The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:54 pm For me it just made sense to ensure he wasn't desperate to win at the end of the game (which could cause him to side with mafia). The way it ended up, he'd probably have sided with town.

From my experience indies usually side with civilians unless you give them a very strong reason not to.

yeah thats been my experience too DDL.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:57 am Just out of sheer curiosity why was INH's win con more important to everyone even more than their own win con?

I wouldn't say his win con was more important to me than mine, I just saw an opportunity to help him get the win, and at that point a win for the civs was in my view going to be much more difficult, so I figured I'd help him get his. No skin off my back. Did the same thing for LC in Game of Champs that one time.

Ok gotcha.

Just out of sheer curiosity why was INH's win con more important to everyone even more than their own win con?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:16 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:10 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:03 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:01 pm Did DH try to get Golden's ship to mutiny?

I did not.

Interesting, why try to get TH's ship to mutiny but not Golden's, especially if you knew he was bad?

I didn't see the point, and wanted to focus rather on getting INH his win.

ok, so you didn't want to be captain anymore? I mean, wasn't that the point of trying to get the Yun Qui to mutiny? I'm just trying to understand what changed.

Different times and different conditions. I didn't see the value in a mutiny against Golden. Aside from how difficult it would've been to get him lynched vs. TH, it would have risked him intentionally failing the mission to mess with INH.

The point of the Yun Qui mutiny was to get TH lynched.

Oh ok. Makes sense.

And you succeeded in getting INH his win! So congrats on that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:03 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:01 pm Did DH try to get Golden's ship to mutiny?

I did not.

Interesting, why try to get TH's ship to mutiny but not Golden's, especially if you knew he was bad?

I didn't see the point, and wanted to focus rather on getting INH his win.

ok, so you didn't want to be captain anymore? I mean, wasn't that the point of trying to get the Yun Qui to mutiny? I'm just trying to understand what changed.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:01 pm Did DH try to get Golden's ship to mutiny?

I did not.

Interesting, why try to get TH's ship to mutiny but not Golden's, especially if you knew he was bad?

Did DH try to get Golden's ship to mutiny?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:21 pm yes it was. I tried to get the vote but it was gone. Who got it?

It was me lol

but I was going to buy it and then leave it to you...I will never trust you again lol!

yes it was. I tried to get the vote but it was gone. Who got it?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:12 pm Wow Epi had the extra vote and he straight blew it. Incredible.

How do you know? I never saw that in the chat.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:24 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 10:21 am Dharm trying to start a mutiny against me was some truly funny shit. I'm glad that happened

People should've listened.

It was indeed hilarious.

What a great game Golden and TH. I'll never trust either of you again but thats ok. Congrats to the Mafia team!

I have to say a word about [mention]nutella[/mention] - had Golden from early on and realized it was TH before she died. I just couldn't follow her logic but that's the thing about nutella - her town game is flippy-floppy and it's my fault for not recognizing her meta. You were awesome nut.

Also, DDL nailed it late in the game. I was sure the civs were going to pull out a win especially when Epi realized it as well. I saw victory on the horizon. Speed also a "wow" for your post. And Mac, if only you'd lived but they had to kill you, you were too influential and solving the game so well.

Finally [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] and Mac what an awesome game, I'm sorry I didn't play it from the beginning. I had fun playing AND watching after I died.

Ok everyone, see you in World Asunder!

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:52 pm Golden, I'm taking a leap of faith. You can too. You too, juliets, DDL.

nut, you have given no reason for your turn around on TH.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:44 pm Let's get this deceptive vegetable or so help me

nutella what are you talking about? did I miss something?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:42 pm [VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

I believe inh is not a threat

What???

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I voted with Epi for INH. I have other things going on right now so I'm not consistently here.
DDL, you just don't fully understand the Colin/TH thing.

EBWOP: when I* back-read...

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:32 pm I'ma feel really dumb if he's bad lmao. I really really think he is not though. Unless epi is his teammate, he picked all civs for his crew, and the thing with Colin and how money has been exchanged was so pro-town.

The Colin thing also convinced me he was town when a back-read it in the ship thread.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:04 pm It looks like to me that the Bonnie Mac, after accusing us of not considering each other, are not considering their own.

Juliets I haven’t really seen you express a view on Nutella. What do you think about her?

The way the whole thing about the store stock went down in the ship thread last night I thought made nutella look civ. You guys have painted that as a move scum would make but the way it flowed, who said what and when made her look civ in my eyes. I'm not 100% sure of her but GTH I land on civ.

It looks like to me that the Bonnie Mac, after accusing us of not considering each other, are not considering their own.

