The Syndicate

The thread feels toxic.

I will be back a few minutes before poll ends as this game is no longer fun today.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, fuck PhD work for a little bit, I can squeeze in a few more posts.

I see what's going on here. Well played, Jay and Rox.

Well, I'm absolutely bad. Go ahead and vote for me. Golden and I are baddie teammates. I'm 100% serious. I'm voting Golden because I've sloppily tried to bus him and you all caught me. Nice job!

I have said nothing about you being bad.

I am not going through all the crap with you again.
You are itching for a fight and am not going to be the one to give it to you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is Golden being such a distraction entirely his fault? What of the people forcing him into that position including Epignosis?

Exactly!

Devin the Omniscient wrote:REASONS:

Golden wrote:Thank you, Lorab. No-one should feel they are obligated to give me a pass for a day, but my self-vote definitely came from a place of feeling helpless because it felt like I already had a whole bundle of guaranteed votes plus I wasn't going to be around to defend.

Plus, I've realised that I can turn this around by actually catching Azura, and my lynch is not necessarily inevitable, so now that's what I'm focussed on. If its someone like rey, and they are lynched and flip, it would then be obvious it isn't me killing epi.

reywaS wrote:

Golden wrote:I would ask those who are less inclined to feel absolutely certain of me, like lorab and timmer, to consider giving me a pass today given I won't be around a whole lot more for robust conversation and defence. I ask this because I get the strong sense that (because I won't be around) I'm going to be the easy location for drive by votes at end of day.

It's ultimately up to you guys, but if you really want to lynch me more on a hunch or being the 'best option' than anything else, I'd really like if it can be on a day where I can have proper conversation around it, more than I'll be able to today.

Are you shitting me, Golden? So...give you a pass and lynch me instead...is that it?

For fuck's sake, man.

Actually, everyone please take Golden's advice and give him a pass because he isn't going to be around to defend himself anymore than he already is.

Seriously, lynch me. I really don't think that I was ready to come back to mafia yet...especially not in such a large game. I think I probably should have started with a small game. I'm getting way too worked up and seeing this post has really grated on my nerves.

Vote: reywaS and I urge the rest of you to do the same.

^^^ Focus on the Golden quote here.

S~V~S wrote:I have got to say that today has been the MOST emotionally manipulative day I have ever read, lol.

I am happy with my vote where it is.

Boomslang wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Boomslang!

Vote Boomslang

aapje is going to murder me

I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to defend my points on Golden when the guy is literally asking to be lynched. That's all I needed to know for today, honestly.
*votes Golden*

Lots of reasons too bad none are yours.

MP - what are you on about? Your vote looks shady as all get out.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Penny for your thoughts?

I also just realized I have something like 15-20 of the 20 or so most recent posts. Makes me feel like I'm talking to myself.

Going to go on a walk and I'll be back.

I wil expand on my ponder when my boss leaves.

DrWilgy wrote:*Pokes head over the window seal, looks inside to see Golden vs. the world still happening, ducks down just as quickly as he appeared. Some scribbling is heard, and a note appears on the window seal, nobody seems to notice the note though.*

I noticed the note but could not read the scribbling

How about you read it to me.

Teeth you are quick to call out Lorab but not your buddy MP. why? He is voting for Golden bc of his self vote. How is it any different than lorab?

I am not sure how I feel about the responses I got so far from my last post. There are people who were not even on the list I have issues with - I wish I had more time.

I will mull over the responses and await the rest to respond.

Prob be around when my boss is not around.

ebwop

JJJ - I am not SURE if like unfurl the set up of this game seems to be affecting your usual rhythm of playing. I am just not feeling "it". Can't put my finger on it or point to any one post but something feels wrong about your game this time around.

Thoughts on today -

Golden - wtf why the self vote? I really hate when players do it but I get you are sick of playing under constant scruntiny. I personally have not and still do not see what they see. I do feel like you are playing Neutral aorn.

