The Syndicate

That should say "busser" not "bussed". My computer doesn't like my made up words.

Yeah I wasn't wild about either Made or Metlamarsh wanting to look at the other thread. I asked MM why he asked us about that but I don't remember him answering. I'll go back and look in case I missed it.

I don't remember Epi's comments after the Mac discussion but you bring up a good point that more than one person agreed that Epi was a potential bussed. If I remember correctly the feeling was "always watch out for Epi".

Ok Made, I'm going to try to address the comments of mine from my reads that you thought "sounded off". Just as an overall comment, I was typing my thoughts as they came to me so that's the way to read what I wrote. Here goes:

(Why would a civ silence Golden? Makes me think the silencing power is a baddie).
I said this in my comments about Golden and note this was a parenthetical meaning it was just an offhand thought. I thought Golden looked civ in the main thread so I was wondering why any civ would silence him. If you were civ would you want to silence one of the biggest civ sounding voices? Maybe the silencer is good and just disagrees with my assessment of Golden, or maybe someone bad has that power, don't know. Like I say, it was just a thought.

I did like his points about Quin, whether Quin is bad or not the points were insightful.
This was something I said about Scotty. I thought he did a good job of pointing out some things about Quin that I had not noticed. Maybe those things were evidence of Quin being bad or maybe not but the points showed me he was reading people closely. I feel similarly about the point S~V~S made about Wilgy - turned out the point was probably wrong as mafia Mac's role was from a game but it didn't make her point any less insightful in my view.

She has been very involved and doesn't seem tentative about giving her opinion no matter whether they match the group or not.
This was a comment I made about Prisoner. I think a lot of people when they are mafia tend to not want to rock the boat too much or talk too much. Prisoner has been involved at every turn and wasn't afraid to go against the grain pretty forcefully when we were discussing the Mac suspicion. This is one thing that leads me to believe she is civ.

I wish S~V~S could remember more of why her feel for Made was bad.
As I stated in my read, Epi stated a belief that you were bad Made, that you were working too hard to be seem good after your turn as a baddie in Felt. I'll never be able to ask Epi what made him think that. S~V~S had indicated she remembered feeling you were bad but didn't remember why. Since my read on you was null I was wishing that S~V~S could remember why she thought you were bad since she is here and could provide me with an opinion that might move me off of a null read.

Wish she had voted.
I said this about bea. As we have discussed, bea didn't say much besides that she was sick and busy, and that she thought some people were good and some were getting a bad rap, one of them being you Made. If she had voted I'd at least have some idea of one person she thought was bad, so I wish she had taken the time to vote. It doesn't leave me with a good taste because I know in other games even though she's been at work she's taken time out to vote on her phone.

Those are the statements you highlighted as being "off" Made, let me know if you have any questions.

Well, Donna never replied to my observation about her quote and John never replied to my request that he summarize his suspicions/thoughts from the main thread. I'm batting a 0. Meanwhile though, to borrow from S~V~S, Donna you're not a girl are you?

John, it would be helpful to me if you would just remind me of what things you said in the main thread. You're right that low contribution doesn't mean no contribution it's just that nothing stands out to me. So maybe just a short synopsis of what your suspicions or thoughts were would be helpful. Thanks.

Made wrote:
juliets wrote:
Made wrote:
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juliets wrote:I'll try to give somewhat of a read on people here as kind of a starting point for our time together in this thread.

I feel good about Golden. He reminds me of a civ Golden, everywhere all the time posting his thoughts. I will say though I can't remember how a bad Golden acts so I don't know how good my read is. For our purposes here though I wouldn't vote for someone silenced so he's off the plate for me. (Why would a civ silence Golden? Makes me think the silencing power is a baddie).

Scotty - feeling good about Scotty and since I don't have his posts to go back to all I can do is say it's vibes. I did like his points about Quin, whether Quin is bad or not the points were insightful.

llama - I feel like I'm seeing the llama I saw in Felt, good llama. His early instincts were good there too which makes me pay attention to what he has to say about Soneji. He linked us to the baddie Mac game which showed Mac making the same kind of short choppy posts he was making in this game, thus solidifying my read. I won't be voting for llama unless something pretty radical happens here.

Metalmarsh - I was initially unsure about MM because he posted a lot at the beginning of the game that said nothing. I didn't consider him for a lynch because it seems like he often gets lynched early for this very thing. I feel like he has blossomed though starting with his posts about Mac's past games going through to when we split the thread.

