The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It was reaction bait. You literally quoted it and didn't acknowledge it dude.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The quote I put in a separate spoiler in which he responds to Golden is significant because it's how he responded to losing the trust of someone who had previously been defending him in the game (also note the highlighted portion -- this reflects perfectly his response to the pseudo link I drew between Glorfindel and Black Rock in this game). There's an obvious parallel for that in this game -- me. I've defended him more than anyone else in this game. So I just told Glorfindel that I think he's bad without saying why to incite whatever response he might provide in light of losing his most vocal ally again. We'll see if he responds to that and maybe compare accordingly, but the value is largely lost now. I wanted him to respond before I posted this, but I don't have time for that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Separately Glorfindel, I'd like you to respond with your immediate thoughts to me making this statement:

I think you're bad.

Bleh, nevermind. I don't have time to wait for an answer. I have a big post about you and I need to get it posted.

Epignosis wrote:

Dex wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I already know the person I want to lynch Day 8.

Do tell.

rabbitch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Separately Glorfindel, I'd like you to respond with your immediate thoughts to me making this statement:

I think you're bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Looks like Glorfindel was a civilian (I think the cops were "civilian") in Arkham Mafia and a baddie in Star Wars Mafia. This provides me with a nice opportunity to check into his meta a little bit, since it's his appearance at face value that I have thought looked town in this game.

The quotes contained in the following spoilers are not from this Mafia game. The point is to draw comparisons.

Star Wars Mafia (baddie Glorfindel)

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Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not a good result. RIP Bass.

I've skimmed quickly. Don't have time for a detailed catchup this morning.

For now, I have the following thoughts:

1) Glorfindel, you're suspicious based on tone as well as the lack of thoughts you espew. Also, your Day 2 vote stinks

You call that a thought? A comedy routine more likely. Just how pray tell is my tone suspicious? And MY Day 2 vote stinks? At least I made one which is more than I can say for a lot of players this game and yet you target me? Again? My vote wasn't on one of our power roles nor was it on what is looking to me like an increasingly Town-looking Enrique... I expect we'll find out soon enough then. You don't know that Russtifinko isn't non-Town (whatever they're called) so for you to criticise my vote just makes you look like you're grasping at straws and pretty transparently at that...

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Glorfindel, what else do you have to say to the accusation that you've been defending yourself too much but not hunting enough?

Not much. The accusation when looked at objectively is clearly justified. I have clearly not spent the time and effort in 'hunting' as I should have at this point. I could point out that this is partly due to the fact that I have pracitically no point of reference for the behaviour of any player in this game but I won't bother. My judgements and my votes have been based on the only thing upon which I have to rely at this point - gut instinct. I believe that it's served me well so far although you and others obviously dispute that...

On that point, I still remain highly suspicious of Russtifinko (as I have said for some considerable time) and that is again where my vote will lie today.

@Zebra - please don't be concerned about my reaction to you in my post last night - my views and opinions have not changed but as I keep saying, that is my issue to deal with and shouldn't influence in any way your vote.

Glorfindel wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:And for the record regarding that rainbow reads list I want, I'm not telling you what to do and I'm not talking down to you, as a few have accused me of doing earlier. I'm just telling you what I think you should do if you have any interest of convincing me (and probably others as well) that you are town.

Let me get this straight - you demand a 'rainbow list' from me after what is one of the worst instances of ridicule and some of the most threatening tone that I've ever seen anyone subjected to and you reckon you're neither telling me what to do or talking down to me? Let me give you a tip - you need to take a good long hard look at yourself my friend.

In all the games I have played at other sites, I've not once EVER compiled a 'rainbow list' and I'm not about to start now. I'm not going to commit myself to saying anyone is Town at this point as (apart from the POSSIBLE exceptions of Sig and Enrique) I don't trust a single one of you. I don't really care less what you think of me, but you make an absolute mockery of everything I've been told about this site and at this point, you won't be needing to worry about me in any game here in the future if this is what passes for objective analysis on this site. Up until now I was pretty solidly convinced you were Town. Now I don't really care.

Glorfindel wrote:@Metalmarsh: Thank you for all the work you put into that ISO read on me. I suppose I should be grateful you considered me worth the time you took to do that... I can't say it wasn't entertaining - you literally had me in fits of laughter with your analysis of my emoticons I've not seen that anywhere before and I can't help but think we're taking this a little too seriously if we use that as evidence to lynch someone!

As for Enrique, I don't know - I could easily be wrong. In my view his posts seem genuine, he posts a lot and his assertions and opinions seem (in my view) to suggest that they are the product of some consideration of players, their comments etc. I personally felt uncomfortable by the way his wagon built up momentum so quickly at the end of the last Day phase to the point where it appeared more opportunistic than anything else. I have a natural tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt and I'm also kinda reserved I guess so this is probably reflected (as you so eloquently) in my apparent reluctance to engage with a whole bunch of people I don't know). I accept that this problem lies squarely with me so I'm not blaming you if you find me suspicous as a result.

I'd also like to take issue with your criticism of my vote on Russtifinko. He's got less than half the posts I do, and I'M the one that's suspicious for allegedly lurking? REALLY?

I pulled these older quotes specifically because they feature Glorfindel responding some manner of accusations. Glorfindel was a baddie in this game, and he seemed to draw a lot of heat (as far as I can tell looking at this game now, I was not in it). There's a consistent theme in his responses: haughty incredulity. All of his responses read to me like they're being spoken by a man with Costanza eyes.

Spoiler: show

The only time it gets at all "personal" is in his response to Zebra, though it's still entirely related to the accusation itself and not the personality of the accuser. There were some other moments in this game when Glorfindel lamented about the state of the site in general, and eventually he did replace out of the game entirely. That is consistent at least with his play in this game, short of the replacement. The incredulity doesn't line up though -- when he's been accused in this game, it has been something that has frustrated and angered him, there has been no laughter or joy at all in his replies.

Arkham Mafia (civilian Glorfindel)

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Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:No problem, bud!

