The Syndicate

leetic wrote:I mean, it's one thing for someone to say "leetic is town because he is acting like a cool cat, which he did in Cool Cat Mafia where he was town." And it's another thing for ME to say that.

Is this a YMS reference?

sorry, the only reason I didn't vote was because of the deadline being for the 31st.

less than an hour and we still need five votes

rabbit8 wrote:I don't know all the new hip terms, what is Prodgy?

Short for "prodigy," it means someone is acting smart.

agleaminranks wrote:I was going to bring up the same on leetic, but there was less interaction between the two. In fact, MP asked them a question twice which I don't think got answered. It also confuses me on MP's part, then, why he would feel good about leetic.

Is there anyone in particular you feel good about?

agleaminranks wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:For now, I have the following brief thoughts:

- I'm willing to tentatively throw out slight town reads of insertnamehere, leetic, and Epignosis/ika. I don't want to vote for any of them today due to their contributions, which all thus far seem genuine to me with respect to solving the game.

I'm a little worried by this, MP. You said you don't want to vote for them just for contributing? I'm not gonna comment on the ika/Epi situation since I tried to avoid that whole heated debate, but as far as INH, you barely talked to him, and you seemed to only feel good about his stance because you disagreed with rabbit calling a scumread on him. But then you also gave rabbit a town read too?

You also said this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:From where I'm sitting, I'd say insertnamehere is the low hanging fruit of Day 0. ika, Silver, leetic, rabbit, and Gordy all expressed negative views of him. What do others make of that? Easy target or deserving of attention?

Feels like you're pretty damned determined to prove his innocence. I don't know if this is too telling of ally-talk just yet.

I'm interested in why you decided to single me out instead of leetic. If you disagree with MP's read of me, I'd love to hear some reasoning behind that.

Right now, your suspicion of me seems to have as much behind it as MP's townread of me. Guess which one I'm more inclined to trust.

So you think serge is bad, and you think leetic is bad for not wanting to lynch him, and your answer is to lynch leetic?

Why wouldn't you just lynch serge first, and if he comes up bad, lynch leetic the next day? I don't really see the logic here. Plus, I haven't seen enough to make me say leetic is acting scummy anyway.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I'm gonna take a risk and go with Serge. I feel more comfortable doing that than voting Quin, and I feel like there are some specific people who are pushing Serge, and I'm eager to see if they can be trusted.

So you are voting Serge to see if you can trust the people who would vote Serge but haven't yet?

That sets you up nicely in the event Serge does get lynched and is good, doesn't it?

More like I just would like to not wait until the eleventh hour to vote, and I want to wait on Quin.

Of course, as pretty much everyone who has voted has said, if a better option presents itself, I'll go with that.

I'm gonna take a risk and go with Serge. I feel more comfortable doing that than voting Quin, and I feel like there are some specific people who are pushing Serge, and I'm eager to see if they can be trusted.

leetic, do you have a specific active player that you want to lynch today, or do you just disagree with Epig on theory alone?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Guys...

...where are we?

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... Bye Ika and Silver. Hello Epi and Quin.

INH, mind doing that GTH now? I just want good or bad regarding Epi, Quin, MP, Rabbit, and I.

Not 100% on who Epi and Quin are subbing out for, so I'm withholding judgement. I've been getting good vibes from MP and Rabbit, so I'll go civ on them. Tbh, I don't know how I feel about you. You seem to have a suspicion of me, but for what reason I'm not sure. I feel like I've been an easy target for people so far, and you haven't posted enough to make me go civ for you. These are, as you said, gun to the head judgments, and as of right now I'm not about to vote for you.

I just don't have a good read on you yet.

Draconus wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:What in the hell happened in the last six pages.

Well.. Where to begin..... A long time a go in a gal- err, wait.

Some giants, for some reason naked (though no genitals, must be a shitty life), have done some bad shit. We don't know who they are, they could be anyone of you guys, and they have BTSC. Because I a civ, town, (what the fuck ever you ISOles call it. You at this point, likely have a role. Have you opened your PM from the host? If not that's a good place to start.

Continuing on... The middle of the arc. Games picking up here. We find out which of you are scummy baddie stupid mafia. We use our meta games to be cool. We sound hip, yes? Because obviously, we're meta and your meta.

Climax: Who doesn't want to get here amirightoramiright? Yet to be determined. But should be fun getting there. Some sweat, some tears, a few hissy fits and bam, over. Sorry. You going to get there? How will the trip be? Will it be more then..... Say...

