The Syndicate

Maybe all the dead players voted to kill Trice like we all voted to rezz Illy? That was my immediate reaction. Maybe Illy knows why Trice got killed>?

It's getting scary to see the number of recruitment possibilities there are.

Droopy, you voted for chaindeath even though it's basically been established that he was likely on the bad team and responsible for rabbit's frozen state?

I'm voting for Illy btw.

linki

Does anyone see any reason to not bring Illy back? I think we definitely need to keep chaindeath from coming back though.

linki: LOL. what she said.

DharmaHelper wrote:Timmer might be the Mysterious Voice
I'm not quite sure how the -1 poker thing affected votes against me. (Might have been -1 instead of +1 every time someone voted for me, for example)
Might have been a switch involved
Rey's smashing LT in the Night Post might have been a hint at something

These are just a few thoughts as to what might have gone on.

It wasn't a hint to anything that I could have done. My vote was just worth 1.

I'm definitely not voting to rezz chaindeath after the recent revelations. I dont remember anything about Devin and the only thing I remember from DFaraday was the early NK and SVS's comments about it being a strange target.

LT's vote for me is hard to understand, for sure. She obviously did not think she was in any real danger of being lynched, and voted for me to try to show that my suspicion of her was totally baseless and that I was just trying to stir the pot. IIRC, Timmer had 6 votes, DH had 4, and LT had 3.

Oh, wonderful host, MP: Was the lynch a tie?

I think it's safe to assume that Timmer is not on LT's team and that LT was fine with having Timmer lynched yesterday. How many votes did FH have yesterday? I think Dom brought up that LT didn't want to vote for FH because they are potentially team mates? That's an interesting idea...that's why I would like to know how many votes FH ended up with. The problem here, of course, is role secrets. There are so many of them, and we have no idea what most of them are. We do know for sure that one of the non civvie roles starts each lynch with -3 votes. It's possible that other baddies have vote manipulations in their role.

I'm interested to know Timmer's thoughts on the lynch result.

Good times.

I have no idea who should get the rezz yet. I'll have to do some research on this decision.

Another strange thing said by BWT...weird stuff.

What an incredible No U there, LT. At least you didn't try to be subtle about it. LMAO. I think it's kinda funny that you are going to such great lengths to try to make us believe that DH's posts served no purpose and don't mean anything and then you "No U" vote for me.

I guess that helps me realize that a vote for you is definitely warranted.

Vote: LittleTiger

EBWOP: date=data

LittleTiger wrote:
reywaS wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???
BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.

It was not "useless". It was a simple record of people that voted for both Droopy and Vomp with some added stuff about vote timing. DH did not in any way come to the conclusion that any one person in his vote post "must be bad". It certainly wasn't "useless" in that it got some great discussion going. I think he may have hit something with all the "oh my god, that date is stupid and useless and makes no sense" stuff TBH. A few people went a little overboard in trying to debunk DH's conclusions when he didn't even make any conclusions! I think he's on to something with the responses.

DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???

Theres no tension. Everyone loves each other.

My thoughts on FH and the book situation.....

The initial idea to pick a civvie color for the book seemed a little bit strange at first. I would think that any civvie would pick to see baddie secrets. But then I thought about it more. Knowing a civvie's secrets could be just as helpful as knowing the baddie ones. If you see a civvie's secrets and it helps you figure out a player in the game is a fellow civvie, that can be very helpful. It can help you figure out who you can trust and what not. Then, FH says she picked the color thinking that she was picking a baddie color. To me that seems a little bit suspicious. It's completely possible to make a mistake like that, but I wouldnt think that FH would be one to make a mistake like that. Then there's the decision to make Zappa's role secret public and it's a secret that the Zappa role didn't even know. That decision seems very pro civ to me. I dunno, I want to think that all this points to FH being civ..the only thing that is keeping me from definitely leaning civ on her is the "mistake" about the baddie color. I won't be voting for her tonight, though.

Could someone that won a book clear something up for me, purty please?

So, you won the book and could decide to read it or not? Did the simple act of you deciding to read it make it public, or did you guys have to make a separate decision to make it public? One of you may have explained this already, but all the talk about the books has confused me a bit.

