The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:
reywaS wrote:I tried once to get recruited..the first public one. After that I became committed to staying neutral
We saw your photobucket info on the picture

lol yeah Tranq told me about that in IRC.

I tried once to get recruited..the first public one. After that I became committed to staying neutral

for some reason every time I see or hear the word "meta" I immediately think of The Dark Tower VI: Song of Susannah.

Golden wrote:Hey, even when you are bad you really want other baddie teams out of the way. The person who cursed me might well have been a civ, I just don't know.

I played this game really badly, but it really was my first game ever where the affiliations weren't basically set up front and straightforward. It was quite an experience, and I clearly played it all wrong.

I regret my early approach to this game, and I felt really really bad after your lynch. It was totally the wrong way to go about this game. I tried play like I would a civvie role, and that was bad strategy...for me anyway. I should have approached like I would a traditional LMS role, which I have had success with in the past. Please accept my humble apology.

Ricochet wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:Speaking of reywaS, so glad I risked trying to keep him from getting lynched so we could try and use him as an ally Congrats on your win, reywaS!!!

Linki: Good thing we didn't have to find out
I was very happy to have you as an ally! Even though I knew it probably meant you were baddie mcbadderson. After Turnip Head came out with the "reywaS is the Rogue Mercenary, let's get him!", I thought i was sunk.

This was a roller coaster game for me. I thought I would be recruited by night 5 when the game first started, and when I went after Golden that was totally genuine. When he got lynched, I knew that there was no way I was continue to survive by being as aggressive as I was. Then after day 5 when I got my epic challenge (which was to not take a single lynch vote between day 6 and 10), I knew the only chance I really had to complete it and survive was to go full DisPor and disappear into the background. On day 9 I think it was someone (nutella?) had a vote on me for a while and I thought for sure I was going to fail. Then she moved it thankfully.

Great game!
I became unNKable
What was your reward for completing the challenge? The mysterious figure thing?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Speaking of reywaS, so glad I risked trying to keep him from getting lynched so we could try and use him as an ally Congrats on your win, reywaS!!!

Linki: Good thing we didn't have to find out

I was very happy to have you as an ally!

Even though I knew it probably meant you were baddie mcbadderson. After Turnip Head came out with the "reywaS is the Rogue Mercenary, let's get him!", I thought i was sunk.

This was a roller coaster game for me. I thought I would be recruited by night 5 when the game first started, and when I went after Golden that was totally genuine. When he got lynched, I knew that there was no way I was continue to survive by being as aggressive as I was. Then after day 5 when I got my epic challenge (which was to not take a single lynch vote between day 6 and 10), I knew the only chance I really had to complete it and survive was to go full DisPor and disappear into the background. On day 9 I think it was someone (nutella?) had a vote on me for a while and I thought for sure I was going to fail. Then she moved it thankfully.

Great game!

Black Rock wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:My favorite part of the game was when I tried to lie detect this statement.

Long Con was all for it and Black Rock was like WTF guys?

reywaS wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
reywaS wrote:Damnit...sorry I missed the lynch. I've been busy this afternoon/evening...I thought i had until closer to 11pmEST. Oopsie. Looks like it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
You had until 11:12 EST
sorry..I meant 11 pm central time. I'm stoned.
How the F was I supposed to know if it was true? Fly over to reywaS and look into his eyes?

I could have taken a picture for you.

Welcome back, S~V~S!

well well well

The BE thing did seem to come out of nowhere.

Nice try, unknown entity.

no it says eat shellfish

fo shizzy

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:which position should I vote for?
I would suggest 1. Or 2. Perhaps 3? Maybe 4. 5 if you like.

Thank you...I was thinking 6.

which position should I vote for?

Black Rock wrote:
reywaS wrote:Damnit...sorry I missed the lynch. I've been busy this afternoon/evening...I thought i had until closer to 11pmEST. Oopsie. Looks like it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
You had until 11:12 EST

sorry..I meant 11 pm central time. I'm stoned.

Damnit...sorry I missed the lynch. I've been busy this afternoon/evening...I thought i had until closer to 11pmEST. Oopsie. Looks like it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

I care

Turnip Head wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I see you chose not to act last night Rey.
Or maybe he had an out of body experience.