If you all disagree with me, that's totally fine with me; I'd be happy with a lynch of someone active too, particularly Glorfindel (he's increasingly seeming like his Star Wars self, and his lack of hunting is not convincing me otherwise) and sprityo (though, like others have speculated, it's very possible he's an inmate who's won). I just thought I'd throw my hat in the ring again this time for another inactive lynch. I may or may not go the same way tomorrow though. Just gotta see when I'll have some time to actually put more than a half-assed effort in the game at this point, since hosting is taking up a bunch of time.

@MP - my friend, you have gone from defending me at one point saying something to the effect that you would look suspiciously upon anyone who voted for me to advocating my lynching - and all of this seemingly based on a comparison between my playstyle in Star Wars and this game. I'm asking you now to explain what it is precisely that you identified in that comparison to lead you to such an apparent about face - it must surely have been something conclusive to have led you to such a change of heart.

Glorf, sorry I haven't answered this before now. I've been swamped hosting another game among many other things.

I did say that I would view anyone who bandwagoned onto you and didn't discuss anyone else a few cycles ago with suspicion, yes. But since then, the game has developed, and I still have yet to see any real town-minded effort from you with regards to discussing suspects and actual hunting; rather, you seem way more interested in defending yourself over and over again, but by telling us how you're an obvious townie and trying to play off of emotional posts, rather than show us posts where you have exhibited town-minded hunting behavior.

I rightfully view that with suspicion.

MP, your post disappoints me greatly. There are a number of things you've said there that are incidental to the outcome of this game that I will address later down the track. Let me say for now that it is difficult to not look like you're constantly defending yourself when you are subject to sustained false accusations as I have been by those of you who insist on making unsubstantiated claims about my playstyle being similar to that of Star Wars (where I was Mafia). Despite that, I have been doing my best (and spent considerable time and energy) to analyse other player's post. But then no one notices although whether that is deliberate and convenient who knows

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Between work, and Admin-y things, I have spent all of my Mafia time here. I need to go see the other thread, I have barely been in there, so I am going to vote now.

Glorfindel, I think you are a very kind person, a gentleman, and a breath of fresh air. I also think you drew a bad role this game.

*Glorfindel*

My role is not the issue here my friend (as you will see for yourself at some point). The issue is purely the distorted lens through which you and others have and are judging my comments throughout this game. I doubt a single one of you (with the exception of Golden and maybe Juliets) has even attempted to stand back and consider the possibility that I am genuine. I'd like to think that (in that respect) there would be a perceptible similarity between my performance and my Pikmin game. Thank you for saying those nice things about me and I'm sorry but the fact that you can see that and believe that I am bad in spite of that says more about how you see things than it does about me. I've explained ad nauseum to you that the post to which you refer was 'crafted' the way it was out of respect for my fellow players. I could see grounds for your suspicions had you been able to identify some inconsistency with my subsequent posts but you haven't and I doubt you can. It's much the same thing that we've just witnessed with Matt and Golden and that ridiculous Two-Face accusation that has been leveled at me. The fact that Matt interpreted that 'data' he collected in the way he did, in an unbalanced way illustrates well the struggle that I'm having with this game right now in that his first assumption was that I was bad and he interpreted my posts in that way.

Glorfindel wrote:I said a day or so ago that I was committed to my Team and would be to the end. I recognise my responsibility to them to do everything in my power to secure a win for our Team. As things stand right now, I don't believe there is any point to me continuing to post in this thread as it has become apparent to me that there is not a single person playing (with the possible exception of Bubbles) who is prepared to accept that I may be innocent. There has been some suggestion made this morning of a link between Bubbles' alignment and mine. I can assure you that there is no truth to this assumption whatsoever.

My point here is that as I see it, no one is listening (in truth, many of you stopped listening long ago). My issue is that you are all being deceived and there is nothing that I can do to convince any of you otherwise - but as I say, that's MY issue. You are going to believe what you want and at the end of the day, you will bear the consequences of the choices you make. I'm pretty satisfied that I've done everything in my power albeit to no avail. I think I'll be leaving this in your hands now. Vote for me. Vote for Bubbles. The choice is yours. If any of you realise the error of your ways before it's too late, let me know and if I'm able, I'll return to support you however I can. Good luck, Guys!

Glorfindel wrote:Alright, I have some things I want to say at this point. I've played probably about 30+ games now across four sites and what I'm seeing right now is in all likelihood (given we are well into this game and it's not Day 1 anymore) the worst mislynch that has occurred in any of them. All the cases that have been brought against me have been some of the weakest I've seen in my experience and despite demanding continuously for my accusers to elaborate on those cases (e.g. Star Wars vs this game) I've been given nothing. As I've said previously, whether you vote for me because you judge me to be bad or vote for Bubbles because you judge me to be bad says infinitely more about all of you than it does about me. I have in my view, done all that I reasonably could to fulfill my role in this game but in the end the avalanche of suspicion that has fallen upon me is something about which I can do very little.

As a committed member of our team, I'm going to place my vote where I think it belongs. Some of you may know more about what's going on in this game than I but for me, I think S-V-S's case on me has from the very beginning been a work of fiction. She's pushed that argument ever since and seems to have found enough people gullible enough to believe it. I think her self-voting (despite her stated reasons for doing so) is bad. If she is Town, I'd see that as an irresponsible and self indulgent act and question her loyalty to our Team.

I'd also like to put on record my gut-wrenching disappointment at one of my fellow players whom I have come to respect deeply who apparently has found it so easy to disregard what they know to be true and abandon me to the point where they no longer care about my lynching. It's a pretty bitter pill to swallow and although this is a game, I'm still bitterly disappointed about that.

As for this game and my part in it, I think you guys are going to hopefully take some lessons from it. One being Matt's Two-Face theory on me. That defied all logic from the time that he made that post yet, many of you still bought it. For the sake of all of you, my Team, I hope you can still pull this one out of the fire.

"A penny for my thoughts? Oh no, I'll sell 'em for a dollar,
They're worth so much more after I'm a goner
And then maybe then you'll hear the words I've been singing.
Funny when you're dead how people start listening.
If I die young, bury me in satin,
Lay me down on a bed of roses,
Sink me in the river at dawn.
Send me away to the words of a love song."

If I Die Young - The Band Perry.

