The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

Roxy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS aint on the poll I dont know who to vote for.

What do you think of llama? Or Timmerbad?

Welcome back, Roxy!

So are you saying you trust DH for advice?

DharmaHelper wrote:SVS aint on the poll I dont know who to vote for.

timmer wrote:llama has a lot of posts, and I id a quick skim. I see baddie hunting, I see a breakdown of Bubbles' interactions. It'd be pretty ballsy if llama has on that team, but it doesn't mean he isn't on Azuna's squad.

I don't know, none of them are a slam dunk, but I agree with DH that Synonym seems honest about recruitment.

I also need to revisit my stance on TH in a bit.

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.

Why?

Scotty wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Roxy wrote:You are right scotty - I should not be surprised where you are concerned. You have already proclaimed JJJ not worth looking at.

Don't think I've forgotten about you.

You haven't answered why you were blatantly wrong.

You haven't posted since this post Friday afternoon.

I don't like your attitude. I think you are bad.

I am so happy you have not forgotten about me

And yes I will admit I have you confused with another player - but I am not sorry as I explained earlier my m,eds make my hed completely fuzzy so some things are bound to be mixed up by me.

Sorry I post when I can and when I feel up to it. I am not on YOUR timetable I am on my own schedule thank you very kindly

Yah I admit my attitude sometimes sucks especially when I don't feel good - but just know in advance I am sorry if I offend anyone with my attitude. I def do not mean to.

But maybe you can explain EXACTLY how my attitude makes me bad? Bc tbh I am unrecruited Neutral.

Roxy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Vote registered for Boomslang

Why? You haven't mentioned Boomslang in your posts since Day 5 at least.

I read his posts and I think he's on Team Uzzy.

I am quite surprised neither of you have commented on the drastic change in JJJ's game.

1.) What is the drastic change? Give me details. I'm starting to think you're making this up. If you're not then I'd like to state that you're making zero effort whatsoever to read my content through a non-baddie lens -- exactly the accusation you've [wrongly] applied to me w/r/t Boomslang and Bass.

2.) That you specifically elected to express "surprise" to these two people makes very little sense. After only you, Turnip has probably been my biggest detractor in this game so far. You literally couldn't pick a worse player to accuse of not commenting on me. Scotty and I have also engaged in quite a lot of dialogue and I don't think he has been inclined to read me positively or negatively. What was the purpose of this post Roxy?

Hi.
I was surprised bc they both have said negative things inre: You. I think the drastic changed happened just before 2 game days ago. You tone changed and the vibe you began putting off was nothing like the semi - neutral vibe you were giving previously.
I do not think I could have picked two better people to call out bc of their thoughts they had previously given - why not push harder on you? Just bc you were silenced should not have silenced their opinions imo.

Again, WHO are you talking about? And why call out 2 people (whoever that lucky 2nd contestant is), 1 of which was definitely a detractor of JJJ like he says, out of the blue for not "pushing harder"? Why not call DrWilgy out on doing the exact same thing to Sorsha? It sounds like you just really wanted JJJ killed, and tried to get some rallying support by reproaching some people that had called him out previously.

You can blame meds on your combative behavior all you want, but your accusations have lacked as much air as Tom Brady's footballs.
I once took Ecstasy in a London club, and while I danced with some people I really would have preferred not to dance with, I still knew what I was doing.

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.

DharmaHelper wrote:Who should I vote for...

Not the Doc.

thellama73 wrote:Although now that I look at the roles, I'm not sure I think that anymore.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate thought about the attempted lynch of DrWilgy:

It stunk. I hated the lynch all day phase long and wished I could do something about it. Numerous people seemed to reduce the case for DrWilgy merely to WIFOM: "would a baddie defend his team mate so hard???"

I think this is inadequate because it doesn't respect what I perceive to be the most important variable: the likelihood that DrWilgy's defenses of TinyBubbles were going to motivate a lynch of someone else instead of TinyBubbles -- likelihood that I'd call infinitesimal. He didn't merely defend her hard, he did so when it was pointless. Is that how baddies behave? Maybe in some universes, but not terribly many of them in my experience. His hard-headed defense of Bubbles when she was already the clear lynch suggests to me that he really did believe in his defense of her and was stubbornly pressing it into the thread -- indicative of someone not on her team.

