The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:47 pm Wait, don't disregard. I'm wondering the same thing. I missed the logic for speed being killed by the mafia. So Jay was vigged?
It was covered in the two posts after the one I quoted.

oh, I was looking for the logic - I thought this came up earlier from someone with logic but I guess not

Wait, don't disregard. I'm wondering the same thing. I missed the logic for speed being killed by the mafia. So Jay was vigged?

Ok I'm off to work, see you guys this afternoon.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:55 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:50 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:46 am it's like you guys really don't believe me when i say i don't tell lies and honestly that hurts more than that time i got hit by the knight bus
Knight bus?
READ THE BOOKS

Sorry, its been a long time since I did and of course I never read the last two.

What is the argument for sprityo being town?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:46 am it's like you guys really don't believe me when i say i don't tell lies and honestly that hurts more than that time i got hit by the knight bus

Knight bus?

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:27 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.
...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

Poutanko do you think scum knows who the even night (or whatever) vig is? What makes you think so?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:54 pm Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

I hadn't even considered Colin but my thoughts are I'll wait to hear what you have to say. If Colin is bad doesn't that mean poutanko is bad? I mean could she have really gone wrong twice?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:51 pm Anyway pretty neat how Speed was in Hufflepuff and flipped civ.

There are still others in Hufflepuff if you are referencing your belief that there is one in each house.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm How did that even happen I mean come on shit's gotta be rigged. Ravenclaw deserves it more.
I KNOW why Hufflepuff lost.
Is it because they’re mediocre?

No.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm How did that even happen I mean come on shit's gotta be rigged. Ravenclaw deserves it more.

I KNOW why Hufflepuff lost.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:47 pm Sloonie, besides the fact that speed flipped civ and so it appears he was telling the truth, is there any other reason you think Quin did not target you with patronus?
I have no information which either confirms or deny that I was targeted with a Patronus that night. Like I said, I took a Thestral out of town that night, so I was immune from nearly all abilities that night. I have no way of knowing if anyone did anything to me that night. If Quin is lying, I suspect he may have just thought I'd be an easy fake target to claim for some reason.

Ok thanks.

Sloonie, besides the fact that speed flipped civ and so it appears he was telling the truth, is there any other reason you think Quin did not target you with patronus?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:30 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm Yes. Do something.
Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?
... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.
Assume I didn't read any of that.
Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.
It may not be as easy as this.
There’s certainly more to it than the bullet points. But that’s the general outline. We’ve talked about the possibilities to no end, and to me it seems the most likely scenario is that one of them was lying. We now know it wasn’t speedchuck, unless his was is faked.

I really can't say unfortunately what my thought is which is frustrating for me and probably you too but I'm not inclined to vote for Quin today.

linki

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.
Orly?
Yes. Do something.
Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?
... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.
Assume I didn't read any of that.
Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.

It may not be as easy as this.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm Oh I completely forgot about timmer. Yeah he could be bad, damn it.

And poutanko's speed check was allegedly night 1 (but she didn't claim it til day 4)

I can think of two answers to the poutanko question you raise but I'd rather hear it from her. @poutanko why did you wait for day 4?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.
Sloonei, what are you referring to when you say "but after everything happened yesterday"? I'm not sure what you are referring to.
... Quin and Speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

Oh ok, that seems like it was going on forever but I guess it was just yesterday.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Sloonei, what are you referring to when you say "but after everything happened yesterday"? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 pm Lol wild that Poutanko came out with that "Hey Chuck is bad" post the day INH got rezzed huh what a crazy coincidence my fellows

Did Poutanko check speed night 2 or 3? INH was razzed night 3. I thought the speed check was night 2 but maybe I'm just wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:47 pm Unless Quin isn't mafia and they thought flipping speed would throw us off the trail.

hmmmm

I personally can see a way both Quin and speed could be good but don't think it's a good idea to spell it out.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:43 pm RIP Jay and speed. You both added a lot to the game. Hope to see you in A World Asunder.

So, this means poutanko's information was not good, at least on speed. I don't think it means Quin is evil.

Does it sound like the bad guys killed them both? The write-up kinda does.

I don't think mafia is likely to have killed speed, would make much more sense to be a vig. I don't know that the writeup is meant to hint at stuff like that or not

Yes I agree with you that it doesn't seem like the mafia would kill speed. Maybe the write up does not mean to hint that speed was killed by bad guys.

RIP Jay and speed. You both added a lot to the game. Hope to see you in A World Asunder.

So, this means poutanko's information was not good, at least on speed. I don't think it means Quin is evil.

Does it sound like the bad guys killed them both? The write-up kinda does.

This phase does end today in the evening.

And speed sorry to hear you are sick - hope its not the flu.

Wait, I thought night ended tonight? Is it not until tomorrow night?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:30 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.
What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?
Maybe they are not telling the truth about the floo story? I'm not saying I believe this but isn't it possible?
That’s what my question is getting at. If they’re partners, the story is a lie. But they chose to share it and thus linked themselves together in the thread. It seems a little too conspicuous.

Yes, it does.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.
What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

Maybe they are not telling the truth about the floo story? I'm not saying I believe this but isn't it possible?

you're doing great nutella, thanks for doing this.

It's very slow this morning - we seem to be all talked out.

haha I missed that too!

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm Somebody else propose things for me to naysay.
Mac is scum because he farted on the vig kills.

Sprityo is town because he doesn't feel any duty to put forth full effort for his team.

Sloonei is town because Owner was town.

Colin is scum because of how quickly the Glorf wagon picked up when the lynch was between Colin and Long Con. (I know this one paints me in shadow and I don't care.)

