The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:WAS JAY EVER EVEN ON A PLANE

30 minute delay.

lemme just say "GODDAMN FLIGHT DELAYS" for the umpteenth time

TheFloyd73 wrote:

End - Let It Happen

If I never come back
Tell my mother I'm sorry

insertnamehere has been lynched. They were Let It Happen, a...

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vanilla civ.

Thats how it is 'till the end.
*drum solo*
Yeah!

The game is over. The Mafia (FZ., JaggedJimmyJay and Dyslexicon) have won.

at least my role was thematically appropriate

Golden wrote:It was dizzy and Jay?

Wow.

I told you it was dizzy.

hence the context of my posts.

not sure what jay's game plan was here.

i blame marmot for all of this

WAS JAY EVER EVEN ON A PLANE

well golden

at least we're stupid together.

oh fuckity fuck


GODDAMN YOU CHINESE FIRE DRAGONS

it's totes golden/marmot, isn't it?

would you be willing to go marmot instead of 3j, golden?

wait, what if it's golden/marmot?

sheeeeeit

inb4 baddie team being golden/dizzy

FUCK IT

Golden wrote:Well, what do you think of a jay vote, inh?

Would you be up for that?

That's the difference between you and me, Golden.

I'm not afraid to feel incredibly stupid.

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

me at dys blowing the game for the civilians if he's good

I don't think I'm the only one at fault though. What is the reason you won't vote Golden for example? You're voting me but think I'm town?

No, I would have thought you were town if you had voted Marmot, because then it would have crossed out every scenario in which you could have been bad.

Now I'm hoping you and Marmot are bad together, something which I had an inkling about earlier.

Otherwise we're ballsed.

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

Then why am I voting for you?

I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Coolios. If you're town, you weren't going to win by getting me lynched either, so we're equally wrong. If you're scum, then flair is as good a way to go down as any!

I hope there's a pre-death catgif in there for us, though.

Please don't be town, I'd feel dumb.

please don't be town, i'd feel absolutely miffed.

I might even become somewhat peeved.

me at dys blowing the game for the civilians if he's good

Dyslexicon wrote:Honestly, I'd rather be lynched today and be done with the game if it's going to be all "Dizzy is the likeliest teammate to whoever" next phase. Sorry/not sorry.

well that's just really, really lame

i'd even go far as to label it a total bummer

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm going to keep my vote on you in pure flair and spite.

Okay

Dyslexicon

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Why? Wouldn't that be the ideal move from his perspective if they are teammates and he is going down?

If I were Dizzy and my teammate was marmot, marmot is exactly where I'd be trying to make the vote go. Sure, one of us might go down today, but I'll bet I can win at lylo tomorrow.

If a baddie is lynched today, I'll be happy.

Also, if Dizzy and Marmot are teammates, and Dizzy is lynched today, d'you think for sure Marmot's going to go out D6?

I see the reverse as the lesser risk.

DIZZY TEAMMATE CONNECTIONS

Dizzy/3J - 3J's been consistently braying for his blood.

Dizzy/Golden - Ditto with 3J.

Dizzy/Marmot - Dizzy is making movements like he'd be willing to vote Marmot's way.

Dizzy/INH - I know that's not the case. If anyone believes it is, feel free to take it up with me.

Once again, if Dizzy votes Marmot, I'll probably clear him.

Dyslexicon wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

Omg, The Room.

It would probably be one of Marmot or JJJ. Would bet on Marmot, and I will vote Marmot if none of you all are willing to vote Golden.

I'm not willing to vote Golden today.

If you vote Marmot, I'll probably view you as a civilian.

Funny how ol' Edgar Allen can work sometimes.

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

I read back their isos, and the best answer I came to was that... yes, it is plausible, but the Jay/FZ interactions seem like a big stretch if they are teammates. (JayFZ - ha, that would be a funny team. In this scenario, I guess Marmot is BeyBey).