This is my new go-to explanation whenever someone asks me what mafia is.

Including the naked giants with no genitalia?

The giants are symbolic.

rabbit8 wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:What in the hell happened in the last six pages.

Well.. Where to begin..... A long time a go in a gal- err, wait.

Some giants, for some reason naked (though no genitals, must be a shitty life), have done some bad shit. We don't know who they are, they could be anyone of you guys, and they have BTSC. Because I a civ, town, (what the fuck ever you ISOles call it. You at this point, likely have a role. Have you opened your PM from the host? If not that's a good place to start.

Continuing on... The middle of the arc. Games picking up here. We find out which of you are scummy baddie stupid mafia. We use our meta games to be cool. We sound hip, yes? Because obviously, we're meta and your meta.

Climax: Who doesn't want to get here amirightoramiright? Yet to be determined. But should be fun getting there. Some sweat, some tears, a few hissy fits and bam, over. Sorry. You going to get there? How will the trip be? Will it be more then..... Say...

This is my new go-to explanation whenever someone asks me what mafia is.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That data is bunk, Epi, I never voted for rabbit.

I think you just want us to think that.

I don't really see the possible way in which that would benefit a baddie MP. I'm inclined to take him at his word.

I think we should extend the day too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not ready to throw out a rainbow list just yet, but at least I feel comfortable throwing out one slight town read: rabbit8.

So...why did you vote for him?

Switching my vote to Serge, purely because he's the person with the lowest number of posts without a vote right now.

In my time playing mafia, I've been in games with people who were couples in real life. MovingPictures and Spacedaisy is a good example. The problem with the idea in theory (Usually not in execution, due to most of the couples deciding to set aside their relationship to focus on the game itself) is that people in relationships want to believe that they know the other one, and that they would know instinctively if the other one is lying. Mafia is a game of deception and trickery. Therefore, frustration and hurt feelings could theoretically ensue, with people taking the treatment of their SO super duper personally when it really isn't personal at all.

ika and silver have taken this and elevated it to a bizarre, constantly contradictory, clusterfuck of recursive logic, hurt feelings, and personal attacks.

I don't know ika and silver personally. I don't think ill of either of them, contrary to what they may believe. I just think what they're doing right now is very destructive.

I also think one of them is bad.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Yes, and I don't even know what's going on yet? How about you?

well vote with me and i think sig could eb scum right now along with insertname

dunnow about everony else

This is ika's first post. I honestly thought it was a joke. I haven't played with either of them before, and ika's delivery reminded me of Vompatti's dry laconic wit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elaborate please.

I don't believe you could possibly have a read on either of those players so soon, so I'm inclined to think you're fabricating those reads.

I also interpreted this as jumping the gun a little bit too. After all, ika was just throwing casting about in thin air, right?

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: To be honest, I assumed all of your "early reads" were prime examples of tomfoolery and not 100% serious.

no they are real reads, they prob wont be like that for long

Alrighty then, they're apparently real.

This is about when ika brings out the ol' "This is how I always play." defense, and starts getting some heat from me and rabbit.

ika wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:
This is how you always play?

Never like seeing this defense thrown out so early.

No guts, no glory, though.

then you can start by voting me when thats possible

i can link the game si have plaed here and prove that i really dont care anyways

Now ika all of a sudden responds to rabbits slight criticism by saying "IF YOU THINK I'M SO SUSPICIOUS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE ME! SEE IF I CARE!" which is not the first time ika decides to rise up a level of aggression for no real reason other than insecurity.

Meanwhile, Silver is reserved. She initially disagrees with ika making so many reads early on, but then says that this aggressive random behavior is ika's town game, which ika then piggybacks onto:

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:
Ooh, now ika's getting super aggressive. Funny how that can be turned around.

To be honest, I don't really have any solid reasons to think you, MP, or anyone else is scum right now. I'm just hoping to stave off a randomized witch hunt.

CONGRATULATION YOU HAVE NOW UNDERSTOOD MY TOWN GAME!

Then silver makes a quadruple post, which I'm going to condense.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.

I don't deal well with baseless accusations. And I'm a bit overly stressed right now. I hope I don't come across offensively because that's never my intention. I just did not sign up for this game to be lynched for next to no real reason; that's happened enough to me over the years and the wound is still there.

I understand that, but I don't see anyone trying to lynch you right now so?................

