The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:41 pm Hufflepuff

Speedchuck 2.0
Epignosis
juliets 2.0
Sloonei
poutanko
Soneji - civilian

Soneji ain't bad.
Epignosis ain't bad
Juliets 2.0 aint bad
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Chuckeye
Poutanko
Sloonei

These are your 3 suspects for D5 my people.

DH, do you think poutanki lied about his cop checks and/or is not a cop at all? Or is there something else about him that is bothering you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?
Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.
I understand this.

Why do you need suspicion? What are you/we supposed to do with it?

if I'm suspicious I'm less likely to be night killed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?

Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:32 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh
It's apparently an odd-night only power.

Glorf prolly didn't use it night one because JJJ wasn't dead yet. (or someone of equivalence)

But if you want to explore this, I'm all ears.
Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.

I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh

This whole time? Glorf could have used it night 1 only because it was an odd night only use, and then I used it the first night I was back in the game, night 3.

linki

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:25 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:21 pm If poutanko was redirected night 1 wouldn't his results have shown someone other than Bullzeye? Or is that not the way it works? Also is Imperio the only thing that could have redirected him? I looked at that dirithingy but couldn't quite figure out how that would work. It would seem odd to me to use Imperio before you even knew what a player's power was because it can only be used one time for each player.

I know I'm asking some nitpick questions but I'm just trying to look at all angles of the Quin/speed thing.

linki yes I did post a list
I asked the host about my watch. Apparently if I'd been redirected to say timmer, I would have seen who watched Timmer, but not that I was watching Timmer. That's what I understood, anyway. So no, the results would have just said SCUM/TOWN afaik.

Scum have secrets. We cannot know what else redirected. Except Diricawl, which you mentioned.

Diricawl would mean that some scum switched themselves with me on night 1, and Pout targeted them instead of me. Not inconceivable. It's the perfect measure against cop checks, trackers, and other info roles.

Thanks speed - very clear.

If poutanko was redirected night 1 wouldn't his results have shown someone other than Bullzeye? Or is that not the way it works? Also is Imperio the only thing that could have redirected him? I looked at that dirithingy but couldn't quite figure out how that would work. It would seem odd to me to use Imperio before you even knew what a player's power was because it can only be used one time for each player.

I know I'm asking some nitpick questions but I'm just trying to look at all angles of the Quin/speed thing.

linki yes I did post a list

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:38 pm It all comes down to Phenon Golden.
That's too long ago for my feeble brain, can you help me out here

Agreed. I can't even remember everything thats happened in this game much less one that was so long ago.

Ok so it looks like speed had said that timmer did not target LC, timmer confirmed that and then Quin came in with his patronus line. In between those things Quin also asked speed to share everything he knew but speed had not by the time Quin said to timmer you wasted my patronus. So it's possible Quin realized speed had watched LC - though speed had not said that yet - and so he threw out the patronus line to establish that he had visited timmer instead. But is it probable that Quin realized what speed had done at that point in time? speed asked for Quin to share what he had done and speed would share what he had done and Quin's response was:

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus
Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did
well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

So @Quin what did you mean when you said "I know what you did..."

If this has already been asked and answered just direct me there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar
so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?
Have you read day 4?
yes but didn't the reveal of INH at the end of day 4 include something (I'll have to go back and see what) that made Quin seem more town? I want to say Poutanko pointed it out. I thought it explained how his night action could be true. I'll go back and look.
Suppose the mafia only has one player with a patronus.

Since INH had a patronus, that makes anyone else with a patronus town.

Quin claims to have a patronus. If Quin is town, he is telling the truth about this.

Therefore, if Quin is town and the mafia don’t have duplicate powers, Quin is town.

This is the argument Pout puts forth. I’m sure you can see the problem with this reasoning.

Yes, I do. So do you think Quin just tossed off that patronus line to timmer (as quoted by JJJ) as a lie? But why? Why say anything unless he is trying to combat what speed said about him visiting LC. The thing I need to nail down is did he toss off that line before or after speed said he visited LC. It seems like he said it before but I need to check.