Golden wrote:PPS - hey, baddie team that killed epi. Fancy a DH kill tonight?

also this is just antagonizing your accusers tbqh. I just do not get it.

unfurl - I am not seeing what others are. I do feel like you have been trying to get into the game but I think the set up leaves you at a loss because of your usual play style isn't really applicable in this type of game. You are right to say to llama that your game is usually full of contradictions. It is just your style especially in the early stages of a game.
One thing that does seem to be missing is your paranoic attitude and the questions that usually come about when you are in that "zone". I agree about Teeth but apparently Imma have to get out of lazy mode and pull quotes to get others to see what I saw. I really feel like you are Neutral atm.

Scotty - Your posts have a good vibe to them I am not feeling anything bad for you. I find myself agreeing with most of what you say.

JJJ - I am not if like unfurl the set up of this game seems to be affecting your usual rhythm of playing. I am just not feeling "it". Can't put my finger on it or point to any one post but something feels wrong about your game this time around.

Rey - I was agreeing you most of the game up to the point of when you started going after Golden. I see you had progression to your thoughts but it still baffles me and even though there was progression it still felt abrupt. I am not sure about you. You could be a recruit or Neutral. What type of recruit? I am not sure quite yet.

Bubbles - I disagree with the case against you and feel your words were blown way out of proportion. People say you said you were invested - remind them that you do not have to be a high poster to be invested. Just keeping up with the thread shows an investment in a game like this. I think you have played fairly well for this game. I do not think you have been recruited nor do I get any bad vibes from your posts.


Lorab - your turn on Golden seemed like you wanted to get in on the Golden lynch wagon and you found your own reasoning (which you know I respect) and went with it. And I was ok with it until I read your responses to others about your vote where you reinforce your suspicions all the way through your post then in linkitis you see the post that Golden made asking you to reconsider voting for him today until he had more time and with a snap of your typing fingers you say you will take action as soon as you know where to put your vote. And that just felt like a real moment for me. Do you not trust your own suspicion or is it something else?

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: What I find dubious, llama, is that you don't seem willing to grant that what I was doing was directly relevant to "detecting bad guys". I wasn't forcing Bass to "dance for my amusement" at all.

There are lots of things you coul have asked Bass. I don't think demanding reads on random people was productive at all. It just seemed mean.

I certainly didn't intend to be mean. I intended to generate meaningful information to further my own understanding of Bass. Bass, if you found my behavior distasteful then I apologize for that.

Did anyone else feel that way? I ask because if this perspective is a trend then I'll need to reassess my approach. I don't want to baddie hunt so hard that I become a jerk.

I disagree with the idea that it was mean entirely.

Can I see that it could be reasonably perceived as uniquely targeted and so a manipulative move from a baddie? Yes. (I don't think it was, but I can understand that perspective). But that doesn't make it mean to do it.

Not mean.Manipulative - yes. Pushy - yes.

Ebwop

Roxy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote: Wouldn't blendy and shifty also signify a neutral aligned role?

Depends how you look at it. Shifty in particular is not a word I use as a positive trait, it's something I very much associate with the baddies. He earned my vote by dropping NO Us in response to being asked to speak about a topic other than MP and then not giving satisfactory responses to the questions he was being asked by myself and others. It's a shame he wasn't a baddie but it's no different to me than any other lynch I've been part of. Sometimes you just get it wrong. Nobody's perfect.

Isn't that what you do when under suspicion? Point out others? Always gonna be a no u in a group like this bc it is highly likely a baddie was in on getting this easy lynch pushed through.
His answers seemed satifactory to me especially in the end.
Yep sometimes we get it wrong but to me yesterdays lynch was a big double standard.

There's pointing out people who might be bad and there's saying "Nutella voted for me, she's probably bad" and "JJJ is questioning me, he's probably a recruit because he said he might ask to be replaced but changed his mind". If you can't accept that I found that suspicious enough to warrant my vote then I don't know what more to say on the matter.

If I was bass I prob would have done the same thing when pushed so hard at the end of day.

