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timmer wrote:I think I'm going to vote for INH. There is this handful of players who posted a few things that have been commented and critiqued upon, and the rest of the players are picking those posts apart on a lightweight basis, but there seems to be a slight vibe leaning towards Wilgy and away from INH, which, if all of these Day 1 posts are roughly equal in mini-pinginess, is enough for me to go the other way. Nothing will become clearer in the next few hours, so it's enough for me.

If you have any questions or problems or what have you for me, I'd love to hear them. I'd also love to hear some concrete reasons instead of you just hinting at "pinginess," if that's not too much trouble.

Matt wrote:What's with everyone being anti-reaction baiting btw? It's DAY ONE (and ZERO) peeps, what else should we be doing? "Hey guys what's your favorite ice cream flavor?"

Seeing as I've played in many games where reaction baiting wasn't a thing, and there was still discussion on Day 1 and 0, so your assumption that reaction baiting is a natural part of mafia is just patently incorrect.

Plus, it's just unhelpful. Let's assume you're civilian, which is where I'm honestly leaning towards with you, picking on a random someone Day 0 just to see reactions is reckless in that you could be targeting a civilian, and people could find your false suspicion suspicious, and then vote for you. Even if you lay a trap and get somebody over semantics, there's still a very good chance all of this aggression is civilian versus civilian, simply because of how little you're basing your own suspicion on. Plus, it's sooo ridiculously easy for a baddie to find an excuse to try and lynch a civ by trying to trap people he knows aren't on his team. Plus, spreading misinformation and confusion in the thread even if it's ostensibly to find a baddie, is still detrimental to the civilian cause.

To summarize, reaction baiting is unnecessary, unhelpful, easily exploitable by scum, and downright harmful to civilians with its tactics.

Now, does this mean that I think you, Matt, are scum? No, not at all. Disagreement over playing styles isn't = to suspicion. However, Wilgy is someone I know has used these tactics as scum before and is using them in exactly the same way, which he admits! Right now, that's where my vote will most likely be headed.

DrWilgy wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DrWilgy wrote: Hmm? Did I stutter? No, but it would be funny if you did. Me inserting "hmm?" is an expression of thought. Things that I'm building up or pondering in my head will be responded to by a "hmm?" Hmm. When did I make a no you? When you accused me and Quin out of nowhere for no reason. I gave my reason for my suspicion on you INH. Your thoughts on it (referring to it as nonexistent) is interesting. Because I made a sarcastic jokey post about Matt, who I haven't actually said that I suspect, me and him must be on opposite teams, and we should lynch me to see if Matt is bad? That's based on such loose false reasoning that it just screams "I want to vote this guy, but I have to find some BS reason first." There's no actual logic or genuine thought behind it, so in my mind it registers as nonexistent. Also, it's true that I'm playing like I did in AoT. That's on purpose. Why is this alignment indicitive? Because you were bad in AoT Mafia. So? I've been bad in other games with other styles as well. I'm sorry, I don't have any knowledge of your other games because I've only played with you once. So I'm basing my suspicion on what I know, rather than making great leaps. Also, you basically admit that you're playing the same exact game as your baddie AoT game, and you expect people to not see that as suspicious? What?

DrWilgy wrote: Hmm? Did I stutter? When did I make a no you? When you accused me and Quin out of nowhere for no reason. Also, it's true that I'm playing like I did in AoT. That's on purpose. Why is this alignment indicitive? Because you were bad in AoT Mafia.

Elohcin wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Linki: How are Quin and INH, or Matt and INH possibly on the same team? Because I have not gleamed that from any Day 0 interactions.
For the most part, I don't think anyone really knows what they are talking about on Day 0/1. Especially in a closed set-up like this. I think players just throw shit out there to get a reaction from the people they mention. Civs want to use the reactions to decide whether the people they mention are bad or not. Baddies want to use the reactions to decide who they can easily "suspect" for something. Its a crapshoot this early and I, for one, am not listening to any hardcore claims that anyone has for another player.

I honestly hate this style of posturing, fake accusations, and saying random ass bullshit in the hopes of getting a mythical, legendary "accurate scum reaction." Which 9 times out of 10, proves to be dead wrong.