I'm giving this one its own spoiler, it might be significant soon:

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Glorfindel wrote:

Golden wrote:IF bubbles is bad... and not the last member of her team.

THEN I will think I've been wrong about you.

Because bubbles vote did look like an attempted save.

OK, I confess - this really hurt. I've no idea of Bubbles' alignment and the fact that either way you'd link her alignment to mine over your own gut-read is frankly bitterly disappointing.

At this point, I'm not voting for Bubbles based solely on the fact that she defended me. If you can come up with something more conclusive, I'd consider it but until then I can't see that lynching her will necessarily prove anything at all.

In this game, the most apparent theme in Glorfindel's responses to accusations (and he got a lot of heat in this game too) was despair. He couldn't stand it, he made it obvious that he couldn't stand it, and he voiced his total disappointment with everyone involved.

He also did so by using a lot of words.

This looks to me almost identical to what he's posted in this game.

The quote I put in a separate spoiler in which he responds to Golden is significant because it's how he responded to losing the trust of someone who had previously been defending him in the game (also note the highlighted portion -- this reflects perfectly his response to the pseudo link I drew between Glorfindel and Black Rock in this game). There's an obvious parallel for that in this game -- me. I've defended him more than anyone else in this game. So I just told Glorfindel that I think he's bad without saying why to incite whatever response he might provide in light of losing his most vocal ally again. We'll see if he responds to that and maybe compare accordingly, but the value is largely lost now. I wanted him to respond before I posted this, but I don't have time for that.

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Notes:

~ I think the prevailing argument against Glorfindel that his posts are long and wordy without many stances being taken is bunk. That's who he is. It's obvious if you look at his performance in other games. It doesn't mean he's good, but it's a shit argument to call him bad for it. He heard "you defend yourself too much and don't look for suspects enough!" all day in Arkham Mafia and it was wrong then.

~ To me he looks more like Arkham/civilian Glorfindel than Star Wars/baddie Glorfindel.

~ In terms of meta and at face value, I'm comfortable to continue saying that Glorfindel absolutely looks to me like a civilian.

The only argument I see against Glorfindel that I think still has merit given what I've examined here relates to his cylon claim. That's something I'll continue to talk with him about. But I no longer respect the face value case against him very much. I think it's pretty weak, and that so many people have clung to it looks worse than he does to me as a result.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Overall this is a very mixed bag. I will admit though that the positive points I made are moving me more than the negative and that my suspicion of bea has decreased through this exercise. That is of course reliant upon the notion that Glorfindel was on a baddie team and knew who his team mates were, which is itself speculative.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I wasn't calling you obtuse. I was asking if you were being obtuse.

I don't believe the game is as easy as only having Cavil and Doral left. If it is then they could be on opposite teams.

If I made the game:
Cavil faction: 1, 4, 5, 8.
Other faction: 2, 3, 6.

I don't assume 6 is an indy role. I think she is bad. Same with Leoben. I think they may have secret win cons to do with their respective partners, Kara and Giaus.

I think Giaus and Romo and Cain are more likely for indy roles.

We will have the final five to deal with at some point.

Linki: Yes, Epig.

I see you already answered my previous question. I think it's quite a reach to call 7 of the 8 cylons baddies, and if lore is the standard then everything people have said about that would seem to operate against your assertions. I also don't think that'd be balanced at all -- too many non-civilians, one of the baddie teams is smaller than the other (and it doesn't include the most recruitment-compatible role in Cavil), and then there are the Final Five which will amount to who knows what.

I don't agree with you.

Do you think any humans are on a mafia team rather than being "bad independents"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm going to feed the confirmation bias by saying that I don't think there are two teams. The existence of one [likely] independent with less-than-agreeable motives already revealed, and the smaller Cavil faction is likely to be augmented by the Final Five stuff in the end. I have no idea whether there's any recruitment; that's better left to the people who know the lore. I hate recruitment and think it's almost never balanced, but it's possible that it's here.

wiki wrote: One faction consists of the Number Ones, the Number Fours, the Number Fives, and the Number Eight copy known as Sharon Valerii, under the leadership of the Number One copy known as Cavil.

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:To?

You... You're a likely candidate.

So, lynch me just in case.

Got it.

sig wrote:If Epi was recruited I doubt he'd have pursued Glorfindel unless Glorfindel was actually good, which is highly unlikely.

Epignosis wrote:To?

Epignosis wrote:Okay. There's a recruiter.

What do you do about it?

Dex wrote:My own take is that there was a 4-player BTSC team, Cavil's faction, of which only Cavil and Doral remain. But we'll also have to contend with the Final Five, and I have no idea how that mechanic is going to play out.

Additionally, I have become convinced that we are going to see a Gaeta's rebellion, which will pit us against Gaeta and Zarek. If there are any recruiters in the game, I'd look to these guys.

But, you know. Lore.

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Or throw someone under the bus? Is this not done anymore?

I think two mafia teams in this size games makes more sense though.

Save for a ping from Scotty, JJJ's case bloomed into a wagon. If we're talking bus, we're talking The King of Bus Mountain here.

I have done this to my team before. I think they told me they hated me......

Maybe we still do

Ricochet wrote:Recruit team with kill? Game is broken, town is fraked.

Recruit team without kill? Sure, make that two ways of judging things differently, then. But then the angle of JJJ hunting nutella doesn't really matter. It was on Day 2 and JJJ could have been recruited at any point in the game.

I have seen civs win a two team game with a recruit factor. I hosted it, and the host of this game won it, Dogma.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Or throw someone under the bus? Is this not done anymore?

I think two mafia teams in this size games makes more sense though.

Save for a ping from Scotty, JJJ's case bloomed into a wagon. If we're talking bus, we're talking The King of Bus Mountain here.

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

Two mafia factions.

Comprised of?

Ricochet wrote:I feel the assumption that JJJ might be bad needs to pass the test of explaining how could JJJ have initiated and carried nutella's hunt all the way through on Day Two.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:When Glorfindel still felt like he had a puncher's chance on Day 6 and I pressed him to give me suspects, the name he pushed hardest was Black Rock. That makes me reconsider my baddie read on her.

Dex wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.

Can you say why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.

