The Syndicate

Going with leetic who's analysis was a much needed and ultimately squandered boon to the civs.

(Also, I think it's kind of tacky to vote for yourself in one of these things.)

(But I wouldn't necessarily discourage any votes for me... )

I KNEW MM WAS CIV THE WHOLE TIME

Wow, what an absolute upset by the baddies. I'm not sure if you were more manipulative or we were just very self-destructive but wow that was a game full of civ on civ suspicion.

Thanks so much for hosting Draconus, I had a whale of a time.

And I managed to be the only one to kill a Titan

lol

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:you're welcome

A fitting end for us I guess...

got killed at the same time in both of my games

the mafia gods aren't smiling down on me today

Responses are bold and underlined

DrWilgy wrote:Sore wa chigao yo!

You are misreading me INH, and here's where:
So you get a 50% here. My game plan was to force questions that would get me involved with questioned player, but I didn't I used it to justify civ lynches. My votes were always on suspicion, for I would ask questions to those who are suspicious. Players I have questioned this game in regards to suspicion are you, Silver, Quin, Gleam, and Leetic... That's all I can remember off the top of my head. Players that I have received a response from were Leetic and you. While Leetic responded, he didn't respond to the question I was most concerned about that would've determined the root of my suspicion, also... I wasn't able to get on, reply and change my vote in time. I probably would've switched back to voting for Gleam, since it seemed that Leetic was making an effort to resolve my suspicion.

All 5 of those people that you mentioned except for Gleam I know for a fact are civ. So your radar seems to be a bit busted :P

I guess I also have a problem with what legitimate info could be gained from a question like this:

I asked a question hoping for resolution, but then had to vote for someone before time was up. Would you rather me random vote or not vote at all?

What'd you think he was going to say? "I'd rather you didn't vote at all?" or "I'd rather you just chose randomly?" If you directed this question at me, I'd just assume it was a rhetorical part of your defense and moved on, and that's what leetic basically did. And you decided to lynch him for it.

It just seems that you are intentionally creating situations where you can trap people into doing something fairly innocuous and then you can jump on them and call them scum for it. It's an instant justification machine. You do all this while ignoring greater logic or any other real reason for voting.

There's a difference between whining and seeking answers (I was doing both ). I'm unsure why you thought this question was rhetorical. This mirrors your questioning of me asking Rabbit his alignment. I think there's a lot you can take from a question like this. How they respond, do they respond directly, do they dodge the question? These things can be learned from these questions, that I think you fail to see the value of.

If shifting attention off me was the purpose then it didn't work. INH, would you say that what Serge had argued before he died didn't make sense?

You mean this?

Serge wrote:I just want to point out that before the day ends that if the number of votes for one person almost reaches the remaining townie population then there is probably something wrong. Well, good luck town.

I disagree with this theory. I've seen near unanimous scum lynches due to the mafia turning on itself and deciding that they have to sacrifice someone who's in trouble. Although, in case of situations like what did end up happening, they usually make sure they all don't vote for the civ in order to build some hollow civ cred. Your vote came at a time when there was no chance of you turning the tide, so it seemed like a throwaway vote designed to be something of a shield.

Flimsy motive... probably once. Which one was the NO U? In regards to trusting Zebra. If someone you are hard civ reading gives a confident "I will oppose all other lynches" deeming them as stupid, isn't that worth putting some trust into?

I'd say you had flimsy motives more than once. The NO U was the Leetic lynch.

Also, seeing as there aren't any role checks in this game, the only way Zebra could be 100% sure of MM's alignment is if she was scum and he was civ. That, or his behavior in the thread is just so damning that there's no way to dispute it, which is also not true.

I'm giving Zebra a pass for now based on differing player styles, but if we're both somehow around Day 7 after you've been lynched, she's definitely someone I'm going to re-read.

I'm going to bed now

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:...

Sore wa chigau yo!

...

Is what I would've stated before the thread lock ate my post.
I'll redo it later, my head hurts now...

Is that a Danganronpa reference? I'm halfway through the first game and I'm in constant shock that it exists.

Yee.

It's like all of my disturbing suspicions of Teddy from Persona 4 were all proved grotesquely right.

I can't stop playing and I don't know why

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:...

Sore wa chigau yo!

...

Is what I would've stated before the thread lock ate my post.
I'll redo it later, my head hurts now...

Is that a Danganronpa reference? I'm halfway through the first game and I'm in constant shock that it exists.

insertnamehere wrote:Please at least consider him before you all go back to your tidy little lynch mobs and get rid of another civilian.