I could be wrong about that. I don't know. The fact that the lynch didn't actually take place is also a relevant factor that I will mull over that moving forward. For now though my stance remains that DrWilgy is not on team Ubzuccini.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Vote registered for Boomslang

Why? You haven't mentioned Boomslang in your posts since Day 5 at least.

I read his posts and I think he's on Team Uzzy.

I am quite surprised neither of you have commented on the drastic change in JJJ's game.

1.) What is the drastic change? Give me details. I'm starting to think you're making this up. If you're not then I'd like to state that you're making zero effort whatsoever to read my content through a non-baddie lens -- exactly the accusation you've [wrongly] applied to me w/r/t Boomslang and Bass.

2.) That you specifically elected to express "surprise" to these two people makes very little sense. After only you, Turnip has probably been my biggest detractor in this game so far. You literally couldn't pick a worse player to accuse of not commenting on me. Scotty and I have also engaged in quite a lot of dialogue and I don't think he has been inclined to read me positively or negatively. What was the purpose of this post Roxy?

Scotty wrote:1. Ubzagosh is a fucking idiot for trying to kill DH again, seeing as his lynch failed the first time.
2. DH seems to be traveling with Terras, and I KNOW LC said not to look into the flavor text, but that's the second time he blatantly saved him. I mean, come on.
3. JJJ RIP. Seems half the town wanted you dead, and I guess someone got it.
4. Can we kill Ubzeitgeist today before I run out of names to give him please?
5. Voting DrWilgy.

Scotty wrote:

Roxy wrote:You are right scotty - I should not be surprised where you are concerned. You have already proclaimed JJJ not worth looking at.

Don't think I've forgotten about you.

You haven't answered why you were blatantly wrong.

You haven't posted since this post Friday afternoon.

I don't like your attitude. I think you are bad.

Turnip Head wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Vote registered for Boomslang

Why? You haven't mentioned Boomslang in your posts since Day 5 at least.

I read his posts and I think he's on Team Uzzy.

I am quite surprised neither of you have commented on the drastic change in JJJ's game.

He's not talking.

Canucklehead wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

timmer wrote:@Rico, I feel like I've been pretty up front about the way I'm playing this game Now that we've lost a baddie from Ub's team, I don't want to be recruited to that team, as they are clearly weakened, so it makes sense to actually go after people who might be on that team. In this format, once you're down, you're just not sexy anymore. So yeah, I'll absolutely jump onto a case that shows a possible Ub teammate, there's no hesitation. But when I've got the time to, I'll still pull together my own shit and present it, it's not like this format means people shouldn't try.

Did you want to be recruited by Ubz40 before, but don't now that they got hit? You say we've lost a baddie. Who's we? Is it a loss for anyone except the Uzzis?

I've been trying to get recruited to whoever will take me, but now Ubby and his team seem weak so why go there? As for my "we" it was obviously "the game" . Keep pressing, lol.

Why go there at all?

Give me your philosophy for this game (sorry if I missed it), since you seem to imply you wouldn't mind being recruited by baddies.

Timmer has been espousing his "totally neutral until recruited" philosophy the ENTIRE game. Talking about this philosophy takes up a large proportion of his posts. How could you possibly have *actually* read Timmer and missed this?

This looks like you jumping opportunistically on someone you think might be an easy lynch, or who might cause a fuss in the thread. Who are you trying to distract from, Rico?

Canucklehead wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Give me an hour or so (assuming I don't just fall asleep while typing, which is a great danger even right now but I'm sure my considerate neighbours will wake me up with their very appropriate and polite 1,2,3 & 4am yelling and laughing. I am currently running through the people I'm sure I don't suspect, basically making a rainbow list in my head. If I can't think of a reason not to suspect someone they're going on my list of people to look at, which I will begin tomorrow. I shall post this when it is ready.