This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dex wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's probably for the best that I wasn't around. I'd have resisted that lynch for most of Day 7.

Can you say why?

Toward the end of Night 6 I put up a pretty big post describing the behavior of Glorfindel as a baddie and as a townie in two recent games, and I felt his behavior in this game was closer to that of his townie game.

Dex wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's a total certainty that this role was a "bad" one, but lore would suggest that it is -- and if lore doesn't determine alignment then I have no idea what would. It'd be a randomized game with no possible analytic process.

This appears contradictory. Can you help me understand the thought process here?

I don't know what would determine alignment if lore does not, but that doesn't mean it has to be lore. It means I don't know. If I have no other information available I'm willing to go with lore as the standard, which would suggest Glorfindel was bad/aligned with Cavil.

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Anyway, post-flip, I don't know what this tells us about sig. There was an absolute defensive bond between the two, but sig still likely survived a lynch as second wagon, so unless it's the mafia team that had a lynch stop, his status is still ambiguous. Not sure what to say of Matt reading the two as Baltar-Six, after which he just wiggled out with a sideline vote.

Blah blah blah.

RIH Boomer.

Good call on Glorfy everyone but I refuse to apologize for presenting ideas that may not be popular to the majority of town. I thought it was possible Glorfy and sig were Six/Baltar, and I was wrong. Nothing more to it then that.

Good thing nobody listen, then, eyyyy?

Dex wrote:Way to fight the good fight Glorfindel.

We're down to Cavil and Doral. I'd say we're in pretty darn good shape.

My suspicion of ObsAll has cooled significantly on account of her early vote for the Glorf. My three top suspects at this time are Rico, Bea, and BR.

Ricochet wrote:Well, that was a disaster. EBWOP

Golden wrote:Vompatti is henceforth put in the brig and silenced for the rest of the day for his fifth failure to address the Admiral appropriately.

This is a warning. Another failure will result in execution.

It was nice knowing you, Voops.

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Well balance comes in the Host design. The Law's content is not the Host's creation. At the very best the Host could moderate the Law the Presidents creates, if necessary, but once issued, if there are "balancing" issues and the Host would need to modify something, again, it would sound like too much crazy backstage stuff. Henceforth, I see not reason to believe a clause that the first baddie Cylon's claim and survival would trigger something, if purely based on the Law.

Give me a break. The host has this game planned out. If the player made a law that unbalanced the game the host would balance it. I don't even really care about this point anyway. You like to argue about stupid shit, so he we go.
I don't care what you see as you're bad and did not claim. You will discredit anything that makes those look worse.
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Why are you writing in dead?

I agree the Host has this game planned out, I don't agree it has planned out what the President will enact. What you said underlined is what I said underlined. Moderation from the Host could come at the point of the President conceiving his law. It doesn't mean the Host will accept a law and just craft his own ammendment in secrecy. Then again, I've been farked before by semi-closed setups, when I expressed disbelief at something being allowed by the Host, so who knows, but right now, I'm still choosing to believe added gameplay mechanics to an unbalanced law is not part of the PLAN. And I will definitely not decide to lynch Glorfindel, if anything, based on this theory that his claim triggered the impeachment.

And yes, I do like to argue about anything. Especially when I'm winning at it.

rabbit8 wrote:So nutella could be bad? Get a fucking backbone already. Or you want people to doubt it? Because a lot of assumptions are being based on her being bad and you seem to think she might not be be? Which is?

All I said is that we can assume nutella to be a baddie Cylon. What's wrong with that? Lynch flips are not a thing in this game, it seems, so there's no actual certainty; only lore can point at the likelihood of that. Also, maybe you didn't happen to get to Day Three, but I spent that Day making a full set of reads on players, based on the idea that nutella was bad and there are interactions to be extracted out of that. So how am I opposing the idea, again?

rabbit8 wrote:You're the one Glof is talking about using lore to get your agenda done, This is for Epig to see. I don't care if you respond, Rico.

Good, cause I have no idea what you mean or what you think I did. Glor proposed that Mafia is using lore to dig his grave, during Day Six. So I did that how exactly, since I never voted for him?

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Rico is way to obsessed with the checkerboard and checking patterns being respected and not opening up to interpretation and manipulation.

Fixed it for you. Even so, what do you mean to say with my obsession about the checkerboard and what does it tell you, in ways that you might suspect me? You've just thrown this sentence out there, with no effect.

You changed my words and that's bullshit. So everyone knows YOU added words in the quote. All you had to do was add them under the quote. But you like to twist things.

Will you chill. Do you not use the internet? "Fixed", in memetic language, means to transform a person's original post to signal your thoughts on what really happened and where the person might be mistaken. Which is exactly what I did.

rabbit8 wrote: No you're way to obsessed with the bullshit in the game. You're bad and using them as a cover and a spring board to making accusations that someone didn't follow the stupid rules or do what you, a baddies, wants. Trying to control everything or have your hand in everything is a pure mafia tactic. I've fucking pulled it years ago. Like arguing with ika. Control the message, early and often. You're slipping though because you over due it.

I'm not slipping on anything and you don't really have a grasp on what accusations you're hurling at me, either.

rabbit8 wrote:Well done not voting for nutella and now claiming she COULD be bad.

Could be assumed. This time I didn't used the "Fixed" method.

bea wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So yeah, I voted for sig to save my own ass. Anyone who can't understand that and thinks there was some case I made on him, well.....

wabbit -I ask you tried and true. Do you see what I was saying or do you still think I was buddying bad?
at this point in my catch up you have not addressed me after making a fairly large case - and after me responding. I don't know what to make of any of that. Are we good? I feel like we should be on the same page? If there's something I'm missing please clue me in. Cuz I really really think that you and me and svs could all be civs. I know it's crazy talk. but possible...

Ricochet wrote:7.1

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:A countereffect of a law that's in no way mentioned in that law sounds like too much crazy stuff happening backstage.

Balancing effect. I used them in a lot of my games.

Well balance comes in the Host design. The Law's content is not the Host's creation. At the very best the Host could moderate the Law the Presidents creates, if necessary, but once issued, if there are "balancing" issues and the Host would need to modify something, again, it would sound like too much crazy backstage stuff. Henceforth, I see not reason to believe a clause that the first baddie Cylon's claim and survival would trigger something, if purely based on the Law.