I am letting this drop except to say that those who pushed his lynch and were feeling good about his reveal as unrecruited have my undying suspicion this game.

quote="Bullzeye"]

Roxy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote: Wouldn't blendy and shifty also signify a neutral aligned role?

Depends how you look at it. Shifty in particular is not a word I use as a positive trait, it's something I very much associate with the baddies. He earned my vote by dropping NO Us in response to being asked to speak about a topic other than MP and then not giving satisfactory responses to the questions he was being asked by myself and others. It's a shame he wasn't a baddie but it's no different to me than any other lynch I've been part of. Sometimes you just get it wrong. Nobody's perfect.

Isn't that what you do when under suspicion? Point out others? Always gonna be a no u in a group like this bc it is highly likely a baddie was in on getting this easy lynch pushed through.
His answers seemed satifactory to me especially in the end.
Yep sometimes we get it wrong but to me yesterdays lynch was a big double standard.

There's pointing out people who might be bad and there's saying "Nutella voted for me, she's probably bad" and "JJJ is questioning me, he's probably a recruit because he said he might ask to be replaced but changed his mind". If you can't accept that I found that suspicious enough to warrant my vote then I don't know what more to say on the matter.[/quote]

If I was bass I prob would have done the same thing when pushed so hard at the end of day.

I am letting this drop except to say that those who pushed his lynch and were feeling good about his reveal as unrecruited have my undying suspicion this game.

aapje wrote:

Roxy wrote:

aapje wrote:So what is up with DF and DP? DF has missed both polls and DP hasn't contributed anything so far. I honestly wouldn't mind lynching either of them. If we are lynching neutrals anyway we might as well get rid of people who aren't really playing the game to begin with

I gave Russtifinko a pass since he asked to be replaced.

Somehow I always expect *more* from you.

I think this is an awful plan - I personally would rather track down baddies and their recruiters.

See the thing is this: I don't know yet with which team I am going to win (yes I plan to win :P ) so for now staying alive while other people die is my main objective. Since I'm not yet particularly interested in who lives or dies (other than myself) I'd rather get rid of those who aren't really contributing anyway. I don't like giving people a free pass for not participating. Not to mention the danger those who fly under the radar pose, MP won the last edition of recruitment mafia.
Is it so wrong to want to play with people who are playing the game as well?

No it is not wrong to want to play with people you think are playing thegame.
Remember though everyone has different styles or limited time to post.

Thanks for explaining though I won't be playing this wayyour explanation helps me understand where you are coming from.

got a few pages to catch up with will do it when my Boss is not around today

Sorry to see ya go Gman!

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote: Wouldn't blendy and shifty also signify a neutral aligned role?

Depends how you look at it. Shifty in particular is not a word I use as a positive trait, it's something I very much associate with the baddies. He earned my vote by dropping NO Us in response to being asked to speak about a topic other than MP and then not giving satisfactory responses to the questions he was being asked by myself and others. It's a shame he wasn't a baddie but it's no different to me than any other lynch I've been part of. Sometimes you just get it wrong. Nobody's perfect.

Isn't that what you do when under suspicion? Point out others? Always gonna be a no u in a group like this bc it is highly likely a baddie was in on getting this easy lynch pushed through.
His answers seemed satifactory to me especially in the end.
Yep sometimes we get it wrong but to me yesterdays lynch was a big double standard.

nutella wrote:Btw where is Mata? I miss the damn traitorous musketeer
And I was just thinking about Zelda, she should have showed up for this too!


Rox, sorry you feel that way but I have explained my stance on Bass's role and I stand by it. But you are right I am a bit less keen on rezzing Typh because now that another sorceror is gone there is now a 1 in 6 chance he was Azura, and a 1/6 that he was the Pyromancer.