S~V~S wrote:Maybe it is strange. Maybe he is lying about prizes, maybe he is hoarding prizes in a closet. That does not change the fact though that he somehow won a book and revealed a baddie secret, and she did not

So it is an interesting sidelight, and I hope he comes in and clears it up. But it does not make me less suspicious of FH.

I'm not trying to lessen any suspicion on FH.

I agree with it.

He's saying he won 2 prizes. He says he got the book from the poker tournament whereas FH and Kate say that their books came from the posting challenge. BWT says he won something completely different from the posting challenge. It all seems strange to me.

Kate wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:HM

Books

Also I think BWT meant 3rd in the posting challenge, and mistyped. That way would actually make sense.

And for the record I believe there are benefits for us to be able to know what other civs are capable of as well. I mean, Damo Suzuki just killed a civvie last night. Their actions affect us this game too, not just those of the baddies.
Huh? Chain death? Was he confirmed somehow?

I was about to comment on this, too. So, this is me asking the same question as Kate.

You don't think it's strange that bwt said he won a prize in the poker tourney for finishing 3rd when I finished 2nd and didn't win anything?

are you talking to me?

triceratopzeuhl wrote:HM

Books

Also I think BWT meant 3rd in the posting challenge, and mistyped. That way would actually make sense.

And for the record I believe there are benefits for us to be able to know what other civs are capable of as well. I mean, Damo Suzuki just killed a civvie last night. Their actions affect us this game too, not just those of the baddies.

But that's not what he said or meant. He later clarified that he did, in fact, win the book prize from the poker tournament and that he won some other prize from the posting challenge. If he misspoke, I would think he would come back and say so. This seems very strange to me.

Well, this is all very interesting.

BWT...So, you won a prize for finishing 3rd in the poker tournament? I finished 2nd and didn't win anything. The only thing I got from the poker tournament was the -1 vote which everyone ended up being a part of.

Epignosis wrote:When did Sheldon Cooper suddenly join in?

What a crazy start to the day...

Thanks for that, DH. And I agree that he wasn't drawing any conclusions as LT said he was with the stretch comment. I took it as DH looking for similarities in the two lynches. Based on the sheer number of baddies in this game, there had to be baddies in there, and it stands to reason that the last two lynches were pretty easy days for all the baddies. I can see them in their chats saying, "Well, looks like we don't have much to do today. The vote will be easy." That's why I said that I'd like to look a little deeper and see which people made the easy votes and didn't put a lot of content into their lynch votes.

linki x 4

DharmaHelper wrote:Big ass post incoming.

5. The Truth (Mr. Droopy) 2
12. The Truth (Vompatti) 10

6. birdwithteeth (Mr. Droopy) 3
17. birdwithteeth (Vompatti) 14

7. triceratops (Mr. Droopy) 4
15. triceratops (Vompatti) 12

8. rabbit (Mr. Droopy) 5
13. rabbit (Vompatti) 11

10. Flyin' High (Mr. Droopy) 6
16. Flyin' High (Vompatti) 13

11. Littletiger (Mr. Droopy) 7
2. LittleTiger (Vompatti) 2

12. AceofSpaces (Mr. Droopy) 8
4. AceofSpaces (Vompatti) 4

13. BoatsBoatsBoats (Mr. Droopy) 9
3. BoatsBoatsBoats (Vompatti) 3

16. Kate (Mr. Droopy) 11
6. Kate (Vompatti) 6

18. chaindeath (Mr. Droopy) 12
18. chaindeath (Vompatti) 15

Droopy Votes In Order:

5. The Truth (2nd Vote for Droopy)
6. BWT (3rd Vote for Droopy)
7. Trice (4th Vote For Droopy)
8. Rabbit (5th Vote For Droopy)
10. FH (6th Vote For Droopy)
11. LT (7th Vote For Droopy)
12. Aces (8th Vote For Droopy)
13. Boats (9th Vote for Droopy)
16. Kate (11th Vote For Droopy)
18. Chaindeath (12th Vote for Droopy)

