The Syndicate

faraday and hedgie are the other two I see that come before dana. But, maybe chris is looking at voting record as well as posts.

Actually no, there are several below her. Ninjablooper looks like the lowest. Then there are some people like bass, BR, Gotrees, Elo, etc. I didn't name them all or name them by number of posts just giving you an idea.

Thanks for your response Chris.

Also, I'd like to know why you think ninja blooper is the other possibility.

Chris I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Would you share the reasons you think I'm the recruiter?

Yes, I think the hosts have done a phenomenal job. You all make good points as to why LC should remain insanified.

Ok Gotrees, I'm sorry I didn't respond to you last night but I was engaged in other activity until I went to bed.

What I'm hearing overall about your behavior in the thread is that you are inexperienced and have fallen behind. You don't know how to baddie hunt which I can understand. You've fallen so far behind it is impossible to catch up so you do the planets thing even though it takes awhile because the alternative (catching up) would not do as much good.

I can understand what you're saying but be aware that the "behind and not caught up" thing is something baddies use to keep from commenting on anything that's current. Put that together with your doing something else instead of catching up and it looks baddie. Your response to me though sounds genuine. I'm not as inclined to think you are bad. But I'm going to give you some advice because you are new - do everything you can to catch up. There have been a lot of things discussed and it would have been nice to know what your thoughts are. If you just can't catch all the way up read what is current - maybe everything since the last post - and see if you can catch on again. For now I'm just going to keep up with you and see if I see anything else that's odd.

Long Con, send the hosts a pm. IMO, it is not fair that you have to stay insanified an extra day because they couldn't get the post up. At least that's my read on it.

Also bwt/bea, it would absolutely be better for me too if you moved that post time back (or up, whichever it is) to something earlier than 11:30. I can almost never stay up that late and it's fun to see the post come up.

Chris i have to re-read some of your postings to know whether or what i agree with. I think your final suspicions were Bass, Snowy, and Epi. I haven't re-read bass and snowy yet but I will do so today. Epi is acting strange - I've never seen him act like this as a baddie or a civ so I don't know what to make of it. It sounds kinda like he's burned out on mafia or doesn't like this game or something like that. So I don't know what to think about him.

Gotrees, thank you for responding to my post. Bea doesn't like me bringing football into her game so I will just say that right now I'm doing something that precludes me from putting my full attention on your post. I scanned it but need to read it and chew on it a bit to see if I have any questions. Please come back to check and see what if any questions I or others have.

YES, we did it! RIP to you sadie, it was good to play with you but BIH to your character. I feel so good that we finally got a cyberg!

I haven't even read about the planets yet but I lol'd when someone said it's time for Gotrees to make an appearance. Is he staying away because he doesn't want to answer my suspicions or is this just how he plays? Dana knows him and might have good insight if she would come back to the thread. Anyway, I'll pick a planet later.

And whopee to MP being back! The post was just full of good news!

I'm going to go ahead and vote for sabie now that TH straightened me out . I can always change later if something else happens.

And now, back to the Alabama vs. T A&M game! roll tide!

Turnip Head wrote:

Chris wrote:And then, she had such a good read on Made, that after 2 days of voting for him, she switched to Rico??

What? Why?

I just came across this as I was reading back through Sab's posts. She seemed very concerned about Made on Days 2+3, citing her experience with Made's civ game as reason to suspect him in this game. She voted for Made on Day 3 the Snowy1.0 lynch. But then on Day 4, Sabie suddenly decides Enrique is a bigger priority. She voted for Made twice in a row, but on the day Made finally receives a majority vote 14-10 - on the Day that Made is publicly revealed to in fact be unlynchable - Sabie has now voted for Enrique.

I think you're right Chris. I think she switched targets because her team checked up on the connection betwixt Rico and Made, and she was exploiting that information.

I know that's a harsh way to read Sabie's participation in those votes, but I'm finding it quite compelling atm.

ahh now i understand what is fishy about her votes. I wasn't getting it when there was talk about these votes earlier. I've been going around in circles with these suspicions/cases but this for me puts sabie in the lead. I've read her posts but now I'll read them with this theory about her votes in mind.

tried second time, it sends me to a list of games, go ahead without me

i''l come out and back in

it did not take me right to the game

which one is our game?

are we supposed to start or wait?

Turnip Head wrote:Jules, do you think there's anything to the case against Epi and Sabie?

