around on llama MP.) In my opinion his arguments were logical and he has been consistent.

As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

I completely agree with this. Not seeing where the suspicion of BDH is coming from, and frankly I still think there's a reasonable chance that MP is bad. He would have had to about face on me regardless of his affiliation.

bea wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Devin! I was afraid that was going to happen. Good luck with work, your wedding, and any other upcoming endeavors, man! I'll let you know if I hear about anything related to Devy for sure!

juliets wrote: As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

Just wanted to comment on this really quickly. I can understand this train of thought certainly. But I haven't seen enough from BDH yet to make me think he isn't a baddie.

Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting. Couple that with the fact that I am getting a different feel from her this game and I think it's enough to keep an eye on her. Lizzy, is there anyone you are currently suspicious of? I wouldn't mind hearing more from you about where you currently stand.

I think that's it for now. Going to check and make sure I didn't miss anything.

I agree with you that the theory on lizzy is interesting.

While you say there's nothing from bdh that makes you think he isn't a civ is an interesting approach to take on a first time player. Why do you lean more automatically to "I've not seen anything that makes me think he isn't a baddie." I admit - he has some natural skill is there some reason you're wanting him to prove his civness? Something you see as bad? Did I miss something somewhere?

Matt F wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Matt's theory on Lizzy is very interesting.

Granted, I have probably used up the thread's goodwill after my theory on Llama, Dom, and JC, but note that this isn't conversations taking place in my head

Lizzy out of town, didn't post between Day 3 and Day 4, Trogdor didn't send in a PM (sure, I could be lying about the whole night protect thing, but I'd have to be pretty bold to do that!), Lizzy having two suspects - DP and Llama, one of which she is not interested in voting for and the other I believe to be civvie.

I dunno, it works in my head. Derp.

Linki

I'll let you know if I hear about anything related to Devy for sure!

juliets wrote: As for the subject of him only suspecting you, my impression was he's had a lot to say about you because, respectfully, you've had a lot to say. Some of the other people - re: the discussion we're having now in the thread - haven't said much at all when it comes to their suspicions. I definitely understand you asking BDH for his other suspicions but I also respect the fact that he feels like he's got something and isn't just letting it drop. All in all, after spending time with his posts I can't find a reason to suspect him. Others may disagree so it would be interesting to hear other opinions.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Hmmmm I didn't seriously consider a person but I suppose I should. Can you summarize why he's bad for me?

thellama73 wrote:
I don't have a strong enough gut feeling on anyone to say "that person is definitely a baddie!" I do know that the theory put forth by AP about the huts (that we should all refuse to send in our votes) would make sense only from the perspective of a baddie with teammates. When I pointed this out to him, his defenses did not reassure me. Instead of saying "oh, you're right, I didn't think that through" he came up with further nonsensical responses.

It is possible that he just didn't think it through, but it's the only piece of hard evidence I have and I feel that is worth something.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: I posted right before the post of MPs that you quoted; what is your opinion on Hedgeowl? If you posted it today, I might have missed it, I did not get a chance to read back yet, I am going to do that now.

Let me reread her and get back to you on that.

Okay, done. These are the things that stand out to me.

1. She is incredibly blendy. She never brings up suspicions or makes cases against people. She defends almost everyone, but not wholeheartedly. The only exception to this was on Day 2 when she brought up a suspicion of Dom, but she didn't really pursue it, just voted for him in the middle of the vote battle between me and Devin.

2. Her voting record looks bad. On Day 1, she defended Elo, then voted Vompatti to tie. She claims this is because she thought a tie might result in no lynch, which is possible, but that is not the way it is usually handled. On Day 2, she said I sounded civvie, yet refused to help me out by voting for Devin, of whom she had expressed no such opinion of civvieness. Instead, she voted for a person who was getting virtually no attention from anywhere else, Dom.

I'm really glad I did this reread, because her play seems to come straight out of the classic baddie tactical manual: "Blending for Beginners: A Step by Step Guide" by Horatio Badlington.

Are you serious? Half your point on number two is that I didnt come to your rescue as part of the Animal Sanctuary Squad! Everyone is starting to think you are civ and now you pull a mini No U? At the Day 2 people were jumping on llama - devin votes like their life depended on if (pun intended). I have actively questioned Dom and now the ball is back in my court because he said he missed it.

And my voting record? You mean my two votes? The Day 1 vote is the only reason people suspect me in the first place. As for blendy, you could say that about half the peope in the game. Some have barely even posted they are so overwhelmed. There are so many posts to just read that making cases and researching can take a lot of time.

Why are you manufacturing this case on me?

I will try to get to a computer tonight and address svs and dom by pulling quotes.

Hedgeowl wrote:THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING. FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL PASSENGERS PLEASE SLOW DOWN THE POSTING.

Seriously folks, it's been over 12 hours since I checked in, but I am pretty sure many of us were sleeping during that time. It makes it really hard to catch up and make a good choice voting today.