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Because Epi and Elo are in an alliance.Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:01 pmWhy?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:00 pmNo, no. I'll vote for myself before I permit that.Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 11:00 pm Moving my vote to Elo. Let's see how the chips fall.
Why would anyone want to work with you if you aren't willing to work with them?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:43 pmOh never mind. I see. "Won't be going after one of his members."Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:37 pm Right in time, good call, at least one lynch will be spent on him even if it doesn't kill him. I don't like the Tranq train, but with these numbers I am uncertain how to stop that. What are your thoughts INH?
Linki: I am not voting Tranq, I've made that clear from Day 1, Glorf and Tranq are in my no lynch list. I made a deal with INb and I won't be going after one of his members because he has made good on it.
So daisy is ultimately one of them.
I didn't know that. Daisy, I was working for you to win, and now I don't care.
I don't have a lynch immunity and lied. Lynch me and be done.
I'm honestly just baffled at this pointOur only options are to appeal to Nutella's better nature, and pray that the coin flip lands on Elo.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:37 pm Right in time, good call, at least one lynch will be spent on him even if it doesn't kill him. I don't like the Tranq train, but with these numbers I am uncertain how to stop that. What are your thoughts INH?
Lemme reiterate:Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:35 pm Now if one of Spacedaisy or Glorfindel could move to Tranq, then I could either burn the lynch or pass it on to Eloh, which I'd rather not do, if that's how it happened, so maybe one of you could vote for Tranq and one of you could vote Quin or Bass to have one vote there in case my immunity flips elsewhere.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 10:18 pmYou're not tanking my game. My game is never tanked in LMS. I go in and do exactly what I want, every time, free from the constraints of worrying about good judgment.
Good for you. I guess I wish your whims didn't lead you into trying to wreck my game.
And do you know what?
I have never once betrayed someone in LMS. Not once. I've always been straight with people.
Me too.
So what does this mean, outsiders?
Cool it, S.E. Hinton.
I have told you this much:
1. I am doing my best to ensure one person wins (everybody will assume that's Eloh, but it isn't- if she wins, great, but I don't go out of my way to help or hinder her in these).
2. I've already disclosed that the person I am working toward helping isn't in the clique.
Therefore, given all that, would you, outsiders, rather burn a lynch on me when you could be voting for the people I don't want to win? Wouldn't you rather force them to find a way to Night kill me instead of you?
So, you want Nutella, Daisy, and Glorf to save you and lynch me because you want one of them to win, and you won't reveal which one? And they have to take your word for it. Billy Mays, you ain't.
The one difference between me and everybody else here is that I'm not here for myself, and I've demonstrated that every single LMS game I've ever participated in.
Yet the person you so nobly want to win has no idea you're their knight in shining armor, because...?
Yet I have more votes than INH, Mr. Manipulator.
Oh boy. It's rare that people overestimate me. Usually they either are right on the mark, or a little bit under.
Y'all have fun getting backstabbed. I'll be around to see some of it.
Uh, yeah. Really.Black Rock wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:50 pm Would everyone be ok with us ending the lynch at 11? We want to get it back on track.
My "pissy little team" which you took instant offense to for no discernable reason other than petty spite, even though it wasn't targeting you, and you could have easily joined the damn alliance if you were that damn threatened by it, wasn't in direct conflict with you until you decided to start one.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:54 pm Shower is occupied. So I must wait a bit.
How am I a massive threat? I targeted Glorfindel Night 1 and can't be lynched one time.
I targeted DH Night 2 and killed Wilgy.
I'm just playing the game- no more and no less than anybody else is. You're trying to make up "threatening" people to get others to do what they want. I'm not a threat. I'm the opposite of that. I'm someone who came in declaring that he would help someone else win. That person isn't on your little squad.
So hell yeah, I'm a threat to your squad. If I get night killed, so what? I'm used to that and have no control over that. What I don't want to see is your pissy little "Anybody can work with us but not really" team get an advantage over the outsiders.
But the outsiders are voting for other outsiders, so eh.
But he can make snide comments with aplomb.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:40 pmI'm still feeling pretty good about all this, honestly. Better than I would have felt on the other side of a hiring.
And you just said you can't kill.
Might as well put my money where my mouth is.
Bass still hasn't voted, and he's been solidly anti-Epi and pro-Alliance in the thread. That'd get us to Epi having four votes, and you + Elo being tied for second, each with three votes.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:06 pmOnly Eloh and Epi haven't voted yet. They will almost certainly vote for me so unless there are other people who haven't voted yet that are prepared to support you, I think that puts me in something of a pickle...insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 9:00 pmDeal accepted. Glorf already requested protection for this lynch, so now I guess he's doubly-protected.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:31 pm Epi needs lynched. If he does not die then so be it, but I want two things for what i offer.