Long Con wrote:G-Man has been killed by a mysterious figure.
or maybe not lol
Can't argue with that

I felt the only response to an impossible argument was to propose one of my own.

I would, but it's a very lonely place. My other personalities have gone silent.

Turnip Head wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I see you chose not to act last night Rey.
Or maybe he had an out of body experience.

Long Con wrote:G-Man has been killed by a mysterious figure.

or maybe not lol

S~V~S wrote:Quiet living people make me sad

Dead S~V~S makes me sad.

Good morning, errrbody

Turnip Head wrote:
reywaS wrote:Ok, I have a question about the whole "let's definitely lynch llama tomorrow" thing. I could very well be missing something here, but that's the purpose of the question.

Why is llama the obvious choice to be a team mate of nutella rather than, say, Turnip Head or Bullzeye who were the most vocal advocates for abandoning the idea of lynching nutella in order to get rid of me?
Don't kill me plz

No U

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:Ok, I have a question about the whole "let's definitely lynch llama tomorrow" thing. I could very well be missing something here, but that's the purpose of the question.

Why is llama the obvious choice to be a team mate of nutella rather than, say, Turnip Head or Bullzeye who were the most vocal advocates for abandoning the idea of lynching nutella in order to get rid of me?
Llama was likely to have been rezzed by LA. Her role had a rez in this position. Do baddies often rezz non-teammates, in your experience?

Linki - I went off the post detailing all living and dead players, which doesn't include failed kill attempts. I literally listed the four names on the dead list described as killed by the Mercenary.

Fair enough. Very useful info.

Also, Bullzeye, I noticed that this post left out a pretty big detail.

Bullzeye wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:I do like working with/listening to people who sound genuine.
You know he's just saying whatever he has to in order to stay alive, right?

If he's the SK then he probably needs everyone dead to win, that's what SK means. Good luck with that
I'm not blind to this possibility. To kind of piggy-back Sorsha's post: How many baddies have we lynched this game? How many baddies do you think RM has killed. Right now it feels like the odds are that he has done more good than we have. That may just be me, though.
The Mercenary has killed:

JJJ - 90% sure not a baddie.
Ricochet - As above.
Llama - Uncertain, could go either way. No longer dead anyway.
Tranq - Maybe he was bad? I lean more bad than good tbh.

nutella - NK attempted and failed on night 8

In my opinion he has at best a 50% success rate. Which is better than the success rate of our lynches sure, but still not good. I don't see why we'd trust him anyway. He will kill people that are a threat to him. Nobody is playing to let other teams win.

I also found it interesting that bullzeye left out the RM's failed attempt to kill nutella on night 8.

Ok, I have a question about the whole "let's definitely lynch llama tomorrow" thing. I could very well be missing something here, but that's the purpose of the question.

Why is llama the obvious choice to be a team mate of nutella rather than, say, Turnip Head or Bullzeye who were the most vocal advocates for abandoning the idea of lynching nutella in order to get rid of me?

I would like to thank everyone for not lynching me this day.

nutella has been eerily silent through all of this.

we really live in a crazy world when Must survive to win = can't win with anyone else.

nah. The pope just touched down state side. I have no shit list. Those black and red robes scare me.

Turnip Head wrote:Ironically enough, I think me calling out Rey as the SK is what will force him to stop killing willy nilly and choose a side. I don't think he can be trusted long term (he's claiming to not be LMS, and while the role doesn't explicitly state that it's LMS, I don't think it's a reach that it is). And if he's telling the truth about not being LMS, then even more ironic is that his best bet for a swift endgame would be to kill the civvies who are probably fewer in number than the baddies, and those are probably exactly the people who have been forced to put their hope in Rey's murderous hands. But I don't think he'll do that, and in any case I'm happy with the work I've done here today

That said I think Sorsha makes an excellent point about us being in Position 3 and being able to nullify Rey's potentially harmful actions in the short term. I'll switch my vote to nutella in the hope that it takes me off Rey's shitlist.

With that avatar, I would never put you on a shitlist.

Bullzeye wrote:Inb4 saying that means I'm her teammate as if there was a response you'd have been happy with.

Nope. That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say regardless of your affiliation.

So, why don't you tell us how you feel about nutella then?