Also, scum love to do this style of playing, and it's honestly something I'll mark down as suspicious.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just an old relic of the times where cases were made on, you know, facts and shit, and not from people reading into reactions that other people had to whatever BS they decided to spout. Maybe this style of playing is the future. Who knows.

My reactions are in smiley format.

DrWilgy wrote: Why would have I needed something to say Epi?

INH put too much effort in his mockery of Matt's point system. Thus I think they are on opposite teams. The reason why I'm defending Matt is because of this. If INH is bad, then Matt is probably good.

Regarding Quin, I have no justification for why I think they are on the same team, thier patterns feel similar though.

In summary, your entire case is a crock of something that doesn't look like something I'd like to eat. This is you acting almost exactly like you did in AoT Mafia, making brazen NO U's, trying to interrogate people, and just making up bullshit justifications instead of following anything approaching logic.

Honestly, before this post, I was honestly thinking this was just Wilgy being Wilgy. Now I'm pretty sure there's more going on here.

Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hmm...

I think Quin and INH are on a team. I also think INH and Matt are on opposite teams. I also don't think bad Matt woud gimmick this early, unless he is strictly copying another game. He compared this point system to transistor, but I don't think he's copying what he did there.

Why is that question strange bullz? Feep free to answer the question yourself.
Why do you think INH and I are on a team?

Because we both criticized or said in the thread that we suspected him.

I'm guessing someone's role is that they gain a power every time they say "That's what she said."

I am town aligned

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You?
Nah, I'd target you SVS, not Matt or Bea! Silly SVS!
Well, since Matt is dancing around me, and I made a pointed post at Bea, my thought there was that you were hoping they would say "SVS". Feels kinda framey to me, tbh. Although kinda too obvious, too.

Are you trying to frame me WIlgy?
Nah, framing you this early might get the cops involved.

I actually didn't realize that both the players I asked had interactions with you (i've been skimming). I still look forward to thier responses nonetheless. Hey INH and Quin, if someone were to target you right now, who would that person be?

If I had to pick a name out of the five people I've gotten a half impression of, I'd say you, because nothing you've said so far has really assured me of your civvieness and I think that if you were bad you would target me because I read you correctly in AoT Mafia.

maybe these polls are going to be a nightly thing, and we'll uncover the roles/mechanics of this game bit by bit?

going with personell in the hopes that it'll give us a role list.

DrWilgy wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:If Cobalt doesn't reappear, lynch him.

INH, how long will you take until you begin to policy lynch no shows/wallflowers?
for me it's not really a thing of how long, it's more of a thing I'll do if there aren't any better options.
I feel that AoT mafia turned out the way it did because of this mindset. Do you agree or disagree?

I disagree, because my "logic and facts and stuff over playing with your gut" mindset lead me, the one civilian with a one-time use NK, to suspect and kill you, one of the baddies. You were the only baddie killed the entire game.

So, if anything, AoT just reinforced this mindset for me. Sorry that this wasn't the answer you were fishing for.

DrWilgy wrote:If Cobalt doesn't reappear, lynch him.

INH, how long will you take until you begin to policy lynch no shows/wallflowers?

for me it's not really a thing of how long, it's more of a thing I'll do if there aren't any better options.

Enrique wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:@sig

maybe my suspicion of matt suspecting other people because they suspected him for suspecting SVS but was really just trying to get a reaction is just me trying to get a reaction from other people to see if i can suspect them.

-2.924765 sig

i love this style of gameplay. literally anything i do can be handwaved away for "trying to be game solvey and get a reaction!"

yay for no consequences!

baddie

no u

@sig

maybe my suspicion of matt suspecting other people because they suspected him for suspecting SVS but was really just trying to get a reaction is just me trying to get a reaction from other people to see if i can suspect them.

-2.924765 sig

i love this style of gameplay. literally anything i do can be handwaved away for "trying to be game solvey and get a reaction!"

yay for no consequences!