1. I want Epi and Elo to be the top two.
2. I want protection for myself and Glorf for this lynch.
What I offer: I will fuse with one of your group's members tonight. This doesn't seem like much except it will be a definite benefit for the person merge with, given their element. It may be you, it may be one of the others. But it will happen. I'll leave it up to the person I fuse with whether or not to confirm I did what I said I would.
By way of explanation, Epi being able to merge with someone he knows will get him lynch immunity means we need to get rid of him. Also, I'm not a fan of his he man woman haters club. Elo, I had no beef with and made no move towards or gave her any reason to fear me, but she has publicly stated she did. Fear can motivate night targets. Elo's made herself a threat to me and as such I'd like to see her get one of the top two spots in this lynch.
So, do you want to deal?
Switched my vote to Elo.
Also, if Epi knows a person he can merge with in order to get an NK, if he's still around during Day 4, he's gonna do the same thing. A regular NK and a lynch protect. To quote a famous poet, no one man should have all that power.
Deal accepted. Glorf already requested protection for this lynch, so now I guess he's doubly-protected.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 8:31 pm Epi needs lynched. If he does not die then so be it, but I want two things for what i offer.
1. I want Epi and Elo to be the top two.
2. I want protection for myself and Glorf for this lynch.
What I offer: I will fuse with one of your group's members tonight. This doesn't seem like much except it will be a definite benefit for the person merge with, given their element. It may be you, it may be one of the others. But it will happen. I'll leave it up to the person I fuse with whether or not to confirm I did what I said I would.
By way of explanation, Epi being able to merge with someone he knows will get him lynch immunity means we need to get rid of him. Also, I'm not a fan of his he man woman haters club. Elo, I had no beef with and made no move towards or gave her any reason to fear me, but she has publicly stated she did. Fear can motivate night targets. Elo's made herself a threat to me and as such I'd like to see her get one of the top two spots in this lynch.
So, do you want to deal?
I honestly am baffled that so many people are "threatened" by the idea of an alliance, when they can easily become a part of said alliance simply by asking.nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 7:18 pm But yeah I'm still hesitant towards your cool gang. Epi's analysis made sense, in that you guys will just pick off the rest of us and so I feel safer when there's more of "the rest of us" to pick you guys off. Though I guess in a way that just means the rest of us are a sort of de facto opposing faction, but only very loosely. There's still a chance I could be convinced to join, and I'd already be giving you a bit of a hand if I fuse with you, but I don't want to enter into any sort of binding agreement as of yet.
Fusing would take us both off of the lynch poll tomorrow.nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:56 pm INH I don't think you're quite getting it. Epi suggested on day 2 that he had targeted Glorf the previous phase, and gained a lynch immunity (not specific to that day, just for whenever he gets selected for a lynch). Then on night 2 he killed Wilgy. So night 3 he could target Glorf again.
And I do believe that this is all true. If Epi is Metal, then I totally buy that his fusion with Holy (Glorf) creates a lynch-immunity "shield" and that it would be a waste to vote for him.
I might vote for you INH, mostly because you're in the groupclubgang. You could change my mind by elaborating on how you fusing with water would be mutually beneficial.
He claimed to have killed Wilgy.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 5:48 pm Either Epi was bluffing yesterday and happened to find the right element today, or vice versa. But wasn't he responsible for one of the kills this morning?
According to Epi, whose element is Metal, (learned that when I fused with him D1) he fused with Glorf during Day 2 and got lynch immunity for today. He was never immune during Day 2, and was bluffing then. He incorrectly asserts that he can re-fuse with Glorf today and be immune on D4, which is wrong.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:43 pmWhat about the odds of fusing with the right person once?insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:32 pm
I think the odds of him fusing with the right people to ensure his immunity two days in a row are low.
That's all it took.
If I think I'm going to be lynched today, I'm just going to target Glorfindel again. That buys me another lynch immunity. Simple.
I'm off to drink beer and eat grilled things.
I think the odds of him fusing with the right people to ensure his immunity two days in a row are low.Tranq wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 4:22 pm Possible if he managed to fuse with 2 players of the same element 2 days in a row. Then again, if so, when does it end?
So this means he interacted with an element that made him unlynchable during Day 2. He should be lynchable today (if he didn't get lucky twice in a row), and if not, could get immunity again Day 4.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:35 pmMad?Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:31 pm Nope it was simple. You guys saw how the last lynch went down. We were out to get anyone just help a few people out.
What's crazy is epi last lynch said he was safe from a lynch last night he killed and you are willing to leave a mad man like that in the game.
I am only as mad as the elements I interact with.
Yeah i'm ok with an Epignosis vote
I'll be around for another 2 hours max if you decide otherwise.
Not exactly sure what your point is here. Are you saying that you'd go to the Final 2 with Glorf? No? Then you'd vote for him eventually.