Yeah your reasoning of his role is pingy bc you can pull almost any role and spin it to suit your needs like you saying at first it would be ok to rezz Typh but when Bass flips you are like "ooo that could be a bad role no matter what, now I am not so keen to rezz Typh"
See my point?

aapje wrote:So what is up with DF and DP? DF has missed both polls and DP hasn't contributed anything so far. I honestly wouldn't mind lynching either of them. If we are lynching neutrals anyway we might as well get rid of people who aren't really playing the game to begin with

I gave Russtifinko a pass since he asked to be replaced.

Somehow I always expect *more* from you.

I think this is an awful plan - I personally would rather track down baddies and their recruiters.

Bullzeye wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

G-Man wrote:Does anyone have a screenshot of the votes for Day 2? I was busy and didn't have time to fill them in as they happened and I missed any votes cast in the last hour of the poll.

I second this request. Are we not doing poll threads any more?

I'm slow at posting them because I was tired.

Also I seem to have misplaced the lynch.... so if anyone could just PM me what they have that would be great. I swear I'll get my shit together. I have links on the front page for what has been posted, I'll get the rest caught up.

Oh that's fair enough. Wasn't a dig or anything, I was curious because I can't remember the last time I saw one in general.

unfurl wrote:Also Bye Bass
I think this is become an elitist game tbqh, where the people who arenot hard core player will going to be lynched, my prediction, less see in an a fortune teller

Elitist? In what way?

Linki MP - I mostly agree with you about Bass, I think he earned his own lynch through the way he behaved. He felt very blendy and shifty to me and that's not generally a feeling I associate with the good guys.

Wouldn't blendy and shifty also signify a neutral aligned role?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not saying RIP to Bass, and, at the expense of making enemies further, I'll echo nutella's thoughts a bit and say that I'm not that sad about Bass's death either. It would have been ideal to nab a mafia-aligned recruiter or recruited, naturally, but an unrecruited Bass is still at least a somewhat favorable result. That said, I'll dearly miss him on a personal level, as always.

Maybe you all are generally more OK with it because you weren't on the receiving end of his completely baseless attack against me, which, combined with other similar attacks yesterday, actually had me feeling as though I was a solid lynch contender for Day 2. My feelings were confirmed when I was tied for the lead in votes for quite a while, though later it died down. Bass's behavior was unpredictable, he wasn't willing at all to actually engage others in conversation and see things from my point of view. He could have easily been playing a mafia or chaos-aligned neutral game, regardless of whether people think his role seems dangerous on its own, which was sort of the feel I was getting from his posts up until the end there.

I agree that it's bet at this stage for Golden to drop the Epi issue completely, but it doesn't help that others (rey and S~V~S and Boomslang, etc.) have been just as insistent on bringing it up over and over as well as Golden has.

Make fun of me as his cheerleader all you want (actually, please do, since it's hilarious), but I have been only defending Golden with the fervor that I've had because I feel accusations against him have been driven by mere fear mongering ("he did that to Epi? What if he does it to me?!?!?!!?"), which is a silly sentiment in my opinion given that the vast majority of players in this game still don't know what side they're going to end up on.

I thought his posts were quite honest and open in the end but you and Nutella had already begged other players to vote Bass. so your first paragraph read like a spoil sport wrote it.

unfurl wrote:Also Bye Bass
I think this is become an elitist game tbqh, where the people who arenot hard core player will going to be lynched, my prediction, less see in an a fortune teller

Not quite elitist but I feel kinda the same way.

nutella wrote:

Ricochet wrote: So why the double standard between these two Sorcerers' deaths? And why suddenly find Magnetarch to have been dangerous, when previously it was deemed not so bad?

Honestly, I admit I was a little biased by my having wanted to lynch Bass, and wanted to push back a little against people like SVS who had immediately gone "awww he was an innocent unrecruited so sorry you got lynched bb" without considering his role and its potential effects on the game. When I went back to read the Magnetarch's role after the reveal, it was under a different light than when I skimmed through the Sorcerors for threats, and I re-interpreted it as actually rather dangerous, though of course not as scary as Azura or the Pyromancer. And as I said in the earlier post you quoted, some roles can be a huge threat if they're a baddie but immensely helpful if they're a civvie, so I was scanning for Sorcerors that would be particularly threatening as baddies. When I went back to read the Magnetarch however it seems worrying in its own right -- regardless of his recruitment status, the abilities can cause some destructive fuckery. Especially considering a lot of them have a random factor -- it doesn't look like the Magnetarch has much agency in positions 1, 2, and 5.