S~V~S - I can't read S~V~S with a toot, she is too good at this for my meager powers. I haven't seen anything thats caused me any concern though. Her observation about Wilgy asking Golden about Monkey Island was right on point until we discovered the mafia had games on their role card at which point she conceded.

Prisoner - I wish I knew who Prisoner is to help me with my read. I haven't agreed with her on everything but that doesn't mean she is bad. She has been very involved and doesn't seem tentative about giving her opinion no matter whether they match the group or not. I tend to agree with llama who observed that Prisoner wouldn't have changed her opinion about Mac at the last minute if she were Mac's teammate. For now I have a positive reaction to Prisoner.

Made - Epi said he felt Made was working hard to not seem bad after having been bad in Felt. I don't know what he saw that led him to this conclusion (maybe if he's cheerleader he can tell us) though and just because Epi was good it doesn't mean Made is bad. I had an initial bad gut reaction when he wouldn't tell us the game he was from but I don't play in many closed games so maybe keeping what you know close to the vest is important. I wish S~V~S could remember more of why her feel for Made was bad. Right now he's a null read for me.

bea - only a few posts and aside from what S~V~S said the only thing I remember about bea is she was busy and is sick. Not much help here. Wish she had voted. Null read for me.

cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.

Sonja, Boomslang, Coltrane - I'm lumping all of these guys together because I see them much the same way. Low posters, not offering much. I already talked about Booms and my observation that his posts so far don't seem engaged with the game compared to past games he's been in and I wasn't wild about his randomized vote on a day when there was plenty to look at and vote on. Soneji from my memory also has few posts and has that one post about meta being a crutch in the heat of the Mac lynch - not a good look. And Coltrane also hasn't participated much and was the last voter for Mac, potentially piling on as a teammate. I could vote for any of these three at the moment and may place a pressure vote on one of them today depending on how things go.

Hope I didn't forget anyone, if I did I'll catch them in a later post.
this one Juliets. Don't intend to vote here yet, but It just reads funny :/
Well, I don't really know what to say about this post. It's just my reads as of this morning of everyone in our beach side except Donna who we can't vote for. Was there something specific that struck you?
Highlighted things that read funny in pretty colors.

I looked at the things you highlighted and they all seem like normal observations to me. I'll take another look in the morning and maybe I'll be able to see what you're talking about.

Made wrote:
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juliets wrote:I'll try to give somewhat of a read on people here as kind of a starting point for our time together in this thread.

I feel good about Golden. He reminds me of a civ Golden, everywhere all the time posting his thoughts. I will say though I can't remember how a bad Golden acts so I don't know how good my read is. For our purposes here though I wouldn't vote for someone silenced so he's off the plate for me. (Why would a civ silence Golden? Makes me think the silencing power is a baddie).

Scotty - feeling good about Scotty and since I don't have his posts to go back to all I can do is say it's vibes. I did like his points about Quin, whether Quin is bad or not the points were insightful.

llama - I feel like I'm seeing the llama I saw in Felt, good llama. His early instincts were good there too which makes me pay attention to what he has to say about Soneji. He linked us to the baddie Mac game which showed Mac making the same kind of short choppy posts he was making in this game, thus solidifying my read. I won't be voting for llama unless something pretty radical happens here.

Metalmarsh - I was initially unsure about MM because he posted a lot at the beginning of the game that said nothing. I didn't consider him for a lynch because it seems like he often gets lynched early for this very thing. I feel like he has blossomed though starting with his posts about Mac's past games going through to when we split the thread.

S~V~S - I can't read S~V~S with a toot, she is too good at this for my meager powers. I haven't seen anything thats caused me any concern though. Her observation about Wilgy asking Golden about Monkey Island was right on point until we discovered the mafia had games on their role card at which point she conceded.

Prisoner - I wish I knew who Prisoner is to help me with my read. I haven't agreed with her on everything but that doesn't mean she is bad. She has been very involved and doesn't seem tentative about giving her opinion no matter whether they match the group or not. I tend to agree with llama who observed that Prisoner wouldn't have changed her opinion about Mac at the last minute if she were Mac's teammate. For now I have a positive reaction to Prisoner.