I guess I was asking too much of people

DrWilgy starts out the game casual and jokey with ika/silver:

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

sig wrote:


You bad this game Wilgy?

Yee! hbu?

Let me check my role card brb..........

quick question though, the Titans they're the civs right?

Spoiler: show

Maybe

DrWilgy wrote:

ika wrote:read lsit
so metalmarsh can be town
sig is obvious scum right now
MP i would lynch as well.

to do list
silver needs to eb sorted soon.
figure out names meta, relookign its null

Fight me Ika! Sig and I are team titans! I'll eat you before you lynch my Sig!

And then flips once public opinion turns against them:

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: @Silver, are you and Ika both good or both bad? Also... I see you skipped my question from previous...

Stop grouping us together. I don't speak for ika.

I didn't skip shit. I probably missed it. I have half the game lining up to scumread/question me for fucking playstyle shit ika and I get every time we play together.

Well, pardon me Silver, but here's the reason why we can't stop grouping you together.

ika wrote:I'm on break but if people are thinking silver is scum I will bet you right fucking now she's town. If anyone is gonna fight me on that I will bet right now. I'm mobile so I'll speak later proeper

along with

Silver wrote:Also, if everyone is gonna start pairing ika and I up again, I'm gonna get irate. Just because we know each other IRL and are very good at figuring each other out in these games does not mean we are the same person. Read us differently.

So why do you get upset when we read you together? based on the theory hat you read each other very well, we can assume if you two aren't doubting on one another, then you are on the same team.

Here's something else that's off, we aren't saying you are the same person, we are saying that you share alignment based on the above. Do you think this is true or false?

This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

Also, in regards to my question, it was a mindset type question. I hope that others answer it as well.

@Ika has Silver gotten past you as scum in any other games?

Then Wilgy starts doing his signature move: Asking people for their opinion on something while voting for them until he gets an answer. He used it first on me, and then tried it out on Quin 1.0. The possible scum benefits of using this as a trap are very apparent. He manages to use it to justify two civ lynches.

DrWilgy wrote:Quin, could you resolve this for me?

DrWilgy wrote:This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

I do like the way votes are spread though, we are on the right path.

Linki - Well you haven't tried too hard to read me then Gleam, because I've contributed more. I'll help you settle your frustration when you (if you) answer any questions that I've asked the group and stop saying that I don't do anything.

DrWilgy wrote:Guess I'm voting Quin.

After this point, leetic starts suspecting and talking about Wilgy. Here's Wilgy's response:

DrWilgy wrote:There was no "illusion" of wanting to give Quin a chance. I wanted to give Quin a chance and even stated so, but only because of my dislike of voting replacements. I asked a question hoping for resolution, but then had to vote for someone before time was up. Would you rather me random vote or not vote at all?

When leetic doesn't answer this rhetorical question, Wilgy starts to whine and talk about voting for him:

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Gleam for 7 way tie memes, and for not acknowledging me. If it wouldn't break the tie and had 2 votes, I'd vote Leetic as well. If Marmot was my dad I'd be DrWarmot, most definitely a Marmot Doctor.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

What are you talking about? I don't understand any of this post.

Yay! Zebra doesn't hate me! *eyes sparkle as he leaps towards Zebra with open arms*

Gleam and Leetic hate me...

DrWilgy wrote:Leeeeeeeeeeeeeetic!

wanna respond to me now?

DrWilgy wrote:

Serge wrote:What posts, leetic have I not responded to? Go ahead, shoot.

I don't think leetic is qualified to give judgement based on lack of responses.

DrWilgy wrote:#votingleetictillhesdead

DrWilgy wrote:

leetic wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok. I analyzed Leetic as scum. Not civ minded. Manipulative with a thrown together art of ethos.

Tell me Leetic, why should Zebra keep that in mind in case Sig flips scum? Or are you going to dodge my question for another 48 hours?

Wow, trying to "analyze" me without giving any evidence. Nice.

Also, we should, since that is possible scummbuddying.

Evidence: You told everyone to apologize to Quin, emphasizing a "I didn't do anything wrong" attitude. Then when I responded to your analysis that had a question in it, you dodged the question for 48 hours. So 1. You inappropriately appealed which put yourself in a higher light and 2. You only read and respond to things that assist you rather than others.

You still have yet to answer that question from 48 hours ago.

This has to be one of the most aggressively irreverent NO U's I've seen in a while.