So, yeah, maybe I would have included the Magnetarch on my earlier list if I had thought a little more about it, but it's not on the same level as the Pyromancer, but rather scary in a different way.


linki: bea, position 4 is the one with poison and I think it's best to delay the infection as long as possible because it will be cumulative. sneaky counter-current vote there.
and MM I believe it is actually bea's birthday that is coming up in a few days (though idk when diggs' is)

Its easy to make any particular role to look bad to suit ones needs. I mean lorab is saying the Judge is prob a recruited baddie bc they used their power Day 1 and that is supposed to be civ type role.

So basically I see this as a way to push the convo under the rug. *nothing2seehere*

Also why would you want to push back against people like SVS and now me bc we were sorry to see Bass go - an unrecruited neutral role?

Black Rock wrote:

nutella wrote:Also really great post LC. I always really enjoy your writing and I really appreciate the detail you put into game flavor.

It is a scene he sets. I like how he brings the characters to life. That's why I need him as a cohost. No stories come from me. I just create, he brings them to life. That's right, he does the life thing twice.

I agree! He makes the posts come alive in my mind - like I am not only reading it I can see it!

nutella wrote:Well I'm not particularly disappointed to lose the Magnetarch, was a dangerous role anyway. And I'm rather indifferent that he was unrecruited. Honestly I'd call this a relatively successful day 2 given the circumstances. It will be hard to find the actual baddies.

Think I'll go for Position 3.

Not you too!
This attitude is a double standard as I explained in a post to MP earlier.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: Unknown to both Roxy and MP, there was a sad Wilgy with a camera hiding behind the curtains.

LMAO!!!!

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Speaking of Golden's meta, I find it intriguing that the three people playing this game that have known him and his game the longest ALL voted for him.

Thats interesting. The four players here who have known me the longest (ie played my first ever game) are you, Roxy, Bea, and unfurl. None of the others voted for me.

http://spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... cc7cb9650b (mom is roxy, beatrixkiddo is bea)

Roxy and bea have, in fact, not yet said anything that I have read to be an active suspicion of me. Neither have said they still trust me recently but what they have said has indicated that they read me as genuine. Unfurl, I'm not sure she has mentioned me at all.

BeatrixKiddo is Mata's daughter NOT Bea.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

I am leaving the thread before I pee all over MP

Bummer.

You are bummed bc I left the thread BEFORE I let you upset me in the game? Twisted!

got a meeting will do more in a bit

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:I do not get why it is ok to lynch someone you do not think is recruited bc he is a good choice for recruitment - huh? Obv not bc it has led to a likely lynch.

I have been questioned over my suspicion but to me this is really weak.

Keep dreaming MP I see now you are indeed looking for easy lynches.

I don't understand your first line. Can you reword? I don't understand who "he" is.

You've been questioned over your suspicion because it seems several players do not legitimately understand fully why you suspect BWT. Perhaps you should realize that's not because we have skipped your posts but because it's not entirely clear.

I am, yeah? Okay then. Think what you want.

I was obv talking about Bass and others reasons for voting him and something you also touched on.

I did not understand your suspicion but I did not immediately label you and Nutella as likely teammates. I explained my suspicion I am sorry if you "don't think its clear" - last time you claimed my posts were not clear was on Ksite and you were bad

Oh and BTW me and Bass were teammates as we both are Neutral. :P

Tranq wrote:

Tranq wrote:Uh i got drunk and fell asleep... Why did DP, Scotty and timmer vote for themselves?

I'm voting for one of these three players.

I remember agreeing with some of timmer's posts so he won't get my vote. A quick look through their posts shows Scotty has been trying to play while DP has not.