Vomp Votes In Order:

2. LittleTiger (2nd Vote for Vomp)
3. Boats (3rd Vote for Vomp)
4. Aces (4th Vote for Vomp)
6. Kate (6th Vote for Vomp)
12. The Truth (10th Vote for Vomp)
13. Rabbit (11th Vote for Vomp)
15. Trice (12th Vote for Vomp)
16. FH (13th Vote for Vomp)
17. BWT (14th Vote for Vomp)
18. Chaindeath (15th Vote for Vomp

Analysis:

Groupings (within 1 Vote of each other each vote)
LT, Aces Boats.
The Truth, Trice, Rabbit
Trice, FH, Rabbit
Aces, Kate
Kate, Boats

Order:
Chaindeath is last on each list.

Nice analysis! Thanks for posting that...and thanks to FH for posting the vote orders.

LT: I wanted to see which people voted for both Droopy and Vomp and see the timing of their votes. I'm going to go back and read those people to see which one's, if any, jumped onto both Droopy and Vomp and didn't put a lot of thought into their votes. I think that might be telling and could result in finding some baddies. It's not a fool proof plan, of course, but I think it could be helpful.

Does anyone have the day 3 vote saved? I'm sure it's in the thread somewhere, so I can find it on my own if I have to of course.

Having said that, I would like to cross reference everyone that voted for both Droopy and Vomp and look at the timing of their votes. Specifically those that didn't put much thought into their votes. I think that would be a good place to look.

Kate wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:INH.

Pursuing legitimate thought and sheep voting are two different things, not sure how that's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm sure you'll elaborate though.
I'm sure you didn't mean for this to be as condescending as it came out. Just because someone is wrong does not mean they did not think nor does it make them a sheep. I have seen you be wrong on more than one occasion and did not see anyone make fun of you for it.

This.

DH, while I saw that the Droopy case was thin and thus didn't vote for him, there was legitimate evidence IMO to point to Vomp being a baddie. Are you saying that before all the votes started rolling in on Vomp that he just wasn't at all suspicious? You make me nervous with how aggressive you are being toward anyone that doesn't vote the way you are. Like Kate said above, just because someone is wrong doesn't make them sheep. I was convinced Vomp was bad...that's why I voted for him 2 days in a row. In hindsight it's easy to say that it was an "easy bandwagon" because he came back a civvie. With the number of baddies in this game, it's going to be very, very easy for all the baddies to jump on a case when it comes down to vote time.

Interesting thoughts on CBK as well.

After this last lynch and the comments immediately afterward, I'm getting a little suspicious of a few people....

I'm getting more and more suspicious of DH because of what Dom pointed out and the fact that he's been acting so sure of himself about these "bandwagons".

DharmaHelper wrote:Another shitty bandwagon ended in a civvie lynch?

Boomslang wrote:Just wanted to say: nailed it. Maybe a bit more independent thought next lynch?

These two posts do not seem like they are coming from a civvie tbh. The "I told you so" seems more like something a baddie would say to gain some civvie credit. The comments also seem more like that are intended to divide us even further....not constructive IMO.

Dom!! Nice to have you here!

S~V~S wrote:In Classic Rock at TP, he kept posting "Bump" in the thread for no discernable reason. I found him charming, and still do. Also has some awesome music

*bump*

reywaS wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm torn. On the one hand I don't want to drink the Kool-Aid and join the "coming up with my own suspicions is too much hard work so let's all vote for the same exact person every time" band.

On the other hand, my vote consistently does not matter and my cases are consistently being passed over. I may abstain from voting, I may vote Vomp, I may vote INH.
I understand what you are saying, but it's not accurate to say that everyone is voting for the exact same person every day. Just because people aren't lining up behind you right now doesn't mean that, if you are in fact a civvie, you shouldn't continue to express your suspicions and vote how you want to. I felt like you in the last lynch when everyone jumped on Droopy when I voted Vompatti. I don't see the same thing that you do in your suspicion of INH, and Vomp has done absolutely nothing to change my mind on him.