Eh. Given that literally every post Epi has made in this game feels like he's attempting to fuck with people on some level, I'm not sure that I buy it.
So far, there seems to be one person who is dead set against ever joining the Alliance. That'd be Epignosis. In fact, he's advocated targeting members of the Alliance itself.
Nobody has asked us to vote for someone.
Simple: don't vote for us, and we won't vote for you.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 3:44 pm This looks like something of an alliance in itself and one I won't being have any part of anytime soon...
If I can 'hire' you 'Alliance' peeps for protection, I could be up for that... What's your price?
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:56 pmI'm in.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:23 pmBut it isn't the four of us. Literally anyone can join the alliance, and make it the five of us, the six of us, the seven of us.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:21 pm You can frame it however you would like, but what you've made public is that you four won't be killing one another and won't be voting one another. Is that true?
If so, then it's all I need to know in order to conclude that you four are a threat to the continued existence of the majority, and that all it takes is for your quartet to lynch two people who aren't in your posse, manage to kill one of the outsiders, and then, provided you experience no misfortune during the Night phase, you will have obtained a majority. Four of you against three of us. And you can pick us off at will.
Nah.
Someone's gotta go. However you slice it, someone will be lynched and an option for fusing will be removed. Yes, lynching someone not in the "alliance" will limit your fusing options. So will lynching literally any person.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 3:13 pmIf I'm reading this correctly, it's one of the first remarks I've seen from you this game that makes sense to me. At this stage of the game with the number of players rapidly diminishing, I wouldn't be rushing to join an 'alliance' that will limit my chances of personal gain by removing players with whom I might personally gain considerable advantage from fusing with for a day or two yet.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:24 pm In other words, if that quartet have pledged not to vote one another and pledged not to kill one another, then they will be mustering their resources against them that ain't them. If you ain't them, then you is us, and them is gonna put the hurtin on us if us don't put a hurtin' on them.
But it isn't the four of us. Literally anyone can join the alliance, and make it the five of us, the six of us, the seven of us.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 2:21 pm You can frame it however you would like, but what you've made public is that you four won't be killing one another and won't be voting one another. Is that true?
If so, then it's all I need to know in order to conclude that you four are a threat to the continued existence of the majority, and that all it takes is for your quartet to lynch two people who aren't in your posse, manage to kill one of the outsiders, and then, provided you experience no misfortune during the Night phase, you will have obtained a majority. Four of you against three of us. And you can pick us off at will.
Nah.
Yep. I could have said "bowing" but the comparison of Epignosis to a steer was too enticing.
That was a suggestion which obviously was ill-advised.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:56 pmOpen and free? So everybody gets to join and work together as a team? All right!insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:45 pmIf the quartet was exclusive, members-only, then you'd have a point.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:24 pm In other words, if that quartet have pledged not to vote one another and pledged not to kill one another, then they will be mustering their resources against them that ain't them. If you ain't them, then you is us, and them is gonna put the hurtin on us if us don't put a hurtin' on them.
But, the way it stands, membership application is open and free. People are gonna form alliances in this game, that much is a definite. At least we're being fair by allowing anyone to join.
Oh.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:49 pm I'd argue that we need to limit membership due to the small amount of people left in the game, with the number topping out at 5. So, there's one empty slot. If Bass or Tranq decide not to be involved, than they can be replaced.
If the quartet was exclusive, members-only, then you'd have a point.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 1:24 pm In other words, if that quartet have pledged not to vote one another and pledged not to kill one another, then they will be mustering their resources against them that ain't them. If you ain't them, then you is us, and them is gonna put the hurtin on us if us don't put a hurtin' on them.
Nope. I'd quite like to though, as it'd be mutually beneficial.Bass_the_Clever wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 12:12 am So IHN I'm guessing you haven't found a water yet?
I'd argue that we need to limit membership due to the small amount of people left in the game, with the number topping out at 5. So, there's one empty slot. If Bass or Tranq decide not to be involved, than they can be replaced.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:11 pm 1. Rule numero uno, above all other rules: Saviors don't work for free. We'll put our weight behind the best offer.
2. Ape no kill Ape. Anyone who takes this deal is protected by it from any other takers.
3. No offer, great or small, will ever be enough for me (and by extension any of the Saviors) to turn on, provoke, or otherwise interfere with SVS.
4. Any member of this pact has an equal say in the actions take by the pact.
And you, yourself don't want one particular male to win this game?Glorfindel wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 11:05 pmLet no one be deceived, my friend - there is only ONE male that the founder of that club wants to have win this game...
Speed has made it quite clear that he has no intention of voting for you.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 11:09 pmThis should in no way be interpreted as an 'alliance' but I find you worthy of my loyalty, Chuckles.
