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No, I used my one-time only Phoenix on N3 to razz TH and got INH instead
Yeah Mac I know, why am I voting him. Someone made a point that it's a great bus if he and Jack are partners because it doesn't look much like a bus. Also, I don't see a better place to move my vote right now.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:34 pmAnd yet...juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:57 amYeah sprityo I admit that is a really good point.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 amRetro was a completely different game to be fairColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:14 amI think he did. Mac says he wouldn’t do it but look back at Retro.
The difference of having a lot of people wanting to lynch Luna versus a tie in which I vote early, hop off pout and onto jack. Like the amount of chance I would need to have both Nutella and timmer vote for jack over pout is high. Essentially what I’m saying is, why jump off pout who was 6-2 at the time to buss jack?
Yeah Pout they can only imperio each player one time so doing it twice to you doesn't seem feasible.poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 amColin definitely looks the worst from his interaction with the confirmed scums, Jack avoiding to vote him/LC and him voting me together with Jack and didn't move it (previously he asked to keep Sloonei's wagon after your claim and when it's between Jack and me, he chose to keep his vote on me - you're guilty of this tooLunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:17 amI've considered timmer might be bad from process of elim. But looking at his posts he looks town, and I'm moving my vote off him. Perhaps to Colin. Nutella brought up some of his interactions with/about Long Con, and he really doesn't look that great.poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:14 am Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated. I remember someone saying he's usually cool under pressure.
@Lunalee can you point out which post of Timmer that make you think he might be bad? Saw you saying his claim sounds believable but your vote is still on him.
Going to watch Grindelwald tonight ~![]()
). But then, I green checked him. Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.
What do you think of Nutella's and Mac's night action claim on Colin?
Yeah sprityo I admit that is a really good point.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:21 amRetro was a completely different game to be fairColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:14 amI think he did. Mac says he wouldn’t do it but look back at Retro.
The difference of having a lot of people wanting to lynch Luna versus a tie in which I vote early, hop off pout and onto jack. Like the amount of chance I would need to have both Nutella and timmer vote for jack over pout is high. Essentially what I’m saying is, why jump off pout who was 6-2 at the time to buss jack?
I am assuming it was night 2 because you got a result and if someone used obliviate on you you would still get a result. I guess it's possible someone used obliviate on you night 3 AND someone else used a role block but that seems less probable to me. I don't remember you being under suspicion so that would argue that the baddies used up two abilities on you. Possible just not in my mind probable.
nut, what is bothering you about who obligated her. Couldn't it be anyone who's bad? The part of it that seems a little weird to me is they did it night 2 meaning they had to find out night 1 what his power was. It just seems odd that someone would pick timmer to target night one.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:47 am OK skimming poutanko's iso and I can see it. She kind of dances around jack/barely mentions him for a while. But then when she does start going after him it looks legit imo.
One thing that perplexes me -- who obliviated her? That's bugging me.
Also:
@poutanko can you elaborate on the highlighted portion here?poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.
Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?
Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Yes I am quieter this game than normal for several personal reasons. Today, besides therapy, I will be packing and cleaning to leave town tomorrow and will not be in the thread Friday except for early morning and late at night (driving to Alabama for T'giving). And I can tell you Glorf's meta is rock solid. He has never lied about his claims and I've never known him to lie about anything else as well.timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:23 am Some quick thoughts before bed because I have another double tomorrow.
Pout got a bad read on bullz. If he was tampered with that night, would he have been tampered with again the very next night? I doubt it, he didn't even claim cop until later so...
By that rationale, either pout is civ and so is colin. Or pout is bad, which go either way on colin?
As for sprit, I'd at least consider a lynch there but can people who know glorf please reiterate how rock solid his meta is... like, there is NO WAY he was bad? None? Because juliets is awful quiet, but it seems like glorfs meta is a complete gimme?
Thats funny - the "timmer tricked us" thought is running around my mind too.nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:41 pm I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.
Yikes.
I think nutella already presented a kara case, I will have to look back.
I thought you said I would have to find it for you which I took to mean you don't remember what it's about.
Well I for one take your suspicion seriously.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pmColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pmSo what was your thing against Timmer about?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pmIt protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.
yeah I think so too.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pmNah. nutella jumping all over the place is usually a good thing.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:54 pm Anyone think Nutella looks bad for jumping all over the joint then landing on an invincible Jack? Or nah?