I am going through Chris's posts and checking some things out for myself regarding especially sabie. There are a couple of things that bother me. I was going to research her and bring it to the thread this morning but Chris did it first. I didn't find all the things Chris did. I don't see her as a slam dunk baddie as everyone else seems to.

This doesn't mean I think Chris is bad because I've thought ever since that try to lynch him that he's probably civ. Therefore, it's really taking me awhile to assimilate Epig's case. I'm trying to look at it open minded but I'm still having a hard time. I need to identify what makes me think he is civ and see if that holds up agaisnt Epi's case.

seems like there should be a lot more people here.

TH we voted and non-Dr. Who information won.

Thats a good point Turnip Head.

Chris, I'm looking at what you wrote and looking at some of the sabie info so I took a look at her voting record. You said her voting record was one of the things that tells you she's on Epi's team. Here is her voting record:

juliets 1.0
made
made
enrique
enrique
chris

How does this record play into her being a baddie or being connected to Epi? This looks pretty good to me except she voted for a civ to start and I believe she voted, and voted hastily, for you who I think is a civ, last.

Oh! Ok, thanks chris, i just didn't see that in the gibberish.

RIP MP! I thought you were civ so I'm disappointed but not shocked to see your lynch deaded.

Today I was going to pull all the information together about sabie to see whether there is enough for me to suspect her because she has cricked my eyebrow but it looks like many of you are already there with sabie. I may still put something together just to get all the information in one place. I also want to take a look at blooper because something - I can't remember what - pinged me over these last few days but I've been more focused on people I had stronger suspicions of and didn't comment on the ping. Could be nothing but I'm researching none the less.

Chris you have some interesting thoughts that I will chew on. One thing I want to correct is when Roxy made that comment to Epi about his having recruited people, she was talking about him recruiting people to play the game, not recruiting people within the game. She was referring to how MP got a prize for recruiting multiple people to play the game.

LC, sorry to see you are insanified today, I would like to see any insights you may have gained from an MP lynch and also whether you know why you were saved. So many saves. I don't have a feel for you being good or bad yet.

I'm still waiting to hear from Gotrees, I haven't forgotten about him.

Thanks Elo.

Elochin, have you got any thoughts on the game?

Chris wrote:remember folks, I really think there is a lot of information that can be gained from the Lynch that ended early on day 6.

Chris, we didn't have a day that ended early other than the lynch where the host set times were earlier than usual. Maybe thats what you mean and I just read this wrong.

MovingPictures07 wrote:juliets 2.0, do you have any other suspects right now other than Gotrees?

I have two people who have piqued my interest but I don't want to name new suspects at night. You are not one of the ones I'm looking at.

Yay! Great job Roxy voters! And I agree that the recruitment angle is a mystery. I'll have to sit with that for a bit and see what i come up with. It seems like it would be the Master but people have made good points that recruitment is not in the Master's role description.

I'm still waiting to hear from Gotrees. Note that when he posted yesterday it was right before my post and he started again with how he needed to catch up. He said he was going to catch up yesterday so I hope that is done and he responds during the night tonight.

Also I'm trying to eat lean so I'll got with the salad.

linki

I have decided not to vote for Chris because I think earlier today he was sounding like a desperate civvie. If he hadn't taken that vote off himself I probably would have voted for him because what's the use if you're going to vote for your self.

The Roxy vote has gained steam today and unfortunately I don't have enough time to review her posts and do any research, so I will not be voting for her today either. I spent my time on Chris, Gotrees and a little on Epi.

So instead I'm going to go ahead and vote someone I am personally suspicious of and that's Gotrees. I don't know why he didn't address my post when I posted it because he was in the thread. Plus I gave him a heads up this morning that I would be looking at him today. My vote is saying "heads up Gotrees this is serious, you better come and respond". I doubt that others will vote with me today but I do want to make sure he's on everyone's radar.

ok, thanks for the response and the link Epi

EBWOP- Epi I meant to ask you to link me to something if you've already explained this.

Epi I've been mostly focused on the whole LD portion of the case against you but since that is cleared up I need to think about your baddie hunting. The claim against you seems fair - I haven't seen you baddie hunt in your normal aggressive style. The style you used with me, even though I was good. What's going on with the baddie-hunting since you subbed back in? If you've answered this amidst all the other lie detector stuff I missed it.

Chris, why did you vote for yourself? If you're a civ that's not the way to fight back allegations that you are baddie.

Just a few things I want to put out there about Gotrees that crick my eybrow a bit.