@speedchuck this post is the one I'm thinking about.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:13 pm @juliets Back up wagon Idk if maf has anything to redirect the lynch or make it fail again and INH vote was still valid yesterday. Colin should be cleared now.

Quin should be cleared also unless maf has another member with patronum.

@Sloonei It's Divination. What I think:
>Timmer vouched for Speed and said his kill was redirected to novase that made him read Speed as Town. This make sense for me to get guilty result if Speed dodo-ing himself to novase. He said he didn't have it. There's Jay's block on Timmer also.
>I might be Imperio'd to target someone else and ended up getting guilty but that's weird, it makes more sense if maf redirect me to inno target instead of a guilty one (it's N1). Some dodo might switch my "new" intended target to a guilty one.
>No Imperio on me and some dodo hit Speed but then how did it end up with novase if Speed has no redirect himself? Novase was modblocked. More than 1 dodo?
>Secrets

Speed's posts, his interaction with LC, LC defended him and vice versa (Speed especially on N3) - not town. Act like scum, talk like scum, I won't call him Mathilda

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar
so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?
Have you read day 4?

yes but didn't the reveal of INH at the end of day 4 include something (I'll have to go back and see what) that made Quin seem more town? I want to say Poutanko pointed it out. I thought it explained how his night action could be true. I'll go back and look.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar

so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?

I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time with the Quin/speed issue. My mind tells me one is bad, my heart tells me they are civ. I need to nail down what we know about Quin given the INH reveal. I know there has been talk about it but for some reason it's hard for me to process. I'm not usually THIS dumb. Anyway, if anyone has any bullet points for what that reveal told us about Quin I'd love to see them, otherwise I'm going to try to bullet them myself.

This is just a housekeeping issue but fyi I cannot read anything that is highlighted in yellow or that bright green, especially at night. I know I can quote the post and see it in black and white but if you could use another color I would really be grateful.

@JaggedJimmyJay see above ^ ^ ^

POE list for Jay:

speed
sprityo
sloonei
quin
jack
kara
luna

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:43 pm i dont get it but i agree wholeheartedly that i should be confirmed town
INH have patronum, you have patronum. You should be Town if no same ability on maf team

Wait, what? INH had patronum and so does Quin but why does that make him town? And what about Colin? Why is he confirmed town? Please explain it to me like I'm 5. I'll be thrilled if both can be confirmed I just want to make sure I understand it.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:20 pm So he probably killed one of juliets or Kyle on n2. Jules did your previous self use a hippogriff perhaps? That would be funny lol especially since they made you rez him too

Yes that would be funny. I can't talk about my past abilities though, I'm sorry.

Also [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] you don't know how bad I wanted to yell at Sloonei and poutanko for staying speedchuck - they are in my house. If there was some point to not moving to INH I might understand but as far as I'm concerned they denied us all some neat little power. Not happy and I'd love to hear their explanation for it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.

I'm not taking it for granted as Epi sometimes gets something in his head and gnaws it like a bone if he really believes someone is bad. Could be scum decided to nip it in the bud, especially given Epi was not one likely to be protected (Jay's avoidance theory). With that said Colin is definitely out of my POE and Luna is hanging on by a hair. I just mention it because it's another angle to consider if we get more info down the road.

Avoidance of protections is a possibility, I admit. A good theory.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.
Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

I don't have any idea Luna. I'm doubtful he was killed for inactivity though. Everyone knew he could not read the pages at school so he couldn't keep up with the posting frequency of some others. Plus, he's a well respected player with good insights regardless of his frequency.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:08 am
Another important factor in all of this is INH's resurrection. Do we think that was an accident, or something the Death Eaters actively conspired toward? If the latter, then they'd be basing their entire strategy for the day around it. The potential for bold and wacky lies would be greater in that case. Speedchuck's claim seems more calculated than Quin's.
If the former, and they were as surprised as the rest of us to see INH back among the living today, then they'd have to improvise their plans for the day. Quin's claim seems like the more improvised of the two.