Of course, after leetic flips civ, Wilgy disappears from the thread for four days and doesn't ever reference leetic, or his feud with him ever again. huh.

Day 4: Wilgy is the last one to vote, and does so when the numbers are 2 to 6 in favor of lynching Serge. I think he knew Serge would flip civ, and voted MM to try and shift some blame away from himself by throwing away his vote.

He also never mentions MM as a potential lynch target before this, nor does he speak in favor of Serge. His decision in this lynch comes out of the blue.

Day 5: Wilgy decides early on to agree with Zebra's train against MM and vote him in the most verbose supportive way he could:

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I have just a tiny amount of doubt with my baddie read of sig, but that amount is still too big for me to not advocate Metalmarsh89 instead. That being said, I won't oppose a sig lynch or a Bullzeye lynch. Any other lynch I will strongly oppose.

K.

_______________________________________

To summarize, DrWilgy has voted to lynch civs with deliberately flimsy motives twice, one of which a clear NO U, while being sure to craftily insulate himself from any possible repercussions. He seems to float from poorly put-together train to poorly put-together train, and his one vote that goes against that was more or less a throw-away designed to score some free cred.

He's crafty, evasive as all hell, and the most suspicious person in the game.

Please at least consider him before you all go back to your tidy little lynch mobs and get rid of another civilian.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Quin wrote:INH, considering this is our last chance to lynch a baddie, it's about time you stopped debating what would and wouldn't convince you to vote someone and started advocate for your biggest scum read.

Who dat? y?

Right now, DrWilgy. His hardcore lobbying against Leetic combined with his screwy vote for Quin 1.0 combined with him jumping on the Metalmarsh bandwagon which is the most convenient option for him combined with his general in-thread flakiness makes him my biggest scum read right now.

Is... is this a NO U?

Nope. It'd be a NO U if my provided reason for voting you was simply because you voted me and that therefore made you suspicious. Instead, I listed four other reasons, and you haven't voted for me. You talking about me in the thread is incidental to my opinion of you, and try not to invalidate my argument because of it.

Well, then how about you back up the reasons provided here, I'm reading "I don't like what Wilgy did so he must be scum".

Do you want an ISO?

Because that's how you get an ISO.

(give me a little bit)

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Quin wrote:INH, considering this is our last chance to lynch a baddie, it's about time you stopped debating what would and wouldn't convince you to vote someone and started advocate for your biggest scum read.

Who dat? y?

Right now, DrWilgy. His hardcore lobbying against Leetic combined with his screwy vote for Quin 1.0 combined with him jumping on the Metalmarsh bandwagon which is the most convenient option for him combined with his general in-thread flakiness makes him my biggest scum read right now.

Is... is this a NO U?

Nope. It'd be a NO U if my provided reason for voting you was simply because you voted me and that therefore made you suspicious. Instead, I listed four other reasons, and you haven't voted for me. You talking about me in the thread is incidental to my opinion of you, and try not to invalidate my argument because of it.

I also said "Right now" to both start and end that post without even noticing. Neato.

*votes DrWilgy*

Quin wrote:INH, considering this is our last chance to lynch a baddie, it's about time you stopped debating what would and wouldn't convince you to vote someone and started advocate for your biggest scum read.

Who dat? y?

Right now, DrWilgy. His hardcore lobbying against Leetic combined with his screwy vote for Quin 1.0 combined with him jumping on the Metalmarsh bandwagon which is the most convenient option for him combined with his general in-thread flakiness makes him my biggest scum read right now.

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

Who are you thinkin bput voting?

Neither of the people who have votes right now, that's for sure. Yes, it'll more or less be a throwaway, but I'd rather stick to my guns than lynch someone I think is civ.

You think both MM and sig are civs? Wow.

Nobody has said anything that has convinced me that they aren't.

You do you, but I don't need to ever be convinced that a player isn't civ, I need to be convinced that a player is civ.

I guess I just need to know that there's a concrete reason why someone might be bad before I vote for them.

Or maybe I need to be convinced that the case isn't being pushed by someone who's bad in order to lynch a civ.

a2thezebra wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

Who are you thinkin bput voting?

Neither of the people who have votes right now, that's for sure. Yes, it'll more or less be a throwaway, but I'd rather stick to my guns than lynch someone I think is civ.

You think both MM and sig are civs? Wow.

Nobody has said anything that has convinced me that they aren't.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

Who are you thinkin bput voting?

Neither of the people who have votes right now, that's for sure. Yes, it'll more or less be a throwaway, but I'd rather stick to my guns than lynch someone I think is civ.