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:In my mind: The biggest threats to the RM right now are the baddie teams. The biggest threat to the baddie teams, atm, is the RM.
I think Bullz is bad. Why else would he be fighting so hard to get rid of a "danger" that just has to survive to win.

Linki: yes. There would be dire consequences for role-hinting at that scale. I'm sure it's in da rules somewhere.
Why am I "fighting so hard"? Because nobody seems to want to lynch you all that much today, so I'm going with my other suspect. I'm not pushing other people to vote him, half of what I'm saying is just defending my viewpoint. If he is the Mercenary, there's no reason to trust him. If he isn't, then he's bad and should be lynched.

OR....

nutella is your baddie team mate and you are pushing this so hard to save her. Thinking objectively, that is a very real possibility, no?
I'm not pushing against her lynch. I don't care about her lynch. I haven't voted for her, but I've not pushed anyone to not vote for her and I'm not pushing people to voting for you. I'm literally just responding to things people say to me or say about my opinions. Should I ignore you instead? That'd be rude.

Seriously, you're literally just saying this because I want you lynched. I've not said a word in Nutella's defense and I'm not going to. I think you are bad or at least a dangerous role who has shown himself happy to kill civs, so I'm voting for you. Every word I say, you've got a critical response to. I'm not going to ignore someone trying to defend themselves but I'm not going to change my opinion because you threaten to suspect me for it.

Why in the world would you self connect to nutella if you were her team mate given the current status quo? This is another strawman, Bullz.

Sorsha wrote:Ok... But do you know who all the baddies are? How will you decide who to kill?

I do not know who all the baddies are. If I were the RM, self preservation would probably make that decision.

Bullzeye wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:In my mind: The biggest threats to the RM right now are the baddie teams. The biggest threat to the baddie teams, atm, is the RM.
I think Bullz is bad. Why else would he be fighting so hard to get rid of a "danger" that just has to survive to win.

Linki: yes. There would be dire consequences for role-hinting at that scale. I'm sure it's in da rules somewhere.
Why am I "fighting so hard"? Because nobody seems to want to lynch you all that much today, so I'm going with my other suspect. I'm not pushing other people to vote him, half of what I'm saying is just defending my viewpoint. If he is the Mercenary, there's no reason to trust him. If he isn't, then he's bad and should be lynched.

OR....

nutella is your baddie team mate and you are pushing this so hard to save her. Thinking objectively, that is a very real possibility, no?

Sorsha wrote:
Sorsha wrote:True- I guess I just don't really understand why he came forward with this...
This was a reply to devin

Rey- like I said before though. We have no way of knowing if you'll turn against the civvies. If you decide to NK a civ (I'm not sure what the civ:bad ratio is right now) we might not have the numbers to lynch you.... And who knows what you got for completing your epic challenge. And the civvies only get their NKs on certain positions so it's not that easy for caelia or Ahriman to take you out.

I'm just not sure it's worth the risk.

How would you decide who to nk? Who would you listen to?

But....there is an obvious way of knowing.

Think of it like the real world. Someone says they are your friend. You believe them. They steal your boyfriend. Is that person still your friend?

FWIW I didn't come forward with this idea. Turnip Head did.

Bullzeye wrote:
If the Rogue Mercenary is not recruited by night 5, he will turn SK, he will then start killing nightly and will no longer be able to be recruited
So what allies do you have, Rey? If you really are the Mercenary who has been killing nightly since JJJ on Night 6. It's clear the Merc went unrecruited.

Curious what you left off of that....

If the Rogue Mercenary is not recruited by night 5, he will turn SK, he will then start killing nightly and will no longer be able to be recruited. Has to survive to win.

You are setting up a strawman argument, bullz. That sounds dubious to me.

Linki w/ Sorsha: Why would anyone other than baddies want me dead via a lynch? There is a lot of potential baddie motivation for this. I can't see a lot of civvie motivation for it. I guess baddies would rather lynch me because it wastes a lynch and saves a NK. win/win for a baddie team.

other linki

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote: hyperbole is the perfect description of what you are proposing. Thank you for saying it.

Also...why do you assume to know how I would approach a survive to win role?

This all sounds like something a politician would say. "Look everyone, let me show you who your enemy is even if you don't think they are."
I don't know how you specifically would approach it but I'm not stupid, I know how such roles are played. I'm not saying you're people's enemy, I'm saying you're a danger even if you want to deny it. You're promising the world to people knowing you can't follow through. You can't be everyone's ally. Don't act as if you can.