Juliets claims to have attempted to resurrect Turnip Head last night, but Turnip Head is certifiably not resurrected. Instead we have INH. The presence of [SECRETS] makes it difficult to speculate on what might have happened, but it's unclear from the visible abilities whether or not they could have knowingly redirected a resurrection onto one of their dead partners. It's possible they had a more general redirection which was used on Juliets, and because her ability was targeting a dead player, the pool of potential target changes shifted the dead roster, and INH's name happened to be plucked from there. In any event, what we know is that Juliets' claimed night action did not happen, but that the same action was carried out on a different player who happens to be bad.

All of this is to say that we have a lot of variables and unknowns and this is confusing so it's a good thing we have a confirmed scum to default to today or else we'd all have died of confusion by now. Someone please help.
My belief is that they actively conspired toward it. I think they used a spell that told them the power that Glorf had, maybe night 2, and knew to try and target it night 3 because something I didn't even notice myself is it's an odd night power (which could explain why Glorf didn't use it night 1). I only read the top of my role card and didn't notice that underneath it said it was an odd night power. So I think the mafia knew their chances were good that I would use it at my first opportunity night 3. They may have even thought Glorf would have used it night 3 - he may not have wanted to use it night 1 when there was only one person to choose from to rezz.

Anyway, this is all speculation based on the fact I think they used Imperio on me and probably knew about the Phoenix because they pointed the power to a dead person, INH. But again, I'm just guessing. I don't really understand what you mean by it happening by "accident". Would they have directed to a dead player by accident?
Wait... Are you saying the rezz is not a one shot??

No I did not mean to imply that. It was a 1 shot.

I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much
Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?
That’s the thing Juliets I don’t have many thoughts

Why do I need to participate when there’s perfectly capable people who can? It’s not like megaman where I needed to step up to the plate. Jay and Mac and DH are all strong enough.

If I wanted to start anywhere it would be confirming them as good or bad, but that in itself is a monumental task

Mafia are playing hard mode keeping all three alive. Is there a reason for that?

We need you to participate if you're civ because Jay, Mac and DH don't know everything. Their reads could be wrong - I've seen it happen. Or, pertinent to your question, maybe one of them is a deep wolf. The more heads we put together the better our results will be. Your question is a good one and relates to my "Why Epi" question.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:13 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:09 am For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?
Assuming the scum did it, Epi is a good target, for kills or other actions. If it wasn’t purely kill motivated maybe they learned his spells and he had good ones. It does kind of feel like scum are trying to outsmart docs to an extent though with some of the kills.

Yeah it just is odd to me that they picked him over some others who will remain nameless. But there have been several kills that don't make a lot of sense. I'm going to check out what he was saying before he died - maybe they didn't like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much

Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?

For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:59 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:58 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:44 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:56 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.
But who is bad?
Want you to check my iso and look about 3 posts above this one. The one where I say Speedchuck is mafia if DH’s theory of one mafia per house holds true

And the one after it where I tell juliets how that post was ignored like redheaded stepchild
sprityo, I went back and looked at that post but the only person you have listed as bad that I can see is speed. Is there anyone else? We are mostly dealing with a pool of candidates now that we think are bad. Who is that pool for you?
I don’t have a pool

ok so does that mean speed is your only suspicion?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:44 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:56 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.
But who is bad?
Want you to check my iso and look about 3 posts above this one. The one where I say Speedchuck is mafia if DH’s theory of one mafia per house holds true

And the one after it where I tell juliets how that post was ignored like redheaded stepchild

sprityo, I went back and looked at that post but the only person you have listed as bad that I can see is speed. Is there anyone else? We are mostly dealing with a pool of candidates now that we think are bad. Who is that pool for you?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:41 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:55 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.
sprityo what do you think about the speed vs. Quin debate?
That’s a debate? I didn’t recognize that was a thing

Yes, they are both swearing by their night actions but it's almost impossible for both of them to be right. Each is calling the other a liar. It appears that one of them is bad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.

sprityo what do you think about the speed vs. Quin debate?