I'll feel a lot worse losing the game by changing my tack and following a tinfoil read, than by just voting the person who seems bad on the face of it.

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I mean, the following is a summary of Dizzy's responses to me:

"why am I bad"
"tell me why I'm bad"
"your reasons for why I'm bad suck, you're bad"
"I don't have to acknowledge that your points are good, I can just say they make no sense."

You, inh, know as well as anyone that figuring out who is bad doesn't necessarily come from rational arguments. I can't 'prove' that Dizzy is bad through arguing. I just sense that this Dizzy is markedly different from the other Dizzy I've seen as town.

I mean, FZ went into self-sacrifice, give-no-fucks mode, and it's a certainty that her teammates bussed her.

I could honestly see FZ's actions against 3J being a part of an elaborate ploy that a baddie 3J (still not sure what that looks like) could theoretically twirl his mustache at. Also, MP went full hog against FZ. It'd be poor strategy for the whole baddie team to rally behind her.

When it comes to Dizzy, my read on him in Phenon was so out of wack that I've been abstaining from casting judgment on his posts and instead focusing on their context when it comes to other possible baddie teams. I doubt he's teamed with you, and I know he isn't teamed with me, so that leaves either 3J or Marmot. And 3J cast the first vote against Dizzy.

That leaves Marmot. Which, I guess, is feasible, but not my strongest possible baddie team in my imagination.

Dizzy, I realize that the below gif sums up your current, suspiciously convenient worldview, but I need to know some things.

If you're right about Golden being bad, who do you think his teammate is?

interesting how apprehensive you and marmot are to vote for each other tho

Dyslexicon wrote:Ugh. I don't want to move my vote. I feel this game is as good as lost already. Sorry for having an unhelpful attitdue about it.

Well, I'd rather die on my feet, stumbling around in the darkness than lying down.

@Golden and Dizzy: Does a Marmot/JJJ team seem plausible to you?

Golden, I know you've said that if such a team exists we're "screwed," but funnily enough, that's exactly how I feel right now.

PLAUSIBLE TEAMS FROM MY POV:

Marmot/JJJ - Looking over 3J's ISO, there's some stuff that could be construed as subtle teammate helping- lots of 3J saying "Marmot makes a good point here" without really engaging him on it. He later ranks Marmot at the tippity top of his Rainbow list despite Marmot fanning some light shade in his direction. He later ISO's Marmot to find him looking "fine for the most part." In 3J's eyes, Marmot's interactions with FZ are "teammate compatible, but with enough reservations that a confident read is difficult."

Marmot/Golden - Two people who haven't really interacted at all over the course of the game. A dark horse possibility, if you will.

JJJ/Golden - 3J criticizes Elo early on, saying that her inactivity doesn't match her meta. He later puts her smack dab in the middle of his rainbow list, which sums up his read on her. Once Golden replaces in, he's much more complimentary, although that may just stem from Golden being Golden. Probably the team I feel the least sure about on this list.

Marmot/Dizzy - If Dizzy is bad, I think Marmot is his teammate. Marmot agrees with the suspicions against him, but still inisists on pushing his pet case on me when we're in the middle of LyLo. Doesn't seem gin-u-wine to me.

Overall, the strongest team strikes me as Marmot/JJJ, with Dizzy/Marmot as second.

Marmot

Marmot wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:You avoided the question, Marmot.

You think I'm bad. Who's my teammate?

I don't get the apprehension on your part to name another name.

I've already answered that. At this moment, I don't think it's Jay, leaving Golden or Dizzy as the candidates. But between those two, I'd give Dizzy the slight edge, due mainly to his own actions, not based on interactions with you.

If I'm bad inh, who's my teammate?

I'd say Dizzy, but I could also possibly see 3J. I'll report back after I ISO him.

You avoided the question, Marmot.

You think I'm bad. Who's my teammate?

I don't get the apprehension on your part to name another name.

One thing to keep in mind, if one of the baddies begins to receive heat in the thread, the other baddie is gonna swoop in to push a different case.

