The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 16, 2018 3:31 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:41 pm how did long con know about epignosis' murder being from a vigilante?
I had unlocked JJJ just the night before.... just like I think I said back then, I believed that that was what had happened. It made easy sense to me with what I knew.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 8:34 pm I saved you @Long Con and you lynched me for it.
I tried to refill his shots and he blocked me.

I blocked both you and juliets on the nights you were killed as well. Also: unlocking wolfbre was not a choice, I missed the PM deadline that night and it was randomized. It was the start of a beautiful stretch of targeting baddies though. And I was protecting myself, Jack, I didn't need your help to survive that kill. That was another thing I believed: that I had been the baddies' target on Night 3. Not much I could do with that info though.

Yes you blocked me my one time I used my power (I had just been unlocked the night before) when I tried to take Kyle off the poll. When I saw Mac going for Kyle the next day I was gnashing my teeth.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 15, 2018 7:49 pm I don't understand why people were dead set on lynching no-shows.

Kills were going through, and they were smart ones.

Well, INH was in that category and he was bad after all.

In the spectator chat I had two of the four: JJJ, Mac, Long Con, DDL. I don't understand why I was killed though, I was definitely considering Jay for a vote, not any of the ones who were actually bad. I knew Kyle was the 3P when my powers got unlocked right at the end. I tried to take him off the poll but I was blocked. Congrats baddies you played a good game! Thank you Quin it was a lot of fun except we sucked, lol!

EBWOP: captures not capture

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:04 pm
wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:52 pm I'm not trying to salt the wound jay, I don't think you're just a townie who has been very wrong most of the game, I just think you have gotten caught with your pants down now that it is crunchtime
Trust me. If I was a mafioso my pants would be secure. I would be in total unfailing control of this game and going hard for the perfect finish.

My pants are down because I’m a civilian.

But that's exactly what it feels like you're doing - going for the perfect finish. Tell me this: have you ever been civ before and had this many misses in finding mafia? I also recognize that you're a somewhat easy target since you've done the work of leading us and you could be civ. I need to read your iso in a couple of games where you were bad and compare I guess.

Also, Kyle's comments re: not trying to solve the game capture why I am feeling you are off.

I can wait until you get home from your conference for you to answer my question so you can conserve your phone battery.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:37 pm He's tried harder than anyone in this game. I just won't be able to be convinced he's not Civ after the game I have seen. Did you feel like lynching him?

He just seems off to me. I don't know yet what I want to do.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 2:47 pm It’s about to be LyLo and I don’t trust any players. It’s pretty wild.
You trust me.

Jay is Civ, Wolbre. He's not on the table. Ever.

What do you see that causes you to be convinced that he's civ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 5:28 pm My tonsilitis has spread into a full blown upper respiratory tract infection. This sucks balls.

Oooooh sorry Mac hope you get better quickly.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 1:03 pm the fact that I am proud to be your friend is not related only to your alignment just to be clear

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 12:15 pm because you're the only person here who's not inexplicably taking an unwaveringly extremist stance during a tine when slowing down and talking could be useful and it's a little refreshing

Same to you Kyle and if you're mafia I'm proud to be your friend as well. (I'm not though).

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:38 am Has anyone besides nova considered that the 'town leaders' have helped led or vote on wagons to lynch 5 townies consecutively

Yes, we were talking about that yesterday. Is there someone specific you are thinking of?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 8:09 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:52 am JJJ you want to go after another inactive? That has not worked well for us so far.
We’ve only tried one.

Nothing has worked out well for us so far. Why does Dom flipping civilian mesn anything about the other inactive players?

Well, it doesn't of course. I guess I'm just gun shy on the inactives which doesn't mean I won't vote one tomorrow.

JJJ you want to go after another inactive? That has not worked well for us so far.

Well that is depressing. RIP Dom.

I think I need a rest from this tomorrow. I'll be here just not all day like today.

Ok I'll have to come back later to see the reveal - my husband is chomping at the bit to start our show and I don't see Quin. bbl

Yeah I'm not wild about that.

So Long Con has voted Penny - I wonder if thats because there are too many votes on Dom.

For at least this moment I'm voting Dom.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:23 pm Here's the thing about Pennywise,

He's active on another forum I'm part of, so there is no excuse for him not be active here, unless he has not interest to play this game and got completely disengaged. As a scum, I don't think he would act like that and penalize his team when there are this close to winning. He usually have a good thread presence, and he's a decent fellow.

This is another thing, that DDL should have considered tbh tbf.

Ahh ok that is very helpful. He hasn't been to the site since Wed. so he's not even trying to stay engaged with the thread. I think he's lost interest.

Kyle, I'm voting for Dom unless you have a good reason not to.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] if those were my only choices id go with Jay. He feels more off than the other two to me.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:14 pm Nova, what are your thoughts about Jay? You said you liked the way he entered the day. Any other things to consider about him?
I liked his entrance only in comparison to Mac, DDL and you. I haven't liked much from him. I was going against him D3, I think and I'm not totally against voting him now. I didn't like how he brushed aside his case on INH, ignored the questions from INH, and started jumping on wagons in order to "vote together, vote as one".

