The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:See why would I bother looking into it if people already are dismissing my point lmao.
I am not dismissing it; I would like to wait a day is all, to perhaps allow the commissioner to clarify his point. Pushing to lynch someone over an ambiguous reference in a gossip post is not something I am comfortable with. Just becasue he said "Mac" in one post does not mean he makes similar references in every post.

*Everyone* would get "Mac", not everyone would get "coffee" due to history. It would be like one of us who played at the Piano dropping "Chameleon" as a hint, when there are probably 10 people playing this game that would get that reference as a reference to YOU. Or referring to me with a comment about Vincent the dog, since that used to be in my user name at LP and for a while all my avatars were yellow labs. Again, half the players would feel the breeze ruffling their hair at that reference flew over their heads.

I just want to say regarding this post that no one has called me juliets coffee in my memory - though they have called me JC - since I came on board here at TS in Dec. 2012. I registered here as juliets.

Dom wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:You guys are right total coincidence Gordon mentions MAC and COFFEE in his posts. How dare I think a traditional gossip role would ever put his suspicions into his posts like that's ever happened before lmao.
I think the Mac point is stronger than the coffee. Cops drink coffee.
But I'm not opposed to putting some pressure on any player who we don't know is civvie.

Juliet, are you describing your civ meta right now?

Woah, chill DH. Keep linki-ing me.

Yes Dom, I'm describing what I do as a civ. GOC is a recent example.

DharmaHelper wrote:Exhibit A5:

juliets wrote:In my re-read of BR I didn't find anything else to bring to the table but it did cement my thoughts that TH's case was a good one. I'll be interested to see what you find S~V~S. I've been rolling around with this lack of response hang up I have and I guess it can be said that she's had plenty of time to respond she just hasn't. I think I'm going to have to give Mac the BOTD today because TH's points meshed with my thought that Mac had done a good job at responding to the case against him. So, it's looking like a BR vote for me today. I'll wait a bit just in case something happens.

linki
So far thats 3/4 votes based on other peoples thoughts.

Thank you for quoting the point I just made.

DharmaHelper wrote:Exhibit A3:
Considering 3 people based on 3 other people's cases:

juliets wrote:As I start the day today I'm considering three people for a vote tonight.

I believe DH's theory that Typh is the penguin though what bea said about him being more restrictive with a curse does cause me pause because Typh is indeed that experienced. I really would like to hear what he has to say about it though and since he's working now I hope he comes on when he gets home.

The BR case comparing her from one game to another also appeals to me. Again though, I'd like to hear what BR has to say about herself. I did reread her yesterday and I don't have anything I can add to the case.

I'm still dithering over the Mac case. It's hard because I read him so hard as civ and to consider a vote for him I have to bring my mind around to see him as bad. I also thought he did a good job defending himself. If he is bad it sounds like he's mafia where as Typh looks like an independent and I don't know about BR. My point is he could be the worst of the three if all three are "bad".

I don't get the remarks being made about Matt. To me it looks so clear that he was cursed by a different person last night than the one who cursed him the night before. I know Matt can be a little crazy but I find it difficult to believe he chose to post in lines from Shakespeare. So in short, i don't understand why there is suspicion on him.

I often vote based on cases other people bring to the table. In the case of Typhoony though I changed my mind once I had talked to him so no longer bought the case. With the BR case I did engage with her and ask her a question that hadn't been answered in TH's case. And I ultimately decided the Mac case was one I couldn't vote for because his responses were strong which TH also said. What is your link between liking others cases and being bad? I said specifically in the BR case I iso'd her and couldn't find anything else to bring to the table. TH seemed to have gotten it all. Was I the only one who voted for BR based on TH's case?

DharmaHelper wrote:Good morning!

I did a little bit of re-reading on Juliets based on what I find usually suspect about her which is her votes and her reasonings behind how she votes when bad. Fun fact, her votes for:

1. Black Rock
2. Scotty
3. Nero

Were all based on other peoples points. The baddie juliets I know is one to be very agreeable with outhers in the thread, so this gels with my thought. I'm a little groggy right now but I can pull quotes later.

That's how I play when I'm good. In other words, it's not alignment indicative. And I'll have to look these up to see if that is the truth but I know offhand the reason I voted for Nero was Enrique backing off of him bigtime and asking us not to vote Matt, and then Matt's insistence that Nero was bad. I think you'll find many people who voted under those circumstances for Nero. I could go to the thread and find them if you don't believe me.