What? This is a silly argument, Bullz. You are setting me up to be the ultimate danger to everyone left in the game when the truth doesn't support your idea. A role that doesn't "need" anyone dead can only have a certain number of allies? I don't follow that logic. If I were thinking critically about this, I would say that it would be quite easy for such a role to sit back and not kill anyone.

and I very much DO have allies. You saying I don't goes against logic and reason.

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:Beware those that are turning me into a huge distraction today. Ask yourself why there are people pushing this agenda of me being super dangerous to everyone and therefore must go ASAP considering the role they claim I am has a very obvious "Survive to win" win condition listed.

Look at the fear pushing of bullzeye for example. In this pretend world you've created, what would be the point of night killing people that are supporting me? That would be awfully short sighted, would it not?

Fear the fear pushers, friends.
You'll survive with whoever you want to survive with - i.e. whoever is easiest to survive with when it all comes down to it. That's not fear pushing, it's stating the obvious.
So...killing allies is taking the easy route in your scenario?
No, but you have no allies. Not really. Everyone has their own team and is mostly invested in protecting their own. Nobody needs you around. Similarly, you don't need anyone in particular. If you thought Devin was a threat or didn't think continuing to be allied with him was a worthwhile option, you'd kill him without a second thought. Obviously you probably won't actually kill him tonight, that was hyperbole. But you'll kill him the second you think it's worth it and there's no point denying that.

hyperbole is the perfect description of what you are proposing. Thank you for saying it.

Also...why do you assume to know how I would approach a survive to win role?

This all sounds like something a politician would say. "Look everyone, let me show you who your enemy is even if you don't think they are."

Bullzeye wrote:
reywaS wrote:Beware those that are turning me into a huge distraction today. Ask yourself why there are people pushing this agenda of me being super dangerous to everyone and therefore must go ASAP considering the role they claim I am has a very obvious "Survive to win" win condition listed.

Look at the fear pushing of bullzeye for example. In this pretend world you've created, what would be the point of night killing people that are supporting me? That would be awfully short sighted, would it not?

Fear the fear pushers, friends.
You'll survive with whoever you want to survive with - i.e. whoever is easiest to survive with when it all comes down to it. That's not fear pushing, it's stating the obvious.

So...killing allies is taking the easy route in your scenario?

Beware those that are turning me into a huge distraction today. Ask yourself why there are people pushing this agenda of me being super dangerous to everyone and therefore must go ASAP considering the role they claim I am has a very obvious "Survive to win" win condition listed.

Look at the fear pushing of bullzeye for example. In this pretend world you've created, what would be the point of night killing people that are supporting me? That would be awfully short sighted, would it not?

Fear the fear pushers, friends.

Turnip Head wrote:I think making a deal with the devil is just asking for trouble. Good luck trying to control a guy who doesn't pay attention, doesn't care who he kills, has completed his Epic Challenge, and needs everyone dead.

So much conjecture in this post.

Have you read the role that you claim I am?

Canucklehead wrote:Actually, re-looking at the roles, RM doesn't need to be dead for either civ teams or baddies to win...... so I was wrong about that...... but I do think he's a threat, especially since he claims to not be paying attention and is therefore just as likely to kill civs as baddies.

this is slightly inaccurate. I said that I AM paying attention now. The past is the past. I can't go back in time. The game is at a more manageable place, and I promise to not fall behind again.

thellama73 wrote:Rey's chamioning of neutrality struck me as odd, almost forced. I think he was recruited sometime between this:

reywaS wrote:Ok, I feel like I've caught up enough.

I voted DrWilgy because I don't like the votes on S~V~S and llama. They both feel civ to me, and in fact I agree with S~V~S post on Bullzeye talking about how he's been around plenty but didn't have any solid opinions on anyone. Then bullz got kind of defensive and then maybe went a little overboard trying to make up for his previous lack of opinion. Bullz definitely came off as baddie to me in that exchange.
And this:

reywaS wrote:vote llama

what the hell
His posts have also seemed less substantive since then, like he is trying to hide in the background.

So, obviously you do not subscribe to the rey=Rogue Mercenary theory?

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