The Syndicate

This is the last thing I will post before I get lynched.

I was genuinely distracted and genuinely couldn't get my mind into this game. I think it was because I got really far behind around the holidays and was never able to fully catch up. I promise when The Tournament of Champions rolls around, I will do a much better job and be much more active then. Sorry again!

I went ahead and voted myself as well. Honestly, it's probably better I'm gone given that I never got my head in this game at all. Good luck to the civvies and get some baddies!

Lizzy wrote:
A Person wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
A Person wrote:test
hi asl
f/15/turku i'm home alone now and very scared winkw ink
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wtf your durnk

RIP Hedge!

Honestly, after what I just caused, and given I'm not around that much, I think it would be in the best interest of all civs if I was lynched the following day. Honestly, it would probably be a blessing for me because it would be one less game I'd have to keep up with. Sorry I'm being super-lame about it, but I guess that's the way it rolls sometimes. Hopefully with The Tournament of Champions I'll be able to get my head moreso into it.

Honestly, I was just making a vote for the heck of it. For whatever reason, I've been completely unable to mentally absorb anything in this game (or in Shawshank). I feel like everytime I come back to read, I missed either a lynch or a night period ending. I'm not sure what's going on with me, but I just haven't been able to get my mind into this game at all. I'll keep trying, but I would possibly be willing to be replaced because of it. Although if I get lynched today, I guess that solves that problem as well.

I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

kneel4justice wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand why you're not talking at night? I'd prefer to talk incise it is the last opportunity I have. Now my last post looks rude, because I did not follow your advice, and sorry if it is, it's not intentional. It is just not my style and I am not used to it. I believe if we have the opportunity to talk we should not waste time. I guess I just don't understand. I would feel comfortable answering anything, night or day, as townie.

The bolded is a realization I eventually came to after playing for awhile. I would much rather get all my thoughts and feelings out on the table. That way they can be examined if I end up getting killed that night.

Epignosis wrote:John Cena – No matter the odds, Cena always makes a comeback. He will survive the first attempt on his life. (SECRET)

Edge – One of the most underhanded, devious wrestlers of all time. Edge will slip out of the first attempt on his life. He sends in the kill for his team every even night.

Triple H – Triple H is the Cerebral Assassin, and strives to be the best in the world…at any cost. HHH will kill a player every night. He will survive the first lynch and night kill attempt on him. HHH must be the last man standing to win.

Odds are you're one of these three. I don't like those odds for you, no.

Nice observation there! I might have to reassess my feeling on Hedge.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote: Thank you to whoever protected me. I do not know how I survived.
Why do you think that you were protected and that Hulk wasn't blocked?
Well, I was including someone blocking Hulk as protecting me even if unintentional.

I could have said, "Thank you to whoever blocked Hulk, protected me, or in any other way prevented my death." However, I thought a simple thank you would be enough.

I'm always a bit wary when people survive a NK and claim to not know how they survived. But I'm willing to give you a pass because I feel you're a civvie anyway.

RIP Bullz!

WB Mongoose!

Interesting that there was no NK last night. Maybe the Heels were blocked?

Well, I don't feel comfortable voting for MP or SVS because I don't feel I have a good handle on it so far this game. And in the interest of not spreading the vote out even more, I'm not going to go with MR. Instead I'll go with Lizzy. She's one of the few players I could see being brazen enough to hint at being the SK and subtly mention it at some point in the thread.

Votes Lizzy

I don't have a lot to go on because I'm still trying to absorb a lot of info, but I'm most likely going to end up voting for MR. Something about him throwing away 2 votes in a row bothers me.

I'm sorry that I haven't been around since I got rezzed! Being incredibly busy the last few days, plus developing the flu today, plus being in 3 games has kept me from really even posting in 2 of them. I'm going to do my best to try and catch up though!

Also, please feel free to think of me from now on as 'The Syndicate Court Jester'.

I'm REALLY sorry about that. For some reason, I thought I was posting in my speed game, and didn't realize that I made that post in the wrong thread until just now. Please forgive me everyone!

*Goes back into his tiny corner sipping on zombie wine*

kneel4justice wrote:Jeez.
You people and your statistics!
Have we forgot about scum-hunting and only decided to play this game mathematically?

Well the numbers never lie. And if you can combine that with sound evidence, it's hard to ignore.

Granted, it's still a bit early to be going off of just that. But numbers and statistics do have their place in this game. If I didn't know better, I would think you were trying to talk us out of that train of thought.

Epignosis wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:This is getting silly.
So is your face, but I'm nice enough to not point it out all the time.
At least I don't hide mine behind a mop of unwashed hair, hippie.

Epignosis wrote:This is getting silly.

So is your face, but I'm nice enough to not point it out all the time.

Boomslang wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Excluding secrets being involved, this is what Matt/AP could be:

1) He is John Cena, and survived the first attempt on his life.

2) He's Shawn Michaels and stopped his own lynch.