Epignosis wrote:Note: Location PMs will go out this afternoon.

Also. Gotham spring premiere tonight with Mr. Freeze.

What is 'Gotham Spring'?

Scotty wrote: I don't like this insanifier. Do we think this is the extension of the Riddler for not figuring out the riddle yesterday?

I think this is probably Scotty.

I'm going to start by looking closer at sabie and sprityo today.

DharmaHelper wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Last night, the Batman left a cold, half-eaten carton of Easy Mac on my doorstep with a note that read, “From Bats with Love”. It even had one of those heart face whaddaya-call-its on it. I was not pleased at first, but I realized I hadn’t eaten in a long while, and after a long, fruitless day of investigating, it quite hit the spot.
Am I seriously the only one picking up on these?
No I picked up on it, even commented on it and said I hope he's not inferring that he thinks I am bad.
Great so you agree that coffee is a reference to Juliets, made by a player who knew her as Juliets Coffee.

Linki - Or we could lynch you today and find out.

I'll be waiting to hear your case.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Let me tell you about dat Scarecrow, I think it's time we go Scarecrow hunting if y'all know what I mean.
I hope the scarecrow asked you to kill Scarecrow.
juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:Hmm. That's an odd choice in my book. I didn't see her getting much beef from anyone. A safe kill for mafia maybe?

I don't see the Juliets correlation in what Gordon wrote, DH?? That quote is about coffee.

Linki: what links you and coffee, Juliets? That you take it intravenously or something?
My user name started out being 'juliets coffee' and then i shortened it to juliets. Thats why some people call me JC.
Ah! I had no idea. Well that's interesting. Do you think Gordon is someone that has a lot of history with you, Jules?
I don't know but i don't think he meant me when he mentioned coffee.
He meant Mac when he mentioned mac and cheese, why not you when he mentions coffee?

Well it really doesn't matter what I think all that matters is whether he meant it or not. So Gordon, if you meant to refer to me as scum please do it again tomorrow.

Scotty wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Let me tell you about dat Scarecrow, I think it's time we go Scarecrow hunting if y'all know what I mean.
I hope the scarecrow asked you to kill Scarecrow.
juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:Hmm. That's an odd choice in my book. I didn't see her getting much beef from anyone. A safe kill for mafia maybe?

I don't see the Juliets correlation in what Gordon wrote, DH?? That quote is about coffee.

Linki: what links you and coffee, Juliets? That you take it intravenously or something?
My user name started out being 'juliets coffee' and then i shortened it to juliets. Thats why some people call me JC.
Ah! I had no idea. Well that's interesting. Do you think Gordon is someone that has a lot of history with you, Jules?

I don't know but i don't think he meant me when he mentioned coffee.

Turnip Head wrote:Chrysanthemums awarding rim date.

oh no.

MacDougall wrote:I don't get Gordon's memo. Is he saying that MP outed Scotty as a Detective?

That's the way I read it but I don't think that happened unless I missed something big.

Scotty wrote:Hmm. That's an odd choice in my book. I didn't see her getting much beef from anyone. A safe kill for mafia maybe?

I don't see the Juliets correlation in what Gordon wrote, DH?? That quote is about coffee.

Linki: what links you and coffee, Juliets? That you take it intravenously or something?

My user name started out being 'juliets coffee' and then i shortened it to juliets. Thats why some people call me JC.

oh lol the cup of coffee. I think that's a stretch but by all means take a look. We can always ask him to confirm that with a mention of coffee in his next post.

DharmaHelper wrote:Dang Bea RIP.

Is Gordon telling us to look at Juliets more closely?

You're welcome to look at me but how do you get that out of what he said? I don't see anything that relates to me.

RIP bea - I will miss you. I hope to see you in another game soon.

sabie, one of the points against you is you voted Matt AFTER Enrique told everyone his case was wrong, to back off, please don't vote for Matt. You then voted Matt. Why?

sabie, do you have anything to say about the suspicion raised about you?

Enrique wrote:
juliets wrote:
Enrique wrote:Turnip Head noooo

Enrique why the cry of "noooo"?
There was speculation earlier that the Riddler was disappearing people. TH getting cursed then not talking all night isn't a good sign.

Oh ok. Yes, i remember that speculation.

Enrique wrote:Turnip Head noooo

Enrique why the cry of "noooo"?