DrWilgy wrote:INH, why did you tell Zeebs "K"?

Cause that's the only response I have for her.

a2thezebra wrote:I have just a tiny amount of doubt with my baddie read of sig, but that amount is still too big for me to not advocate Metalmarsh89 instead. That being said, I won't oppose a sig lynch or a Bullzeye lynch. Any other lynch I will strongly oppose.

K.

a2thezebra wrote:Not really, I don't find you suspicious and town needs all the help we can get right now.

Seriously, can we lynch at least one of the Metalmarsh89, sig, and Bullzeye group? I said they were mafia a (real-time) week ago and not one of them has been lynched. Instead it's just been horribly justified lynch after horribly justified lynch and town has yet to learn its lesson.

linki - My response would be that your heart is full of shit. I would deem actual reason to be suspecting people for things that are actually alignment-indicative for once in the history of mafia. Take motivation into account instead of just "oh this is peculiar, that must be bad herp derp" and all that.

Define "alignment-indicative."

I've based all of my votes on reasons that I still stand by. I'm not gonna take it back and say how wrong I was. Hindsight is 20/20, and what you deem horribly justified lynches I can still see the logic behind.

Also, whining that nobody listens to you without providing reasons why we should other than you just saying we're full of shit is kinda not the best way to endear trust.

What do you mean by "take motivation into account?" I was under the impression that I was already doing so, but if you can give me some more reasoning as to how you came to your conclusions, other than my heart says so, maybe I can see and possibly endorse your stances.

Right now my heart isn't telling me anything good in regards to you.

Maybe you should try appealing to my brain.

And what would you deem "actual reason?"

a2thezebra wrote:In fact the reason I said "cheers for thoughtful analysis" as opposed to "cheers for your thoughtful analysis" is because I'm not making fun of any particular player's attempt to use analysis to catch baddies, I'm making fun of how the past THREE mislynches in a fucking row have been inspired by "thoughtful analysis" and each of which have completely ignored actual reason. Can we stop navel-gazing ourselves into an early grave and follow our heart for once?

You're assuming I have a heart

What if my "heart" is telling me to vote you? What would your response be then?

I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really didn't see that coming

rabbit8 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I also never encouraged anyone to vote for you.


Wigs did.

Thought I might help you out with that assumption.

rabbit8 wrote:I could get down with voting INH. I had a feeling he might be bad early. Maybe the damn town we are fraking up is shtick?

This is what I was referencing

I know, no where did I encourage your lynch.

I did however get the reaction from wigs I wanted.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were specifically testing Wilgy and not saying your own opinions.

rabbit8 wrote:I also never encouraged anyone to vote for you.


Wigs did.

Thought I might help you out with that assumption.

rabbit8 wrote:I could get down with voting INH. I had a feeling he might be bad early. Maybe the damn town we are fraking up is shtick?

This is what I was referencing

I'm also voting SERGE

Serge wrote:I think we should votr INH. If he's town, rabbit8 and DrWilgy are teammates. Boom.

I hate these basic-ass reasons for voting someone. And this is not just directed at Serge, although it definitely applies here. Yes, I use the chance for possible information as a deciding factor to jump on, but it's usually secondary to y'know, actual facts and shit.

Also, there are tons of other people Serge could choose to lynch for information. I wonder why he'd single me out...

oh yeah

I've said many times in the thread that I find him super duper suspicious.

So he's re-pulling the same BS he did with Leetic.

Serge wrote:I feel like I made a mess in this game and it has gotten one of the most active players lynched.

And then you try to lynch another very active player for the same NO U reasons.

rabbit8 wrote:No, I want to lynch sig because I think he's bad. I also want to vote for serge who I think is bad. I also want to vote for Zeebs who I think is bad.

I placed my vote where it would likely help one of those three get lynched, today..... Serge....

So, to summarize, you didn't list me as one of the three people you think are bad, but you've encouraged voting for me, and people are using you voting for me (which you haven't actually done) as reason to vote for me.

Terrific.

DrWilgy wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I feel that a Quin or INH lynch would reflect heavily on the other.

Could you elaborate on why you think that? I honestly don't know if you think we're teammates or on opposite teams.

Nah.

Rabbit, I don't think voting Zebra is beuno right now. Perhaps we vote INH together?

Why?

I could get down with voting INH. I had a feeling he might be bad early. Maybe the damn town we are fraking up is shtick?