Made - Epi said he felt Made was working hard to not seem bad after having been bad in Felt. I don't know what he saw that led him to this conclusion (maybe if he's cheerleader he can tell us) though and just because Epi was good it doesn't mean Made is bad. I had an initial bad gut reaction when he wouldn't tell us the game he was from but I don't play in many closed games so maybe keeping what you know close to the vest is important. I wish S~V~S could remember more of why her feel for Made was bad. Right now he's a null read for me.

bea - only a few posts and aside from what S~V~S said the only thing I remember about bea is she was busy and is sick. Not much help here. Wish she had voted. Null read for me.

cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.

Sonja, Boomslang, Coltrane - I'm lumping all of these guys together because I see them much the same way. Low posters, not offering much. I already talked about Booms and my observation that his posts so far don't seem engaged with the game compared to past games he's been in and I wasn't wild about his randomized vote on a day when there was plenty to look at and vote on. Soneji from my memory also has few posts and has that one post about meta being a crutch in the heat of the Mac lynch - not a good look. And Coltrane also hasn't participated much and was the last voter for Mac, potentially piling on as a teammate. I could vote for any of these three at the moment and may place a pressure vote on one of them today depending on how things go.

Hope I didn't forget anyone, if I did I'll catch them in a later post.
this one Juliets. Don't intend to vote here yet, but It just reads funny :/

Well, I don't really know what to say about this post. It's just my reads as of this morning of everyone in our beach side except Donna who we can't vote for. Was there something specific that struck you?

This is the post that sounded disingenuous to me. You haven't posted that much yet you say you don't remember the post in question. First you say you wrote something about him, then you say maybe it was a response to something he said. It just seemed to me you would remember better than this.

I realize it's just one post but it just gave me a bad feeling. My baddie read was not a strong baddie read but in GTH you have to pick a side.

Donna Meagle wrote:i wrote something about llama in the other thread it might have just been a response to something he said.

i think i agreed with him.

idk i'm peeved i can't go back and read the other thread.

Donna Meagle wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Coltrane has given no one any reason to trust him. I don't have a specific ping about him like I do against Soneji, but he definitely has work to do if he wants to stick around. I'd say the same for Donna Meagle, who appears to not be trying at all.
i'm trying.

S~V~S wrote:Now see, Donna Meagle is another one that was quiet and said not much then posted a few big posts during the night phase, but I don't recall anything specific she said.
i know i talked about sig.

juliets what makes me bad to you?

why do y'all think bea is bad?

Donna, there is a post you made which I thought sounded disingenuous. Maybe it's just because I have not heard much from you. I will find it so you can respond.

Also, regarding bea, though she posted in the main thread and talked about people she found good, she was not critical of anyone. We've had quite a lot of behavior and suspicions so why wouldn't she find anyone suspicious enough to name. When she comes back to the thread maybe my suspicions will go away, it depends on what she has to say.

Ok, let me find that post.

I didn't realize that about GTH reads and baddies. Makes sense though. I think this is the first time I've ever done one (I haven't played many games recently).

Prisoner, I gave Donna a GTH read of Bad. I don't think thats reflected on your chart unless I'm reading it wrong.

I'm going to keep my vote where it is for the time being but mentally I have one foot on Booms and one foot on bea. What bea says will make my decision for me.

Oh Golden voted for me! And I can't ask him why gosh darn it.

I would have to GTH read Donna as bad. I thought this post (below) was weird. She didn't say very much at all in the big thread but she can't remember what she said?

Donna Meagle wrote:i wrote something about llama in the other thread it might have just been a response to something he said.

i think i agreed with him.

idk i'm peeved i can't go back and read the other thread.

metalmarsh sorry but another question - the cheerleader. Talk about your read on her/him.

ok thanks metalmarsh - yeah I've never been call calculated before, that's interesting. I pretty much say what comes into my head.

Metalmarsh, what about me do you see as bad?

Red = bad gth;

On the cheerleader I guess it depends on whether the Process is a good or bad entity since the cheerleader is a manifestation of if (at least as I understand it).

bea
Boomslang
Cheerleader
Golden
John Coltrane
Made
Metalmarsh
thellama73
Scotty
Soneji
SVS

Give me a few minutes and I will do a set of GTH reads on people.

Made wrote:also, wanted to throw this in, the thing that put me furhter on the Juliet on the edge for me is her tone in the most recent post that went through after SVS's post. It seems very like her meta yeah, but it just reads off to me.

k bye for real this time. If you see me reading thread tell me to go away

which post was that again? can you quote it so I'll know which one you're talking about?