Give me a break. The host has this game planned out. If the player made a law that unbalanced the game the host would balance it. I don't even really care about this point anyway. You like to argue about stupid shit, so he we go.
I don't care what you see as you're bad and did not claim. You will discredit anything that makes those look worse.
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Ricochet wrote:
7.4.

rabbit8 wrote:I don't find zeebs bad at all during Day 2. I disagree with Rico and his vote another major lynch he didn't get involved in and the only one that produce a baddie. The last lynch was another baddie in Glorf, and Ricco runs away again...

Circumstantial.

Also, you contradict yourself there, yet again. Nutella lynch was "the only one to produce a baddie". Literally one sentence later, "last lynch" produced "another baddie". You're misconstruing lynch results that we know nothing of or don't have full objective info on (Simon/nutella could be assumed baddie-Cylon, meanwhile we don't even know Glorfindel's role, because he wasn't lynched) to make it look like I looked the other way both times.

So nutella could be bad? Get a fucking backbone already. Or you want people to doubt it? Because a lot of assumptions are being based on her being bad and you seem to think she might not be be? Which is?

The last line I wrote was my opinion, not a contradiction to the fact we've only lynched 1 baddie cylon. You know I didn't contradict myself. You know we don't know if glof is bad. You wrote it right there. You like to twist things and use buzzer words. I get it. You want to make me look bad. It's not working.

rabbit8 wrote:Wont the final 5 do exactly that, bloom out of nowhere? I disagree here. I think there is a likely hood of two teams and did from day 1.

Yes, the Final Five may "bloom out of nowhere", but lore doesn't lead to the assumption they will all be Mafia. The topic with LoRab was on there being 2 Cylon Mafia teams. There's hardly any numbers, within the Cylon ranks, including how the Final Five may convert, to express certainty in this theory.

You're the one Glof is talking about using lore to get your agenda done, This is for Epig to see. I don't care if you respond, Rico.

rabbit8 wrote:Rico is way to obsessed with the checkerboard and checking patterns being respected and not opening up to interpretation and manipulation.

Fixed it for you. Even so, what do you mean to say with my obsession about the checkerboard and what does it tell you, in ways that you might suspect me? You've just thrown this sentence out there, with no effect.

You changed my words and that's bullshit. So everyone knows YOU added words in the quote. All you had to do was add them under the quote. But you like to twist things. No you're way to obsessed with the bullshit in the game. You're bad and using them as a cover and a spring board to making accusations that someone didn't follow the stupid rules or do what you, a baddies, wants. Trying to control everything or have your hand in everything is a pure mafia tactic. I've fucking pulled it years ago. Like arguing with ika. Control the message, early and often. You're slipping though because you over due it.

Ricochet wrote:[quote="rabbit8"Re: Zebra, two clarifications: 1) it's not about "relying on meta", it's about reasoning and voting on meta alone, and quite wild meta, too, and 2) what I see her doing here she did as a baddie before. I don't have strong recollection of this being her civ MO or at least comparatively null on how she does business.

Just bullshit.

If you say so. You don't say why so, you just say so. So...

You're the meta ninja, I get it. You know what everyone will do based on what they have done because they're fucking robots.

Ricochet wrote:

LoRab wrote:I assume mafia has BTSC, or at least partial BTSC (some members don't have it or don't have it yet). I also assume recruitment is a possibility. And I'm not personally ruling out that there could be more than one mafia. I don't know the show, but can someone who does comment on if would it make sense for there to be an evil faction of humans? Could that be the final 5? Or would it make sense for there to be 2 cylon mafia groupings?

I don't know if a two-team mafia is possible in this game, based on show context, but I'm leaning on doubting that. The Final Five in the show split into four cylons that continued to help the human race and 1 Cylon that embraced being a Cylon against humans. That's hardly probable material for a second mafia team, to bloom out of nowhere, at least imo.

indiglo wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Well done Juliets And so say we all, I completely forgot ...

Im entertaining the idea that JJJ might be bad. He seems to strive to look P50, but it feels forced. Thats only tone though, I can barely remember anything he has said. Although that might be a point in itself. Im feeling good about Rico though.

What does everyone think of JJJ?

Linki -

I am not currently comfortable with JJJ. And I believe there are several others who feel the same way. He has been missing several details, and that just doesn't seem like careful JJJ.

I believe Epi mentioned the possibility of JJJ casting a vote to save Rico... I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I definitely felt like JJJ was holding his vote to see where others voted. Which, many times, points to mafia.

Ricochet wrote:Scotty, the process I'm talking about being ok with is that DFaraday didn't try to squeeze in a likely weaksauce votepost, after strengthening that much the idea that he's stuck in catchup limbo. Never said I don't expect or would like him to finally do pick up and get those reads and votes rolling. First post is consistent to me to a reaction on how many pages he might have woken up to. Second post contained justification because you pressure voted him.

Re: Zebra, two clarifications: 1) it's not about "relying on meta", it's about reasoning and voting on meta alone, and quite wild meta, too, and 2) what I see her doing here she did as a baddie before. I don't have strong recollection of this being her civ MO or at least comparatively null on how she does business.

nutella wrote:I said I would figure out who my top suspects are but I honestly have no idea. At this point I feel like anyone could be bad and I'd have no clue, though there are a handful of people I trust more than others.

Lots of people have named G-Man as a top suspect and I'm curious about that -- I haven't seen as much silly posting or participation in general as I might expect from him, but idk. I was also pretty on board with the observation that JJJ was not his usual zillions-of-posts self, but he's jumped in to do some ISOs as a response to that accusation, and I'm not sure whether to read that as defensive coverage or just a change in timing/availability/energy.

I would like to hear more from Zebra, I think I tend to get odd vibes from her usually but I'm really unclear on what she's done this game and her name sticks out as one I'm curious about. In fact I might go look at her ISO and see what I find (all I remember is the OA thing).

bea wrote:why for the rico vote zeebs? I feel pretty good about him - what are you seeing that I'm not?

