The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:

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thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm at a loss at what we're supposed to talk about since we are voting for numbers today, and I guess the numbers could be any one of us. I guess I'll use the time to read over some players.

I don't think the numbers correspond to players, since there are more than ten of us. There have, however, been ten day periods so far.

Yeah, I didn't notice that before either. Nice catch. It makes me feel better about this not possibly being the endgame though.

On the down side, for some reason, I'm thinking of the "bomb" presents in Avant 1 and the bombs on the train carts in Electronic Mafia.

Great, now I'm thoroughly concerned again.

I wanted 8, but since it's already taken, I'll go with 9 being the next closest.

I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, but as much as I'm tempted to, it's probably better if I don't. I have no idea how sane/insane this coming week is going to be, with it being the first week of training for me. I'm leaning towards very insane. I'm going over to a friend's BBQ in a little bit, and when I get back tonight, I'll decide for sure which way to go and vote accordingly.

Damn! RIP Kyle! I thought we had that one nailed down for sure.

This is probably going to be my only post for this day period. About to go spend a night out drinking, and may or may not have time to vote later. Going with Kyle because the case on him seems fairly good from what I've seen. Hoping he ends up being Tyler.

Scratch that. I'm picking someone I trust to fight someone I don't trust then. And since the person I trust is wanting to fight, I think that works in their favor in terms of winning. I'm voting Timmer and Sorsha.

Linki: It's cool, man. Someone has to cover your ass anyway.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Keterman's vote for BWT will not be counted FYI.

I would assume the llama vote won't count either then?

I'm actually leaning towards going for two people I do not trust. I know it's slightly risky, because someone could level up from it, but there's also the possibility that someone who is bad might die in a fight. I'm thinking Sorsha and....someone else. Give me a minute to look the list over.

As to Timmer's ideas about Bullz and Keterman...

Not sure about Bullz honestly. I'll have to think on that one. I think your idea about Keterman throwing himself under the bus is a possibility. Either it's that or he is an unrecruited policeman who was unaware of LC being recruited. However, given what happened with INH, I think it's far more likely that any police that are still alive are recruits to Tyler's cause.

Of course, I also wonder if there's any way to look back via Keterman's posts and see if we can't ferret out who Tyler could possibly be.

timmer wrote:Thanks to the insane number of unrecruited civs who didn't bother playing, I'm pretty sure Tyler and the recruits are about this close (picture something really close) to winning.

In fact, I'd suggest that we have to not only hit a recruit in the next lynch but Tyler himself. This could be the last night before the last day. I've got to think...

Unfortunately, I would agree with this. I'm trying not to say too much, because right now, I'm REALLY hacked that so many people in this game have gotten modkilled. I understand some have legitimate reasons, but the host has now modkilled (if I counted correctly) over half of the people who signed up for this game. That's really, really sad to be honest.

Yeah. Unfortunately, I think it's a safe assumption at this point that all the police have been recruited to PM. And if Tyler has recruited every day....hmmmmm...

@Sockalex: I can almost guarantee you won't answer this, but does Tyler/PM win if he and his recruits outnumber all the other players?

thellama73 wrote:

"Practically confirmed civ," huh Keterman?

True, but it tells me a heck of a lot about Keterman now.

Also, llama, do you feel any different about your theory now? Or are your thoughts still the same?

Edit: Of course, you could also be saying that because of how terrible Time Warner is. So never mind.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, wow. FINALLY have internet. I specifically called Time Warner and was under the impression that they would be servicing me on Monday, but then I never received an appointment time like they said I would, so I called again to find out they hadn't scheduled me after all like they said they would, so it would be Wednesday. Not only that, but the service window would be 8AM-11PM and that I needed to be here for the guy to stop by. What a window. Well, no one ever stopped by. I called them and the automated message receiver said they DID in fact stop by, so I spoke to a rep who then told me that because I'm going with a lower connection that someone did stop by but didn't need to do anything then 'flip a switch' outside of my vicinity and that I did not in fact need to be here for it. Wow. But it clearly still wasn't working. So I tried the modem I'm renting from them in multiple outlets. Still nothing. So I had to wait until the store opened this morning so the router could be exchanged, and NOW I have internet.

