The Syndicate

18. Completion of this puzzle?

Black Rock wrote:
bea wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
bea wrote:The short list?

Black Rock.
Mata.
JC.
Me.
Aces.
DH.
Epi.
Boo.
I would never. Especially killing LC first. I like my marriage the way it is.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:It's possible that there are two active Kiras, killing on alternating nights - because that's how most mafia games work, and in this game we have no way to differentiate between different Kira kills - but I don't think that makes sense within the lore of the show. I think LC and SVS were both killed by the same person, Light Yagami.

A tiny part of me suspects Black Rock, only because she is the absolute last person I would ever suspect of killing LC and SVS.
If BR was Kira, I would be dead.

LOL - DIggz has killed me when he was bad. He said he figured he was accused of it often enough, he was gonna do it first chance he got *just* for the WIFOM.

That said - my list was done in fairness and in no sort of order. I don't think it's likely to be you.

For example, even though I *know* it's not me, I included myself because I fell into the parameters and no one else besides me knows I didn't do it.

TBH, I would have little remorse over killing LC. SVS on the other hand, I'd feel worse about killing her than I would Diggz. It is known.

Anyone else on that list catch your eye BR?
I hate killing SVS as well. I just saw me at the top of list and hadn't even started to consider the rest of the list. I doubt it's Epi, but i could be wrong. DH could have killed LC with no remorse. Mata and JC are interesting choices. JC I always consider to be innocent and Mata always surprises me when she's evil. I could see them going after those two. I have off and on suspected Boo from the beginning but I haven't landed on one side and stayed there yet. I also could see you killing them with or without remorse.

LC maybe but SVS never likely unless my team wanted to do it. Even then I would try to save her by arguing. As a single killer with maybe a partner no way. Also, I don't ascribe to kill the smart ones off first because they usually are the talkers and civ talkers are important to the game.

It looks like to me the (~) delineates a list. Right before the (~)s begin there is a colon, and a list of things many times is preceded by a colon.

Turnip Head wrote:Does that mean more of these are coming?

Reads like it to me.

oops made beat me to it

saying?

followed by "does the"?

Turnip Head wrote:There's a comma in the second line. "Oh, something"? I agree it looks like poetry or lyrics.

Or "so, something".

*flicks a towel on llama's butt as he runs by*

thellama73 wrote:
juliets wrote:Nice work Zomba and yay we got one! Snowman, you are an enjoyable person, please continue to play.
Zomba? Hey! Who started the anti-Snowman sentiment?

Well Zomba was the most dramatic. But yes, nice work to you for starting the suspicion.

Nice work Zomba and yay we got one! Snowman, you are an enjoyable person, please continue to play.

Oh damn! SVS! And that damn Kira made you cry that sonofabitch.

I think I've held my vote long enough for something to happen and nothing has (well, Epi's book but it didn't make me want to vote him). I'm going with Snowman today and as Zomba says at least I will know whether to trust her in the future. Snowman isn't helping his case though, I would have at least expected a short post before school asking us to hold our vote until he was finished for the day. Someone else just said they didn't think Epi was a kira because of his behavior but Snowman could be one and I agree with that thought. OK, off to vote.

me too

Snowman you funny and I agree you're fun. Did you know Epi is also a high school teacher? Maybe that has done something to ya'lls brains.

I'm also inclined to vote Snowman but there's still a whole day to go and no telling what might happen so I'll wait. It's hard to say I trust Zomba because I don't know her at all but she is earnest about her beliefs. There's also the issue of Snowman's response - as in, was that it? That short response asking Zombra about her avatar and was she using the tactic she was accusing him of? I expected much more to come from him explaining why Zombra was not reading him correctly. I wouldn't say he may not know how to defend because if he is well schooled in how people behave he should know what kind of defense he needs to put on to persuade - so why hasn't he? Anyway, this is where I stand tonight but I never vote this early because of what might happen in Day 2 (day 2 of day 3).

bea wrote:Svs - he's done it too - but that Blaime can be spread far and wide amongst the what did you call it like day one "alpha male syndrome "?