Zebras playing too tame to be mafia. At least for now, I say we wait on her judegment.

I had the same feeling, and I'm getting it again. I'll vote INH.

Sorry that my posts haven't made your brain release "civ-feeling" endorphins in your brain that make you want to not lynch me, unlike Zebra apparently who you want to protect due to past games you've played.

I've never played with you before Wilgy. You don't really have a civ and scum baseline to judge me with, so I honestly find your vote kind of incomprehensible.

At this point, taking a stand on anything can be interpreted as a scum "schtick."

So, in the future when I'm civilian, I should just act as scummy as possible just to be sure people don't see me as scum trying to "act civ and blend in."

DrWilgy wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I feel that a Quin or INH lynch would reflect heavily on the other.

Could you elaborate on why you think that? I honestly don't know if you think we're teammates or on opposite teams.

Nah.

Rabbit, I don't think voting Zebra is beuno right now. Perhaps we vote INH together?

Why?

I could get down with voting INH. I had a feeling he might be bad early. Maybe the damn town we are fraking up is shtick?

Zebras playing too tame to be mafia. At least for now, I say we wait on her judegment.

I had the same feeling, and I'm getting it again. I'll vote INH.

So this is essentially a pure policy lynch because you don't like the way I play the game.

Well, there's really no way to defend myself from this with logic or facts because your case isn't based on that.

So all I can do is bang my head against the wall and hope that more people listen to logic than you.

DrWilgy wrote:I feel that a Quin or INH lynch would reflect heavily on the other.

Could you elaborate on why you think that? I honestly don't know if you think we're teammates or on opposite teams.

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Let's lynch Metalmarsh89 already.

This is exactly what I mean when I said this:

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand we've learned nothing

We need to actually get back into the habit of discussing who we want to vote for instead of just tunnel-vision'ing one specific person. This shit is how scum wins games.

I'm all for that. Let's discuss things. Tell me who you think is bad and why. You're saying a lot of 'everyone stop the tunnel vision and analyse things!' but frankly, it feels to me like you're calling tunnel vision just because we aren't voting who you want us to vote for.

I'd like to contribute the idea that sig didn't vote yesterday and didn't address that when he returned. Kind of seems to me like he just didn't want the attention at EoD. He's got some pretty detailed scum reads on Serge, which I think is going to reflect on one another's alignment depending on who flips first.

So you think these two are on opposing teams?

At this moment in time, yes. And given that I would prefer to lynch sig over Serge, I'd say sig is the baddie.

I agree that sig's whole NO U kerfuffle is weird, but I honestly think that Serge is way more likely to be bad than him.

Quin wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Let's lynch Metalmarsh89 already.

This is exactly what I mean when I said this:

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand we've learned nothing

We need to actually get back into the habit of discussing who we want to vote for instead of just tunnel-vision'ing one specific person. This shit is how scum wins games.

I'm all for that. Let's discuss things. Tell me who you think is bad and why. You're saying a lot of 'everyone stop the tunnel vision and analyse things!' but frankly, it feels to me like you're calling tunnel vision just because we aren't voting who you want us to vote for.

I'd like to contribute the idea that sig didn't vote yesterday and didn't address that when he returned. Kind of seems to me like he just didn't want the attention at EoD. He's got some pretty detailed scum reads on Serge, which I think is going to reflect on one another's alignment depending on who flips first.

I think that Serge is scum, and I'm also beginning to suspect Zebra. Serge for both going after Leetic hardcore for no other reason than NO U, and getting super aggressive whenever anybody either questioned or suspected him. Zebra for attacking MM with, in my opinion, little to no reason, and for using voting records as both a shield and a sword, when they can mean jack-squat and are a favorite tool for scum trying to steer lynches. I've played in too many games where mafia members ensured that one member always voted in the right direction in order to establish cred, and civilians are lynched for being confused and not choosing the right people to trust.

Do I wanna go after Zebra today? No, I'd rather go after Serge. But she's someone who has a big from me. (And not just for thinking True Detective Season 2 is better than Season 1. I will have a post up in the True Detective thread analyzing both seasons tomorrow.)

I also agree that a Serge lynch would reflect heavily on sig.

DrWilgy wrote:Rabbit. You civ?

What answer are you honestly expecting?

I'm fighting a losing battle to get people to ACTUALLY analyze things and not just vote because of vague reads and metagame wackiness.

Well Zebra, if you're reading MM as scum based on metagame, general reads, and a bad voting record, I personally can only really see some slight merit in the last one.

