The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:24 am Who was Harbinger?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:34 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm When I said we'd have made a great towncore I meant it.

Aw, I could feel the truth in that. ^^

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:41 pm TEAR NONE OF THE SAME GRAND OAK

FEATHERED, MONTANE KANGAROOS

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:57 pm I wondered also why he was so high profile after he found out he was the Harbinger. I was thinking dang, he is going to get NK'd. I'm just blown away.

Well, I didn't find out before now. =p
But for future reference, I'm not one to lay low just because I have a power. Gotta let your fellow town know you're town. That's my philosophy. ^^

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:52 pm @juliets yes that is what we were trying to figure out in here, and why he didn't trust you lol, it turned out LC and BR forgot to send him that pm so he never knew.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 pmWait yeah so about that. Were you not the harbinger? I thought that's what juliets was referencing, that you should have known she was 100% town.

No, I was just VT. My favorite role.
I inherited a jailkeep from G-Man the first night, which is how I knew he was town. When Jay and Ted ignored me going good for him, I definitely thought they were scum. I didn't use my jailkeep on N2, though I considered jailing Mac. I don't know who killed me.

Huh, confused about what @juliets was talking about then

On Day 4 when I was in the dream level Dizzy was ghost talking in the main level. He was calling me bad a long with Jay and said to "trust him". He knew I was good since he knew I was the monitor. I thought about the possibility that he was trying to protect me but I mistakenly thought the "trust me" part was too much. So I thought, oh no I picked someone bad to be the Harbinger and now he's lying to get me lynched. Ironically it was Tranq who convinced me he was indeed protecting me.

Yeah no I figured that all out, I understood all that perfectly, what I was confused about was why he didn't know which it turned out was a host error.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:01 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:58 pm Who had the Take 5 bomb @Long Con ?

No one ended up getting it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:48 pm I was hoping you’d kill me

I don’t think I performed a kill all game.

I did get blocked on the night we targeted juliets. That made me panic.

Was that N7?

Night 4, I think.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:48 pm I was hoping you’d kill me

I don’t think I performed a kill all game.

I did get blocked on the night we targeted juliets. That made me panic.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:00 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:39 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:15 am Can anyone check on S~V~S? Her last active timestamp is worrisome.

I've been worried too; she has a few new posts on Facebook but they're mostly generic memes

Turnip head, can you message her on fb?

She's fine and she apologizes for not considering that we might be worried about her She said she would stop by the site tonight.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:15 am Can anyone check on S~V~S? Her last active timestamp is worrisome.

I've been worried too; she has a few new posts on Facebook but they're mostly generic memes

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:57 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 amOn Day 4 when I was in the dream level Dizzy was ghost talking in the main level. He was calling me bad a long with Jay and said to "trust him". He knew I was good since he knew I was the monitor. I thought about the possibility that he was trying to protect me but I mistakenly thought the "trust me" part was too much. So I thought, oh no I picked someone bad to be the Harbinger and now he's lying to get me lynched. Ironically it was Tranq who convinced me he was indeed protecting me.

Aw, I'm sorry. I just had no idea. That must've been confusing.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:34 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:23 pmWait yeah so about that. Were you not the harbinger? I thought that's what juliets was referencing, that you should have known she was 100% town.

No, I was just VT. My favorite role.
I inherited a jailkeep from G-Man the first night, which is how I knew he was town. When Jay and Ted ignored me going good for him, I definitely thought they were scum. I didn't use my jailkeep on N2, though I considered jailing Mac. I don't know who killed me.

Huh, confused about what @juliets was talking about then

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:01 pm Great game everyone.

Jackofhearts2005 juliets @other civs: i'm sorry, i tried. I really did. I could've kept going. I could've switched speedchuck and Epignosis tonight, and get the not-Ted mafia killed. Or i could've used Harriet on both of them. But in the end i had to respect the Take 5 Bomb possibility, and couldn't risk it. A well deserved win to the Master team. They played great.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:17 pm But is juliets in that game?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:15 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:13 pm We still have a chance - there should be no question who to lynch tomorrow I don't think.

Depends on who is still alive. If there are 2 scum tomorrow, and 2 town, and Dizzy was dedede...

We boned.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:05 pm If it was in fact ted, I am surprised and ashamed.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:45 pm What should i do, @Juliets ?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:28 pm @speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:21 pm I'm here aswell. The one person we haven't heard from today is Tony. But i don't really want to swich votes on him last second. If he's bad, he really has me fooled.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:08 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:05 pm It would be just my luck - bad luck - if it really is Tranq and Epi.