Ricochet wrote:A countereffect of a law that's in no way mentioned in that law sounds like too much crazy stuff happening backstage.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rabbit8 suggested the event could be triggered by the first bad cylon being saved, which could be Glorfindel. It's plausible.

Holy fuck, I will actually respect you now. I couldn't before because I've never been able to fuck with you.

I'll give you an answer to at least 1 question you ask, any one? Maybe...

Who do you think looked good and who looked bad emerging from the nutella lynch?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Rabbit8 suggested the event could be triggered by the first bad cylon being saved, which could be Glorfindel. It's plausible.

Dex wrote:

G-Man wrote:Honestly the impeachment angle makes more sense to me than Gaius have a mechanic to get himself elected. What say those knowledgeable in show lore? Anything there to help us on this one?

I'm going with 3Js idea that sig winning the lynch was the trigger for the New Caprica event. It just rings true to me. At the same time I feel it is of little consequence and am not worked up enough about it to debate the point.

Matt, your idea of the sig/glorf connection is a lovely idea and seemingly has actual thread proof to back it up, but is only spoiled by being wrong. For the first time, we have a Cavil faction cylon's throat under our heel in Glorf. Please let's not let this opportunity wiggle away. Crush him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I evade stupidity at all costs.....

If only it worked.

No, you evade sound arguments.

Ricochet wrote:

Matt wrote:Also, President Gaius (whether that be sig or rabbit or even Epig)...

lolque!

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I evade stupidity at all costs.....

If only it worked.

Get angry all you want, not my fault you can't answer questions straight when asked.

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:This isn't even close. Glorfindel is being saved. Drumbeats and rabbit8 are doing the saving. Why is rabbit8 suddenly voting sig?

Cause I'm totally a scum......

rabbit8 wrote:

sig wrote:Yeah rabbit you are, just like zebra.

I know right.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So yeah, I voted for sig to save my own ass. Anyone who can't understand that and thinks there was some case I made on him, well.....

Glorfindel 5
sig 4
zebra/rabbit 3

rabbit8 wrote:I voted for sig to save my own ass.

Sure you did.

Also, re: your shrug reply, that's quite alright. I wasn't counting on you having actual counter-arguments, anyway.

rabbit8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:Glor is almost lock cleared maybe? idk.

Polo is almost certainly mafia. his content is super scummy as well as his other posts I'll pull some up tomorrow.
Zebra/Rabbit got to go they are super scummy espacilly after rabbits last minute attempt to lynch me either this is a save or he was trying to get rid of me since I suspected them.
Drum is mafia for voting me :P
Wilgy is cylon and MOST LIKELY MAFIA and he should be lynched.

Based on?

I'm actually starting to become annoyed at a handful of players stating "he's mafia he's mafia" while not providing any means or reason why that can be disputed or discussed. I think this is the last time I respond to "Wilgy's Mafia for no reason" and I'm not going to argue baseless claims anymore. This means you: Sig, Drum, OA, and Sokoth.

@Rabbit, you both saved Sig, the votes were in glorf's favor (as in potentially not getting lynched) during both of your votes.

Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...

Well, I was under the impression I would be lynched if Glof did not get lynched, so I made sure sig had the most votes. I did not know there would be no lynch.

SVS alluded to my death here:

S~V~S wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Matt wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ah but you need to go back and read how I replied to that post of BRs you quoted, Rabbit. I DID think all cylons were bad at the start of the game. I never saw this show. No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.

I did.

Specifically listed Athena too, as I recall.

3J asked why I believe Wilgy is a confirmed civvie...I don't. But Dex (and maybe someone else, I think it was Rico who said I was on drugs) asked me to read the rest of the thread before I do that, so I thought maybe he became one.

Derp.

Yeah, he's definitely not. Basically my understand of things is that Dex provided very solid reasoning as to why we likely have two more civ cylons other than Epig, Cap Six and Leo. However, I have seen nothing that points to Wilgy being one of them.

Did you go back in Wilgys posts and look for what Dex said to look for? You should make the effort,imo.

If Glorfindel claims, and if the votes stay as they are, Zeebbit is gonna die, and I don't think he is bad. And I want to go to bed, so I gotta vote now.

So as a counterwagon, I am gonna vote sig as a just in case Glorf claims, since a few days ago everyone thought he was bad, and he has dropped way down since then, and I think him more likely to be bad than Rabbit, Wilgy or OA, the other people with votes.

Linki @Drum, maybe Dex is reluctant to talk about it becasue there may be certain things a certain glowy yellow metallic personage may not want him to say. Maybe think about that.

*voting sig*

So making sure I was not going to get lynched seem to make sense. Guess not.

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You didn't offer me facts. You gave me opinions and perceptions.

Fine. I'll work with that. What roles are bad?

Morning tea...

I never claimed to have facts Epi and if you think you have any more than the rest of us you're kidding yourself. The absence of them I think is what makes this game so 'challenging'. Your other question is interesting and I do have an opinion or two but I may not have time to get back to you before my lunch/EoD (and potentially EoMe) but I'll try if I get the opportunity.

Well, I'm not nice like you.

You claim civilians have no chance, but you have nothing to back it up. I think you are deceptive and bad. I hope you get lynched.

Here's a smiley face to prove I'm being nice when I say that.

Not so, my friend. I have the one thing necessary to see the truth - something you and the remainder of our team appear to lack - an open mind.

It appears that my own team have unwittingly conspired with the Mafia to eliminate me from this game so I'll play your little game and for the good of our Town team claim immunity under the Cylon Amnesty Act - I am a Cylon.

Dex wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I still can't find where Glorf has the lead. Can someone please explain it like I'm 5? after then I'll actually dip, need to go get food.

Polo's is clearset. It's just up here^^

Glorfindel:

Silverwolf (3), Dex (8), insertnamehere (20), Matt (21), G-Man (24), sig (30) + Vompatti

Vompatti wrote:vote 2: glorfindel.

Silverwolf's vote is invalid because she was replaced. Total votes for Glorfindel = 6.


sig:

a2thezebra (2), Metalmarsh89 (19), S~V~S (25), JaggedJimmyJay (26), DrumBeats (27), rabbit8 (29)

Zebra's vote is invalid because she was also replaced. Total votes for sig = 5.