Bullz was pretty reasonable in his point about mm's case being pate and post vote in an unchangeable vote game.

Dh's posts to Epi read very pot and kettle to me ATM. Between the two I'm reading Epi as more genuine.

Bea could you do that second line over? Bullz isn't playing and I'm not sure what you mean about mm's case being "pate".

boo wrote:
juliets wrote:boo what do you think of Epi this game?
I think he's using a lot of WIFOM. He isn't llama as far as we know, but then, maybe that means he's llama. We should lynch llama to find out for sure.

Wait, what? He isn't llama but maybe that means he's llama??

boo what do you think of Epi this game?

Spacedaisy, hopefully you'll be here in time to answer this question: do you think Zombrella and llama are right about Snowman?

llama, I'm feeling the same way though it's not because he mistakenly said I'm a Yotsuba. Don't you think he would fight harder if he were civvie?

lol boo, maybe so, maybe so.

Zomberella12 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Guys, listen to Zombrella. Snowman needs to be melted. He keeps hoping we will forget about him if he posts rarely and is jokey, but he is guilty as the day is long.
Listen to Llama. I'd daresay that he knows Snowman's play better than anyone besides me, MP and SpaceDaisy.

Why does llama know Snowman's play so well if he's just played one game here? Same for MP and Spacedaisy...

And Epi, I don't understand your position at all. Since when do you just give up when a little suspicion is thrown your way?

Zombra I can't figure this out by reading Snowman so I hope you will assist. My questions are below in red:

Zomberella12 wrote:Whatever, DH, I don't care what you say.

Yesterday I wasn't fully on board with lynching Snowman because I thought the evidence against him wasn't super strong. However, this post (the one below - NOT THE ONE FROM THREE DAYS AGO - has me convinced that he is bad. I am 100% on board with this.

THIS IS THE POST I WAS WAITING FOR:

Snowman wrote:
bea wrote: @ Snowman, in all fairness - what do you think of how Zombra's been playing so far? Is she reading on the up and up to you? Besides llama, who else will you be looking at going into the next lynch?
I do think she's been a straight-shooter so far. The real test would be how she reacts to a legitimate accusation.
Here are my reasons. I know that you all haven't played with Snowman very much so you might not agree right now, but I have played with him for the last 20 years (mind out of the gutter) and once you find out (even if its at the end of the game) that I am a detective and he is bad you are guys are all going to put more stock in my opinion in future games. I am SO excited about this!

1) Snowman is threatened by me - I deduce that he is afraid I am about to figure him out. He wouldn't worry about this unless he was bad. Where and how does he indicate that he is afraid you are going to figure him out? How can you tell that he's worried?
2) Snowman does not think that we are on the same team. I know what team I'm on - so he must be bad.
3) Snowman doesn't want to come out and build a case against me himself because he thinks that I am good and that if you all lynch me and find that out, he will look bad. He wants someone else to build the case against me so they can take the heat when I flip detective. Why do you say this? How can you tell he wants someone else to build a case on you? He doesn't even say you are bad that I can see.

That is my case. I will vote Snowman at the first opportunity. I am officially calling out Llama to support me. He was gung ho to lynch Snowman yesterday. The case against him has only gotten stronger.

Turnip Head wrote:
juliets wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
juliets wrote:TH it seems like you would be trying to get us to vote Epi. Have you changed your mind about him?
It would just be nice to have more suspects in case people don't want to vote Epi but don't suspect Snowman either.
Yes, at the moment that is where I am sitting. I'm re-reading Zombrella's suspicion of Snowman but I can't figure out what he has said or done to back her accusations. On to reading him again.
Her suspicion of Snowman seemed to appear out of thin air, didn't it? One minute she was all "I need more, maybe once he does something more bad", and then like the very next post that Snowman makes, she suddenly has her proof.

Yes, that was my reaction. And the post he made was not a post against her - in fact he said she was a straight shooter and couldn't judge if she was bad unless an accusation was leveled at her so I'm just not understanding at this point. But, I will keep reading.