First, we can't deny that Gotrees has been super helpful on the night polls that involved planets from Dr. Who. Gathering all that material and publishing commentary at the end of each group must have taken a long time. He also has posted some videos that are interesting but not directly related to what is happening in the game. So I have to ask, why hasn't his posting been as complete? He talks about catching up which excuses him from posting thoughts or doing any baddie hunting. If he can post all that material about the planets why can't he keep up?

Second, he indicates in this post he see's no connection between Enrique and Made, and says his own vote record is no better than Enriques, and finally he feels reluctant voting for made.

Gotrees wrote:Man, I'm not certain on either of them.

Epig does a better job arguing his case than Dom does, but Enri does a better job arguing his case than Made does.

Are people assuming Made is the Emperor Dalek and cant get lynched? Someone mentioned it earlier: if that were the case, there would be no need to save him last night. Also, I don't see any connection between Enrique and Made. Frankly, other people have come across as closer to each other.

The most suspicious thing on Enrique to me is his trend of unlucky votes, but it would be pretty hypocritical for me to criticize him for that, considering my record isn't too great either. His survival of last night is also a bit odd, but it seems pretty certain that it would be possible for him to potentially survive that night as a civ (eg. if the Master was blocked).

I feel reluctant voting for Made, though, too. I don't entirely understand the argument against him.

The thing I'm ultimately falling back on to base this vote on is my experiences with them outside of the game, since I mostly know them in that context. I mentioned on one of the first days that Made seemed a bit off to me. Enrique seems more like his usual self. It's entirely possible that he's just a better liar, but that's what I'm going on for now. I really hope I'm right.

Third, Gotrees had this to say about Enrique (and MP) before the Enrique lynch. Note it begins with a soft complaint about how hard the game is to keep up with:

Gotrees wrote:Man, even without a lot of discussion this game is too much for me.

To be perfectly honest, MP and Enrique both seem equally bad to me. And by that, I mean they both seem civ. But so does everyone else. They just seem less civ than most people. I really need to improve my baddie-detector.

The case against Enrique is pretty much set in stone, I think. I agree that Made's actions seem suspicious, but can Enrique be entirely blamed for that? It is possible that Made just wanted to go out with a bang or something, or as someone mentioned a few posts up, wanted to save himself from being exposed as a baddie in an almost-tie. I don't know.

(I cut off the rest of this quote which was about MP)

First he says that he sees MP and Enrique as civ, just less civ than others. I guess that means he see's them as bad? He also says MP and Enrique seems equally bad which I disagree with. In my opinion MP never seemed as bad as Enrique seemed. He then defends Enrique against the accusation that Enrique is on Made's team as evidenced by Made voting for himself. Again, in my opinion it seemed pretty obvious why Made voted for himself - to try and help save Enrique.

I know these issues don't feel meaty but like I said before, they've been stirring in the back of my mind. I'd like to hear from Gotrees and would especially like to know why he has a lot of time when he is putting something neutral in the thread (the info about the planets) but has not gotten more involved in some of our discussion except in that post where he talked about MP. I'd like responses to the other quotes but again, especially my first point.

ok, thanks keys - i don't disagree

keys56000000000 wrote:LC, I realised those things recently, too. That illustrates my point re: lone civvie disadvantage. I forgot how much work it is to seriously be a good civilian in a game. That's the core to why I believe Chris: he's doing awful. And consider that he replaced in for Reywas - I see him on IRC all the time. I reckon he'd have the time for a baddie role in a team, that doesn't involve too much effort on his part.

keys56billion,

the part I underlined above, that you see reywas participating if he's bad - doesn't that lend more credence to the argument that chris is potentially the Master? If not, I've misunderstood what you are saying. Chris's argument that reywas wouldn't have done anything night one is the one pause I have regarding him being the Master.

Also, I keep being bothered by some things Gotrees said earlier in the game in support of Enrique and I think Made. At the time I brushed it off but the more I think about it coupled with how helpful Gotrees has been (one thing baddies like to do is be helpful) the more uneasy I am with him. I will try to pull together some quotes to illustrate what I mean but I did want to give Gotrees the heads up that I'm concerned.

ok thanks for your response chris

Chris wrote: I wasn't clear on my survival for a few reason Juliets. First, I don't want to role hint, much less out my own role. Second, if other players with killing powers think for a second that I am The Cyber Controller, they'd be less inclined to target me. So I didn't mind the vagueness.