Note this: Silver says that she and ika aren't trying to lynch MP. Huh. The two votes on him right now sorta make that a contradiction.

Then there's these two messages, posted a minute apart.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:rabbit (and anyone else wondering), everything ika has said and done is characteristic of practically every game I've spectated or played with him. There's no reason to town or mafia read him yet, at least in my opinion.

Why are you spending so much time trying to make sure no one gives a read on ika? This seems very odd.

Silverwolf wrote:Also, MP you haven't played that many games with ika compared to me. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to read him or not read him.

First off, the post from MP was actually admitting that he doesn't really think ika is bad. This is an attempt from him to try and end the antagonism. Instead, silver takes it as an insult and throws a logic bomb.

She says MP is trying to dissuade people from offering their own reads on ika. He's not, he's merely offering his own opinion on ika. You can tell because he says "at least in my opinion."

Then, A MINUTE LATER, she says that she's the only one who can offer legitimate reads on ika. Which is her trying to dissuade people from offering their own reads on ika. This seems very odd.

Silverwolf wrote:If we could vote, I'd vote you right now.

She states this ten minutes after saying they weren't trying to lynch him.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I think MP seems unusually defensive this game so far.

I don't deal well with baseless accusations. And I'm a bit overly stressed right now. I hope I don't come across offensively because that's never my intention. I just did not sign up for this game to be lynched for next to no real reason; that's happened enough to me over the years and the wound is still there.

well, welcome to mafia. ill be blunt on this issue:

it doesn't matter i you got a wound about day 1 lynch or not. its a game of mafia and if for fun and enetertianment. if you can't deal with being a day 1 lynch then maybe you shouldnt play?

i have had my own set of "always being lynched day 1" too, even worse, i would be blatantly right on people then bluntly ignored then and left alive for endgame. thats a fate much worse then day 1 "policy lynch"

ive had that as well where i would be gone and only come back to be turbo lynched, ive had that 3 seprate time, 2 of witch where i called out the scum accurately and then went on to see town lose.

So fankly i dont give a damn about your wound, and if you take offense to this then sorry but not sorry, thats mafia for you and thats the blunt truth i have for you on that said issue

Very well then. So basically, he's admitting that he's trying to lynch MP for basically no reason, but he thinks random reasonless lynches are a natural part of the game, and that MP saying that he doesn't want that to happen is him whining. Seeing the Catch-22 paralells?

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?

you cna ignore me all you like, i will jsut provoke you untill you respond

Here's another example of ika/silver responding to an attempt to cool things down by getting more aggressive.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, MP you haven't played that many games with ika compared to me. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to read him or not read him.

^this very much

if anything wll send me to normal to IRATE RAGE is something like this. the only one who can ever say such things about em is silver herself. i can says oem people can understand me on a baseline but to have the audacity to say "ika does this as town and scum" is only a silverwolf thing

that also being said i now am town reading silver much more. i know if she was scum she would try to buddy me on only a few points, the fact shes going through length to defend me full shows me that she is wanting to work with me.

SIlver: got any more reads?

This is where ika/silver fully fall into the stereotype of mafia couples. "Nobody has the right to judge ika/silver, because I know them way more than any of you do! Also, because they agree with me on this, it means they're totally civvie, so anybody who votes for either of us is obviously scum."

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I'm not sure I'm deserving of a townread right now from you or anyone. I've hardly even gotten into this game yet.

ok. silver is now super town. i would never see her make the underlined as scum. she would of been super happy with me town reading her as scum

Maybe she knows that, and is manipulating you?

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?

I'd prefer not to have yet another game where this discussion is had. It gets really, really old.

It's his fault the discussion happens every game.

says the person who provoked the entire converstation.

if you have a god damn problem dake this to MOD.

ill adress all of this shit but seriously, YOUR THE OWNER OF THE SITE, you tell me that people have problem with me, POT MEET KETTLE

i have been utterly civil in this entire convo and you are the one basicly making personal.

I'm not sure that I agree with you a hundred percent on your policework there, Lou.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you can see her doing it as scum, then how on earth can you say it's a town read?