If you wanna vote MM, go ahead. But unless you come up with a case that's able to convince someone other than yourself, I'm not gonna consider it.

Also, I disagree that if you made a big Leetic-esque wall post people would ignore it.

a2thezebra wrote:We need to lynch Metalmarsh89.

With a comprehensive and flawless argument like that, how could I say no?

a2thezebra wrote:Let's lynch Metalmarsh89 already.

This is exactly what I mean when I said this:

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand we've learned nothing

We need to actually get back into the habit of discussing who we want to vote for instead of just tunnel-vision'ing one specific person. This shit is how scum wins games.

leetic wrote:LOL, am I still alive? The poll says so, so...

LEETIC IS DEAD LONG LIVE LEETIC

About time we caught a break

Quin wrote:

Serge wrote:Scum will try and get me lynched tomorrow. Or sig, if he's town. We're the easiest choices. Just remember that yesterday was a very easy lynch and I couldn't believe it went through. 3 players didn't vote and I'd be willing to wager at least one of those 3 is scum.

Bullzeye
Gleam
Metalmarsh

I'll be voting Metalmarsh tomorrow

I'll be voting sig tomorrow

aaaand we've learned nothing

So as of right now civilians are down 5 members with a sixth one gone tonight. On Day 4, there'll be 3 mafia and 6 civilians.

Not a good ratio.

I think it's time to officially get our shit together.

Consider me officially pissed off about this lynch.

C'mon, really guys? Radio silence?

I haven't seen anyone post a spirited defense of Serge except for Serge, and I'm nowhere near convinced by his. Everybody seems to agree that he's shady, but everyone always pursues other options at lynching time, primarily to our detriment. I'm putting my foot down, hopefully in a way that'll kick Serge out the door.

still don't necessarily see the case against sig as stronger than the one against Serge, who I'm just gonna put my vote on right now.

*voting serge*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ummm, hi.

Who's bad?

rabbit8.0 wrote:I'm thinking of looking into MP much more during the next day.

Draconus wrote:Effective immediately rabbit8.1 will be replacing in for MovingPictures07.

Thanks for at least trying to participate in my first game, MP. Good luck with your PHD program!!
And I was so looking forward to writing your death post.

Maybe me?

I can dig it.

Yo Marmot, what are your thoughts on this here lynch?

rabbit8 wrote:Anyone got anything interesting to add?

I'm going to break this tie one way or the other. Is anyone else going to vote or change their vote?

I am yet to vote, and don't want to vote for anyone who currently has a vote.

Friend?

I'm beginning to get a little suspicious of Leetic. Yes, he's posted some solid analysis, but it's become more and more subjective as time goes by, and he's acting like anyone who doesn't do wallposts and disagrees with his opinions must be bad. I also lack the comprehension to understand his vote for Metalmarsh. I still find Serge more suspicious, but leetic is beginning to lose my trust.

Alrighty then, so today who really sort of set me off are three people who voted for, in my opinion, fishy reasons.

1) bass_the_clever
Anytime anyone votes in order to "tie things up," they always get an eyebrow raise from me. It's probably a minor pet peeve of mine, because it's not only unproductive, it also serves as very good cover for baddies to slip through a day cycle with. Also the whole "cheating" thing also makes me a little bit uncomfortable. Not sure I see as much there as leetic, although it does annoy me that Bass did kind of a NO U with his vote for leetic. This whole game it seems like people keep voting for him purely because he brings forth points that they disagree with, not because the points he brings up are scummy in any way.

2) serge
This is honestly my biggest suspicion right now, and if voting for him at this point would be in any way productive, I'd do it. I agree the reasons for him picking up votes Day 1 weren't great, (even though I was one of the ones who did vote him) but everything he's posted since has made my eyeball twitch. Him turning around and voting leetic after leetic posted a case against him, and not bothering to actually argue against leetic's case other than saying he flipped flopped was kind of coo-koo. And the whole "you guys are picking on me because I'm new, even though leetic is newer than me" thing has more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.

3) bullzeye
I also don't agree with MP's idea for a Dizzy lynch, but I see it more as an MP move and not a scum move. Bullzeye jumping on the wagon immediately set me off as much as it did zebra, whose vote for her seemed pretty solid. My suspicion for her is less than the other two, but she's definitely someone I'm gonna keep an eye on.

Now, our fair host Draconus posted at 7:14pm yesterday that he was extending the poll by 24 hours. I'm going to assume that's when the poll ends.

*votes Bass_the_clever*