DDL was under a lot of suspicion earlier in the game. Was it Enrique's flip that turned that around or something else?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:20 pm Considering what I saw in DF's post that I quoted yesterday evening, I have little-to-no interest in voting Golden today.

I have little-to-no interest in voting DH today.

I'll be looking elsewhere.

I don't have much of an appetite for either of them either but I also will not be voting TH.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm You didn't choose to out DF on the poll right? We absolutely would have lynched him no matter what lol

I intentionally tanked the mission, putting him on the poll. Gotcha

How exactly did you intentionally tank the mission?

I'm off to the doctor again. Be back later.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:02 pm It could be a civ or it could be a baddie. Keeping such an item away from the civ faction is a great reason for mafia to spend their money. I mean what else will they spend it on?

If I were them I'd just spend it on things that gave me points appropriate to the missions so I didn't have to be on the lynch poll.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:47 pm I'm reading DH, INH, TH and juliets as civs so the point is that I'm running out of options.

And besides today made me want to tear apart this Yun Qui happy family because I've decided it's a serious threat to the civilian faction. We lost Speedchuck last night because the civs among you thought it was a good idea to announce out loud that you were the ones who bought an item that protected everyone but the Bonnie Mac. Because some of you are bad, and the rest are locked in that toxic tribe mentality I talked about early.

DDL, do you think it was a civ who announced they bought the protection item? I mean, that makes sense to me because why would scum buy the thing, much less announce it. And I am not locked in a toxic tribe mentality, I am just convinced TH is good. I think it would be a mistake though to not consider people on your own ship. Isn't that just as toxic as what you accuse us of?

[mention]nutella[/mention] , you said you had some thoughts about why speed was killed. Do you want to share those thoughts? Do they implicate anyone?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:46 am Juliets what do you think of Golden after his responses to Nutella?

In general I'm still leaning town on him. He could always be faking his civ meta by posting a lot but I don't think so. I haven't, though, examined that iso of nutella so I may feel differently after reading it. I'm not sure what he's saying about you as he said if Enrique is bad you are good. Is he going back on that now or is he sticking with it? For some reason I couldn't tell. So in short, I lean town for the moment but if he goes after you again my lean could change or if I think he is imagining things in nuts iso. I do like the fact he is willing to take a look at DH who I'm still not sure about.

I have two doctor's appointments today so I won't be here consistently until about 3 or even after. I'll be around for the next 30 minutes or so if anyone has any morning questions.

[mention]Golden[/mention], just went and counted and you were mentioned 5 times total last night that I saw and only by me and Turnip. nutella didn't mention you once.

Golden, I'll do a more thorough search of our thread tomorrow but though you have been mentioned (including by Colin and maybe some others that I haven't seen yet), nutella and TH have not been driving a hard charge against you. We discussed your Enrique vote, that we didn't understand it, and as you saw we asked you about it this morning. I disagree with DH's assessment that last night was very Golden focused. I only remember us talking about that one thing. I don't feel in the least bit pressured to vote for you and in fact even joked somewhere (maybe the ship thread, maybe this thread) that it's funny they see you as bad initially based on some parallels with another game and I've been reading you as good based on some parallels with another game.

Other people have been discussed including Enrique and DFaraday. So no, it's not overwhelmingly a discussion about Golden being bad. Nowhere near that. I didn't review the thread all the way back to the beginning but I will do so and let you know if I see anything else.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:32 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:26 pm I couldn't have thrown the grenade at the Yun Qui for the same reason I couldn't possibly be mafia. And that reason is:

I'm good.

If you are good and wanted more discussion about who was bad why didn't you engage and try to contribute to the discussion? Or even say "Hey guys I think we should be spending more time examining each other."?

I didn't want to.

Because you weren't trying to solve the game or show leadership - you just wanted to disrupt - and why would you want to do that? To cause civs to turn against civs within the crew. If this is not right, feel free to explain what you were doing and are still trying to accomplish.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:26 pm I couldn't have thrown the grenade at the Yun Qui for the same reason I couldn't possibly be mafia. And that reason is:

I'm good.

If you are good and wanted more discussion about who was bad why didn't you engage and try to contribute to the discussion? Or even say "Hey guys I think we should be spending more time examining each other."?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:12 pm See I told you Yun Qui is mad because I'm spittin' hot fire and now suddenly they all think I'm bad hmmmmm

I'm not mad. I'm just digging for the reasons why you are behaving the way you are. I think it might be because you want to disrupt us because you are bad. And who threw the grenade if not you?

It was me I did it. I announced that I did it in the thread so that you'd catch me doing it.