TH I see you - I'm so sorry, I tried to bring you back. I was so excited.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:39 am I already gave my reasoning for diricawl.

I want to die because my continued presence is not a help to the serious players. I assumed someone would kill Speedchuck last night, who I still believe to be Town regardless of a Cop call when there were over 20 spells flung around night 1.

The floo powder today was because I found his information intriguing and believed him. If you think that using floo on a called out scum and then admitting it is a scummy thing to do, you must think I'm extremely dumb.

I'm not, I just stopped caring 60 pages ago.

kara I don't know what you mean by your continued presence is not a help to the serious players. If you are civ your continued presence is CRUCIAL to our game. We need people who will vote and you are also contributing to the thread. I don't think you are extremely dumb. Please don't quit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:29 am Hey so what if Timmer is lying about being a vig? What does that do to all these floating theories?

FYI we have had a dead mafia literally EVERY night. 3 from 3. Anyone the least bit concerned about this? Especially given our known vig is actually not responsible for either of them?

Now on night 3 one of our dead Mafia is back among the living and just basically wondering around wearing his Death Eater cloak.

Paranoid theory time.

What if they are dying on purpose? We know there is lynch stopping. What if they can be killed to hide them from being lynched and they can be resurrected unless they are lynched?

Mac, you are so good at these paranoid theories that make us think outside the box. One thing that strikes me is wouldn't that be terribly unbalanced if they could come back as they wish? I'm not a balance oriented person but it seems like that would just be too much.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:36 am I don’t understand a fucking thing you people are talking about.

lol Colin, I am totally empathetic. I read last night in real time and could barely hang with it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:08 am
Another important factor in all of this is INH's resurrection. Do we think that was an accident, or something the Death Eaters actively conspired toward? If the latter, then they'd be basing their entire strategy for the day around it. The potential for bold and wacky lies would be greater in that case. Speedchuck's claim seems more calculated than Quin's.
If the former, and they were as surprised as the rest of us to see INH back among the living today, then they'd have to improvise their plans for the day. Quin's claim seems like the more improvised of the two.

Juliets claims to have attempted to resurrect Turnip Head last night, but Turnip Head is certifiably not resurrected. Instead we have INH. The presence of [SECRETS] makes it difficult to speculate on what might have happened, but it's unclear from the visible abilities whether or not they could have knowingly redirected a resurrection onto one of their dead partners. It's possible they had a more general redirection which was used on Juliets, and because her ability was targeting a dead player, the pool of potential target changes shifted the dead roster, and INH's name happened to be plucked from there. In any event, what we know is that Juliets' claimed night action did not happen, but that the same action was carried out on a different player who happens to be bad.

All of this is to say that we have a lot of variables and unknowns and this is confusing so it's a good thing we have a confirmed scum to default to today or else we'd all have died of confusion by now. Someone please help.

My belief is that they actively conspired toward it. I think they used a spell that told them the power that Glorf had, maybe night 2, and knew to try and target it night 3 because something I didn't even notice myself is it's an odd night power (which could explain why Glorf didn't use it night 1). I only read the top of my role card and didn't notice that underneath it said it was an odd night power. So I think the mafia knew their chances were good that I would use it at my first opportunity night 3. They may have even thought Glorf would have used it night 3 - he may not have wanted to use it night 1 when there was only one person to choose from to rezz.

Anyway, this is all speculation based on the fact I think they used Imperio on me and probably knew about the Phoenix because they pointed the power to a dead person, INH. But again, I'm just guessing. I don't really understand what you mean by it happening by "accident". Would they have directed to a dead player by accident?