So, I need to go through all my PMs, catch up on the thread here and calculate who has completed (or not) the posting challenge, then compile my post and give it to you guys. Seems we will still be on a morning schedule, for now; just in the interest of getting the game moving again, I do not want to wait until evening or extend this night period. Post coming ASAP. Apologies again for the delay, clearly I did not anticipate that my 72 hour window would not be enough, but I overestimated Time Warner.

You're the greatest, Alex! Glad the worst of the move is over.

So to you, him not having internet is the "worst of the move"? I wonder what that says about your priorities? :P

Long Con wrote:Well... I'm really not supposed to talk about it...

Don't blame you. Patient Confidentiality is an important thing after all.

Ooooooh. Well then clearly he needs to put the post up with his phone, darn it!

EBWOP: Of course, they told him the guy would be there in between 8AM and 11PM, sooooo.....yeaaaaaah.....

He said he has no internet yet and has been waiting all day for the cable guy to show up. So hopefully at some point tonight, we'll get a lynch post.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Unfortunately, with all the moving-halfway-across-the-country craziness, I suspect the lynch post could take awhile for Alex to get up.

Don't make excuses for him. :P

I could text him that if you really want him to hurry up. :P

Unfortunately, with all the moving-halfway-across-the-country craziness, I suspect the lynch post could take awhile for Alex to get up.

So this ends in about an hour, and we only have 13 votes... :/

Keterman wrote:Hermmm....

Sorry, but my name isn't Herman.

BUT I STILL HATE MUSICALS!

I'm really curious as to where all this sudden talk about "Player X/Y/Z/whoever is clearly good/bad", especially in relation to LC and llama. It's not like we have a trail of dead baddies/recruits to lock onto to narrow down our suspicions. All we have to go on is people's reactions.

But then again, I'm far more suspicious now of Keterman claiming LC is "practically confirmed town". How are you so certain of that, or rather, how do you know that he's town? Because I don't think there's any way to know for sure.

While I was sleeping, I think I flipped back again possibly on llama. But you're making my decision quite easy here.

Votes LC

Alright. So as it turns out, I will most likely be able to hold my vote until tomorrow morning. Still thinking either Sorsha or LC, so I will probably sleep on it before coming to a decision.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Llama: Slight ping. I feel like his theory relies too much on the cops not being compromised. And until I see some evidence that they aren't, I can't go along with him. Also, in b4 "you don't understand what I'm saying". Because I certainly do, but the part of your theory about the cops is the one part I can't agree with. Most likely, will not be getting a vote from me.

There is no part of my theory that is "about the cops." My theory is exclusively about Tyler and how he would react to the existence of cops. You don't understand what I'm saying.

Okay. Then I just disagree with you on how he would react to the existence of cops. So there. :P

thellama73 wrote:

timmer wrote:

Boogs wrote:Bea- Sorry I have not been able to get into this game at all and the style was throwing me way off with us not lynching or deaths etc. I asked to be replaced back on Day 3 tbh, and he told me to wait it out. I don't understand anything we have to go on in this game and don't understand how we are to win. So I've been coasting along and not participating because I have nothing to say and am lost. So I voted myself to get out but if you guys wanna vote me out as well I wouldn't mind. I think I may die anyway because I've been quiet.

Ugh, Boogs please don't do this. If you've got to replace out or whatever do so, I've certainly been in games where I got lost and didn't have a clue what to say or do. But don't pitch the idea of voting for you to die, I think we've got a bead on a few potential baddies here today and I'd rather we all focused on that.

Something tells me our gracious host's latest challenge will weed out a lot of the non-participants without us having to actually lynch them.

Yeah. I think this posting challenge is a last resort for the quiet people to speak up. Last time I checked, it was 8 or 9 people who were required to follow one of the mentioned posting challenges. And if he has to kill off those people, then that would mean the host mod-killed over half the people who signed up for this game. I can understand Alex being conflicted about that, because it potentially looks bad on him as a host. But at the same time, if people have made it to Day Freaking 8 Now and still aren't posting, I don't care if 100 people are playing at this point. You need to either ask to be replaced or start participating more.

/rant

Anyway, back to the game and current day at hand...