*votes DisgruntledPorcupine*

Weak vote for reason imo with everything that was happening in the thread. Were you trying not to be associated with someone who was making a case? Or did you just not see Bass as bad?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

Its cars mafia all over again. lol

What do you think of Rox?

This is where you start trying to pee on me and you do this like every game.

You suspect someone I do not I explain why you do not approve and start saying we teammates before a role or alignment has even been revealed. It has led to me being wrongly lynched by your lead many times.

Why did you immediately jump to - if Bass is bad I bet Rox is on his team?

How dumb would that be? You would never recruit Daisy the same way I would never recruit Bass. Yet you instantly throw this our there like a fact. Why would anyone want to recruit Bass in the first place?
He was not paying attention (which is obv by his posts)
He was barely posting
He was starting to get suspicion
yet you single him out like he would be this amazing recruit LOL you srsly believe that?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I can definitely see how you (or anyone) would view Golden as a threat at this point. He basically stopped short of calling the Epignosis kill "a demonstration".

Well, I suppose you're right; I perhaps am not being understanding enough of the opposite perspective myself, but I'll still be very disappointed if Golden gets lynched and flips neutral (or, worse, civilian-aligned, but I would doubt that).

See what I dont understand is why people are cool with me flipping neutral. Can someone explain that to me?

yah I do not get this mindset either.
Its ok if Bass flips Neutral and his role is considered bad EVEN though he is Neutral.
Disappointing if Golden gets lynched as a Neutral - seems no matter the role.
Typhoony is NK'ed and determined to be a Sorcerer - before we knew Bass had the supposed bad role everyone was ok for Typh to come back even though there is a chance he is a Sorcerer killer or he could have been this bad role Bass turned out to be.

This is such a double standard and so clique-ish imo.

MovingPictures wrote:<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snip I've considered the fact that Golden seemed more intent on lynching you over me, but didn't seem to have too strong of an opinion on either of us, but it really has no effect on the fact that his posts read exactly the way he's been crafting them, all game.

What does this mean any chance you can rephrase this bc it does not make sense.
Crafting posts does not sound like a civ thing it sounds like a bad thing.

Catching up when In can I will be hit and miss I voted #2 earlier before work bc we skipped 2 and went straight to 5 and 5 is right out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

I am leaving the thread before I pee all over MP

I do not get why it is ok to lynch someone you do not think is recruited bc he is a good choice for recruitment - huh? Obv not bc it has led to a likely lynch.

I have been questioned over my suspicion but to me this is really weak.

Keep dreaming MP I see now you are indeed looking for easy lynches.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, noted, thanks for elaborating.

I have to admit I'm also a bit confused as to what exactly your BWT suspicion is. Do you mind restating the main points?

Yes I a do mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Roxy, would you agree that it's important for a player to have substantive supporting content in his/her post history which clearly explains why any eventual final vote has been placed?

Substantial in whose eyes?

Definitely the eyes of those viewing that post history without the benefit of first-person understanding of it.

kk then read my post history.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think people who vote BWT based in part on his Day 1 content including the "go civs" comment bear some obligation to comment on his Day 2 content. He has provided quite a bit of it and it needs to be acknowledged one way or another.

I agree, and I still demand explanation from BWT voters, because I've seen BWT as consistently genuine this game.

I am sorry if ya'll don't like my suspicion but it is my suspicion. Now he does this no u case on unfurl and I don't agree with any of it. I agrew with unfurl that some of his wording is similar to your (MP) wording from Day 1.

I feel good about my vote and am leaving it there.

Bass and his responses read to me like he is not recruited but maybe he has a "bad" role? iunno but I every time I go against my own gut I regret it.

Golden is reading as genuine - I guess I am just not as convinced as his voters seem to be.

got another page or so.

I'm totally fine with you suspecting whom you want. I just am seeing a totally different perspective on BWT than you are, apparently.

I think BWT tends to parrot players and suspicions more when he's civilian than when he's a mafia. What do you think?

You keep saying similar comments about Bass, but you're unwilling to pull the trigger. Why? What do you mean by the gut comment exactly?