Matt, the way I read the role of Thorne he appears to gain something - powers, votes, something - as time goes along. I don't think though he would have gained a lunch stop this early in the game. Seems like that would be a power he would have to build up to. i could be wrong, that's just how I see it.

I'm inclined to believe that MP is Robin. I think he urged us all to vote him so he could show he had the lynch stop so we would all know that he's Robin.

linki

Enrique wrote:
juliets wrote:Can someone bullet point the Glorfindel case for me or point me back to someone who has already made the case? I iso'd him but didn't see anything but a nice polite person so the reasons he's bad have gone right over my head.
Some stuff I remember:

1. sig thought he read as being "fake-nice" early in the game but later went back on that.
2. Matt thinks he's been claiming Two Face throughout the game for mentioning coinflips and the number two.
3. He made sure to reply to sig right before he got killed and the whole thing got buried.
4. MP reads him as an inmate for not matching either his civvie or baddie metas.

I don't know if I'm missing something.

So it appears people suspect him of being an inmate as opposed to mafia. Thanks Enrique i appreciate your response.

Can someone bullet point the Glorfindel case for me or point me back to someone who has already made the case? I iso'd him but didn't see anything but a nice polite person so the reasons he's bad have gone right over my head.

I have decided to go ahead and vote.
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MovingPictures07 wrote: There is a very specific reason I've self-voted. It's because I want to be lynched.

I've been provoking my lynch by saying suspicious shit for days on purpose

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juliets wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?
He is my top pick for a lynch for exactly this reason.

Vote MP

sprityo wrote:well figuring theres about 8 hours between now and then, that's about one to two pages worth of stuff. i honestly would rather remove lurkers form the game so that we can get off the topic and therefore actually start going after people without any other excuse to not lynch them

I thought you meant you would not get off work in time to read or vote.

sprityo wrote:i may miss vote, may not. I get off work at 9 EST so i guess we'll see what happens

You could vote before you goto work. What will you know when you get off work that you dont know now?

Thank you all for recommendations for my Batman education. Looks like I have a lot to do.

Matt wrote:After talking Batman with Epi and seeing juliets post, I just remembered I wanted to comment on something and forgot...

juliets wrote:(I haven't seen any of the batman movies or read the comics)

A life without Batman is...well it's probably better then mine but still, you cut me deeply, juliets.

I've meant to go see some of the batman movies but just ended up not doing it. I should catch up with them so I'll have the same knowledge base as the rest of western civilization. Sorry to cut so deeply!

linki yes exactly matt

Ok DF I can see how you would look over something when you're catching up! Thanks for re-looking at that.

DFaraday I don't understand which of my votes you think is suspicious. Nero after Enrique completely backtracked and said don't vote for Matt? I was third out of many to vote. If not that vote which one are you talking about?

MacDougall wrote:I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?

Linki: TH were Bullzeye and myself speculating about Riddler's role even close to accurate?

He is my top pick for a lynch for exactly this reason. I won't vote so early in the day though because who knows what might happen tomorrow.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
juliets wrote:MP I was reading your iso and saw where you endorsed MM for a lynch which I missed the first time around. Do you still think he's bad and if so why or were you just kidding.
Oh, I think that's the post where I was kidding. I've never really seriously suspected MM this game.

I don't really have a read on him though. Do you?

Not at all which is why I hoped you might have noticed something.

linki

MP I was reading your iso and saw where you endorsed MM for a lynch which I missed the first time around. Do you still think he's bad and if so why or were you just kidding.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Lol at everyone assuming my behavior must be because I'm anti-town.

MP, do you want our votes for the lynch? i.e., did you vote for yourself in order to persuade us to do the same?

linki

So, are you saying you were cursed to post in different strange ways until the Riddler died?

DH what do you make of MP voting for himself? Does that support your suspicions or no?

Matt wrote:
juliets wrote:
Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?
I considered that, but nobody has voted Turnip since Day 1.

Oh of course. I forgot the Penguin has to vote you first. Thanks Matt.

And thanks TH for that example from the other game.

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?

Dom I'm trying to get a handle on this Glorfindel suspicion (more than just you). You say that what tripped you over the edge was his comment of being incompetent. What was it about that comment that caused your reaction? He seems to be self deprecating as his nature so that's why I'm asking for you to be more explicit.

Mac, was it the dawn comments about sig that made you suspicious or something else, or more than that?

Thanks TH.