Have fun.
Poutanko claimed she copped Colin, and he was town, right? And she copped you and you're scum. You say it is exactly opposite from what she said. And yet you still believe she is town? If you are indeed town, then Poutanko and Colin would make a lot more sense as scummates.

Poutanko did claim those things. The question is whether either of those reads is a false read due to a redirection. I don't think anyone has proved she was not redirected though someone jump in here if I am wrong. There's just SO much to try and remember.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am I'm so behind. Thanks for the extra long night phase, DDL. So what's going on here?

Jay and nutella are doing an interactive spreadsheet to map out who looks bad. Then town is going to work the spreadsheet as a group.

There is no resolution to the Quin v. Speedchuck issue. At least in my opinion. speed has a different opinion and so does Quin.

DH doesn't seem to want to participate anymore, hopefully he will change his mind.

There's a lot of other stuff but those are my highlights.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:09 am I didn't delete/edit the post with failed tag. What I meant to say is I tried to delete the quote part from my draft (is that the correct term?) because I kept getting logged out if I add it. Ended up with part of it deleted from my draft before I posted and already posted before I can remove that part properly. I hope that's clear enough >_>

Ohhhhh I see. Wow that's such a weird problem you are having with the log out. So annoying for you. I wish we could figure out what is wrong. Does everyone up our chain of command know about this issue? I know I have seen it mentioned, I just want to make sure the admins know about it.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:56 am Sorry that failed quote, I kept getting logged out so I tried to delete it.

pout, we are not allowed to delete posts in a mafia game. If you think you need something deleted contact DDL or dunya and they can do it for you. You may notice if someone screws up a quote they just post again with it corrected instead of deleting.

@Quin by the time you get here I am exhausted (not your fault that your time zone is so different). If you have any further thoughts that would help on the puzzle of you and speed please put them out there.

lol, I don't understand specifically what you guys are doing but thanks for doing it!

so the post that sticks out to me about sprityo is one that has come up before - this one:

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much
Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?
That’s the thing Juliets I don’t have many thoughts

Why do I need to participate when there’s perfectly capable people who can? It’s not like megaman where I needed to step up to the plate. Jay and Mac and DH are all strong enough.

If I wanted to start anywhere it would be confirming them as good or bad, but that in itself is a monumental task

Mafia are playing hard mode keeping all three alive. Is there a reason for that?

Now I have no trouble believing that a scum sprityo would lay low but as someone else brought up, would a scum sprityo say what he says here? Why participate when there are others who are doing it? And he says he doesn't need to step up to the plate. That's pretty gutsy for a scum to say, yet I still feel like his lack of participating reads bad.

@sprityo what I'm going to say to you is YES, you do need to step up to the plate and help us solve this game. Get your hands dirty - the only people who understand what's happening are the mafia so don't worry about looking foolish - just play!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 pm Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.
Am I not entertaining enough for you?

haha you are but I can't think about that night action puzzle between you and Quin anymore today! Unless someone comes up with a brainstorm.

linki yes @Sloonei I should have put that more as a "lying or redirected" thought. Thanks for your thoughts.

Also linki ok I'll look at sprityo first since it will be pretty easy I think

Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.

So, I'll say regarding Colin that the reason I'm seeing him as town is because of the cop check. So if people thing poutanko is lying its of interest to me why that would be (which is how the whole DH conversation started). If there are reasons to consider Colin as scum, I'd like to discuss those too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:06 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm

OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.
You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.
Have I?
I believe so but there is no point discussing it.

linki nutella - sorry nut it just looked like you started at the beginning. Tbh I'd like to hear about Colin too.
If there's no point in discussing it why'd you bring it up :P

If you wanna hear about Colin, talk about Colin. I'm Not Colin. I'm also not interested in making up shit to please nutella or anyone else. I'll suspect who I suspect and you guys do what you want to do.

I brought it up because I want you to shake it off and return to your normal town game. I'm sure you'll tell me this IS your normal town game so I'll just say it for you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm

Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.
You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.
Have I?

I believe so but there is no point discussing it.

linki nutella - sorry nut it just looked like you started at the beginning. Tbh I'd like to hear about Colin too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.

You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.

I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho

Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.
oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.
Ok I went back to the point where you brought up your Hufflepuff idea but the only person you mentioned any suspicion of in Hufflepuff is Sloonei. You were asked twice who you thought was bad and you said you'd tell us today. You've done that but I cannot find reasons. Can you point me to the post where you explained your poutanko suspicion? I just don't have time to go back even further in your ISO.
I didn't. I don't currently have a reason to suspect Poutanko, because I haven't read their posts.

ok so your suspicions are based on believing there is a scum in Hufflepuff and those are the people you have left after ruling out the others. Thats my assumption out of this anyway.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.
oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.

Ok I went back to the point where you brought up your Hufflepuff idea but the only person you mentioned any suspicion of in Hufflepuff is Sloonei. You were asked twice who you thought was bad and you said you'd tell us today. You've done that but I cannot find reasons. Can you point me to the post where you explained your poutanko suspicion? I just don't have time to go back even further in your ISO.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.

oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:46 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:41 pm Hufflepuff

Speedchuck 2.0
Epignosis
juliets 2.0
Sloonei
poutanko
Soneji - civilian

Soneji ain't bad.
Epignosis ain't bad
Juliets 2.0 aint bad
----

Chuckeye
Poutanko
Sloonei

These are your 3 suspects for D5 my people.
DH, do you think poutanki lied about his cop checks and/or is not a cop at all? Or is there something else about him that is bothering you?

why are you reluctant to share your "whys"?

EBWOP - poutanko

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