If Dys is bad, I could see Marmot being his teammate.

Blarg. I'm gonna re-read 3J, and essentially check him for possible teammate interactions, similar to how checked everyone else but himself. Gotta eat lunch first, so expect that post at about 3:00pm CST.

Marmot wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It'll be important for the civilians to vote as a group to minimize any chance of opportunistic mafia voting in the end. I won't be here at EOD so my final decision is going to have to come earlier. Marmot, sell me on an INH vote instead.

Here is my case from the other day on insertnamehere.

Below are all of his posts since then.

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Day 3:

insertnamehere wrote:Hmm.

Looks like today comes down to a simple decision of who to believe- FZ or LC.

I'm gonna look at the posting histories of both before making a decision.

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm the real cop and 3J is bad. I forgot to send in my other PMs though. Sorry.

Nope. Cut that shit out. What do you think of FZ/LC?

I think you and LC should be lynched.

I've been of the opinion that FZ. is good based on her reaction to the Day 1 effort against her.

If FZ is good, why is she fakeclaiming? Are you calling it an earnest self-sacrifice to help the civilians?

insertnamehere wrote:Going with the option that provides the least leaps of logic.

Occam's razor, don't fail me now.

Night 3:

insertnamehere wrote:Well fuckity fuck.

Day 4:

insertnamehere wrote:Voting FZ.

I realize based on FZ's treatment of me in her posts, and my shit voting record, there's a decent amount of feces directed at me that I can't really defend myself from. Instead, I have to hope that you all don't go for the easy target, and instead vote out the confirmed liar.

insertnamehere wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?

Marmot and JJJ.
Gun to head. BUT I haven't done the work and looked through the FZ-stuff.

This'd be my GTH baddie team too. Plus FZ of course.

Night 4:

insertnamehere wrote:Another vote for no

I do have a couple problems with these posts.

Insertnamehere pops in on Day 3 saying "Looks like we've got a choice between Long Con and FZ, and we've got to figure out who to believe." Here's the thing. FZ had just claimed cop and this was all Long Con had to say in response before this post from inh. The cop claim looked legit to me. Long Con had yet to make a rebuttal, yet inh had already suggested that FZ was lying and Long Con was going to have a reasonable defense. LC gave no inclination that he would have a reason for us to believe him, just responded with a chuckle. This suggests inh had prior knowledge of what was to be,

Insertnamehere has interacted with/responded to two players since Day 1: Epignosis and Dyslexicon. That's four whole day phases! Epignosis is now dead, and jury's still out on Dyslexicon. But inh knows he's liable to be lynched, and admitted such multiple times, even going so far as to suspect me for it. I believe his lack of interactions are a means of not drawing lines between himself and whoever his teammate is.



I have many reasons to vote insertname here, and no reason not to (feel free to give me one).

He also has not responded to my case, nor any case made against him.

I thought FZ was making a pretty bold claim that directly cast shade upon LC, so I had to decide whether to take his word for it, or trust LC. A vote for LC was a decision to stand with FZ, in my eyes.

Yes, I've been pretty AWOL this game. Doesn't make me bad.

Riddle me this, Marmot: Who is my baddie teammate? According to 3J, the only feasible candidate is Dys, yet you want 3J to change his vote away from him, and towards me.

That seems kinda fishy, IMO.

Another vote for no

Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?

Marmot and JJJ.
Gun to head. BUT I haven't done the work and looked through the FZ-stuff.

This'd be my GTH baddie team too. Plus FZ of course.

Voting FZ.

I realize based on FZ's treatment of me in her posts, and my shit voting record, there's a decent amount of feces directed at me that I can't really defend myself from. Instead, I have to hope that you all don't go for the easy target, and instead vote out the confirmed liar.

Well fuckity fuck.

Going with the option that provides the least leaps of logic.

Occam's razor, don't fail me now.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm the real cop and 3J is bad. I forgot to send in my other PMs though. Sorry.