What about you?

He seems off as Kyle and I were discussing but he can't defend and theres the issue of being screwed tomorrow if we're wrong. I'm going to vote Dom or Penny which I know you think is a cop out but I see it differently.

Ok so which one - Dom or Penny?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:17 pm the problem is if we test that by lynching mac or jay, not only are neither of them here to defend, but also if we're wrong we're mathematically screwed tomorrow

I don't want to be mathematically screwed tomorrow. And I don't want to vote for someone who can't defend. Dom and Penny could be here if they wanted to.

Yes. Very true. I don't think we can Lynch Jay anyway. If we both voted for him Penny still gets lynched.

Ugh, Jay is also not here - phone running out of juice. Not here to defend. I hate this.

Yes what if he was...he was wrong about me though.

Nova, what are your thoughts about Jay? You said you liked the way he entered the day. Any other things to consider about him?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:10 pm like jays post yesterday, the "i'm gonna lynch inactives until the game ends one way or another" seemed off, and the "i'd volunteer to be lynched if nova, inh, etc weren't in the game" post seemed disingenuous to me. no he wouldn't? there's no way he'd do that

Very true. So why did he say that? Hmmm

Mac has talked me out of voting for Jay. Could Mac and Jay both be bad? Would Quin have allowed such an overpowered mafia?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:07 pm i think my biggest problem with jay is that he's seemed to go for very obvious things, more than what he'd usually do

His vote for Penny seemed odd to me. It was a pride vote - that just doesn't seem like a Jay thing to do. I have never played with a bad Jay though so I don't know what one looks like.

linki: yes I'm nervous and scared too - what should we do?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:04 pm also??? why is the thread so empty

Another good question. Where is your head? Who are you leaning towards?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:59 pm [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

This is where I'll be voting today. I refuse to vote against an inactive just because they're inactive. They may very well be bad, but now is not the time for a vote and pray.

I just can't vote against someone who is silenced and can't defend himself. After all, until you got in here and defended yourself my vote was on you (well technically it still is but you know I'm moving it). I realize if Mac is bad and his own team silenced him they were counting on people to react like me but I've been burned badly voting silenced people.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:53 pm @novaselinenever I haven't seen Mac as bad through this game but I guess anything is possible. I just have no evidence for it.
He's been wrong one too many times this game, and his vote pattern today is something I'm having trouble with tbh tbf. So far he's been jumping on wagons, very opportunistic ones. Inactives mostly. I've seen him vote for himself too.

I have attributed his vote pattern to reflect the fact the civs are trying to all vote together. I'm pretty sure he voted himself because he wanted to take his vote off you but didn't know where to put it. Thats a pretty common thing. You're right though that he has been oddly wrong. I almost feel like he would have bussed someone by now if bad just so he would look more like his civ meta. I don't know nova, I'm going around and around with this today. The more I think about it the less sure I am about anyone. I think I'm just tired.

Also, ok RL happens. And the fact that you were also gone with Greece helps.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:45 pm when it comes down to it, that same block of 4 players still has the least number of reasons to be townread, but it feels like shooting fish in a barrel
You mean the JJJ, Mac and DDL?
no :0

i meant the quiet ones. nova, inh, penny, and wolbre(?)

juliets how do you feel about novaselinever's fiery return

I'm so tired Kyle. I can't decide whether I am being bamboozled by nova or he is legitimately good. He seems to be asking the right questions. I would feel better if I knew why he was gone, it was so sudden and surprising. But I guess bottom line I'm not voting for him today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:45 pm when it comes down to it, that same block of 4 players still has the least number of reasons to be townread, but it feels like shooting fish in a barrel

You mean the JJJ, Mac and DDL?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:40 pm ok i'm back at home again, now what the fuck are we gonna do here

Thats a great question and I don't know.

Are the Penny. voters mafia? Are the Dom voters mafia? Which group to choose is almost as important as which person to vote for.

I forgot until I got to the end of wolbre's posts that he is working 12-13 hour days this weekend so probably can't post. I see some little things that bother me but nothing big. He got the whole thing with me and Dizzy all mixed up but I don't know that that was in any way AI. I'm loathe to vote for someone who is unable to defend themselves but if other find things in his ISO that I missed that look bad I could potentially change my vote to him.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] I haven't seen Mac as bad through this game but I guess anything is possible. I just have no evidence for it.

I have to leave and eat, will be back.

I said at the time I didn't like this much as Epi had not even responded yet so wolbre only had one side of the story yet was comfortable with this as his final vote. This could just be a cultural issue though.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:07 pm I'm going to be gone for EoD so my vote will be stuck on Epi. I won't answer pings until maybe 10-11 pm CST

Reading wolbre. This was after the Epi/JJJ argument. Did he perhaps know that Epi wasn't scum? (Maybe JJJ too we just don't know yet)

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 5:01 am If they're both scum I will eat my hat and record it for you all

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:20 pm What is the consensus on Wolbre ?