@Lunalee why did you do this? nutella is right it doesn't seem reasonable to cop DH this late but I'll wait for your explanation.
Well there's something bigger out there now - Luna's divination.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:49 pmWifom? Idk. I’m not voting Sloonei because of LC’s save.
I don't see why it couldn't be.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:43 pmSo do we have consensus on whether Divination can be used in this manner (consecutively)?Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:39 pm Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN
I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.
If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.
Iirc Glorf did not say "I'm town" until the vote was closed or closing. I don't think Jack had time to move his vote even if he wanted to due to the truth meta.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:09 pmGlor’s truth meta can go do something unmentionable.poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:40 amYou keep shading me since yesterday and try to tie me to Colin as if we're team mates. You think I don't see that? If Colin happens to be scum, it's you who needs to be scrutinized more thanks to your Glorfindel wagon (and the fact you should know his truth meta better yet you keep your vote on him).Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:37 ampoutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:17 am JackofHearts2005 And what did I get from claiming Cop and then Speed flip town? Did I get town cred? You also dropped the fact I voted Bullz 2 days in a row and never move it. Either I'm crazy prepared or I simply am a Cop.
If you're so sure I'm scum, why didn't you vote me since early? Coward.
When did I say I was so sure you’re scum?
You’re all up my ass today and I don’t know what you’re on about.
I’m not shading you. I’m defending Colin.
If Pout is scum why does Colin have to be scum? Pout could have easily given us one bad and one good townie. It just seems too risky for her to be bad and give us a teammate check as good and a town check as bad.
poutanko how would they have copped Jay night 1? If they had switched your target from Bullz to Jay wouldn't you have gotten a civ reading on Bullz?poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:36 amI think they might cop Jay N1 if anything. That LC visited Jay bothers me. Jay is big fish, very likely to be copped early. If scum killed based on how dangerous a player's abilities are, then they might skip Jay because he's not dangerous "ability wise" until he got too close to them.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:25 amI want to agree with this reasoning about Colin. However, I asked the question if a power would go through on the night that someone was obliviated (I was thinking of pout) and the answer was yes so I think she was obliviated night 2. If she had been obligated night 3 she still would have gotten a result. So they had to do something night 1 to find out her power. If they crucioed her though she would have been role blocked and not gotten a result night 1. Is there another way they could have found out she was the cop on night 1?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 amIf Pout is town and Colin is scum, we’re looking at a world where Pout hit two inaccurate cop checks and then got obliviated. We’re talking about hitting a cloak that isn’t in the rules and then a frame that isn’t in the rules (though the rules imply one or both could exist in secrets). Or we’re talking about Pout hitting self busdrive animals into and out of scum. Or we’re talking about the mafia misdirecting a new player to the site over Jay, Epi, Speedchuck and probably Nutella and Mac. They didn’t imperio her on N2 because they crucioed her N1 because she got a result N1.Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 amI don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei
What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?
Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.
Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?
Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.
Counterarguement: Pout was obliviated, meaning the mafia probably knew her power by N2 or N3, depending on if that power acts as a block too the night it is used.
The sheer bad luck it would take for a cop to get two inaccurate results is...well it’s not crazy bad luck but it’s pretty bad.
If Pout is scum, I don’t think she lies twice about her results because then, a lynch on either player makes her look really bad because of the above argument.
So even if Pout is scum, I think it makes Colin look town and if Pout is town, it really makes Colin look town.
Take away the lynch and rez argument and the cop check and I wouldn’t suspect Colin at all anyway. It’s a lot easier (esp in light of Timmer and Speedchuck’s handling of powers) for me to think Colin’s being brash and isn’t thinking of the best way to use a rez than it is for me to see scum motivation in his play overall.
I want to agree with this reasoning about Colin. However, I asked the question if a power would go through on the night that someone was obliviated (I was thinking of pout) and the answer was yes so I think she was obliviated night 2. If she had been obligated night 3 she still would have gotten a result. So they had to do something night 1 to find out her power. If they crucioed her though she would have been role blocked and not gotten a result night 1. Is there another way they could have found out she was the cop on night 1?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 amIf Pout is town and Colin is scum, we’re looking at a world where Pout hit two inaccurate cop checks and then got obliviated. We’re talking about hitting a cloak that isn’t in the rules and then a frame that isn’t in the rules (though the rules imply one or both could exist in secrets). Or we’re talking about Pout hitting self busdrive animals into and out of scum. Or we’re talking about the mafia misdirecting a new player to the site over Jay, Epi, Speedchuck and probably Nutella and Mac. They didn’t imperio her on N2 because they crucioed her N1 because she got a result N1.Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 amI don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei
What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?
Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.
Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?
Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.
Counterarguement: Pout was obliviated, meaning the mafia probably knew her power by N2 or N3, depending on if that power acts as a block too the night it is used.
The sheer bad luck it would take for a cop to get two inaccurate results is...well it’s not crazy bad luck but it’s pretty bad.
If Pout is scum, I don’t think she lies twice about her results because then, a lynch on either player makes her look really bad because of the above argument.
So even if Pout is scum, I think it makes Colin look town and if Pout is town, it really makes Colin look town.
Take away the lynch and rez argument and the cop check and I wouldn’t suspect Colin at all anyway. It’s a lot easier (esp in light of Timmer and Speedchuck’s handling of powers) for me to think Colin’s being brash and isn’t thinking of the best way to use a rez than it is for me to see scum motivation in his play overall.
I'm glad someone as smart as nutella had this feeling because it's exactly how I felt last night. There have been so many arguments for different people being scum that I'm having trough knowing which way to turn. The latest issue re: timmer having no proof he is the vig even has me looking at him. Well, I need to start reading Sloonei to see if I can make sense out of his and owner's posts because the only thing I can really remember all have to do with Owner. And good morning everyone!nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 am Notably though, contrary to my erroneous memory, he never brought up nor acknowledged the point that the rezzes may have been in the wrong hands, despite his constant attention to/frustration at the lack of rezzes for the first few phases. The point I was starting to make was that he conveniently ignored this point (which was brought up by DH on D3) and claimed to want a lynch+rez, perhaps knowing that the scum had one.
The problem that I realized was that (a) I don't think this game has false flips, even with Quin's theory and (b) even if Colin wouldn't have a fake flip and was going for getting rezzed as a confirmed baddie, why would he do that? At that point in the game the mafia was down two people already and Colin was not facing much suspicion as Quin has pointed out so had no reason to "throw in the towel." But, maybe that's what he wanted us to think and thought that it would make him look like a civ who was so sure he would come back innocent and someone would want to rez him, but then that's circular because he wouldn't get lynched and that buys him town cred, so this actually doesn't rely on the scum team having a rez at all..... (which I guess they probably didn't if they just redirected glorfiets' rez) god never mind any of this I can't make any sense of anything anymore and I'ma stop typing gibberish and go to bed hopefully everything will be clear in the morning
yeah somebody or thing besides the mafia killed Nova night 1. I don't think timmer was delayed until n2 unless he was also redirected cause bullz didn't die night 2 - ni2 was juliets 1.0, Kyle, and INH. Anyway, I don't know that it does us any good at this point to figure that out - it doesn't seem like we have enough information.
I just don't understand what we are looking for in a mass claim since the baddies all have regular abilities they can claim.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 pm *I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.
Well my guess is the other people they killed were higher priority though I don't know why Epi beat out Jay for being killed.poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:00 pmWas not a surprise, yes. But why now? Why not earlier if he's a supatown? That timing alone is weird enough and should be talkedjuliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:57 pm Because I can see exactly why Jay was killed. He was supatowning. Epi was not supatowning, he was in the background though he was participating. The Jay kill was not a surprise - the Epi kill was. I never said "let's talk about something else". I think it's good to look at who Jay suspected in the last day and night, I just haven't done it yet.![]()
oh right I forgot Jay said that. Did you target someone else? You don't have to tell me who. If you did do you have any reason why they didn't die? If you are the odd night big I imagine they are blocking you ever odd night at this point but I don't get why they would do that night 1, unless they were just lucky.
ah yes that does seem like what he's doing. I didn't think about it that way. When you're not walking, driving or studying I'd love to hear the rest of your thoughts.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:07 pmI’m simply not dissuaded by his lack of activity. I don’t suspect him purely for being inactive, but to me he seems to be wielding his inactive status as a defense mechanism, rather than trying to do anything productive with his time in the thread.
I’d offer more insight but I’m currently walking to class.