I think I've narrowed down my list of people I am willing to vote for in this lynch. I will probably be voting tonight, because I will not have much time tomorrow morning. My brother and I are going to the Reds-Red Sox game tomorrow afternoon, and it's about an hour after the lynch ends. But as for names:

Sorsha: A likely possibility to get a vote. I already covered why in detail, and her response about what LC's theory has to do with her pings me as well. I feel like she's almost trying to draw attention to herself. Either it's that, or she really doesn't get why she is being suspected.

Llama: Slight ping. I feel like his theory relies too much on the cops not being compromised. And until I see some evidence that they aren't, I can't go along with him. Also, in b4 "you don't understand what I'm saying". Because I certainly do, but the part of your theory about the cops is the one part I can't agree with. Most likely, will not be getting a vote from me.

Long Con: Slight ping. His response to llama felt like a very "we vs. you" thing, as if he's trying to make it seem like llama is on his own little island with no support whatsoever. If anybody is trying to pull an isolation tactic, it feels like LC to me. Not to mention his Dom vote feels incredibly opportunistic to me. A likely possibility to get my vote.

Unfurl: Not getting my vote. I think I'm done looking at her for this entire game, unless her behavior changes drastically or she becomes really erratic. That area just keeps turning up dead ends for me. :P

Boogs: Not getting my vote. If he's been wanting to get replaced, hasn't yet, self-voted today, and isn't posting, I think it's more likely the host modkills him at this point. And we have far better people to examine today.

I feel like I'm forgetting someone here. But I think that's it. Right now, I'm in between Sorsha and LC though.

I have to take off again. I'm going out with family with dinner tonight, but I'll be back this evening to discuss some more and vote.

Linki: But that's the thing. It was your post that went along with it that basically admitted to it being "for fun". It read the wrong way to me.

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, I've slept on it and thought a bit more on it, and unfortunately, llama, I don't think I can continue on with your theory. It hinges too much on the cops not having been compromised (which is something I worry has happened). If you can provide evidence to the contrary of how there is absolutely, positively, no way that this has happened yet, I'll hear it out. But otherwise I'm going to go in a different direction for today's lynch.

I don't think it hinges on that at all. It hinges on there being a period of several nights when Tyler considered the cops a threat, and recruited accordingly. If Tyler never considered the cops a threat from the beginning, then the theory falls apart, but unless Tyler is Vompatti or someone who does crazy things for the sake of doing them, I don't think that is likely.

Several nights where he consider them a threat? How would he not consider them a threat at any point during the game? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

If he doesn't consider them a threat anymore, it's because they're all dead. Which would also make your theory meaningless.

Let me try again.

My theory is as follows:

Assumption 1: Tyler does not want his recruits killed by the police.
Assumption 2: Tyler is capable of thinking logically and strategically.

It follows from these assumptions that Tyler will recruit people he thinks are unlikely to be killed by the police.

Why would someone be unlikely to be killed by the police?
1. The police are all dead, and can kill no one, so anyone is a viable recruit. (impossible for at least a few night periods.)
2. A majority of the police have been recruited, so they are no longer a threat, and anyone is a viable recruit. (impossible for at least a few night periods.)
3. The recruit is someone the police are not likely to check, meaning someone they trust or someone they haven't been paying attention to.

For the first few night periods, then, Tyler will have recruited based on criterion 3. Tyler's first few recruits are therefore people who the police either trust or haven't been paying attention to.

All of this follows logically from my assumptions. The theory has nothing to do with how effective the police actually are or whether they were later all recruited. It has to do with the fact that Tyler must have considered them a threat early in the game.

Is that quite clear now?

P.S. Long COn, I will address your post in a moment.

No, I get what you're saying. You're saying that you don't think Tyler views the police as a threat because of the types of people he is recruiting. And while I get where you're coming from, I don't understand how Tyler would not consider them a threat simply because of the types of people he is recruiting.

...and I just went back to look at the roles. I had thought this entire time that if the police found Tyler, that he died. And it turns out that is not the case at all. So it sounds like in order for Tyler to die, he either has to lose a fight or we have to lynch him.

Alright. I see how it's likely that you came to your theory now. I guess my one hang-up is putting enough trust in the police, when I consider the possibility that Tyler has recruited at least one of them and/or knows who they all are.