I disagree about Teeth as i have seen him play different ways before. I have seen him parrot as a civ and as a mafia and I have seen him offer original thought as a civ and as a mafia.

No I do not want to help lynch my son bc I think he is unrecruited aorn.

I don't want to go against my gut (aka My Teeth suspicion) bc I have usually regretted it later.

nutella wrote:

Roxy wrote:

nutella wrote:Okay, that's totally fair. I have read his responses as genuine for the most part but I can definitely get where you're coming from. I'm inclined to think he's an unrecruited who's not devoting much effort to playing the game at this point.

linki @ Roxy: I'm looking through your posts and I see no explanation. In fact I do not see mention of BWT besides asking his D1 voters whether they still suspect him or not. The only thing I see is your first post after the EOD when you comment on BWT's "Go Civs" comment -- and that is right after you say you probably would not have voted for him because he is "generally wacky". Is the "go civvies" comment your sole reason for suspecting he was recruited? Or did I miss something else in your posts, because I don't see any more mention of suspecting him between then and your vote.

Well then you did see it. That post felt unnatural to me. I stated something about and despite being in the thread and claimed to have read he never even mentioned it.

I don't mean to no u but your vote for Bass to prod him after not really mentioning him before is sort of the same thing - just saying hey I think you could be bad - show me that you are not.

Just catching up and posting as I go

Sorry, "not really mentioning him before"? What? I voted for Bass on Day 1 after explicitly stating that I found him suspicious because of the "crazy theory" post. My vote for him today is consistent with that suspicion and because at that point he had not even posted again since then to reply/defend. Not at all like your vote for BWT. You mentioned that one post briefly (and to be fair you didn't even direct your comment at him to elicit a response), made a couple other posts in between in which you didn't bring up his name at all (except indirectly to, ironically enough, call out those who had voted for him), and then suddenly announced your vote without explaining it or even calling back to that one post.

Oh well color me corrected but I am still not convinced that my Teeth suspicion is not correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Roxy, would you agree that it's important for a player to have substantive supporting content in his/her post history which clearly explains why any eventual final vote has been placed?

Substantial in whose eyes?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think people who vote BWT based in part on his Day 1 content including the "go civs" comment bear some obligation to comment on his Day 2 content. He has provided quite a bit of it and it needs to be acknowledged one way or another.

I agree, and I still demand explanation from BWT voters, because I've seen BWT as consistently genuine this game.

I am sorry if ya'll don't like my suspicion but it is my suspicion. Now he does this no u case on unfurl and I don't agree with any of it. I agrew with unfurl that some of his wording is similar to your (MP) wording from Day 1.

I feel good about my vote and am leaving it there.

Bass and his responses read to me like he is not recruited but maybe he has a "bad" role? iunno but I every time I go against my own gut I regret it.

Golden is reading as genuine - I guess I am just not as convinced as his voters seem to be.

got another page or so.

Sorsha wrote:

nutella wrote:Okay, that's totally fair. I have read his responses as genuine for the most part but I can definitely get where you're coming from. I'm inclined to think he's an unrecruited who's not devoting much effort to playing the game at this point.

linki @ Roxy: I'm looking through your posts and I see no explanation. In fact I do not see mention of BWT besides asking his D1 voters whether they still suspect him or not. The only thing I see is your first post after the EOD when you comment on BWT's "Go Civs" comment -- and that is right after you say you probably would not have voted for him because he is "generally wacky". Is the "go civvies" comment your sole reason for suspecting he was recruited? Or did I miss something else in your posts, because I don't see any more mention of suspecting him between then and your vote.

I went back and looked through Roxys posts for her bwt suspicion as well and found the same as you....