3) He's Rey Mysterio and can't be lynched at all yet.

4) He is Edge, making him the ringleader for one of the baddie teams.

5) He is Triple H and survived the first attempt on his life.

Given that 4 of those are civ roles and 2 are bad, I would be inclined to believe that AP/Matt is good for now.
Wait a minute... That's five roles total, bro. Three good (not four), two bad or indie. So odds are slightly better that he's good, but it by no means should knock him out of further consideration. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that the "4" was just a derp, not hiding a HIDDEN AGENDA

It was a derp. I'm surprised no one else managed to catch that. Myself included.

And yeah, it definitely still puts AP in the "most likely civvie" category, but raises the odds that he could be a baddie.

Remember, I'm a Finance major, not a math whiz.

Linki: 4 LINKITISES NOW?!?! Brb going to become an axe murderer.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
FZ. wrote:I just lost a post I was working on. It's the second time it happened. Is there no way to make it reappear after it throws me offline?

And to the game itself. First, the players that came to play on Ksite told us you don't talk as much. What a load of crap There's too much to catch up. I don't know if I can do it.

Second, I wanted to say something about "random" votes. If there is someone here who actually throws all the names in the hat, stirs and picks one, I'll give them a hundred bucks. I don't believe anyone really randomizes their vote. At most, you do Eny meeny miny mo (or however it is you're supposed to spell it). My vote for Elo was because her "random" vote for Mongoose seemed like a very convenient way to vote for someone who already had votes with having to pay the consequences later. Hey, it was random, it's not her fault a civ was lynched, right? Besides, if you don't think any of the players is scummy at this point, why not just take those who don't have a vote at all and randomize between them? What if her random pick fell on the person with the most votes and she ended up lynching a civ? How is that better than voting for a person who's done even the smallest thing to pinge you, like you call it? Maybe she did do eny meeny. But randomizing makes less sense to me than giving the vote to someone who seems a little off to you and you want to give him the BOTD but you feel you need to take a step and vote. At least you're doing something. Sorry, I don't like randomizing, I don't like self voting and I don't like switching votes.
I went to this site http://andrew.hedges.name/experiments/r ... ckone.html and copied and pasted all the names and then it spit one out. so would you like to send the money cash or check lol

:P

Matahari wrote:
FZ. wrote: Ahaaaaaaaa. You people are way to advanced for me Still, my reasons stand. If you think someone is even a little suspicious, vote for them so if you're wrong, you voted based on what you believe. If you do it randomly, you have a really high chance of lynching a civ as well. And again, when you say you voted randomly, it's easy to avoid the suspicions later.
Dude, many ppl share your feelings but I find it a bit hypocritical coming from someone who has the right not to vote at all. The problem comes down to hating lynching a civvie on day 1. You might have a ping on someone, but it's really hard to actually get a baddie on day 1. I really like the way your site handles day 1; because it solves the problem of not being sure.

But we have to vote, so I don't hold it against people who choose to do what they feel the most comfortable with.

I don't really like the bolded part. I don't think that type of argument holds any merit here considering that it's a different site and different rules.

I might be saying this just because FZ's logic is the same as mine. But that one part of your quote doesn't seem like a valid debate or issue.

Linki

FZ. wrote:Second, I wanted to say something about "random" votes. If there is someone here who actually throws all the names in the hat, stirs and picks one, I'll give them a hundred bucks. I don't believe anyone really randomizes their vote. At most, you do Eny meeny miny mo (or however it is you're supposed to spell it). My vote for Elo was because her "random" vote for Mongoose seemed like a very convenient way to vote for someone who already had votes with having to pay the consequences later. Hey, it was random, it's not her fault a civ was lynched, right? Besides, if you don't think any of the players is scummy at this point, why not just take those who don't have a vote at all and randomize between them? What if her random pick fell on the person with the most votes and she ended up lynching a civ? How is that better than voting for a person who's done even the smallest thing to pinge you, like you call it? Maybe she did do eny meeny. But randomizing makes less sense to me than giving the vote to someone who seems a little off to you and you want to give him the BOTD but you feel you need to take a step and vote. At least you're doing something. Sorry, I don't like randomizing, I don't like self voting and I don't like switching votes.

I completely agree with you, especially on randomizing. But it's a discussion we've had ad nauseam and it never ends well so I won't say too much about it.

Mongoose wrote:Indeed, BWT. Things that fly (or somewhat do) on Day 1 (random voting, non-voting, vote trading, LP voting) don't really seem appropriate for Day 2. And I'm including myself in that as well.

Do you have any idea on how to can start laying the groundwork?

Not sure yet. Let me catch up and I might have some answers.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Excluding secrets being involved, this is what Matt/AP could be:

1) He is John Cena, and survived the first attempt on his life.

2) He's Shawn Michaels and stopped his own lynch.

3) He's Rey Mysterio and can't be lynched at all yet.

4) He is Edge, making him the ringleader for one of the baddie teams.