Linki w/ Hedgeowl

Sorsha wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys, just got back from my trip (Mongoose says hi) and I will try to catch up tomorrow. Tired now.

One thing I iwll say now is that I do not like the way the Dom lynch went down, and I will be looking into several people because of it. Good night!

Hi Goosey!

Long Con wrote:Ok, here is Long Con's Grand Unified Theory Of How Fighting Works. From what I've read, a lot of people know some things about fighting, so I thought over what I know about it, and here's my theory. There are several elements that seem to affect fights. I hope I'm allowed to talk about them all, but from what I have seen, the 'possibly secret' parts have already been pretty well discussed.

1. Fighting Level - we all (I assume) started with a fighting level. I further assume that most of us started at level 1, and that winning increases your level. People who have won can confirm or deny that, if they're allowed. I also assume that a higher fighting level means you're a better fighter. A level 1 fighter CAN beat a level 2 fighter, I had that host confirmed.

2. Individual Challenge - fighters each get to have a personal challenge against their opponent, which, when judged to win by an independent party, assists them in their fight.

3. The Unknown Factor - some base decision-making thing that is somewhat random, or, even better, players earn without knowing it. I already gave my opinion of what I thought would make sense: the amount a person posts during their fight.

4. Ummm.. I was thinking it over in the car, and I thought I had four factors, but I can't remember what the other factor might have been. Maybe there was only three.

So, it's something like this: (# of posts during the fight + winner of fight-challenge gets ten points) x fighting level = your fight outcome. The player with the higher outcome wins the fight. The greater the difference between the outcomes, the greater the injury to the loser. Too great a difference, and they die.

And that's my theory.

I like this theory and motion that we accept it as standard canon. I will say that, based on my experience, it's weird to me that people are denying knowing at all why they won. It certainly wasn't all spelled out for me, but very bug hints were given. So I'e got my eye on Sorsha now.

That's a good point about Sorsha. I had forgotten how she reacted to this idea originally. Might be another good place for me to look.

What does LCs theory have to do with me?

I can't speak for Russ, but I was referring back to this post:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 841#p75841

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright, I've slept on it and thought a bit more on it, and unfortunately, llama, I don't think I can continue on with your theory. It hinges too much on the cops not having been compromised (which is something I worry has happened). If you can provide evidence to the contrary of how there is absolutely, positively, no way that this has happened yet, I'll hear it out. But otherwise I'm going to go in a different direction for today's lynch.

I don't think it hinges on that at all. It hinges on there being a period of several nights when Tyler considered the cops a threat, and recruited accordingly. If Tyler never considered the cops a threat from the beginning, then the theory falls apart, but unless Tyler is Vompatti or someone who does crazy things for the sake of doing them, I don't think that is likely.

Several nights where he consider them a threat? How would he not consider them a threat at any point during the game? That doesn't make any sense to me at all.

If he doesn't consider them a threat anymore, it's because they're all dead. Which would also make your theory meaningless.

Alright, I've slept on it and thought a bit more on it, and unfortunately, llama, I don't think I can continue on with your theory. It hinges too much on the cops not having been compromised (which is something I worry has happened). If you can provide evidence to the contrary of how there is absolutely, positively, no way that this has happened yet, I'll hear it out. But otherwise I'm going to go in a different direction for today's lynch.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What I don't understand is why people were following my (basically random) vote for Dom. Given the fact that he flipped unrecruited civ, I think it looks bad. Furthermore, no one even gave a reason for following me.

Long Con wrote:I should vote now, could be my last chance. Not too sure about who's guilty here, so I vote Dom, because I think I owe him one.

That makes no sense.

As far as I can tell, Boogs gave no rationale for his vote at all.

Can you two explain your votes? Because I think they both look pretty shady.

LOL. You do this every game now, llama . I don't think you're allowed to call it a gambit any more.

This is not the Llama Gambit at all. I didn't vote for Dom to see if people would follow me, but since he flipped civ and the people who followed me gave no real reason for it, I find them suspicous and I suspect I will vote for one of them.

Boogs is someone I actually wouldn't mind looking at. The fact that he's posting in his speed game, and has otnly posted twice in this thread concerns me. That doesn't seem like him at all.

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys, just got back from my trip (Mongoose says hi) and I will try to catch up tomorrow. Tired now.