You think Silverwolf is a human being so predictable that you know exactly what observations she would make when given a town or scum role card?

ok let me tell you something out right, silver is the least predcitple person you can encaounter.

there is so much more then just "predicting" what she does as town and scum. i read what she post and look at the very mindset it comes from, i look at her agenda, i talk to her in game to sort her. it has 0 things to do with predcitibilty.

our very interactions in itself is what leads me to read her

pedit: again, let me respond to everything first, i will say that i am willing to lsiten to a lot of thing but when people go "NO" (how im perciving how your acting right now) im just gonna go full stop to it all.

agree to disagree is one thing, but how your acting and saying is "im wrong your right" and if thats the path you take i will fight the same

Apparently, silver is the most skilled, sneaky-deaky mafia player in the world. Luckily, ika has the knowledge, the skill, the pure chutzpa to know whether or not she's telling the truth. Everyone else is just kidding themselves.

ika wrote:Look, i will speak slighty on both of our behalfs but silver cna respond to this herself on this matter. You have every right to quesiton us both, im not going to try to stop that, but when we get wrong scum read for what are improper reasons (ie turf wars) we will defend regardless of alignment. defending each other is jsut a second nature thing to us. if you noticed when i was scum silver did it a lot less, when i was scum i did it even more then how im porb doing it right now.

if we think the ohter is being attacked we will defend the other, if you are asking a genral question we wouldnt respond, have you noticed how silver only defened me to you and nobody elses convo? thats cus they are speaking in a normal tone, when i see your post (and i bet silver sees the same) i see an agresion to near attack form it. so silver will jump likewise i do the same

This is the crux of this whole debacle. ika admits right here that he and silver are simply incapable of being impartial towards each other and will take any attack on either of them personally. Both of those qualities make both of them troublesome mafia players.

ika wrote:the context is that we are dating IRL.

thats all im going to say on the matter, we don't use it as reason in game and we don't want it to become one.

everything said so far has been game context related or past game reference.

lol

After this they desperately assert that they are completely seperate entities and shouldn't be grouped together. I'm gonna give a big to that.


So after all of this analysis, what do I think about their affiliation? I think silver is scum, and is purposefully ensuring that ika and herself are distracting the thread so that all other conversation disappears. I think she's playing a very clever canny game, and I applaud her for it.

*votes silver*

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lalala~<3 hello everyone! My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a singer!

I have a question! Who is worried more about survivability mafia or civilian?

Next I want you to think based on your answer from above. Who would be more vocal regarding survival? WIFOM isn't an option.

INH can I please have a GTH on Silver, Ika, Rabbit and MP?

(uhh what does GTH stand for?)

Lalala~<3 GTH is a gun to head read. If I had a gun, put it to your head and told you to tell me good or bad reads of people, that's GTH.

@Silver, are you and Ika both good or both bad? Also... I see you skipped my question from previous...

The problem with my opinion on the matter is that if I stated it out loud, I would then proceed to be personally attacked and harassed. I'm going to compile a mega-post to properly explain my opinion, and that's where I'll give my vote.

I'm voting you until then.

Fine. I'm in the middle of writing an essay in another tab. Hope you're online before the poll closes.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lalala~<3 hello everyone! My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a singer!

I have a question! Who is worried more about survivability mafia or civilian?

Next I want you to think based on your answer from above. Who would be more vocal regarding survival? WIFOM isn't an option.

INH can I please have a GTH on Silver, Ika, Rabbit and MP?

(uhh what does GTH stand for?)

Lalala~<3 GTH is a gun to head read. If I had a gun, put it to your head and told you to tell me good or bad reads of people, that's GTH.

@Silver, are you and Ika both good or both bad? Also... I see you skipped my question from previous...

The problem with my opinion on the matter is that if I stated it out loud, I would then proceed to be personally attacked and harassed. I'm going to compile a mega-post to properly explain my opinion, and that's where I'll give my vote.

DrWilgy wrote:Lalala~<3 hello everyone! My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a singer!

I have a question! Who is worried more about survivability mafia or civilian?

Next I want you to think based on your answer from above. Who would be more vocal regarding survival? WIFOM isn't an option.

INH can I please have a GTH on Silver, Ika, Rabbit and MP?

(uhh what does GTH stand for?)

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey INH, unless I missed it (if so, I apologize), you haven't yet addressed this and I'd be interested to hear a response:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Can we address the fact that the baddies are probably sitting back and laughing their asses off right now?

Alright, so let's move the conversation in a more productive direction. I'm tired of being upset over the current discussion myself, and I'm accomplishing nothing.

If you think this statement is true, then it can be surmised that you're tentatively town-reading the active members of discussion (you, me, Silverwolf, and ika), yeah? That means you potentially have already narrowed a d1 voting window. Do any of the players currently sitting back warrant specific attention? If so, who?