I didn't mean for this to make it sound like I'm suspicious of you. I only meant that civvie DH is someone that I respect the skills of.

vote: Vompatti

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm torn. On the one hand I don't want to drink the Kool-Aid and join the "coming up with my own suspicions is too much hard work so let's all vote for the same exact person every time" band.

On the other hand, my vote consistently does not matter and my cases are consistently being passed over. I may abstain from voting, I may vote Vomp, I may vote INH.

I understand what you are saying, but it's not accurate to say that everyone is voting for the exact same person every day. Just because people aren't lining up behind you right now doesn't mean that, if you are in fact a civvie, you shouldn't continue to express your suspicions and vote how you want to. I felt like you in the last lynch when everyone jumped on Droopy when I voted Vompatti. I don't see the same thing that you do in your suspicion of INH, and Vomp has done absolutely nothing to change my mind on him.

juliets wrote:I clicked on "View Results" but all I can see is that 2 people voted for Vompatii. I can't see who voted.

Really? That's weird. It shows up normally to me. Epignosis and LT have voted Vompatti btw.

DharmaHelper wrote:You don't think his snarkfest was pingy?

Yeah, but is it a sign of INH being bad? Based on his mafia history, I honestly do not know. Like I said, he's not acting like he has in recent games where hes been a baddie. Maybe he's just making more of an effort to stay involved in the game than he has previously...that is certainly possible. He could have team mates urging him on maybe....

I read your posts, DH. The problem I'm having with INH is that his play is always harder to read than most....sort of like Droopy's actually. What I've noticed about INH when he's been bad recently is that he completely disappears when suspicion is brought onto him and he doesn't answer direct questions to him. From what I've seen so far in this game, he hasn't backed away from anything.

You don't think Vompatti is the way to go for this lynch?

linki: I'm open to discussion for this lynch as well.

DharmaHelper wrote:Just call me Ol' One Chip.

At least I'm not a Stool Pigeon.

I don't know if I've ever seen a secret seemer role before. I think every time I've been in a game with a seemer, it's been a known role ability.

Why make that speculation at all, though? If what you are proposing is just a theory, it's one that could be made for anyone thats lynched.

Bazinga

Come drop some cash in the poker thread.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: I am the best at poker so watch out.

Don't look too hard. He's also the best at fantasy football and basketball.

Great to have you back, Droopy!!!

I'm definitely in for this poker tourney.

Perhaps INH KNOWS that there is such a role.

I should clarify that last post...I agree with the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of your post.

S~V~S wrote:
BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:With the recent trend (excluding bea), I think it would be more effective if we were to place our suspicion on those suspecting people. Of course, this makes me guilty, but I think some people are pulling our stings.
In all fairness, Droopy really did sound coached. I know that there is civ BTS in this game, and that Cap'n Beefheart is one of the roles with potential for it. I guess it is possible that Zappa found him already. Although the coached sounding things Droopy was saying were baddie sounding things, lol, things I don't see a civvie partner couching him to say.

I will say that with more experience under his belt, Droopy will be an awesome player (Leech as well), he had me wondering at the end; I hope he keeps playing. Sometimes if you are convinced someone is bad (and I was convinced he was bad, and since there was no question he would be lynched, I voted for the other person i am pretty convinced was bad, Vomp) it can be easy to read everything they say in that light. It is a common mistake, and i don;t really suspect anyone for doing it in this case.

Unless there is an outing or some astonishing development, I intend on voting for Vomp. When I reread Day One (something I would advise doing) I realized i had forgotten how suspicious Vomp really was during Day One. And the fact that there was this incredibly suspicious character that seemed to be everyones second choice for a lynch floating around when Bea needed saving, and that the Residents did not try to lynch him, but Rabbit instead who is not an easy person to lynch, really makes me think he is quite possibly a Resident himself.

I agree with this.

I think I can trust DH at this point, so his suspicion of INH is noted. I think we need to lynch Vomp next though. There is way too much there to ignore.

insertnamehere wrote:RIPIWG Droopy, I still think that he could be bad, but that's just a theory.

Please share this theory. Theories are good.

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