If you did I missed it. Why did you want us to catch you doing it?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:12 pm See I told you Yun Qui is mad because I'm spittin' hot fire and now suddenly they all think I'm bad hmmmmm

I'm not mad. I'm just digging for the reasons why you are behaving the way you are. I think it might be because you want to disrupt us because you are bad. And who threw the grenade if not you?

I don't think we are against examining each other on the Yun Qui. I feel strongly TH is town but I'm only pretty sure everyone else is. I'm willing to look at everyone and if there is some good evidence I would vote there. I'm even starting to believe DH may be scum after all and accepted TH's offer so he could try and throw us into chaos. He certainly had no interest in scum hunting or anything else productive last night.

But I'm also asking why, if a scum bought the grenade like speed thought, why would they throw it into a ship that had one of their scum mates or two on it? Or, why did they throw it into their own ship and risk killing themselves? It's interesting to note that DH was not on our ship when the grenade came in.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:15 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:52 pm Noting I hit this day with a townread on everyone, I'm doing a ranking of how I currently gut feel from least likely to be mafia to most likely to be mafia.

Juliets
INH
DH
Epi
DDL
TH
nutella

As it stands I can see any of the bottom five being deepwolf but I don't believe the top two are.

Golden, what puts INH up at the top of your list?

Gut trust.

Ok and forgive me for pushing but I'm wavering on him, is there anything that's inspired that gut trust? Something that happened on the ship maybe that you don't want to or can't talk about?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:52 pm Noting I hit this day with a townread on everyone, I'm doing a ranking of how I currently gut feel from least likely to be mafia to most likely to be mafia.

Juliets
INH
DH
Epi
DDL
TH
nutella

As it stands I can see any of the bottom five being deepwolf but I don't believe the top two are.

Golden, what puts INH up at the top of your list?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:48 pm Oh, I see, TH was also at Harvest, I get the context now.

I've no knowledge of whether I've ever been at the same location as another crew before. It's possible that we could both attempt the same mission, I suppose? I never got a notification about TH picking one sooner and there only being one left, and given the mistake was found rather late in the phase and TH probably would have identified the error if he received the same thing I did... I would have guessed TH would have picked a mission earlier than I ended up doing.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] could you verify what we did? What Daisy or Mac said to you as it regards this subject.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:34 pm So Im a little confused but iirc we were about to do the easy mission on Harvest last night until Daisy came to our chat and said she had made a mistake and we were now doing the moderate mission.

Are you sure you guys didnt do the easy mission?

@Golden may know more about this subject.

You must have gotten the medium mission right before we asked for it. We did the easy mission the night before I'm pretty sure. TH can verify.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:08 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:04 pm I didn't know it only had the difficult mission. When we got here there were 3 available
I expressed in ship chat that I was going for the medium one

He did say this - I responded to it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:12 pm I forget, is Juliets currently Mac, Glorf, Sig, or Lap?

Glorf.

We need more people to weigh in.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:29 pm idk I just have my concerns about DH. I think he reads a little tone deaf atm, both about his involvement in lynching mafia as well as in the direction that Yun Qui is headed this game. I wonder what both crews think about him.

TH, I am totally turned off by how he came aboard our ship and instead of engaging us about the game tried to get us to mutiny without picking up on the fact that there was no desire to mutiny, and then came into this thread with the same crap. And I'm glad he put the three bad guys on the poll but I wouldn't call that flushing them out. In other words he seems to have a grandiose sense of self but I can't say that makes him bad. Why put 3 of his teammates on the poll? One or maybe two I could see but not three. Maybe I am overlooking something in his behavior but I have a hard time calling him bad at this juncture.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:41 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:30 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:24 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:12 pm I couldn't safely say which of my crew was bad, so I did the only logical thing and tanked the last Serenity mission on purpose to put both DF and INH on the poll. DF was bad and got lynched. Got 'em.

rude.

Had to do it.

Except, y'know, you didn't have to. You could have let it succeed and then put DF on the poll.

Fair point.

Has anyone taken a look at speed's latest reads to see if they can identify what led to him being killed? I'm going to try and do that today if no one else has.

Live from London:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:45 am Define flushed

I don't think I understand this either DH. I know nova flushed out Sokoth and it seems like Mac flushed out Enrique and I didn't attribute any one person to Faraday. But I could be wrong. I'd love to have a reason to clear you so please explain how you flushed out all three.

Ok, I have to calm myself before bed so I'm checking out of the game for the night.

@[mention]Golden[/mention] forgive me if you explained this but why did you change to Enrique at the last minute from Turnip Head who you were after for a long time? If you have answered this just point me to your iso.

Goodnight everyone!