The Syndicate

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thellama73 wrote:I was disappointed nobody used the Clock.

What did it do?

Oh never mind that was Dom in Game of Champions.

Long Con wrote:
Dom, Doctor Who wrote:Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Dom, Game of Champions wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

That's a problem.

Honestly, this is the second game on this site that has been absolutely DESTROYED because of info dumping and role outing. There's good in info dumping, but there's also, "hey i'm not bad and it rhymes with "prom".
Dom, I'm actually pretty surprised that you would call it BS that a baddie team would kill you for infodropping, when you're usually heavily on the other side of the argument.

I'm confused. That statement of Doms says the only person at endgame that didnt' out themselves was DH. But DH was not at endgame in this game. I was at endgame and was very careful not to drop any hints or clues as to who I was.

BR, btw you played a very good game in my opinion. I never once even thought twice about you, I was sure you were civ. It was so hard to accept in the end that you were bad. Great job!

who were the twins who gained bts?

Dom you so persevered that it put the doubt in my head about BR. Why is he asking that question? Why is he so sure Vompati doesn't have the items? etc. You turned my head and thats all it took along with SVS.

llama, i loved the game especially the newspaper part of it. I don't know why but every night I got excited to see the paper the next day. My role was fun, it was exciting up to the last moment and you were great at giving us those posts on time. I really thank you for that. I will gladly play future llama games, really enjoyed this one.

I hate that you didn't win S~V~S. You deserved every every bit of a win. It's not the same to me without you.

S~V~S wrote:Voting for BR feels like kicking a kitten

Yes, i agree.

I have thought this whole game, except for this last little bit where the overheard info came into play, that BR was good. And much like SVS I do not really want to vote for her but thats my emotional side and not my rational side. My emotional side didn't vote for Bullz and that was obviously wrong. So, today I'm placing my vote on BR and hoping I'm right. If I'm not, I'm very sorry.

*vote BR*

I see what you're saying about the game being unbalanced if there was recruit. I should just accept that twins thing is/was a red herring.

The first thing makes sense. Did they say the name of the recruit? I've wondered about a recruit ever since that info about someone being related (twins I think) came out.

i'm going to give it the night, sleep on it, and then I'll make up my mind. One thing is for sure though, if the two of you are going to vote BR then I will do the same. It feels like a flip the coin decision to me at the moment. I need to think a little more about that bts BR heard and like you SVS I wish Dom had left his full thoughts with us. If it is not BR then I think if I counted right there are enough people left to vote Vompatti and win even with the night kill. Am I seeing that correctly? I hope Canuck votes. Ok, I'm off to bed for now.

RIP Dom. I don't know if BR killed you or Vomps did to frame BR. I am sad though for your death.

S~V~S wrote:Night is 2 more hours, then we have day. Not make it in what way?

I was confused, thinking the lynch was today. Doing too many things at once. We have plenty of time for BR to come into the thread.

I'm getting nervous that BR isn't going to make it.

SVS where are you sitting today on this decision?

I saw BR on last night but she never posted. BR would you please tell us what item you have so we can find out whats on Doms mind?

I hope we hear from Dom, BR and Bass so it's not just you and I discussing it.

S~V~S wrote:I am thinking we SHOULD talk about it in the night. So ideas don't die with anyone. Someone is gonna die tonight, but if we talk it out before that, it won't have been in vain. Maybe it will be me, I will be OK with that. There is only one baddie left, the civs can pull it out of the bag.

But we need to be on top of it.

Ok, I see your point. I just cant talk about it right now. i have to make dinner.

S~V~S wrote:And then there was one

And it's the Millionaire. So that means we should talk about it before we vote if at all possible. Dom seems pretty sure on BR~ his reason seems related to items. The Millionaire has been doing the killing, so would be the one with the items. Coincidence?

Both Bullz & DF did the wide eyed, "Who Vomps? But Epi voted him to tie" deal. Unless that was an advance misdirection. It is something I have done myself in games, so it is a possibility. But the last time I recall Vomps blatantly saying stuff like, "RIP *insertdeadbaddienamehere* " was when he was bad. Or having linear conversations on topic. So I am confuzzled about what to do tomorrow.

He would be the one with the items yes, unless the stealers have been steadily stealing from him. I need to think about this because I can see Dom's point but also see the points about Vomps. I agree though we should talk about it before we do anything. Thinking though we shouldn't talk tonight about it but game day tomorrow after the NK has passed. I'm paranoid this late in the game.