Why should we give your more than a few mere minutes to come up with suspicions and reactions to people?
Also why do others have to be invested if you are not? Double standard much?
I need you to tell me as quickly as possible how you feel about 4 players.

I think this is a pretty good task for everyone, not just Bullz

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Vote registered for Boomslang

Why? You haven't mentioned Boomslang in your posts since Day 5 at least.

I read his posts and I think he's on Team Uzzy.

Bullzeye wrote:Give me an hour or so (assuming I don't just fall asleep while typing, which is a great danger even right now but I'm sure my considerate neighbours will wake me up with their very appropriate and polite 1,2,3 & 4am yelling and laughing. I am currently running through the people I'm sure I don't suspect, basically making a rainbow list in my head. If I can't think of a reason not to suspect someone they're going on my list of people to look at, which I will begin tomorrow. I shall post this when it is ready.

nutella wrote:

aapje wrote: Based on the writing it sounds like the Pyromancer could very well be on team Azura. First the lynch that hinted at immolation and now him having taught the Pyromancer.

I'm pretty sure LC said he wouldn't reveal stuff like that in the flavor text. I don't think we can assume anything from that.


I'm trying to reason through DH's confidence about SVS. It's possible that he had a check and actually has some information about her alignment. It's also possible he's been Hungered and is being forced to go hard against her. He's been so adamant and stubborn about it that I could see this being the case. Or he could genuinely just really strongly suspect her.

I'm still suspicious of Rey and want to hear more from him today.

Other than that I'm kinda lost for this lynch. I'd like to find Bubbles' teammates but I haven't the first clue how.

Long Con wrote: It is important to note that a blocked kill, a kill attempt on a protected person, and a failed kill will look the same in the night post, and be indistinguishable to the general player. Please do not try to read too deeply into the host posts for game mechanics clues, because they are intended to be entirely for creative purposes. Unless I hide something in there. Who knows? I don't want to close the door on that possibility, but as far as failed kills go, you don't know which it was for LoRab.

S~V~S wrote:

nutella wrote:Also SVS why tf did you "hold your vote" they are changeable

I am not a fan of last minute vote changes. But mainly it is force of habit; when I am in a "taking votes" situation, I always hold my vote and don't give whether or not the votes are changeable much thought. I have seen LOTS of lynches shift in the last hour, so when I am taking votes I watch and wait.

DrWilgy wrote:
Last thing to point out, SVS, why did you ignore this?

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So you think BR made me a baddie recruiter becasue I would like it? Whether I have a "thing" for being a baddie has no bearing on role assignment. One & Three don't go together.

You're just stringing stuff together, when your attempt to save Bubbles with your Timmer suspicions did not fly, you jumped onto DHs post.

SVS, that doesn't make sense, I've been voting for you for awhile now. I didn't list 1 and 3 as cause and effect, I listed it as possibilities. Your pursuit of Golden is what throws me for aloop the most. I agree with what Rico said.

timmer wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Day one there was a 12 or 13 player tie I think.

Oh that?

Wilgy, so your case is three points, one of which is that SVS likes being bad (WTF?) and one of which is that she is one of a ton of people who didn't die from a hugely tied lynch? And this is because you assume one of them was Ubby? What about Terras protecting all Guardians that day?

If that's your case, I'm moving' on, sorry dude.

Uggg... Timmer, I have stated previous the conditions for my vote and didn't want to go through it again. Her pursuit of Golden didn't feel genuine when I read it. I didn't have time to quote everything at the time, due to working on house renovations. Your WTF would be understandable if I hadn't already spoken about SVS being SK in a open role choice environment. I don't assume one of them is Ububudoo, but the possibility is there and we shouldn't forget that. Statistic wise, if we go after a Golden hounder, she's our best choice.

I'm currently packing for the move tomorrow, so I don't have alot of time left for mafia today, nor will I tomorrow. I'll chime in when I get the chance.

I did not respond to it since I had already responded to the shorthand version, plus I saw a statement here, not a question. You have not been voting for me for "a while now" you voted for me two lynches ago, and had your vote on Timmer most of the past day until DH asked you to switch it.