I am not a baddie. The Cybermen tried to kill me because I'm getting too close. I survived because of my role. Strax tried to kill me because he's either a nub, or his target got redirected. I survived because I am a civ.

Chris I'm not accusing you of being either role I'm just trying to sort out what I saw in the thread. So if I understand you correctly you didn't want to role hint which is why you didn't mention the possibility of Sarah or Jack. Then in your second response you did mention them. What changed between your first response and your second response that made you list sarah and jack as possibilities? Or am I just not understanding your answer.

Also though, I forgot to mention I think your guess about being on of the first three Strax kills is a good guess. I didn't see that before in the Strax role description (maybe it's what bwt added or my brain is just not working right).

Chris, I know you can't reply while you are out on a job but I'm patient and will wait.

This first quote is what you said after the lynch where you were guessing that you were protected, i.e., you didn't know why you survived. Then in the second quote you said you could be Sarah or Jack.

If you were Sarah or Jack why wouldn't you have brought that possibility up initially in the previous post?

Chris wrote: Being protected would stop any and all kill attempts on a person as far as I know. Dom asked about a one time protection, such as one given for recruiting. Clearly I don't have one of those. I can only assume that I was protected. (Most fortuitously )

Chris wrote:
And MP, granted, there are no protector roles that we know of... but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And there are PLENTY of ways that I could have survived. Sarah, Jack, I was one of the first three civs that Strax targeted.

Thanks for letting us know bwt

Yay for the lynch!. You did a good job on that case MP - kudos to you. MM, will miss you personally but will not miss your character.

I'll have to put my days and times in tomorrow for the contest because I'm too tired to think about it. I know I can't end after 8:30 on any night and can't do it at all on Thursday or Friday (jeopardy). Oh - I guess I just did what i thought i was too tired to do. Ok, gotta check the right box and then I'm off to bed.

I have taken another look at how I'm evaluating the evidence against Epi and I still feel that there is not enough for me to vote for him. I'm leaving my vote where it is but I'll make sure if anything unexpected happens that makes me suspect someone more I will change my vote.

I am going to go ahead and vote metalmarsh now and then re-evaluate Epi when I get back from the game based on what happens between now and then. I'm gone now until tonight.

EBWOP: I meant Lie Detector not role checker in the second paragraph second line.

I went through MP's case on MM and then went through his responses. I still don't understand the whole issue with asking MP to vote for Made and then voting for Snow Dog. I mean, I know what MM explained and understand it, it just sounds too bizarre for me. Given MP's points and MM's lack of explaining some of them to my satisfaction I will probably vote him.

Well damn, so that statement in quotes is not checkable? I was so hopeful robotgate was over once and for all. And why was Epi not willing to show where he had said it? That's just trying to do yourself in. I'm giving up on this for now but I'm not convinced Epi is a baddie given that he made the other statement which precludes him from being a baddie if the rolechecker checks it. I really don't understand why people think the statement is slippery - if it were me I don't think I would have been able to find a checkable statement that was any better - but i also don't understand why Epi will refuse (note that I am assuming he will refuse) to give us the statement without the quote.

Epi, I have not been through the people in your post nor have I worked through the logic you used to get to that group of people. At first glance I can't see why people who voted Made then Enrique would potentially be Cybermen (or was it Dalek). I will go through the post again just probably not before this lynch because i will be away from the computer for a large amount of time today.

I will probably come back and vote before noon because I have a game today and then tailgating and all that. I'm afraid I may not be in shape to comprehend a lot tonight!

Oh also, I am not a robot and I am not a role checker and I am not on a team with a role checker and I am not on a team where a role checker has been That's a compound sentence that if any part of it is false the whole statement is false. If this is not good enough:
1. I am not a robot.
2. I am not a role checker and I'm not on a team with a role checker and I have never been on a team with a role checker.

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:I liked you and SVS better as red MP. It really stands out.

Purple is a HUGE improvement for the mods.

I requested the teal


And yes, I am annoying

Oh! Well then, it looks great!

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok where to start . The two cases that make the most sense to me is the case on MM and the case on Epig 2.0. MP made some good points about MM maybe distancing from possible teammates. But the case on Epig is what I find myself agreeing with the most. The fact that he is an English teacher and knows how to word phrases is what makes me second guess him and his explanation for why he gave the statement he gave for the LD. I think he was trying to give a good enough answer without seeming like a liar to the LD.

Bass, what do you think of the fact that Epi has now said "I am not a robot"? That's the statement that others have been asking for.

Thank you for responding DF