Turnip Head wrote:
juliets wrote:TH it seems like you would be trying to get us to vote Epi. Have you changed your mind about him?
It would just be nice to have more suspects in case people don't want to vote Epi but don't suspect Snowman either.

Yes, at the moment that is where I am sitting. I'm re-reading Zombrella's suspicion of Snowman but I can't figure out what he has said or done to back her accusations. On to reading him again.

TH it seems like you would be trying to get us to vote Epi. Have you changed your mind about him?

Oh I see Boomslang what you are talking about. I didn't think of that as going at him.

Also, just a shout out to boo for being hilarious.

Boomslang wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Why are you spending so much time looking for Yotsubas, Boomslang?
I'm not so much interested in Yotsuba for their own sake as I am in their usefulness to determining Epig's reasoning. I'm trying to figure out if his calling out of Long Con and Juliets was legitimate or diversionary, because both of those players have gone after him pretty hard.

Booms, I don't think I have gone after Epi at all. Are you maybe thinking of someone else?

thellama73 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.
If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.
It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.
Who are these "most people" you refer to? I feel like almost everyone has agreed with Epi that lynching them is not a priority. It is only the fact that he keeps repeating it thta makes it seem like people are arguing with him.

Ok, maybe your'e right and my perception is skewed.

Epignosis wrote:
juliets wrote:lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.
If you are Yotsuba, you have no need to defend yourself. Unless you are Kira.

It seems that most people believe the Yotsubas are like independents except for the Kira one and that independents are as bad or almost as bad as being baddies. From that perspective I feel like I need to defend myself. There's nothing to work with yet though so I'll wait.

lol, I'll deny it, which I do, and you will not provide reasoning for me to defend myself. Nice.

Matahari wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Ima let you finish but Beyoncé deserved that cookie. DharmaHelper should give Beyoncé his cookie.

Thanks TH and this was a nice little chat.

So TH, I understand your reasoning and it seems sound but why vote right now? Why not wait and see if something else happens either to further support or completely annihilate your theory? Or if not that dramatic, something that changes your mind on where to vote?

Ahhh - why would he have killed LC though? Because he knows LC is a big threat when civ?

I didn't bother because i figured I knew the drill already but I would be most appreciative if you will tell us why you voted - and voted so early - for Epi.

Turnip Head wrote:I guess we're not going to get that explanation from MM about his vote.

you're one to be talking

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wow, TH & MM already voted.
Sure did.

I don't believe Epi is being intentionally inconsistent.
You believe he is being unintentionally inconsistent? Or Unintentionally consistent?

Either way it adds up to you not suspecting him. Or am I just a fail at reading?

I read it the same way. MM, care to elaborate and help us out?

FZ. wrote:
juliets wrote:Epi, you said you had more to say. Please finish your thought regardless of what people are saying.
Hey, I'm not stopping him. I've read everything and asked him questions about it.

Yes I know. It was my impression he wasn't finished with his thought yet and was building a Part II and I wanted him to finish and not be waylaid by the questions until the thought was complete. Given his answer though it looks like he might be done with that point or at least he didn't continue it quickly like I thought he would do so I just misjudged what he was saying.

Epi, you said you had more to say. Please finish your thought regardless of what people are saying.

I will try not to forget that as it sounds important.

Is "the notebook" the same as the "Death Note"?

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:sorry, i screwed up the post. It's a question for DH if that helps.
I should point out that you've asked that question of me before and the answer is the same

About Zombrella? You're sure? I'ma quit playing until I'm well.

sorry, i screwed up the post. It's a question for DH if that helps.

[quote="DharmaHelper"]To be honest I'm not even fully caught up. I hope to be by the time I have to vote though. As it stands now, having not fully read/digested the Llama/Boo discussion, I'm likely to vote either Snowman or Zombrella. I understand this might seem like a cop out, but my suspicion of Zombrella lingers, and Snowman has been pinging me as well. I'm at the point in my reading where Epi discusses his suspicion of Snowman, and I agree with it. I do not agree with any of the "He's new" defenses people have been posting

I will form an opinion on the boo/llama stuff once I've read it all.