....and your point is......?

nutella wrote:Okay, that's totally fair. I have read his responses as genuine for the most part but I can definitely get where you're coming from. I'm inclined to think he's an unrecruited who's not devoting much effort to playing the game at this point.

linki @ Roxy: I'm looking through your posts and I see no explanation. In fact I do not see mention of BWT besides asking his D1 voters whether they still suspect him or not. The only thing I see is your first post after the EOD when you comment on BWT's "Go Civs" comment -- and that is right after you say you probably would not have voted for him because he is "generally wacky". Is the "go civvies" comment your sole reason for suspecting he was recruited? Or did I miss something else in your posts, because I don't see any more mention of suspecting him between then and your vote.

Well then you did see it. That post felt unnatural to me. I stated something about and despite being in the thread and claimed to have read he never even mentioned it.

I don't mean to no u but your vote for Bass to prod him after not really mentioning him before is sort of the same thing - just saying hey I think you could be bad - show me that you are not.

Just catching up and posting as I go

timmer wrote:Only in wifi for 5 minutes. Voted myself worn catch up when I'm home tomorrow

I do not want a "worn" catch up
I want a new one

nutella wrote:Dom, thanks for clarifying -- I was indeed the second player to vote for Bass today, after MP, but I still don't get why that is suspicious. Can you elaborate on why my vote warranted an ? And no I wasn't upset about you eyeing me specifically, it's more that your general pattern of opportunistically badgering people about little things is bothersome and imo unproductive. Maybe you have some success rate of catching baddies with stuff like that, I don't know, but to me it really seems like fluffing up your posts with trivial "pings" rather than discussing more substantial thoughts.

I'm still not understanding the BWT votes. On Day 1 I think several people voted for him for several different reasons, rather than a single case that gained any kind of momentum. Now Roxy votes for him without any kind of explanation that I see, and Lorab repeats her vote for him despite the fact that it seemed to me that her previous reasons for suspecting him were mostly resolved (primarily the list of low posters taken from G-man being inaccurate). Lorab, am I wrong -- did you have other qualms with BWT that he has not responded to?

Before you repeat things like I voted "with no explanation" maybe you should read my posts to find the explanation.
Also I will add that Teeth COMPLETELY ignored my suspicion of him for the entire day period.

*voted*

G-Man wrote:

Golden wrote:Can someone please recruit G-Man? He deserves it.

Who says I haven't been recruited yet? I posted that in OT green on purpose. That was proposed as a legitimate theme song, not a personal plea for recruitment.

Roxy wrote:Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Maybe they think they don't have to speak to that issue since the day was ended before most of those votes were even cast?


Thoughts:

I'm not interested in either Bass or MP right now. Maybe I'm still a little hung up on getting a read on people. I still have no read on 13 different players. I'll probably vote for one of them.

The game quieted down substantially over the weekend. While I liked less content sitting there when catching up, it does hamper progress on the game. It still feels like a lot of people just aren't participating.

Not sure what to make of Dr. Wilgy. It's cute and all but it could also be a distraction. He's one of my 13.

Yay for 3-J sticking around.

Right - so since the day ended early (even though they had no idea it was happening at the time of their votes) they hold no responsilbility for them?

Ofc I disagree with your assessment.

aapje wrote:

Roxy wrote:Sebass (my son) does have this job going crazy right now. I know he has not had time to catch up. I don't like the tone of his posts but for right now I am willing to give him a chance.

Which player is he?

@Rey: why did you vote the non player option?

Sorry I did not even realize I did not use his user name. unfurl is right he is Bass_the_Clever.

A lot of people put votes in all will nilly when they know they can change them. I try not to pay attention to the votes until we get closer to lynch time.

Also llama what happened to your Bubbles suspicion? Did it just magically disappear?

Same goes to all the Teeth voters - did your suspicion (strong enough to place a vote on him yesterday) just disappear over the night phase?

Dr W's post made me laugh and gave a me a lovely start to today

Still do not find him suspicious.

Will not likely vote MP

Sebass (my son) does have this job going crazy right now. I know he has not had time to catch up. I don't like the tone of his posts but for right now I am willing to give him a chance.

Why is no one besides Rey and unfurl and I the only ones to comment on Teeth?

Gman - you always make games more fun!