If there's the SLIGHTEST CHANCE it could be Tranq I want to vote him.

SLIIIIGHTEST

Seriously go look at his ISO with sloonei. It isn't long.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:03 am Two Masters in this set:

Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:02 am Tranq on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:33 pm This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:35 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:31 am I'll repeat myself:

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:25 am Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Is there anyone except JJJ and Sloonei that does not plan on voting JJJ tomorrow?

Tranq said nothing whatsoever about Sloonei until Day 6. He cast some late suspicion when it was obligatory and did nothing with it. He is still plenty compatible.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:53 am TonyStarkPrime on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:35 pm I remember squinting my eyes at Tony earlier. Let's look into that.

sorry tony

keep tryin you’ll lynch me one of these days

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:43 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:47 am I’ll assume that person is scum and lynch them

I think it was this post that gave me the ole squinty eyeballs. I recall Tony making similar joke-posts early on in both Fallout and the Polka Heist, when he was bad. I took a look at the only town game I remember playing with him (Australian Murder Mystery) and he still had a few joke posts early on, but he got down to business pretty quickly. He's more on-topic after this post, but it's the "[Joke about arbitrary suspicion]" brand of post that got my attention.

This is not something that would determine my vote.

I’m just a regular ol jokester

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:49 am

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 pm

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

The part where you keep downplaying Jack being god tier at reading you. I have demonstrable evidence that you know and highly regard his ability to read you. The lines of logic you are using are fallacious as opposed to what they would naturally be if he was actually wrong.

But what would be they be if he was actually wrong?

Surprised, or she'd have a fierce scum read of him.

I tend to disagree. We’ve seen this a few times with Rej and Drago (I don’t think in any of the cases where one had a strong day 1 read they were v/v, but I’ll have to check) and it’s been discussed there and my general idea is that the usual reaction is bewilderment, general anger, and resignation — in either case.
For me I’m thinking about what I would do if Sloonei came after me with a case in a few days. it’s a technique Sloonei can pull as scum, but I have to assume that Sloonei as town can misread me too or else what am I saying about my own ability as a scum player?

Did Sloonei lynch me in the game we played together as town? I have no recollection of that game at all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:27 pm Colin is probably the player I’ve driven the most mislynches against historically. I’m wary of that. None of his posts have stood out to me, but I’ve been operating at less than full capacity the last 72 hours.

G-man has been underwhelming. That becomes more suspicious the later we get into the game.

I’m on opposite of this. G-man gives me a good feeling, haven’t gotten any of that sense from Colin. Though I didn’t eeLly know Colin was in this game until now. It’s hard to keep track of so many players.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:17 pm Dizzy is town, Colin is ehh.

I knew you would come to love me. Are you town though? Cause I want like a read list or something from you. Or at least your top suspects or something. Basically just want to know more where you're at and not so in the background.

Town:

Dizzy
Epi?
G-Man
Jack?
SVS
sig
Ted
Me

Ehh:
Colin
Dom
Drago
Mac
Radish
Michelle
A book
Sloonei
Sprit
Tranq

Baddish:
Jay
Juliets
Sabie
Speed
Turnip

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:08 pm Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:35 am Sloonei what do you think about Mac’s view of Jack//Radishes?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:25 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:18 am I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

this gives me tinglies

tell me about your tinglies, tony

I was on board to agree with you and Dom about it — I think Mac was going off little. But the weird mind meld in specifically this post seems to be hedging in a way that I don’t like.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:41 am I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:52 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:41 am I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

I’m not sure I follow.

Basically, the “they look like they’re hunting” argument falls apart.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:44 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:14 am This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:01 am I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

JJJ said no and Sloonei said inconclusive. I tend to lean inconclusive but I haven’t ISOed TexMex.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:58 pm There's also this to keep in mind:

The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

This role is a good reason to lynch Sig — finding the Harbinger is a good way to make town sad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:20 pm Kinda wanna vote Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

Would you look to pursue one of these day 4?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:11 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

lynch me and find out

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Real answer: because I don’t find the Sig flipped on Sabie randomly stuff to be that convincing for the main reason of — almost any town result that would lead to Sig making the claims he did against Mac would almost necessarily equally implicate Sabie. And if he’s scum, well he’s just scum.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:21 pm Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

G-Man does worse

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:44 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:40 am Day 4 I would have advocated hard for the lynch Sig plan. I did, to some extent, in our three person bubble. Today I think that we’re perhaps better off searching elsewhere — for two main reasons:
1) Three townies just died. With a missed Night 5 kill and then a likely Day 6 AM lynch (since the masters team knows who AM is, I think), we’re at 10v3 going into day 7 with no leads. With a good Night 5 kill, 11v2. I think we can pull off better than that with other options.
2) I don’t want this day to go nowhere.