Dex wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Well, I was under the impression I would be lynched if Glof did not get lynched, so I made sure sig had the most votes.

You were correct, in danger of being lynched, and your vote for sig made imminent sense.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote: Uh huh. Sure. Go with that. I will vote for you until you're lynched.

Good luck with that.

rabbit8 wrote: You asked me to give you answers to what I had already given in my posts.

I asked you to read into the Day Two lynch dynamic, which is closest to a confirmed baddie having been lynched, given that you called it "almost" skippable. You offered me no answers or had no answers in your posts. Your bea and SVS cases and whatever other hunt you pursued don't like with nutella's lynch.

rabbit8 wrote:Thus, to ISO myself. My skills are fine.

You keep being confused. If anything, I asked you to look into/ISO other players, in search of suspects based on Day Two affair. Again, you have no posts regarding that, as to simply draw them out of your own ISO.

rabbit8 wrote: You asked, got my answer, then proceed to vote for me because you didn't like my response. So do as I say or else fits aptly.

Oh, what answers did I get?

Was it this?

rabbit8 wrote:Again

Reading comprehension......

Was it this?

rabbit8 wrote:Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

Was it this?

rabbit8 wrote:

Was it this?

rabbit8 wrote:

Sure "got answers", alright.

You're right about not liking your responses. Justly so, too.

rabbit8 wrote: Very weaselly way to get out of claiming. You can make whatever excuses you want.

It's called having a principle. Such as the principle of my fakeclaiming (since I'm human, so the claim doesn't help me in any way) having an impact on the actual plan. Such as the principle of the plan to claim being fulfilled, instead of left partial. And so on.

rabbit8 wrote:Nice way to stay out of a meaningful lynch. Evasive voting. Nicely done, sir.

Well, glad you, unlike me, allegedly stayed within a meaningful lynch, voting sig becase, and I quote your marvellous case on him:

rabbit8 wrote:Bad.

Oh wait, it wasn't a case, it was needing to respond to someone else asking you about sig. How ironic.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:
Yeah, why no mention of Ricco and his stupid vote for Rabbit8?

You mean the vote for an uncooperative and crass player, who feels like playing however he pleases to and posting whatever he pleases to and can't answer a straight question about an important lynch outcome and would rather post an entire page of evasive snark insted, that replaced a suspicious player, who also felt like playing however she pleased and post whatever she pleased? I'd say it wasnt stupid at all. Glad to have rustled your jimmies, tho.

It's my parents fault I lack intelligence and refinement. You're stupid vote is your fault.

You found a way to weasel out of claiming and making a vote that mattered in an important lynch. I think you wanted me second because you knew Glof was going to claim and would not be lynched. But hey, if you think it's my responsibility to ISO myself because you said so, well then, I'm going to be uncooperative. Everything I wanted to say about who I suspected at the time had been said. You're do as I say or else attitude makes me want to annoy you, Jimmy.

I requested none of those, even if you would have them.

I didn't weasel out of any claiming, because I was very specific when I'd claim. Two more people needed to claim before me doing so. I have zero pressure on the matter of claiming. Saying I copped out of making a relevant lynch vote and wanted to push you into a relevant lynch spot is kinda contradictory, but anyway I voted for you to be lynched, good sir, I don't judge things in terms of who comes second or third.

I didn't ask for you to ISO yourself, how's them reading skills now? Asking about three or four times for simple thing only to get crass evasiveness thrown back doesn't make me a "do as I say or else"-er, but pretty sure what it makes you.

rabbit8 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:
Yeah, why no mention of Ricco and his stupid vote for Rabbit8?

You mean the vote for an uncooperative and crass player, who feels like playing however he pleases to and posting whatever he pleases to and can't answer a straight question about an important lynch outcome and would rather post an entire page of evasive snark insted, that replaced a suspicious player, who also felt like playing however she pleased and post whatever she pleased? I'd say it wasnt stupid at all. Glad to have rustled your jimmies, tho.

It's my parents fault I lack intelligence and refinement. You're Your stupid vote is your fault.

You found a way to weasel out of claiming and making a vote that mattered in an important lynch. I think you wanted me second because you knew Glof was going to claim and would not be lynched. But hey, if you think it's my responsibility to ISO myself because you said so, well then, I'm going to be uncooperative. Everything I wanted to say about who I suspected at the time had been said. You're do as I say or else attitude makes me want to annoy you, Jimmy.

Ricochet wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:
Yeah, why no mention of Ricco and his stupid vote for Rabbit8?

You mean the vote for an uncooperative and crass player, who feels like playing however he pleases to and posting whatever he pleases to and can't answer a straight question about an important lynch outcome and would rather post an entire page of evasive snark insted, that replaced a suspicious player, who also felt like playing however she pleased and post whatever she pleased? I'd say it wasnt stupid at all. Glad to have rustled your jimmies, tho.

Ricochet wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Well, isn't this a charming little discussion. Polo and Dex... Hardly surprising The conjecture around the impact of my claim is moot. What happened at EoD actually proves absolutely nothing about my species for all your Machiavellian theories. I'll tell you what all this looks like - I believe that before this EoD, our Mafia friends were sitting back slapping each other on their proverbial backs at the prospects of another perfectly executed plan resulting in a certain lynching of two candidates either of whom would be another notch in their belt with the remaining candidate the obvious target for Day 7.

The events of the EoD must have been a shock to them as their plans disappeared in a puff of smoke. It is likely that it took them some time to settle on a strategy in their BTSC and I think what we've witnessed here over the course of the last few hours is a desperate attempt to recover their position with these endless accusations against me - a sad attempt to get their plan back on course for the next Day Phase. This is the most transparent attempt at a stitch-up I've seen in some time. I think you guys seriously underestimate the ability of our team if you think anyone won't see this for what it is. I think both Dex and Polo deserve a very close look

So no chance of hearing from you why you think you survived the lynch, if it wasn't for you claiming Cylon, huh?

Or let me try to understand. Mafia was "perfectly executing" a plan to lynch you (and sig), upon which you claimed Cylon, and Mafia suddenly scrambled to push you further in the lynch. Which you survived.