And I thought I was confused before...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:28 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm If Quin is bad and was targeting his teammate Long Con, what ability might he have been using?
Was this question ever answered?
Additionally, I want to ask who we'd believe more in the Quin vs. Speedchuck split if poutanko's cop claim didn't exist?
And also if there's a scenario in which all three of speedchuck, quin, and poutanko are town and telling the truth?

If these are things that have already been discussed then you can just slap me and point me in the right direction. But I'm hung up on these reported night actions right now and feel like it's the most pressing issue we've got right now.
Ok Sloon, I looked through all of the spells, potions, etc. and the only thing I could find was if Quin gave Long Con the Elixir of Life and someone else targeted LC with Petrificus Totalus which prevents the person targeted from drinking a potion. If that had happened and Speed was watching Long Con he would have seen three people visit LC, Quin, the potion canceller and a vig - unless LC was not killed by a vig. Anyway, it would have been quite complicated and seemingly a 1 in 1000 chance. (I made those numbers up.)

Maybe someone else see's something more realistic.

omgosh tons of linki
I appreciate these thoughts. I suppose another possibility is that quin was simply using protego/wingardium leviosa on his teammate LC, if those are abilities he has access to.

I suppose my next question in this line (for anybody) would be this: Why does speedchuck come out with this specific story if he is bad?

(Hello everyone, I'm not ignoring this debate but I do want to answer Sloonei's point from a little while ago.)

But if Quin used one of those abilities why did LC die?

And I think your question about speed is a good one. I'm going to try to track back and find who said what first and just how the conversation developed in search for an answer.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:53 pm If Quin is bad and was targeting his teammate Long Con, what ability might he have been using?
Was this question ever answered?
Additionally, I want to ask who we'd believe more in the Quin vs. Speedchuck split if poutanko's cop claim didn't exist?
And also if there's a scenario in which all three of speedchuck, quin, and poutanko are town and telling the truth?

If these are things that have already been discussed then you can just slap me and point me in the right direction. But I'm hung up on these reported night actions right now and feel like it's the most pressing issue we've got right now.

Ok Sloon, I looked through all of the spells, potions, etc. and the only thing I could find was if Quin gave Long Con the Elixir of Life and someone else targeted LC with Petrificus Totalus which prevents the person targeted from drinking a potion. If that had happened and Speed was watching Long Con he would have seen three people visit LC, Quin, the potion canceller and a vig - unless LC was not killed by a vig. Anyway, it would have been quite complicated and seemingly a 1 in 1000 chance. (I made those numbers up.)

Maybe someone else see's something more realistic.

omgosh tons of linki

Ok thanks Jay and speed. I understand why Sloonei is not looking good now.

Also, at the beginning of the day I sorted Quin as civ but now that I understand exactly what the confusion is about last night I can see putting him back in my POE. I am going to listen to what he has to say though, just like I've listened to speed. I don't think they can both be bad (but correct me if you think that's wrong).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?
My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.
@ColinIsCool @jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?
@anyone else, do you have any objections to these lists in any way?
JJJ's list is better.

Otherwise, no objections.

I'm not convinced on Sloonei and Luna. I can understand why some people suspect Luna. Are people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:48 pm Let's make another summary:

Quin's claim: Expecto Patronum directed at Timmer and Sloonei. <Patronus> Blocks redirects and other dark arts for Quin, Timmer, Sloonei.

Speed's claim: Quin visited Long Con.

For both claims to be true:
Timmer had to use a diricawl on Long Con. Didn't happen, or I'd have seen it. Timmer also denies it. NOT POSSIBLE.
OR
A redirector had to target (my floo partner), aiming to redirect them at Timmer for some reason. I got caught in it instead. I got directed at Timmer, and saw Quin there with ???. This adds an extra scum night action when we already know they did a lot of things. It also nails my other spotted suspect as scum. NEAR IMPOSSIBLE.