I don't have a clear picture of him as civ or as bad. He is null to me. Maybe I will re-read him. Do you have a clearer picture?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:05 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:00 pm [VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine
What about your case on Insertname?

Also, what exactly is giving you a Town read on DDL? I failed to see that tbh tbf. He's red, as one can be, for me. Been flirting with it since D1.
Nova we made a pact that because we can't afford more mistakes we would challenge each other on reasons for votes. Can you be any more specific on what has bothered you about DDL since Day 1?
I just answered that quoting him. I don't see much challenging, though. DDL vote Dom - > DDL vote Nova, JJJ and Juliets follow. Where is the challenging in that?

We have had discussion about the inactives through the last phase.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:16 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:13 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:11 pm TBH I’d rather we all lynch the two people who haven’t shown up, Dom and Pennywise, over the two who have, at least recently, tried to actively join the conversation, Nova and I.
I'm not opposed to that, I just need to decide between the two if thats what we all want to do.
I don't know anything about Pennywise, and I wasn't able to glean anything from his ISO. Dom's a known quality, and to be honest, I expect more from him in regards to participation than I've seen in this game. Plus, there was what you were talking about earlier, with him being shown as online and lurking in the thread without posting.

That's enough for me to feel comfortable with my vote staying where it is.

Just to be clear, I know that he was online during the night phase but I didn't see him lurking in the thread. He was on past my bedtime.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:11 pm TBH I’d rather we all lynch the two people who haven’t shown up, Dom and Pennywise, over the two who have, at least recently, tried to actively join the conversation, Nova and I.

I'm not opposed to that, I just need to decide between the two if thats what we all want to do.

Also nova I will probably change my vote I just don't know to whom yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:06 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:00 pm [VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine
What about your case on Insertname?

Also, what exactly is giving you a Town read on DDL? I failed to see that tbh tbf. He's red, as one can be, for me. Been flirting with it since D1.
Your suspicion of him reminds me of your wrong suspicion of me. I don’t see it.

I would vote INH if the majority prefers it. I refuse to lose to a living Pennywise though.

So Penny would have to be one of the two mafia that doesn't send in an action (I think thats true of two of them the way I read it) since he hasn't been here since Wed.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:00 pm [VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine
What about your case on Insertname?

Also, what exactly is giving you a Town read on DDL? I failed to see that tbh tbf. He's red, as one can be, for me. Been flirting with it since D1.

Nova we made a pact that because we can't afford more mistakes we would challenge each other on reasons for votes. Can you be any more specific on what has bothered you about DDL since Day 1?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:48 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:42 pm Fyi, Town must lynch correctly today or we loose majority.
Yes Kyle and JJ brought that up earlier. It would be helpful if you could tell us where you have been - you have not posted in days even though you've been online. And who do you want to vote and why?
I've been online for a few minutes each day, catching up here and on the JJJ's game. I haven't posted in neither, nor did I have the time to post.

I'll be voting DDL or Mac. Their case is inexistent, pushing a lynch against inactives when we have no room for mistakes isn't the behavior of someone who wants to win. I can't reconcile this push with a Townie mindset. This is an easy opportunity to get a mislynch, and it's what scum would do in this situation.

I'm giving JJJ a pass, because he started the day with some nice contributions and I'm not sure where he got lost in the way.

DDL has been on my radar since D1, and he's been fence-sitting ever since. I don't believe Mac is silence. Something isn't right there.

Honestly, I'm as adamant as they are that there is at least one mafia in our inactives (and I include INH in that since he was inactive most of the game even though he has shown up recently). I co-hosted a game that just finished where we had two mafia teams and the large majority of them were not very active so it's on my brain. So what else is there about DDL and Mac that causes you concern? I'm open to thinking about anyone at this point.

o geez lots of linki you may have already answered some of this when I get a chance to read whats been posted

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:50 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:43 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:41 pm What is the case against me, if I may ask ?
The same against Pennywise, Dom and INH. Prolongued inactivity.
So that's the case you're going with in the last lynch before loosing majority ? What about a case on my posts, and my interactions? Do you have any intention of solving the game?
Yes.

We talked about it, while you were not around, and some of us thought we can't win the game with 4 inactives, no matter how good we are at solving the game.
I have been inactive for just the last cycle and I have my reasons. You're hosting a game on NF that I'm playing, and I'm also inactive there. I was active before that.

> we can't win the game with 4 inactives, no matter how good we are at solving the game.

This is a bunch of bullshit. This isn't the mindset of someone trying to win the game, or solving it. So what, a few people are inactive ? Just lynch and pray amongst them? And maybe we'll get a baddie? Is that a viable strategy when we have no more room for any mistake?

Do you have a suggested Lynch target?

Also Mac is silenced.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:42 pm Fyi, Town must lynch correctly today or we loose majority.

Yes Kyle and JJ brought that up earlier. It would be helpful if you could tell us where you have been - you have not posted in days even though you've been online. And who do you want to vote and why?

I hope you guys come online soon - I've been here all day but may not be here for EOD so the sooner we can discuss this the better.

I'd really like to see some more people's opinions. Where is everyone?

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