One thing I iwll say now is that I do not like the way the Dom lynch went down, and I will be looking into several people because of it. Good night!

Hi Goosey!

Long Con wrote:Ok, here is Long Con's Grand Unified Theory Of How Fighting Works. From what I've read, a lot of people know some things about fighting, so I thought over what I know about it, and here's my theory. There are several elements that seem to affect fights. I hope I'm allowed to talk about them all, but from what I have seen, the 'possibly secret' parts have already been pretty well discussed.

1. Fighting Level - we all (I assume) started with a fighting level. I further assume that most of us started at level 1, and that winning increases your level. People who have won can confirm or deny that, if they're allowed. I also assume that a higher fighting level means you're a better fighter. A level 1 fighter CAN beat a level 2 fighter, I had that host confirmed.

2. Individual Challenge - fighters each get to have a personal challenge against their opponent, which, when judged to win by an independent party, assists them in their fight.

3. The Unknown Factor - some base decision-making thing that is somewhat random, or, even better, players earn without knowing it. I already gave my opinion of what I thought would make sense: the amount a person posts during their fight.

4. Ummm.. I was thinking it over in the car, and I thought I had four factors, but I can't remember what the other factor might have been. Maybe there was only three.

So, it's something like this: (# of posts during the fight + winner of fight-challenge gets ten points) x fighting level = your fight outcome. The player with the higher outcome wins the fight. The greater the difference between the outcomes, the greater the injury to the loser. Too great a difference, and they die.

And that's my theory.

I like this theory and motion that we accept it as standard canon. I will say that, based on my experience, it's weird to me that people are denying knowing at all why they won. It certainly wasn't all spelled out for me, but very bug hints were given. So I'e got my eye on Sorsha now.

That's a good point about Sorsha. I had forgotten how she reacted to this idea originally. Might be another good place for me to look.

And yeah, the more I think about it, I think there is some truth that your entire theory hinges on the police not being compromised. If that is indeed the case, than your entire idea goes kaput.

That being said, I still plan on re-reading the theories from the 3 people I mentioned to see if I get anything out of it. I'm willing to try a new idea/method for one day period and see if I start getting answers to questions this way.

Linki: Yes it is. It came from me. :P

thellama73 wrote: linki: I am not saying that at all. I am suggesting that we do the baddie hunting, by hunting for the people Tyler would be most likely to recruit. My argument does not hinge on the police killing baddies, it hinges on Tyler at one point believing that the police might kill baddies.

You had me up to that point there. Personally, I would much rather try and find Tyler with his recruits. If he dies, the game ends and his recruits all automatically lose. Going after his recruits might help narrow it down as to who he is, but somehow I doubt it. Especially if it is the case that he can keep recruiting until he dies.

thellama73 wrote:Less suspicious people is not a euphemism for low posters. Low posters are often inactive and would not be beneficial to recruit. Less suspicious people are helpful, but not taking lynch votes.

SVS (and I can't believe I'm taking a side on an argument/discussion between the two of you again), but this is how I took Logan's meaning of the phrase. To me, "low posters" are certainly people who can be more or less suspicious depending on the circumstances. But "less suspicious people" are people who tend to fly under the radar through a variety of methods. While it could certainly be via not posting, I tend to find it's more often from appearing to be helpful, but trying to steer the thread in a certain direction or distracting us from what our main goal is.

I think Timmer, unfurl, and Long Con are 3 people worth going back and reading over. I plan on looking specifically at each of their theories and if any of them actually lead us to viable options to catch Tyler and his recruits. If any of them are not directly addressing those points, I will strongly consider voting for them today.

Linki

thellama73 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to lay out my rationale for voting for less suspicious players (not "quiet players," as I have been misrepresented as saying) one more time, since no one seems able to grasp it.

Imagine you're Tyler. It's Night 1. You have a pool of 29 players to choose from to recruit. You also know that each night the police can check one player and if they learn he is a recruit, can kill him.

Player X is shouting and being unreasonable and everyone thinks he might be bad. Player Y is being helpful and friendly and everyone trusts him. Which one do think the police are more likely to check with the hope of killing a recruit? I would say, and I imagine Tyler would say, Player X.