Soneji wrote:Not sure why people think my meta comment had to do with Mac when it was in response to the suggestion of finding out who the sock puppets were so they could be meta read. Nor was it saying that we shouldn't be using meta, just that we shouldn't devote too much of our resources on just that one tool, especially when the sock puppets if anti-town would likely aim to not give their real identity away, giving too wide a pool for meta analysis to be viable.

@juliets : Why would I want to research meta from a second hand perspective as a player who doesn't put much stock into meta? Would be a waste of my time.

As for those looking into my own meta, you should find that I don't shy away from mentioning my teammates as mafia. I have heavily bussed my teammates from early phases in all the games I was mafia.

Actually soneji my question to you doesn't make much sense now that you remind me your meta comment was in regards to Golden's wanting to know who the socks were. I still had in my head that you were talking about Mac.

linki

Never mind S~V~S you said the game was Host Wars. Sorry.

My read on bea this morning was null - nothing either way but S~V~S brings up a good point about her not having anything critical to say. I'll be interested to see what she says when she comes in next.

Marmot, Soneji's vote really doesn't mean much to me because of the possibility of distancing.

S~V~S what game was it where you picked out Soneji as bad? I might take a look at it.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?

Based on the information I had coming into the day I'd vote sig but I was also uncomfortable with Quin and Boomslang so a lot would depend on what they would have to say. I really would like to understand Quin's response to Scotty, for example. Also, Soneji is making me a little uncomfortable. I'll see how he answers my question.

Marmot, why do you ask since we don't have that choice?

Well, I guess Scotty didn't change his vote after all.

Soneji wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Soneji wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Soneji wrote: Meta is a crutch as it means you can't catch said person in any kind of slip or make a convincing case that their behavior is scummy on its own. It is a tool that can be used to scumhunt but I'd never rely on it.
You would agree that it was successful in this instance though, yes?
Since Mac flipped mafia then yes. You didn't see me defend Mac did you? That was due to me recognizing it as a tool those people felt like using and not being familiar enough with Mac, I had no basis to agree or disagree with their assessments on his meta.
I didn't see you mention Mac at all, and I didn't see him mention you. Given the amount of discussion around him, that alone has me worried.
Why would I talk about a case based on meta, when I don't have familiarity with said persons meta? I only mention those that stand out to me personally and respond sometimes to general mafia discussion, nothing Mac said pinged me enough to talk about.

I wasn't familiar with Mac's meta either until I looked at games he had played. Did you look at any of the meta evidence we had uncovered? If not why not?

I'll join you Scotty on a Booms vote.

Cheerleader wrote:
juliets wrote:
Cheerleader wrote:
juliets wrote:I
cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.
Hai. Someone in here is bad.
I'm sure someone is but it's not me. Perhaps I don't understand this mechanic since I didn't play the game. You are not a person, right? I mean like a player.
I am a cheerleader. Go team!

Ok, I went back to the game but it didn't help much. It appears to be based on a video game which I'm not familiar with. If you are Epi you can be helpful and I don't want you gone. I'm not sure if we lynched you if we would be lynching the Process and I'm not sure if the Process is a good or bad being. Better to just go with my first inclination which right now is to vote for either Booms, Soneji or Coltrane. I'll follow the inclination of those who played Transistor where you are concerned.

Cheerleader wrote:
juliets wrote:I
cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.
Hai. Someone in here is bad.

I'm sure someone is but it's not me. Perhaps I don't understand this mechanic since I didn't play the game. You are not a person, right? I mean like a player.

S~V~S wrote:Now see, Donna Meagle is another one that was quiet and said not much then posted a few big posts during the night phase, but I don't recall anything specific she said.

Iirc one of her posts was a quote of llama's sig case with indication that she supported what he was saying. I don't recall what her other posts were, they didn't really make an impression. Since she's not on the poll in here though I'm not going to consider her anymore today. I will however take note of what she says in here just in case we can't reference this thread once we get back to the main thread.

Yes Marmot, agreeing with llama I would like to know who you think John Coltrane is. If I agree with your assessment I might not vote for him.

Interesting - Donna Meagle is not on the poll unless I'm just looking at it wrong. I wonder if that has to do with the thing about Pisces not having anything to worry about today.

I forgot Donna Meagle. She too hasn't posted much but to my memory she has posted more than Booms/Soneji/Coltrane. I get the impression she is trying to role play the Meagle role from Parks and Rec so that's interfering with my read. Right now I'd say she's a null read for me.