So TH you're saying he's more likely to vote himself as a civ, did I understand you correctly?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Go ahead, DH, vote for me.

I don't have the time or energy to defend myself. It's boring anyway.

I just voted for myself. Have fun wasting a lynch.

I just don't understand what you're doing MP, if you're a civ at least don't vote for yourself jeez. Which makes me think you're not.

sig, RIPIYWG - enjoyed playing with you.

I have the same response to the poison issue i.e., is he really poisoned? I just don't understand why not go to the hospital and I don't know why MP is not telling us why he didn't choose to go.

S~V~S wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Am I correct in assuming that we only have another four and three-quarter hours until dawn?
From what Epi said, I am thinking 3.5 hours from now. They wanted to bring it back to about 9 PM US Eastern time. It is currently 5:30 US Eastern time.

I just went back and looked. He said have your PMs in by 8:00 EST so I don't know what that means for the post - 8:30 maybe or is he posting an hour after PMs are due?

Typhoony wrote:Has Golden shown everyone Macs rolehint already or has it been agreed that was complete nonsense?

Golden hasn't told us yet whether he's come up with anything.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.
It looked more like a curse of sorts to me. MP made sure to state in every single post that he was suspicious of sig. Even when he forget to include it, he'd immediately follow up with the thought in the next post.
I wasn't talking about the sig part. I was talking about his other stuff. Like posting he should be lynched.
This isn't the first time MP has done this. He did it in Flash, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the only time either. Recruitment maybe?

Oh really - thats interesting to know. Was he bad in Flash (I didn't play)? I don't remember if he did in Recruitment - I tend to forget the details of games once they are past.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.
It looked more like a curse of sorts to me. MP made sure to state in every single post that he was suspicious of sig. Even when he forget to include it, he'd immediately follow up with the thought in the next post.

I wasn't talking about the sig part. I was talking about his other stuff. Like posting he should be lynched.

Matt wrote:Actually juliets, I was saying you had been going along with it, and I wish more like you had done the same.

OH! Sorry, I misinterpreted.

Matt wrote:SVS - I do know that Bea can read you quite well, and I believe in a recent btsc (forget which game, help me out here bea), she told me that you can read her really well, too. Soooo I suppose I will back off on her for now. But but but there is something fishy with that post I quoted "I always worry that my....................."

Mac - You're correct that it wouldn't make sense that you would be distancing on Day 0 since one of you would have to be the cop that wasn't yet recruited. Hrm.

The only scenario that I can now see bea and Mac on a team is if they are Falcone, and that would mean they were not Nero's teammates.

Btw, I had been trying to get this across, but Golden eloquently put into words what I couldn't...

Golden wrote:2) Yesterday's lynch, his turn around didn't feel entirely genuine to me. My suspicion as to why... Enrique is on team Nero. His team figures out a theory that Matt is Batman, and suddenly realises that if Matt is lynched and comes back Batman, Nero is probably going down right afterwards. So, the best option is to bus his own teammate, and get civ cred in the process. Others have already pointed out some posts by Enrique that appear deliberately designed to get cred.
Actually, my theory is that Enrique was convinced...CONVINCED...I had a targeting role (it didn't have to be Batman), so his team figured no matter how I flipped, as long as I had a targeting role, peeps would most certainly eye Nero next. And I had made a big deal about Enrique/Nero in thread, even dared Enrique to vote Nero. People keep saying "Why buss a brand new player teammate on Day 2 of a game where the Mafia only has three members?" If Enrique and team believed Nero was a goner no matter what, then why not buss him? Saves Enrique from having to defend his actions after Nero would eventually be lynched (in his eyes anyway).

Btw, I cleared this with the hosts...

Some of you said during the phase yesterday "Hey MP and Matt, do you really think you're helping the thread with your nonsense?"

Yes, I was helping the thread. If some of you (like juliets, bea, Scotty, even Mac did) had gone along with what I was trying to do, we might've gotten a clue as to a certain inmate's whereabouts. But after being accused of cluttering with nonsense, I didn't want to annoy anyone and get myself lynched, so I didn't say much for the last hours of the phase.

Matt I'm not sure what you wanted me to go along with. I didn't see any instruction from you until you said "Follow me" and voted for MP. I think I had already voted by the time you said that because I remember thinking I wished you would have said it earlier. If there is something else you wanted me to do it went right over my head. So what should I have gone along with?

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.

And that's how I meant it.

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