UPDATED RANKINGS

bea +100 cuz she's nice
birdwithteeth11 -1 for showing up out of nowhere
Bullzeye -1 for being scum in my last game
Cobalt +5 because he has a cool name
DFaraday +3 because Jeremy Davies is an underrated actor
Drumbeats 0 drum is a mediocre instrument. I prefer the theremin
DrWilgy +7 for the Danganronpa references
Elohcin +2 because of cake
enrique -2 anyone with the letter q in their name is automatically untrustworthy
Epignosis +1 for disliking David Lynch's Dune
fingersplints 0 i'm really kind of neutral on Mindy Kaling. Wasn't a big fan of her show tbh
Goldy -1 for not being Golden
insertnamehere -10 why won't he reveal his real name? obv scum
leetic -5 hasn't posted an ISO yet, obv scum
LoRab -3 doesn't have a muppet avatar anymore
Matt -1 for reasons stated in a previous post
Quin -1 the letter q rule strikes again
rabbit8 -100 sneaky weaselly wabbit
Scotty -1000 Russell Hantz defender. Do I need to say more?
Serge +1 in apology for Attack on Titan
sig -1 for anime references
Sorsha -1 the three letters "sha" in connection with one another are very suspicious
Spacedaisy +100 cuz she's nice
SVS -5 tildes are the most scummy of symbols
timmer +5 reminds me of the band Timber Timbre
Zeus +100000000 he's the greek god of lightning and shit. I mean, come on!

Matt wrote: @INH - I didn't ignore your argument. You said that I went after FS and Scotty because they found my question suspicious and that's not at all what happened. I sussed them because of their rushed defense of SVS, who IMO, they have no reason to defend this early in the game. Why not just let her answer?

I think their defense of her, which mainly centered on the mechanics of the game, and not actual alignment, is much less strange or out of place than your suspicion of them for it.

I think I've managed to crack Matt's point system, here's my version of it.

bea +100 cuz she's nice
birdwithteeth11 -1 for showing up out of nowhere
Bullzeye -1 for being scum in my last game
Cobalt +5 because he has a cool name
DFaraday +3 because Jeremy Davies is an underrated actor
Drumbeats 0 drum is a mediocre instrument. I prefer the theremin
DrWilgy +7 for the Danganronpa references
Elohcin +2 because of cake
enrique -2 anyone with the letter q in their name is automatically untrustworthy
Epignosis -1 for liking David Lynch's Dune
fingersplints 0 i'm really kind of neutral on Mindy Kaling. Wasn't a big fan of her show tbh
Goldy -1 for not being Golden
insertnamehere -10 why won't he reveal his real name? obv scum
leetic -5 hasn't posted an ISO yet, obv scum
LoRab -3 doesn't have a muppet avatar anymore
Matt -1 for reasons stated in a previous post
Quin -1 the letter q rule strikes again
rabbit8 -100 sneaky weaselly wabbit
Scotty -1000 Russell Hantz defender. Do I need to say more?
Serge +1 in apology for Attack on Titan
sig -1 for anime references
Sorsha -1 the three letters "sha" in connection with one another are very suspicious
Spacedaisy +100 cuz she's nice
SVS -5 tildes are the most scummy of symbols
timmer +5 reminds me of the band Timber Timbre
Zeus +100000000 he's the greek god of lightning and shit. I mean, come on!

also, in case you couldn't tell, this is supposed to be sarcastic

Matt wrote:Lol @ judging then saying it's not for you to judge.

-1 on INH

Lol @ dodging my argument and ignoring what I said in favor of attacking my sarcasm.

-1 on Matt

Scotty wrote:
Matt wrote:+1 to SVS for ignoring me as a good civvie should do

-1 to FS and Scotty for rushing to her defense w/o letting her answer first.
Lol so a good civvie should ignore you in general? Got it

That's what I got from Matt's apparent ploy.

Can I just say that I'm totally over people throwing out some random question, other people finding that question suspicious, and then the original person saying that their question was supposed to be suspicious, and because other people reacted to it, they are now suspicious.

It's just BS 99% of the time, and there's no merit to the "bait scum by acting weird" thing at all. Every time I see it used it just seems less and less productive.

But hey, people are gonna play the way they're gonna play. Far be it from me to judge them.

also, is personnel spelled personell intentionally, or am I just being overly analytical and paranoid? Even though it's still in signups, Triskaidekaphobia Mafia is beginning to get to me.

i'm guessing that One Direction isn't a legitimate option, but I still want to vote for it anyways.

i'm first in my own heart

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