So you've thwarted Mafia's plan to lynch you by claiming, which resulted in... you... getting lynched.



What about Dex and Polo makes you think they've contributed to the "stitch-up". Polo voted Zebra and Dex was the first to vote you, way ahead of the Day Phase.

Interesting that you mention nothing of players like Matt, G-Man, Sig or Bea, who actively pushed you ahead, nor do you bring up players like DrumBeats or Rabbit, who might look like having tried to even out sig (which, according to you, was also unjustly hunted) with you in the tally, at least for a while. Do they deserve a closer look or not?

DrWilgy wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:Glor is almost lock cleared maybe? idk.

Polo is almost certainly mafia. his content is super scummy as well as his other posts I'll pull some up tomorrow.
Zebra/Rabbit got to go they are super scummy espacilly after rabbits last minute attempt to lynch me either this is a save or he was trying to get rid of me since I suspected them.
Drum is mafia for voting me :P
Wilgy is cylon and MOST LIKELY MAFIA and he should be lynched.

Based on?

I'm actually starting to become annoyed at a handful of players stating "he's mafia he's mafia" while not providing any means or reason why that can be disputed or discussed. I think this is the last time I respond to "Wilgy's Mafia for no reason" and I'm not going to argue baseless claims anymore. This means you: Sig, Drum, OA, and Sokoth.

@Rabbit, you both saved Sig, the votes were in glorf's favor (as in potentially not getting lynched) during both of your votes.

Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...

Well, I was under the impression I would be lynched if Glof did not get lynched, so I made sure sig had the most votes. I did not know there would be no lynch.

SVS alluded to my death here:

S~V~S wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Matt wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ah but you need to go back and read how I replied to that post of BRs you quoted, Rabbit. I DID think all cylons were bad at the start of the game. I never saw this show. No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.

I did.

Specifically listed Athena too, as I recall.

3J asked why I believe Wilgy is a confirmed civvie...I don't. But Dex (and maybe someone else, I think it was Rico who said I was on drugs) asked me to read the rest of the thread before I do that, so I thought maybe he became one.

Derp.

Yeah, he's definitely not. Basically my understand of things is that Dex provided very solid reasoning as to why we likely have two more civ cylons other than Epig, Cap Six and Leo. However, I have seen nothing that points to Wilgy being one of them.

Did you go back in Wilgys posts and look for what Dex said to look for? You should make the effort,imo.

If Glorfindel claims, and if the votes stay as they are, Zeebbit is gonna die, and I don't think he is bad. And I want to go to bed, so I gotta vote now.

So as a counterwagon, I am gonna vote sig as a just in case Glorf claims, since a few days ago everyone thought he was bad, and he has dropped way down since then, and I think him more likely to be bad than Rabbit, Wilgy or OA, the other people with votes.

Linki @Drum, maybe Dex is reluctant to talk about it becasue there may be certain things a certain glowy yellow metallic personage may not want him to say. Maybe think about that.

*voting sig*

So making sure I was not going to get lynched seem to make sense. Guess not.

But Rabbit, Sig was up to 4 votes BEFORE you voted. You only had 3.

I need to rest my brain for abit. I'm thinking too much and need to be dippin out of the thread.

Linki - Who am I throwing shade on Sig?

Linki Linki - Yeah, just let me dip for a bit Dex.

Linki Linki Linki - Sig... you real? Glorf claimed. I don't understand how you keep missing claims.

Linki Linki Linki Linki - Well other than that you got anything to comment on Drum? Because I told you my reason for that, and if you are going to vote me for being lazy that's fine, just make sure you label it as such.

sig wrote:

Dex wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...

Wilgs, you're laboring under misapprehensions. Glorfindel had the most votes and is a cylon. Gaius' immunity didn't kick in until after the lynch.

Glorf never claimed.

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:Glor is almost lock cleared maybe? idk.

Polo is almost certainly mafia. his content is super scummy as well as his other posts I'll pull some up tomorrow.
Zebra/Rabbit got to go they are super scummy espacilly after rabbits last minute attempt to lynch me either this is a save or he was trying to get rid of me since I suspected them.
Drum is mafia for voting me :P
Wilgy is cylon and MOST LIKELY MAFIA and he should be lynched.

Based on?

I'm actually starting to become annoyed at a handful of players stating "he's mafia he's mafia" while not providing any means or reason why that can be disputed or discussed. I think this is the last time I respond to "Wilgy's Mafia for no reason" and I'm not going to argue baseless claims anymore. This means you: Sig, Drum, OA, and Sokoth.

@Rabbit, you both saved Sig, the votes were in glorf's favor (as in potentially not getting lynched) during both of your votes.

Now we have a conundrum. We don't know why either of these players survived, one may be Gaius, Glorf may be cylon. We don't know anything now because of coinflips...

S~V~S wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Matt wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ah but you need to go back and read how I replied to that post of BRs you quoted, Rabbit. I DID think all cylons were bad at the start of the game. I never saw this show. No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.

I did.

Specifically listed Athena too, as I recall.

3J asked why I believe Wilgy is a confirmed civvie...I don't. But Dex (and maybe someone else, I think it was Rico who said I was on drugs) asked me to read the rest of the thread before I do that, so I thought maybe he became one.

Derp.

Yeah, he's definitely not. Basically my understand of things is that Dex provided very solid reasoning as to why we likely have two more civ cylons other than Epig, Cap Six and Leo. However, I have seen nothing that points to Wilgy being one of them.

Did you go back in Wilgys posts and look for what Dex said to look for? You should make the effort,imo.

If Glorfindel claims, and if the votes stay as they are, Zeebbit is gonna die, and I don't think he is bad. And I want to go to bed, so I gotta vote now.

So as a counterwagon, I am gonna vote sig as a just in case Glorf claims, since a few days ago everyone thought he was bad, and he has dropped way down since then, and I think him more likely to be bad than Rabbit, Wilgy or OA, the other people with votes.

Linki @Drum, maybe Dex is reluctant to talk about it becasue there may be certain things a certain glowy yellow metallic personage may not want him to say. Maybe think about that.

*voting sig*