It would therefore be suicide to recruit Player X, who would have a high probability of immediately dying when checked by the police. It would be smarter to recruit Player Y.

Repeat for Night 2, Night 3, Etc.

Now, to address SVS' point, suppose that Tyler inadvertently gets a policeman on one of the early nights. He then gains the advantage of their BTSC and will certainly start trying to recruit other policemen. The police are unlikely to search each other early in the game, so he is pretty safe, but it would still be wiser to recruit policemen who are not likely to get lynched soon before moving on to the others. If Tyler recruits a poiliceman and he is lynched the next day, we will all learn that the police have been compromised, and the police will start checking each other as suspects, undermining Tyler's double-agent strategy. It is better to maintain the subterfuge as long as possible, by starting with the police least likely to get themselves lynched, i.e. nice, helpful, unsuspicious ones.

Why am I the only one who sees that this makes sense?

At the time of when I quoted you on the "non-suspects" post, I wasn't thinking of it in this way. But when you explain it out all the way, your theory makes a lot more sense. Basically, it sounds like we need to go after people who are flying low under the radar and/or appear trustworthy.

If that's the case, it might be worth it for me to take another look at unfurl. And I'm probably going with this strategy. I feel like I'm starting to run in circles in this game. And I could use looking at people from a fresh perspective.

Timmer would have been a particularly inspired candidate for recruitment, as well.

I would agree. I might even throw in unfurl and Long Con, since I know they are 2 other people who have been fairly helpful and coming up with different theories. I'll have to re-examine all of them though.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to lay out my rationale for voting for less suspicious players (not "quiet players," as I have been misrepresented as saying) one more time, since no one seems able to grasp it.

Imagine you're Tyler. It's Night 1. You have a pool of 29 players to choose from to recruit. You also know that each night the police can check one player and if they learn he is a recruit, can kill him.

Player X is shouting and being unreasonable and everyone thinks he might be bad. Player Y is being helpful and friendly and everyone trusts him. Which one do think the police are more likely to check with the hope of killing a recruit? I would say, and I imagine Tyler would say, Player X.

It would therefore be suicide to recruit Player X, who would have a high probability of immediately dying when checked by the police. It would be smarter to recruit Player Y.

Repeat for Night 2, Night 3, Etc.

Now, to address SVS' point, suppose that Tyler inadvertently gets a policeman on one of the early nights. He then gains the advantage of their BTSC and will certainly start trying to recruit other policemen. The police are unlikely to search each other early in the game, so he is pretty safe, but it would still be wiser to recruit policemen who are not likely to get lynched soon before moving on to the others. If Tyler recruits a poiliceman and he is lynched the next day, we will all learn that the police have been compromised, and the police will start checking each other as suspects, undermining Tyler's double-agent strategy. It is better to maintain the subterfuge as long as possible, by starting with the police least likely to get themselves lynched, i.e. nice, helpful, unsuspicious ones.

Why am I the only one who sees that this makes sense?

At the time of when I quoted you on the "non-suspects" post, I wasn't thinking of it in this way. But when you explain it out all the way, your theory makes a lot more sense. Basically, it sounds like we need to go after people who are flying low under the radar and/or appear trustworthy.

If that's the case, it might be worth it for me to take another look at unfurl. And I'm probably going with this strategy. I feel like I'm starting to run in circles in this game. And I could use looking at people from a fresh perspective.

Also, I did a complete re-read of unfurl, and am dropping my theory from before. I saw literally nothing in any of her posts that would have made me more suspicious of her. I would encourage someone else to read it if they felt they agreed with my theory, but I personally don't think it's worth that much.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I would almost imagine that the PM recruits have BTSC. But, I think that also lends credence that Tyler has a limited number of recruits.

All I can say about my fight, is that once it started, MP told me that the winner would be judged by a third party to determine who the "winner" was. So I have a good idea of how I won. And based on the varied responses, it definitely sounds like each fight is a different challenge.

S~V~S wrote:The only way I could see it working for Mayhem without BTS would be if maybe Tyler knew who they were, and could send directions or something like in the movie. You never know who might have been in Project Mayhem in the movie, it could be the guy sitting next to you on the train. Only Tyler know who everyone was.