Quin is lying. His story doesn't make sense, he targeted Sloonei for some reason, he only revealed one target at first.

I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.
This is the Quin/speed thing.

If you have questions, @juliets, you know where to find me

speed could you be more specific about what your floo partner did or are you saying he was a target? And if you are saying your floo partner was the re-director who does he/she say they re-directed? Thats the part I'm confused about. Thank you.

Oh also, I voted INH.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 pm Looks like I got a lot to read?

Yeah DH and after you do could you explain to me what went on last night with speed and quin? So confused...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:22 pm Wait juliets what do you mean you don't remember? DDL should have told you his actions.

DAMN DDL did tell me Glorfs actions and trying to use the Phoenix wasn't one of them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:14 pm Ok, I have been debating this at work and have decided that given the confusion about the night actions I should at least clear one of them up (or make it more confusing).

When I got Glorf's role card I was blown away to see that he had the Phoenix. I suspect he was waiting to use it if JJJ died but of course I don't know for sure. So I promptly did what Colin has been begging everyone to do and I used it, targeting Turnip Head. When dawn came I felt punched in the stomach to see that INH had been rezzed. I suspect I was targeted with Imperio though the only way that makes much sense is if the mafia already knew where the Phoenix was. I mean, why would they target me of all people with Imperio?

So mix that into the cake batter and see if we get a less lumpy cake - or is it now more lumpy?

lots of linki which I will read now
Did Glor fail N1 or more likely N2? If they misdirected you into a dead player, they had to know you had a phoenix.

This means scum misdirect shenanigans very unlikely to be the cause of Speed/Quin discrepancy.

I didn't remember Glorf failing but if he did I at least feel better that he tried to use it. And yes, they had to know.

Ok, I have been debating this at work and have decided that given the confusion about the night actions I should at least clear one of them up (or make it more confusing).

When I got Glorf's role card I was blown away to see that he had the Phoenix. I suspect he was waiting to use it if JJJ died but of course I don't know for sure. So I promptly did what Colin has been begging everyone to do and I used it, targeting Turnip Head. When dawn came I felt punched in the stomach to see that INH had been rezzed. I suspect I was targeted with Imperio though the only way that makes much sense is if the mafia already knew where the Phoenix was. I mean, why would they target me of all people with Imperio?

So mix that into the cake batter and see if we get a less lumpy cake - or is it now more lumpy?

lots of linki which I will read now

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:15 am I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion.
Cop checks I get. Can't be helped, fate is sealed, no reason to get all hot. But this line of reasoning is stupid.

Just got home and am catching up - what exactly is stupid?

I had time after all. Note this list may change - just because someone is out of the POE right now doesn't mean they will stay out. Depends on future behavior. And obviously people can and should move up to civ.

I'm reading these people as civ (these are not in any particular order):

Jay
nutella
DH
Mac
poutanko
Quin
Colin
kara

Unsure about:

Jack
Luna - she's right on the line, I will try to clear her next
Sloonei
sprityo
timmer - I thought I had cleared him but then something happened - need to re-read soon

Pretty sure he's bad and know he's bad:

speed
INH

I wasn't active last night mostly because I was immersed in election results and had a disappointing game night which kinda got my head out of the game. I did skim what was happening. I feel much better today though, the game goes on.

I totally agree with Jay's statement about speed's reaction to a red check. I think most people would be reacting with more emotion. I'm somewhat confused though about one thing: what is the tangle regarding what speed and Quin are claiming about their night actions? I got confused somehow reading through it I'm also torn about whether to vote speed or INH today. Are those of you voting speed doing so because you're afraid INH has a lynch protect a la LC? Or is there another reason you consider him more dangerous. Apologies if I missed the explanation.

I don't have time this morning to publish a list of who's currently in and out of my POE but I will do it when I get home from work, hopefully around 3:00.

good morning everyone -

sprityo, any thoughts this morning?

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