I don't necessarily disagree with your strategic perspective. I'm lynching sig anyway to eliminate his role. I was referring to the idea underlying your vote for Turnip Head instead of [insert some other non-sig player here].

first option that came to mind. It’s not instinct, it’s a “this person has been talked about as possible scum”. No other reason. Instinct would be pointed at Sloonei still.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:51 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?

Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.

I look forward to our continuing tango.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:52 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:50 am

Spoiler: show

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

It was a slow day.

u n d e r s t a n d a b l e

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:32 pm Everything sig does today can only be viewed through the lens of wifom, if viewed at all. Does anyone care to analyze dat nanook vote?

memes

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 pm alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:20 am The argument is paranoid. There is a either widely townread or “writing a masters thesis” heavy hitter on the scum team. There has to be. Why? It feels like there has to be.

I agree that it feels like there has to be.
I think it’s Sloonei, not Jay, but that’s not the point.
I don’t think it’s rational by any means.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:23 am anecdotally, over half of all scum wins I’ve ever seen are “people who were almost on the chopping block and didn’t do much all game get barely not lynched” and much less than half are “scum masterminds run over town”. Almost all town wins are the former.
I’m still working through Jack and Jay’s alternatives today. But I see no reason outside of paranoia to accept Jack’s view that there must be mafia between JJJ, Sloonei, and Juliets and that scum must be on Sig etc even if I town read him and not Jay.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:31 pm I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:41 am So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

1) noting we missed the revive
2) it means likely that either the revivey person died and that was not revealed or, I think, that Dizzy was chosen. In either case, the anti-monitor poses no unique threat to the town by that means.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:22 am Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:41 pm I've read everything but Sloonei's latest novel. I am current other than that.

I really don’t expect everyone to read all that nonsense. The rainbow list at the end tells you what’s essential.

Sloonei, could you very honestly do a slight addendum where you analyze Sabie’s views on you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:08 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:52 pm I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

I think Sloonei’s 3P.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:09 am Look, I’m not willing to accept that Juliets and Sloonei are town because I’m already accepting Jack and Epi. And that’s a small group.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:08 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:06 am @juliets @TonyStarkPrime @G-Man I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

town:

tony
epi
Jack
Juliets
G-Man
Michelle

3p:
Sloonei

Master:
JJJ
Speed
Tranq

AM:
Ted

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:36 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:35 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:09 am There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq suspects Sloonei

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:23 pm I have one specific memory that sticks out to me when I think of Jay's handling of sig:

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:25 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:20 am I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

It warrants exploration. "Looks like a civilian at face value" is worth less in a game where everyone can legitimately hunt. I found his progression on Radish convoluted. sig go look at each of our reviews and say your piece

After we both dug into radishes and came up with negative looks on sig, I prodded Jay to talk about this new development. His response was pretty tame and by-the-script. Beep boop, as nutella would say.

Even though no one seems to care about my "Jay is the anti-monitor" theory.

The master team had to be pretty happy about it

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:00 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:38 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:32 pm If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

Mislynch bait — universal scumread in appearance, no clear teammates. But jjj/ speed seems very possible

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:50 am I’m so confused and I think I’m being tricked by people who aren’t Jay and Slooneo

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:51 am Okay you better believe I’m doing some reading tomorrow I refuse to rely on JJJ and Sloonei’s novels any more.

I think I said that yesterday and then didn’t successfully get Speed lynched.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:05 pm What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

none not one

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:47 pm but that wouldn't make sense, he's exposing himself

therefore
bomb

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:48 pm Sloonei choose a third

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:54 pm wait no. if he detonates then jay gets lynched no matter what. I'm not sure what this accomplishes in that case.

He pulls Jay.

Emerging concerns:

1) Goofy chumming around with the emoji contrasts their treatment of others. Their lynching history is meaningless.
2) Tony spent some time suspecting Sloonei over me and did nothing with it
3) Later he glued us together similarly to speedchuck and maintained the general idea that both high-posting analysts must somehow be connected

Can still be teamed.