Nope. Cut that shit out. What do you think of FZ/LC?

I think you and LC should be lynched.

I've been of the opinion that FZ. is good based on her reaction to the Day 1 effort against her.

If FZ is good, why is she fakeclaiming? Are you calling it an earnest self-sacrifice to help the civilians?

Hmm.

Looks like today comes down to a simple decision of who to believe- FZ or LC.

I'm gonna look at the posting histories of both before making a decision.

RAYNEBOA

insertnamehere
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Luke11646
Elochin
speedchuck
Long Con
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot
FZ.

FZ's response to the attacks struck me as less than convincing. Same thing with Marmot throwing my name around as an easy target. He seems a little lazy to me. Same with 3J, who seems to have abandoned the Vompatti gameplay for something more milquetoast and demanding of others.

Dys and Epi are my two townreads, and FZ/Marmot would be my preferred lynch.

the ends ain't justifyin' the means, Epi-boy.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

You're beyond logic and reason when you wait until the last ten minutes to catch up and say anything.

Believe me, it wasn't a conscious choice on my part to show up 20 minutes before EOD.

nutella wrote:Wish I could say I wasn't bitter but I'm bitter as fuck. That was awful. I hope the mafia wins.

b-b-but hectic EODs where no one has time to think are just such gosh darn FUN

Some people think time and pressure helps them.

I think the opposite.

Despite thinking that Nutella was the best option after a cursory skim of the thread while I was speeding to stop people from mislynching me, this result doesn't come as a surprise; it's the natural product of hectic EOD's, IMO.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

How do you figure? Whom do you think would receive blame if the CFD was incorrect?

The controller bears the most responsibility, even if it shouldn't be that way. I'm taking a risk; so is everyone else suggesting CFDs.

You seem to be favoring the CFD strategy more and more, to the point where I'd expect it from you regardless of alignment.

All CFD's really do is remove logic and reason from the game. Sometimes that can randomly work, but most of the time, we all get screwed over.

Then again, I think a toss-up between one or more people who all have decent cases behind them can be good, but this culture of "this random person said one thing kinda fishy in EOD, let's lynch them instead of the person with actual points against them" is poison.

Once again, MP, you seem genuine town to me. I just don't agree with how you're being it.

And I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with the way I play. You can disagree with everything I said, and that's coolio. I don't want this to become bogged in a gameplay debate. I still have mental scarring because of ol' Edgar Allen. But when people are pressuring me into the hotseat, I'm gonna say something.

this shit is giving me traumatic GY!BE Day 1 flashbacks

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is the best. You all are awesome. There's no anxiety-inducing high like a D1 EoD clusterfuck.

That's all really easy to say when you're the one controlling it.

voting NUTELLA

god I hate these CFD filled bonkers EODs

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:jesus christ stop posting and also mislynching me

The floor is yours, but you have to hurry. Reads?

what the hell are you expecting here?

Nutella is my top scumread, but once again, I just caught up 8 pages in 15 minutes.

The MP/FZ thing seems like he said/she said type stuff.

CFD's are awful and the worst.

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I understand that if you're not caught up then this is a shitty spot. Do you believe you are the target of a CFD right now? What makes you say so? Please answer quickly.

If I was AWOL the entire time, and people lynched me before I could log on, that'd be understandable.

The fact that people want to lynch me IMMEDIATELY when I log in and before I can catch up smells fishy.

I also don't get the thing against LC. Then again, I don't think I've ever agreed with a CFD before.

I find myself disagreeing with 75% of MP's strategy in this game, and yet I think he's a civilian.

I also townread Epi and Speed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:jesus christ stop posting and also mislynching me

The floor is yours, but you have to hurry. Reads?

what the hell are you expecting here?

Nutella is my top scumread, but once again, I just caught up 8 pages in 15 minutes.

The MP/FZ thing seems like he said/she said type stuff.

CFD's are awful and the worst.

blah