Thanks!

The problem with 5 people getting involved in an intense, heated discussion is that it means there are 10 people all on the down low. That's 2/3rds of the group. I'll have to go back and re-read some of the low post players, but most of what they've posted is standard Day 0 stuff without a whole lot of content to pick apart. I want to hear more from the silent majority is what I really meant, because as you said yourself, I am tentatively town-reading most of the people heavily involved in the Day 0 fracas.

rabbit8 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:No MP, the theory is sound. In fact was likely happening if this is civ on civ. Is the post really helpful? I don't know. But if you're a civ, and ika is a civ, then it would be helpful for a baddie to say something there. INH had already said his peace and bowed out. That post felt out of place after that.

To be honest, I don't understand how encouraging MP and ika to cool down and concentrate on other stuff would conceivably help the baddies, if as you say, both of them are civilians.

I guess I don't really get your reasons for suspecting me.

Just trust. I don't trust that post was genuine.

You did not say anything to address them cooling down in the content. Nor did you ask them to concentrate on other stuff. You implied the baddies (Which in the post would not include you, MP, or ika, at least how I read it.) were laughing at the idiocy (which it was) of the conversation because they were getting away with an easy day. If you're bad, (maybe, maybe not) getting the trust of two civvies even for a little while is always helpful.

It's day 1, all suspicion, including this one, mostly useless. Unless it's not.

I wanted them to cool down, but I also didn't want to get directly involved in the situation. I tried to do that by reminding them that there was a definite down side to continuing on with the argument. You say that if I was bad, I would want to gain their trust for nefarious purposes. Wouldn't a civilian do the same thing? If we're now suspecting people because they try to gain the trust of people they think are civilians, I think we're all a little guilty.

I made a genuine statement. If you interpret as it disingenuine, well, sorry. Hopefully you change your mind.

rabbit8 wrote:No MP, the theory is sound. In fact was likely happening if this is civ on civ. Is the post really helpful? I don't know. But if you're a civ, and ika is a civ, then it would be helpful for a baddie to say something there. INH had already said his peace and bowed out. That post felt out of place after that.

To be honest, I don't understand how encouraging MP and ika to cool down and concentrate on other stuff would conceivably help the baddies, if as you say, both of them are civilians.

I guess I don't really get your reasons for suspecting me.

rabbit8 wrote:INH: I don't like this post from you:

insertnamehere wrote:Can we address the fact that the baddies are probably sitting back and laughing their asses off right now?

You we're involved in the argument. Dropped out pretty gracefully. Then you made this comment. Seems off to me.

The argument was getting kind of heated (and off-topic) at that point. I just wanted things to both cool down and get back on track. It was in the same spirit as me bowing out.

Can we address the fact that the baddies are probably sitting back and laughing their asses off right now?

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?

you cna ignore me all you like, i will jsut provoke you untill you respond

I was trying to patch things up, and not get you to provoke me.

I feel like this entire game has just gone off the rails, and has become about subjective opinions on how to play mafia instead of actually trying to find out who's bad.

well saying "well if you talk on guts, im gonna ignore you" its a good way to get me to provoke someone.

i can understand not taking gut reads into much account but disregarding it entirely nad basically putting a perosn on "ignore" for it is another

I'm just not going to play into this, and I'm gonna bring this dead horse beating to an end, at least on my part. This is just going around in circles, and at this point I doubt either of us will concede, making this a useless exercise in contrarianism.

I'm just going to tip my hat, and move on.

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?

you cna ignore me all you like, i will jsut provoke you untill you respond

I was trying to patch things up, and not get you to provoke me.

I feel like this entire game has just gone off the rails, and has become about subjective opinions on how to play mafia instead of actually trying to find out who's bad.

After a certain point, I just have to put my hands up and say "You do you, ika."

Mafia is a subjective experience for everyone, and everyone has their own ideas on what works and what doesn't. If what you do works for you, I say go with it and follow your dreams. It doesn't personally jive with how I play mafia, but that's cool. I'll just ignore what you say, unless you bring logic or some greater reasoning into it, and you'll ignore what I say, unless it passes the ol' gut test.

Friends?

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.

and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.

So, your strategy in mafia is to ignore logic completely and just go purely on vague, subjective emotion?