I'll try to give somewhat of a read on people here as kind of a starting point for our time together in this thread.

I feel good about Golden. He reminds me of a civ Golden, everywhere all the time posting his thoughts. I will say though I can't remember how a bad Golden acts so I don't know how good my read is. For our purposes here though I wouldn't vote for someone silenced so he's off the plate for me. (Why would a civ silence Golden? Makes me think the silencing power is a baddie).

Scotty - feeling good about Scotty and since I don't have his posts to go back to all I can do is say it's vibes. I did like his points about Quin, whether Quin is bad or not the points were insightful.

llama - I feel like I'm seeing the llama I saw in Felt, good llama. His early instincts were good there too which makes me pay attention to what he has to say about Soneji. He linked us to the baddie Mac game which showed Mac making the same kind of short choppy posts he was making in this game, thus solidifying my read. I won't be voting for llama unless something pretty radical happens here.

Metalmarsh - I was initially unsure about MM because he posted a lot at the beginning of the game that said nothing. I didn't consider him for a lynch because it seems like he often gets lynched early for this very thing. I feel like he has blossomed though starting with his posts about Mac's past games going through to when we split the thread.

S~V~S - I can't read S~V~S with a toot, she is too good at this for my meager powers. I haven't seen anything thats caused me any concern though. Her observation about Wilgy asking Golden about Monkey Island was right on point until we discovered the mafia had games on their role card at which point she conceded.

Prisoner - I wish I knew who Prisoner is to help me with my read. I haven't agreed with her on everything but that doesn't mean she is bad. She has been very involved and doesn't seem tentative about giving her opinion no matter whether they match the group or not. I tend to agree with llama who observed that Prisoner wouldn't have changed her opinion about Mac at the last minute if she were Mac's teammate. For now I have a positive reaction to Prisoner.

Made - Epi said he felt Made was working hard to not seem bad after having been bad in Felt. I don't know what he saw that led him to this conclusion (maybe if he's cheerleader he can tell us) though and just because Epi was good it doesn't mean Made is bad. I had an initial bad gut reaction when he wouldn't tell us the game he was from but I don't play in many closed games so maybe keeping what you know close to the vest is important. I wish S~V~S could remember more of why her feel for Made was bad. Right now he's a null read for me.

bea - only a few posts and aside from what S~V~S said the only thing I remember about bea is she was busy and is sick. Not much help here. Wish she had voted. Null read for me.

cheerleader - if this is really Epi's spirit, maybe he can put his two cents in to the discussion. I'm not sure how this entity worked in transistor but I'm probably going to go back to the game and see what I can glean. Given that it's not a person, if I have to default to someone because no one is striking me as particularly bad I could see voting for cheerleader. It really depends on how helpful s/he is.

Sonja, Boomslang, Coltrane - I'm lumping all of these guys together because I see them much the same way. Low posters, not offering much. I already talked about Booms and my observation that his posts so far don't seem engaged with the game compared to past games he's been in and I wasn't wild about his randomized vote on a day when there was plenty to look at and vote on. Soneji from my memory also has few posts and has that one post about meta being a crutch in the heat of the Mac lynch - not a good look. And Coltrane also hasn't participated much and was the last voter for Mac, potentially piling on as a teammate. I could vote for any of these three at the moment and may place a pressure vote on one of them today depending on how things go.

Hope I didn't forget anyone, if I did I'll catch them in a later post.

Yes if I had to guess who will get lynched in the hatch I would say sig.

llama i had forgotten that you made that point about soneji and it's something I will consider. I definitely remember his comment about meta being a crutch.

I am about to call it a night but will be back in the morning. I'll be here for a few more minutes.

In my above post where it says "pinky" smilies that should be "winky" smilies. My computer changed the word.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My sources and you simply have not been acquainted yet.
Who are your top suspects, whether they're at the beach or not?

Well my top suspect was sig. I originally voted for him before I changed my vote to Macdougall because of the case llama made on him, his posts that didn't say anything and his pinky smilies. (I checked two of his games and his posts seemed different and he did not use smilies in either game in the early days as often as he did in this game, and especially not that winky smiley.). Then this afternoon timmer brought up a good point about a post of sigs where he discusses suspects and doesn't even mention Macdougall. Then he turns right around and says he could see voting for Macdougall in another post. I know sig has the reputation of getting lynched early in games but someone pointed out he usually gets lynched for saying something, like a slip, not for reasons like we have here.