Hooray! Well we were right on that one. RIP DFaraday you lasted a long time, good work. See you in the next game.

Dom, a question for you. Why do you think if a baddie has the items it has to be BR? Not DF or Vomps?

Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).
How are you feeling about BR?
I believe her that she only has 1 item. I think it's very probable that she didn't get something from the Eloh lynch. Do we know how the items are doled out? Like is it first as stolen to last stolen? Or best to worst? Maybe llama will answer this. It adds to my belief if it is best to worst as I got something basically worthless which would make it not hard to believe she got nothing.

I've thought a lot about the Bullz info and I think she got bad info. If she were bad she could have said f*** it, i think the info is wrong and jumped on the Bullz vote. But she didn't - she continued to believe the info and voted accordingly.

I just don't see her as bad.

llama: when doling out items to people who lynch a suspect, do you dole them out in the order they came to that person or do you judge the quality and dole them out best to worst?
Juuliets, then who has the items if BR does not?
I don't know Dom.
Do you think baddies or civvies are more likely to have a plethora of items?

That I don't know either though I don't have someone penciled in for one of the stealer roles on the civ side and then of course there are two missing baddies. I could have the roles penciled in wrong in which case I would say a baddie has them.

Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:
Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).
How are you feeling about BR?
I believe her that she only has 1 item. I think it's very probable that she didn't get something from the Eloh lynch. Do we know how the items are doled out? Like is it first as stolen to last stolen? Or best to worst? Maybe llama will answer this. It adds to my belief if it is best to worst as I got something basically worthless which would make it not hard to believe she got nothing.

I've thought a lot about the Bullz info and I think she got bad info. If she were bad she could have said f*** it, i think the info is wrong and jumped on the Bullz vote. But she didn't - she continued to believe the info and voted accordingly.

I just don't see her as bad.

llama: when doling out items to people who lynch a suspect, do you dole them out in the order they came to that person or do you judge the quality and dole them out best to worst?
Juuliets, then who has the items if BR does not?

I don't know Dom.

Ok thanks SVS

Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).
How are you feeling about BR?

I believe her that she only has 1 item. I think it's very probable that she didn't get something from the Eloh lynch. Do we know how the items are doled out? Like is it first as stolen to last stolen? Or best to worst? Maybe llama will answer this. It adds to my belief if it is best to worst as I got something basically worthless which would make it not hard to believe she got nothing.

I've thought a lot about the Bullz info and I think she got bad info. If she were bad she could have said f*** it, i think the info is wrong and jumped on the Bullz vote. But she didn't - she continued to believe the info and voted accordingly.

I just don't see her as bad.

llama: when doling out items to people who lynch a suspect, do you dole them out in the order they came to that person or do you judge the quality and dole them out best to worst?

I'm in agreement with the Faraday votes and will join them. He has to be bad or something is off on my spreadsheet (and I don't think anything is).

I'm also curious about the lying Dom. Can you share?

S~V~S wrote:OK, I was gonna wait for someone else to post, becasue I did not want to make 2,598 posts in a row, but my short list is Faraday & Vomps.Two baddies left, and that is who I think it is.

I either have civ roles in mind, or good BOTD reasons for everyone else.

Night Epi

Linki Thanks Splints~!

You took the words right out of my mouth - or right from my hands. I lined up everyone left and looked at who I don't have a role for and who I have penciled in civ roles for or have strong feelings of civviness. I'm left with Vomps and DFaraday as the baddies.

I missed the Q&A session but just for the record I have 1 item, that telegram I mentioned earlier.

I'm pretty sure he said he could vouch for her as opposed to he thinks she's civ. Dom maybe you could weigh in on this.

Yes, that frustration was definitely there. It could be because she is just barely skimming the thread because of her pre-lims and thus very uncertain who to vote. That's what I got out of her wanting to vote who you voted. But i do not know Canuck that well, haven't played with her that much.

I think I will probably vote DF today but I want to make sure I consider everyone who is on the might be bad list since there are so few of us left.

Yes SVS I think he was mistaken too. i still would have liked to have heard his case.

I'm down to very few people who could be bad. What do you think about Canuck? Dom vouches for her and I read Dom civ.

Dang rabbit, why did you get yourself killed and eaten! And you forgot to give us your case on Bass! Well, RIP and hope to see you in the next game. Gonna miss your influence.