5) He is Triple H and survived the first attempt on his life.

Given that 4 of those are civ roles and 2 are bad, I would be inclined to believe that AP/Matt is good for now.
Very excellent analysis, thank you.

I agree, and especially based on his behavior thus far, Occam's Razor says it is more likely AP is civvie than baddie. Of course, I will constantly entertain the other possibilities, but you've proven a good point here.

So, what are your current thoughts as to how everything went down yesterday; have you formulated anything concrete yet?

I would keep it in mind too. I mean, that's a 1 in 3 chance of him being a baddie. So for now I'd say he's civ, and it will depend on how he continues to act throughout the game.

As for yesterday, I think the fact that the votes were spread out was mainly because, while there was a lot of talk, I felt like we had quite a bit of fluff too. So we didn't really nail much down yesterday. At least I don't feel like I did; I can't speak for anyone else. So in all honesty, it's probably good that we didn't have a lynch yet.

I'm hoping that if we can avoid a nightkill tonight, it would be even more advantageous in trying to lay some more solid groundwork.

Excluding secrets being involved, this is what Matt/AP could be:

1) He is John Cena, and survived the first attempt on his life.

2) He's Shawn Michaels and stopped his own lynch.

3) He's Rey Mysterio and can't be lynched at all yet.

4) He is Edge, making him the ringleader for one of the baddie teams.

5) He is Triple H and survived the first attempt on his life.

Given that 4 of those are civ roles and 2 are bad, I would be inclined to believe that AP/Matt is good for now.

Wow. An 8-way tie and we get no lynch. I think that's definitely a first.

I'm going to check the roles out again to see if they tell us anything about how Matt could have survived.

Going to go with Epignosis today. I feel like he started the whole questioning Mongoose thing and it doesn't feel genuine to me.

S~V~S wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Mongoose wrote:If we lynch any, I promise not to look them in the mouth!

And yes, I agree that a civ lynch has less impact on the game. The chances are SO high we will lynch a civ on Day 1 (I mean so, so high. 80%?) that I feel like a no-lynch is a nice respite. A chance to take a deep breath before being plunged in to icy cold water again for another day of The Tumble Cycle. (I wish I could narrate this for you).

We get one more day to get our bearings. Cause then if we do lynch a baddie on Day 2, we have enough info for the intel we gained from it to actually be meaningful and helpful.
Well, just for clarification, the odds of a civ lynch are (18/30)*100%, or 60%. If you include the independents, the chances go up to 70%, but as the role descriptions lead me to believe that at least two indies are last man standing roles, I don't think that's accurate. So it's not quite as hopeless!
Oooh, math'd! Thanks, that was cool, Boomslang. I'm visual, so it helped to see that.
Does anyone else think this sounded a little too....helpful?
Actually, I was just about to post a percentage post when he posted that, so I scrapped it. Although my point was a bit different~ yes it is only 60% (not 80% like Mongoose said) but that would only be the case if we all randomized with absolutely no discretionary info at all. And in a game with 2 bad teams, not one, they are as eager to catch each other as the civs are.

So no, I don't think it's too helpful; it is factual. But in Mafia even undisputable Math Facts can have a slant

I was referring just to Mongoose's comment there. Not Boomslang's original one.

Mongoose wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Mongoose wrote:If we lynch any, I promise not to look them in the mouth!

And yes, I agree that a civ lynch has less impact on the game. The chances are SO high we will lynch a civ on Day 1 (I mean so, so high. 80%?) that I feel like a no-lynch is a nice respite. A chance to take a deep breath before being plunged in to icy cold water again for another day of The Tumble Cycle. (I wish I could narrate this for you).

We get one more day to get our bearings. Cause then if we do lynch a baddie on Day 2, we have enough info for the intel we gained from it to actually be meaningful and helpful.
Well, just for clarification, the odds of a civ lynch are (18/30)*100%, or 60%. If you include the independents, the chances go up to 70%, but as the role descriptions lead me to believe that at least two indies are last man standing roles, I don't think that's accurate. So it's not quite as hopeless!
Oooh, math'd! Thanks, that was cool, Boomslang. I'm visual, so it helped to see that.

Does anyone else think this sounded a little too....helpful?

First off, yay game! Sorry I wasn't around on Day 0 at all! I just checked my role PM last night and I was very tired and worked at 5 AM this morning (bleh) so catching up now.

So far, there definitely feels like a divide in playstyle between the KSiters (I kind of figured they would be much more aggressive) and the Syndicaters (much more laid back in comparison). I think it will be interesting to see the dynamics that emerge (and have already started to) because of it.

Sorsha's "I am a civvie" comment pinged me slightly at first, but the more I've read, the less it's meant anything to me. So I'll let that one go.

I think it was an interesting catch by FZ on Mongoose coming off as "sweet" or whatever word applies best to that situation. Something to keep in mind.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just found this!!!

NO WAI!!!!! I have a new favorite smiley now.

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