This game is NOT an open choice environment. And I don't think my preference for being a baddie is a secret from anyone here. If "liking being bad" is criteria for being bad in any given game, I would be screwed EVERY game. It is so well known that I like being bad that I actually think I would be a liability for a baddie recruiter, like I was in RM# when I was recruited by Reywas. I was taking suspicion from both Epi & DH from fairly early in the game. So take what you will about my current recruitment status from that.

And re Golden, that is how I tend to Mafia. I see something I suspect and I go pretty hard after them.

As for your other thoughts, I am sorry that Unfurl died. Other than Roxy I am probably the last person here to kill Unfurl. She is a gentle presence, and I think we need more of her, not less of her.

And had I been bad, and known Bubbles was gonna flip bad, i would have voted her, and I would have voted hella earlier than I did, as would, I think, pretty much anyone else playing, so this is not really WIFOM territory.

Linki @ Roxy, yeah I noticed that too. But why would she make herself come up as bad?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Open question about S~V~S for those who've played with her often:

Her tunnel vision on Golden was well-documented. Most people didn't seem perturbed by that, and my inclination as an observer without meta was to not be perturbed. However, it should be noted that her case against Golden seemed to be reduced entirely to a single post (in which Golden claimed to have baited the Epi kill).

Golden fought and fought to explain his maneuver and his perspective, but S~V~S never got over that post. Would you folks say that tunnel vision of such a focused sort is normal of S~V~S? Because that is a special sort of tunneling -- instead of hating everything Golden posted, she hated one thing he posted. Enough to drive him over 300 posts defending himself to no avail.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:Llama vote for DH - I cannot remember much from you inre:DH. is it bc of his asking to be lynched?or his overall play this game?

llama has been quite constant with his statements of DH suspicion.

Boomslang wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, what do you make of Boomslang's attempts to hunt today more heavily compared with previously?

I wanted to be inspired, but he seemed to focus primarily on people who either aren't posting much right now or never were posting much. It's still very easy content to throw into the thread when the feeling of need for content is there.

And tell me, why is bringing attention to people who are slipping past attention a bad thing? You want to play logic? The "very easy content" descriptor is classic "No true Scottsman." I contribute, making points that need to be made, and you're saying effectively that it's "not true content." You're tunneling something fierce, and it grinds my gears.

Anyway, voting position 4. I'd prefer to run the cycle and deal with the negative powers we know than deal with unknown consequences.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Play this game right? What does that mean?

I've tried playing the game your way. I can't do it. Even if I could do it succesfully, I'd get lynched for not being myself. Recall the "it's just MP being crazy, so that's normal" excuse Devin gave for defending you? It's kinda like that.

Why don't you convince mafia to nightkill me or something instead?

It means actually play the game of mafia. It's Day 4 and you say you have no suspects. Get out of here.

Your over the top reaction to a couple of votes is quite illuminating. Why so emo over a couple of votes?
You are being mean to MM when you tell him to "actually play the game" and "Get out of here".

This is what I meant last time - it is toxic and no fun to read and unfortunately I play for fun MP not this.

I finished reading this part oif the thread and now Know neither had voted you - still this major reaction. I don't understand it at all.

I did vote for MP though. But seeing the lynch switched to a player with no votes implies that it doesn't even matter. I've seen lynch switches before, but I thought the player being switched to had to have at least one vote.

BRaLC, can a lynch be switched to a player with no votes?

thellama73 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Here is a list of the games TinyBubbles has payed on the Syndicate:
Recruitment 4
Angry Birds
Frisky Dingo
Bullets Over Broadway
Watchmen
Death and Taxes
Omtera

Can we stop saying she's "new to mafia"?

I take it by "we" you mean "Roxy"?

Sure, and whoever else.

thellama73 wrote:Here is a list of the games TinyBubbles has payed on the Syndicate:
Recruitment 4
Angry Birds
Frisky Dingo
Bullets Over Broadway
Watchmen
Death and Taxes
Omtera

Can we stop saying she's "new to mafia"?