SVS, Metalmarsh subbed in for A Person and then switched roles with Bass (or it could have been the other way around, A person switched roles with Bass and then Metalmarsh subbed in for A Person, it really doesn't matter which happened first).

It only makes sense that to switch roles you'd have to be of the same alignment, otherwise one of the two would know who a whole team of people were.

Metalmarsh died at night so he had to be a civ or a celestial. I don't think he was a celestial. So Bass, if he's the same alignment as MM has to be civ.

Something else happened in this time period sealed the deal for me. I can't tell you what without completely outting Bass.

Also, I'll go to Clarke St. as well.

Bullz vote for Vomps could have been to give Vomps civ credit or it could have been intended to make Bullz look civ since Vomps has been mentioned as potentially bad. Trouble is, I don't know how to get inside Bullz mind and figure out which it was. There are probably other possibilities as well. Vomps is on my potential baddie list but its really by process of elimination more than anything else.

rabbit8 wrote:Eloh was Waldo, could have stolen them got lynched. I got an amber necklace from her for voting first.

What you get Dom?

If the celestials don't have then likely the civvies don't either.

Then there was LC who was NKed.......

Get anything JC......

Waldo could have up to what 6 items.....

Rabbit8 (7), Dom (9), Long Con (10), Elohcin (11), juliets (12), Black Rock (13), Bullzeye (14), S~V~S (15), Bass_the_Clever (16), birdwithteeth11 (17)

Yes. I got an item that said it was a telegram from somebody to somebody (no names given) saying that the DNA results were in and two people were in fact twins (I wasn't clear on whether it was the two in the telegraph or two others). Then, this same info came out in the paper soon after. I have no clue how it pertains to this game and I guess no one else did either since there were not any comments when it aired in the paper.

I thought we all had Bass figured out as a civ what with the switch with MM and other things that happened during that period. Anything specific that changed your mind rabbit?

rabbit8 wrote:
juliets wrote:How unsportsmanlike.

I hate it that I was so naive about that info. But congratulations to all you who saw through it

Do you believe BR is a civvie?

I now have my doubts. Do you believe she is a baddie?

How unsportsmanlike.

I hate it that I was so naive about that info. But congratulations to all you who saw through it

It doesn't matter who I vote at this point but I really want to believe BR's info is true. I don't have DF penciled in to any role and I'm still suspicious of that night he didn't die unless someone can explain it to me in a way that he comes out civ. So I'll join BR in a DF vote.

Bullzeye wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.
Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.
Yeah. I've gotten angry at people. Just sat here raging away. Definitely haven't ever tried to defend myself. Nobody has ignored me or not even bothered to give me a chance. There is no possible reason why I should be even slightly unhappy about this bandwagon.

I said where I wanted to look. I invited people to explain the Vomp case or discuss DFaraday. I haven't had a chance yet to properly look at anyone. I'm very busy. Now I don't see why I should even bother when I'd need to convince literally everyone who hasn't voted. I don't see that happening. JC has already said she'd probably follow SVS, and I think at least one other person is going to follow you.

I said I was going to probably follow SVS beforeBR came forward with her information. I'm not sure what I'm going to do now. Others appear to be chalking the info up to bad info but I'm not ready to go with that yet.

Dom wrote:
juliets wrote:Dom, anything specific about BR that is causing you concern?
It's not that I'm suspicious of BR-- it's that it's throwing me off that she's against the Bullz suspicion.

Ok thanks. I can see why she would be off that suspicion due to the info she received.

Dom, anything specific about BR that is causing you concern?

I forgot about another way this info could be untrue. It could just be purposefully bad info that came to BR and she doesn't even know it's bad. She's just repeating to us what she's got. BR is there anything about the info that makes you believe it's true rather than being false?

Black Rock, Bullzeye which way are you looking for this lynch?

DFaraday same question to you?

Dom same to you?

Then maybe I won't vote bullz. I still have vompatti on my list of people I don't have a role for so it's possible I go that way unless someone has a good reason why not. I have a role penciled in for Dom so I had no intention voting there. Thanks BR, that is a good piece of info. [note: I have considered that BR is bad and made this up to save her teammate bullz but I just don't think thats the case.]

Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.

Black Rock, does your info leave you with a solid idea who you might vote for today?

SVS why would you even think of self voting!? And I will probably follow you two in your vote.

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