If this was the GOP, that may work. (EDGY POLITICAL REFERENCE) But mafia has always been 4/5ths logic and 1/5th gut reactions. Getting rid of logic only leaves you with a 1/5 of a shot at being right.

not really? thats jsut an opion of how mafia should be. i mean if you look at last hesit game it wasnt really "logic" that won, it was jsut a cop having more clears then the scum cna eliminate, do we call that logic?

i dont caare about odds overall, my guts work more then my logic.

that baing said, if you wanted to talk on tecnhcial stuff, everony rght now has a 6.67& chance of being scum and this number never changes

Is everyone else supposed to immediately treat your gut as gospel and vote with you? Because if this is your entire strategy, I honestly am not sure why any of us should pay attention to you. If you think that just voting based on whims and fancies is a good way to play mafia, then cool. Play how you want to play. But don't expect anyone else to take you seriously.

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.

and realistically if everyone played in logical format, scums should always win cus they have more info and can manipulate the situation.

So, your strategy in mafia is to ignore logic completely and just go purely on vague, subjective emotion?

If this was the GOP, that may work. (EDGY POLITICAL REFERENCE) But mafia has always been 4/5ths logic and 1/5th gut reactions. Getting rid of logic only leaves you with a 1/5 of a shot at being right.

ika wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null

For what reason? Nonsense.

"Guts" you say. Unless you can back up any of your assertions with reasoning (such as "this post made me feel good about so and so because...", even if the reason is very minuscule), then I won't be treating your early reads with any weight, with all due respect.

congradulations you did scum tactic 101, discrediting. you should know by my games i have played here already this is how i always play

This is how you always play?

Never like seeing this defense thrown out so early.

No guts, no glory, though.

then you can start by voting me when thats possible

i can link the game si have plaed here and prove that i really dont care anyways

Ooh, now ika's getting super aggressive. Funny how that can be turned around.

To be honest, I don't really have any solid reasons to think you, MP, or anyone else is scum right now. I'm just hoping to stave off a randomized witch hunt.

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:FUN SCUM TACTIC:

Early on, go after a civilian based on a subjective "read." Hopefully, the civilian will get super defensive, and you can use that as an impetus to lynch them. This tactic is a great way to bait civilians. Then, you can get your baddie friends to pile on, saying that they also subjectively believe that person to be fishy and scum. Hopefully, this convinces a few other civilians.

With this tactic, you can successfully eliminate logic from the game of mafia.

so.... what MP is doing about me then?

Acting defensive, as I would be in his situation, and you're just jumping on him for seemingly no actual logical reason.

FUN SCUM TACTIC:

Early on, go after a civilian based on a subjective "read." Hopefully, the civilian will get super defensive, and you can use that as an impetus to lynch them. This tactic is a great way to bait civilians. Then, you can get your baddie friends to pile on, saying that they also subjectively believe that person to be fishy and scum. Hopefully, this convinces a few other civilians.

With this tactic, you can successfully eliminate logic from the game of mafia.

Serge wrote:Have any of you even seen the anime? The first attack, everyone left gets eaten. So we evacuate, and we run.

This is the quote that convinces me to go with Evacuate. If the show itself supports it, and it appears, just superficially, to be the civilian option, I can't really argue with the logic of voting Evac.

ika wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Yes, and I don't even know what's going on yet? How about you?

well vote with me and i think sig could eb scum right now along with insertname

dunnow about everony else

im gettin areal scum vib e from ika idk bout the rest of yous

i will be exepcting your vote when the game begins.

care to elaborate on your scum read outside of OMGUS and typos?

Twas a bit of a jape, nothing serious meant by it. To be honest, I assumed all of your "early reads" were prime examples of tomfoolery and not 100% serious.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:
Yes, and I don't even know what's going on yet? How about you?

well vote with me and i think sig could eb scum right now along with insertname

dunnow about everony else

im gettin areal scum vib e from ika idk bout the rest of yous

sig wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Because I'm interested, and failed miserably. If you haven't posted, read the rules, carefully, if you're a civvie of course.

Tatakai!

And a belated Tatakai to you too.

If we wanted to really overanalyze the poll, we could say that evacuating is the selfless, civilian option while hiding and cowering is the selfish, villain option. In this reductive point of view, going to the front lines is the neutral option.

Or maybe it's a bluff, and the effects are intentionally different.

Or maybe it's a double-bluff, and we're supposed to discard the obvious answer in order to trick us into tomfoolery.

Or maybe I'm really, really overthinking this.

Excited to get crackin'! So, who here has seen the original show, and based on it, what is the smart move to take here?