Bullzeye wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Have already mentioned my issues with this point but I will also say I'm interested in how you will defend it. You've literally gone from accusing people of cliquey exclusionary behaviour to making a very cliquey post yourself. Dom's sarcasm had a decent point, if you want to argue that there are certain players more likely to have been given recruiter roles, you're definitely in that category.

Like I tried to explain up there - that is not what I am saying at all.
I do not think the Hosts cherry picked roles. But I also do not think that they would be so unfair as to say put Bubbles as recruiter being so new to mafia and never having played a game like this before. Not that they wouldn't put say DP or someone else like that who has played a recruitment game. Understand?

still sounds elitist. fuck it. I stand by my thoughts on fairness to newbs. maybe I think way overboard where they are concerned I think it is the mom in me.

Hmm... Okay. I get what you meant now but... I mean I haven't played a recruitment game either so does that rule me out or do my four(?) years of playing other games make up for it? I do see what you're saying more clearly but I don't think I agree. If it were Bubbles' first game ever, then perhaps I could see BR thinking a recruiter role might make things too confusing but even then this isn't rocket science. Sure you get the odd Mr F announcing how many PMs he's had on day 1 but most new people pick the game up pretty quickly IMO. By my 4th game I was being NKed for naming an entire baddie team in my suspicion list and I'm not special.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, seriously, drop the fucking shit. Either play this game right or ask to be replaced or modkilled. Straight shoot me a reason you don't trust me. Right now.

Play this game right? What does that mean?

I've tried playing the game your way. I can't do it. Even if I could do it succesfully, I'd get lynched for not being myself. Recall the "it's just MP being crazy, so that's normal" excuse Devin gave for defending you? It's kinda like that.

Why don't you convince mafia to nightkill me or something instead?

It means actually play the game of mafia. It's Day 4 and you say you have no suspects. Get out of here.

Your over the top reaction to a couple of votes is quite illuminating. Why so emo over a couple of votes?
You are being mean to MM when you tell him to "actually play the game" and "Get out of here".

This is what I meant last time - it is toxic and no fun to read and unfortunately I play for fun MP not this.

Long Con wrote:unfurl has been lynched. She was the Technohacker, and unrecruited.

DharmaHelper wrote:*casually continues to pretend my shit dont stink*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'M NOT. Baddies can.

Do you think MM was trying to legitimize his suspicion against you? It seemed to me he was doing the opposite.

I don't know what he was doing.

Frankly, I don't either.

Master of Shadows wrote:you're all bad

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, you want to talk about higher posters. What about reywaS? He currently is #6. What do you think of him?

I did not like his non reaction to the Golden lynch and his disappearance after. I really felt he shifted to Golden with a progression - yes - but it did not *feel* right to me. I know you will think that is not clear but something about the way posted - tone- mixed with vibe. Its all I got.

I agree; I'd like to hear from him as well.

I actually can relate to what you're saying here with tone, but I don't feel strongly about reywaS at this time. I've had moments where I thought he has appeared genuine and moments where I thought he has appeared opportunistic.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Look guys, I'm sorry, but I think it's completely unfair to throw out a baseless accusation at this stage of the game. Why even bother playing the game? If some players are just going to sit back and not even play it, then it ruins the game for the players who actually do play. Mafia is a game where you either are a civilian and try to baddie hunt, or you're mafia and try to act like a civilian. If I invest hours upon hours of my free time, of which I barely have any (it practically almost all goes to this game), and then some of the players don't even play the game by not posting or by posting a bunch of fluff and not issuing any opinions, then I won't play. It's clear I need a break from mafia, because I'm stressed out enough RL with the PhD as it is, and I've become testier in games over the past year as a result. I apologize for that. But you can understand why I'd get upset investing time into ISOing Devin's posts only to have it immediately denounced by two players as if I have underhanded intentions, with accusations that are impossible for me to defend against at that.

At least you've given me a reason now, MM, and I will next post a response to that post and the other two Roxy posts I wanted to respond to.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Gonna go with TinyBubbles.