So this could be a plausible scenario~ but the whole point of Mafia is the uninformed majority against the informed minority. So based on similarity to the movie, it is possible, but only if Tyler can direct the recruits in some way.

Knowing how Alex is with canon, I would bet this is a very likely scenario. Plus, I don't think he would give the entire team BTSC. Because if Tyler could (hypothetically) recruit ad nauseum, then that would mean they could win simply from him recruiting.

On second thought, maybe that last part isn't the case. But I still think it's incredibly likely that Tyler knows who all of his recruits are, and they know who is Tyler. But otherwise, I think that's it.

Basically, I had a theory. And now I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not. So I'm looking to see if others feel there might be a point to it or not.

And like I said, at some point today, I am going to do a re-read on unfurl to see if I can get anything else out of it. If I don't find anything else, I'll probably drop my theory. Because it's already fairly flimsy as it is.

Long Con wrote:So, BWT, what is the theory? Is it that participation in the thread is analogous to fighting when you're in the ring? Or is it that unfurl is bad?

Well, my theory was that unfurl and Canuck might be bad since they killed their opponents when they fought. But in Canuck's case, Elo didn't post at all during her challenge, so I'm not sure if that lends any credence to my theory, or (where I'm leaning) that it cocks the entire thing up and means squat.

And really, I would pose that question to everyone: Do you think it means anything, or is it a load of crock?

Canuck, what do you think of the theory I had been considering (the part about unfurl that is, not you)?

And I'm also fine with an MR and Keterman fight. Good luck to the both of you, gentlemen!

S~V~S wrote:
I had forgotten that you were able to prove your civvieness in that game, the recruit wasn't public knowledge, was it?

I also had a theory about dying in a fight, but when i looked back, I saw I was wrong. My theory was that it had nothing to do with who the dead person fought, it had to do with participating/not participating in the fight. I saw that Eloh did not post at all since before it was announced that she was a fighter. So I figured non participation was a no brainer for DP1 (DP2 where are you???), but when I went back, he HAD posted after his fight was announced, and I think that he did likely participate. So my theory lasted about 45 minutes. So I would like to hear other theories, too.

Unfortunately, I fell asleep in the middle of a big, giant post. But essentially, it was focused on exploring that idea. I knew Eloh hadn't participated in her fight at all, and I was shocked to find out DP actually had with his. My theory was that if Eloh and DP had both participated in their fights, and died anyway, that I would seriously consider that Canuck and unfurl were part of Project Mayhem, or extremely powerful roles at the least.

So I guess that ends up clearing Canuck. But my gut still has a funny feeling on unfurl, and I can't make it go away. Maybe it's because of DP's participation in her fight. Of course, we also don't know how the combat system works or what type it is, so this is all purely speculation. But it's the most solid idea I've come up with this entire game, so I wanted to explore it.

So yeah, most likely, my theory is completely moot now and doesn't mean anything. But like I said, I can't shake my feeling on unfurl and idk why.

Bullzeye wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Hmmmm...I actually feel like I have a lot to digest from these results. But I have to run out to my now-former store and then Sockalex and I are hanging out for a bit.

I do know I want to re-read unfurl and Canucklehead now. I have a nagging feeling right now about people who fight and manage to kill their opponent. But I want to see if my theory holds any water first.

I'd be interested to hear more about this theory, as I have one of my own that I don't really feel like I should share just yet.

I'm offering my vote tonight out to the first person to ask for it that hasn't yet won a fight.

I'll post it at some point tonight. I haven't been home terrible long yet, and I need to do some serious re-reading of the night unfurl fought DP 1.0 and Canuck. It will probably extend into full reads of all their posts. But if my theory is true, there is a strong likelihood that they could be Tyler and/or recruits of his.

Hmmmm...I actually feel like I have a lot to digest from these results. But I have to run out to my now-former store and then Sockalex and I are hanging out for a bit.

I do know I want to re-read unfurl and Canucklehead now. I have a nagging feeling right now about people who fight and manage to kill their opponent. But I want to see if my theory holds any water first.

So either Dom or Llama is going. Also, that's still a ton of missed votes.

Honestly, I don't get why people are missing votes in Sock games. You know he's already wiped out 10+ people in one lynch for not voting, and now he's implying he's about to do that again. Is it really worth it?