I also was intrigued by the points Scotty brought up on Quin. One of the main points had to do with Quin voting timmer. Timmer then came into the thread and told us what had been going on with him and I found his post to be very genuine. I then questioned Quin on how felt about his vote for timmer and he said he was going to give timmer the benefit of the doubt, but then he kept his vote on him. Scotty was questioning why he did that if he was giving him the benefit of the doubt and in my opinion Quin did not give a very good answer to that question. Scotty had a couple of other things too which I can't remember offhand but I found his points good and Quin's answers confusing.

A lesser suspicion, but I also have my eye on Boomslang. He only had two, maybe three posts, one of which was the Soviet joke and the other was the answers to DH's question and then his vote which was a randomized vote for Long Con. He randomed among the people who voted for Macdougall figuring there was a baddie in the bunch. Booms is usually quiet in games but I checked a couple of his games and his early posts at least had game content unlike what I saw here. It's not much but enough that I want to keep an eye on him.

Oh linki which I will read after I post

I wasn't setting up a defense of Mac at all when I asked Epi about Black Rock. I was instead making sure he wasn't just picking Mac out without good reason. As you say, if I am civ which I am it's good to question. I wish your sources had better information on me.

Scotty wrote:So in transistor mafia, if you were killed as a civ you became ingratiated in the Process, a third party.
In the case of Cheerleader, here is its role:
Cheerleader- Protect a Process element from all Night actions. Vote is worth 0.
To kill it, we have to lynch it. But it's not necessarily nefarious, just self serving.

I figure Epi will take the Sock, if patterns continue.

So it's an entity and not really a person - even though it's technically a sock? Do I have that right?

Prisoner 27385 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.
Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.
Two posts in particular: First, you questioned Epi's suggestion that Mac was bad and said something to the effect of "Black Rock has the same amount of content." The second was your post about how you saw "no evidence" to suggest Mac was just low on time which we talked about a few hours ago.

What was suspicious about me questioning Epi? I wasn't going to just believe his assertion that Macdougall was bad without asking questions. Black Rock had the same amount of posts or one more than Macdougall and those posts also seemed to be devoid of content. I was asking Epi to differentiate between the two.

On the issue of me saying there was no evidence Mac was just low on time, I was asking you to explain why you stated with certainly that he was low on time when he never mentioned anything in the thread about it. You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as if it were fact. I questioned how you knew this as it seemed to me you had knowledge that the rest of us didn't - maybe because he was your bts partner. After we discussed this in the thread you asked for a third party to give you an opinion about this interaction. Llama stated he thought I was right to ask you about your statements and you proceeded to question him as if his opinion - which you had asked for - was somehow wrong.

You seem to think I'm suspicious for asking questions. Have you never played with me before? Questioning is a hallmark of my style.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:My analysis of the Macdougall voters for potential bussers led me to name llama and juliets as the two most likely candidates. Llama is otherwise a civ read. Juliets is an uncertainty, so for the sake of discussion I'll call her my top suspect here.

Refresh my memory - what leads you to believe I bussed Macdougall? I was one of the researchers for his meta.

Scotty wrote:I'm afraid I don't have a huge suspicion of any of the peeps at the beach. There's always that small chance that none of us are mafia, though that's dumb. If I were mafia I would assume that there may be an off chance that you can only kill at the location you're at, so to maximize a double kill, put at least 1 or two in both locations.

Yeah I don't have a huge suspicion of anyone here either and it's going to be hard to develop suspects without having the thread to reference.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Will there be two lynches today?

Generally when we are divided into groups like this in games there are two lynches, yes. I'm assuming it is the same here.

bea wrote:Who was mac?

Macdougall was mafia Declan Rand from Psych.

And yeah, what a bummer that epi was nk'd. He is very helpful when good.

Scotty wrote:Quin isn't here. Wel shit.

Juliets I see you lurking. What say you today?

I was trying to decide whether I had to begin with a soviet Russia joke but I guess not. I was reading Quin's reply but it was confusing because he numbered the answers and I wasn't looking at your post to see what was number 1, number 2, etc. so I was majorly confused. I think he was saying he didn't think timmer had used the time he had in the thread well, whatever that means. He didn't directly answer why he said he was giving him the benefit of the doubt but left his vote on him, at least that I saw. He also said for another part that he didn't think he had to reiterate his thoughts. Not sure what he was referring to there.

I don't know who the heck cheerleader is.

major linki will read after I post

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