FZ. vs Bea - Bea is like this a lot, but she's also very good at doing what she does and being bad. FZ has struck me so far as moderately more suspect than the people she is bringing up.

TH is not someone I want to waste any more time on right now. If he is a Shinigami, it would be pointless. If he's not one, mathematically speaking, eventually we'd figure this out by way of either the other Shinigami revealing themselves or by TH dieing. So.

Is there anything anyone wants my two cents on?[/quote]

Yes. You mention above that your suspicion of Zombrella lingers and in our current conversation you raise her name again. What is the basis for your suspicion? I know you must have explained it somewhere but I can't find it. Just link me if you like.

Ok, I re-read BWT and agree with the points Boomslang and FZ made that BWT pushed Russ on something he knew (or should have known) that Russ couldn't answer. Then he took the out and voted him because the reason was so easy - he voted day 0 but didn't post day 0 or day 1 so he must be bad. I don't think Snowman is bad and I don't really want to vote llama because I think SVS's observation is right. Regardless of whether I like it or not he is always like this. So I
vote BWT

I'm really torn this vote. I don't want to vote Snowman because i just don't think there is enough there to give him my vote. I'm thinking about voting llama but the things SVS has said about this just being llama has me paused on that vote. BWT is a possibility others have brought up but I don't think i fully understand the case on him. And there is only about 2 hours left.

linky,linky,linky POST PLEASE GO THROUGH

thellama73 wrote:
juliets wrote:I came out of last night with a strong opinion that boo was being antagonized for his question about why snowman that someone just quoted and his opinion that people need a chance to respond before they take votes. I totally agree with boo about that and agree that to the end of the mafia day is the appropriate amount of time, though sometimes i vote earlier than that if the person has not been around for days. llama you tried to make it seem like boo said you should wait forever until you hear from them and I did not see that that's what boo said. If he did say that can you point it out? It just seems like the things he said were misinterpreted.

I'm going back and if I possibly can I'm going to re-read the Epi/llama/boo interaction about Snowflake to see if I come out with the same impression I did when I was watching it live.

Nicely written case boo.
Juliets, boo never answered my question of how long is adequate time for someone to defend themselves, so I interpreted that to mean there was no limit. We can have different interpretations, but that is where I am coming from.

llama,
First you ask the question:

thellama73 wrote:Boo, you said that Snowman hasn't had a chance to defend himself. I disagree. It has been more than 24 hours since the Day has started.

How long do you consider to be an adequate "chance to defend oneself" before you would be comfortable voting for someone (not necessarily Snowman)?

Then in the next post boo says this:

boo wrote: A reasonable person would wait until they have to actually vote or risk missing the vote before deciding the person isn't going to respond.

So I'm not understanding why you think he hasn't answered. I feel like we've been over this before but I still don't understand.

Matahari wrote:I'm a bit surprised that Metalmarsh voted for Epig. I hadn't seen anything in his posts to indicate he was thinking about that, but I might have missed it. I'll reread him again, but after his sparring with Llama, I thought it odd that he would vote Epig.

Ditto Mata.

TH, I think as I get more well you will see more of my opinions.

llama, maybe i am mistaken - I'll catch it one way or another in my readback.

I came out of last night with a strong opinion that boo was being antagonized for his question about why snowman that someone just quoted and his opinion that people need a chance to respond before they take votes. I totally agree with boo about that and agree that to the end of the mafia day is the appropriate amount of time, though sometimes i vote earlier than that if the person has not been around for days. llama you tried to make it seem like boo said you should wait forever until you hear from them and I did not see that that's what boo said. If he did say that can you point it out? It just seems like the things he said were misinterpreted.

I'm going back and if I possibly can I'm going to re-read the Epi/llama/boo interaction about Snowflake to see if I come out with the same impression I did when I was watching it live.

Nicely written case boo.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I feel like there is a recurring theme this game, and it isn't related to Death Note.

What do you mean MM?

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