The Syndicate

Dom! You killed me! Or maybe Timmer did instead. Timmer, why me? I was so bummed to be out so early. But I forgive you because of that massive upset you scored in Tranq's game.

I would like to know why the Residents killed me so early. I had just replaced in and was no threat - I didn't even have a handle on the game yet. MP great game!

goodbye peeps - fun game, hope you all enjoy, wish I didn't die so soon.

DharmaHelper wrote:AceofSpaces
birdwithteeth11
DisgruntledPorcupine
Epignosis
juliets -- replaced Benthayer15 - Night 3


All have the potential of being Herman The Planet Smasher based on my research. Which I will not get into because you all seem to hate research.

Point being, if Herman is blocked tonight, statistically speaking Epignosis is probably Herman

Well, I don't hate research and like you, am accustomed to an explanation when I'm brought up as suspicious. What is it that causes you to throw my name out as potentially being Herman?

DharmaHelper wrote:I really think Droopy has been recruited.

Yeah that's why I was asking if MP ever had rezzed recruits in his games. Sounds like he's had about everything.

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

reywaS wrote:

juliets wrote:I've looked in the portalscope through all 4 portals and agree number 2 looks the best. Should I provide any more info about each portal or do you guys think that will help baddie?

I'd like to know more, but if you think giving up any more info on the portals would benefit the baddies and shouldn't be told then I understand.

Pretty much this. Having looked through it myself, I would recommend we not openly discuss what each one reveals as it could help the baddies.

I'm also going to trust Juliets on this one. I think she has the right idea.

Uh-uh. If Portal 2 looks the "best," then it's probably "The One that Doesn't Belong" and I refuse to vote for it, given our host.

I've not said anything today because I've spent it working on my first Mafia experience. Please check it out: viewtopic.php?f=7&p=4324#p3116

I thought about that - like, is it too good to be true - but there was no way I could see to distinguish which of the other three would be "good". Others who look may feel differently of course and vote differently.

I've looked in the portalscope through all 4 portals and agree number 2 looks the best. Should I provide any more info about each portal or do you guys think that will help baddie?

Well damn, I should have followed my first gut on FH and not rethought it. FH RIP and I'll miss you as we play.

Well, I don't want my vote to be a wasted vote for CBK and FH wanting to vote for chaindeath (even though it was earl)y have changed my mind from what I thought about FH earlie,r so I'm going to vote for her this round.
*votes FH*

Sorry for the double post but i just thought of something. In his other games did MP ever rezz someone as a baddie recruit?

I still have my suspicion of CBK/Timmer. Some of the things about FH ping me but I'm going to have to think about which of these two deserves my vote more than the other.

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:Wow a lot of things sure do happen here at night in this game.

Illy welcome back, I wasn't here when you left I subbed in for someone whose name started with Ben...And I also hope you are good cause i voted for you.

Kate, Kate, Kate. I had good feelings about you though I can never know for sure or at least until the game ends. :cryingsmilieplease:

Trice, I don't know what to think about your death. RIPIYWG. It almost seemed like Illy's rezz took your life. Dunno though.

Boomslang I don't know whether its good or bad you dodged death

Welcome back accidentally frozen rabbit.

Why do you think Illys rezz took Trices life, but not Kates?

Because of the way it's worded: " No sooner than Illyria's miraculous return to life did triceratopzeuhl drop to the floor, instantly dead, the life literally sucked out of him." I'm not saying anything about affiliation, just that it looks like that's what happened. Also, I could be wrong.

Wow a lot of things sure do happen here at night in this game.

Illy welcome back, I wasn't here when you left I subbed in for someone whose name started with Ben...And I also hope you are good cause i voted for you.

Kate, Kate, Kate. I had good feelings about you though I can never know for sure or at least until the game ends. :cryingsmilieplease:

Trice, I don't know what to think about your death. RIPIYWG. It almost seemed like Illy's rezz took your life. Dunno though.

Boomslang I don't know whether its good or bad you dodged death

Welcome back accidentally frozen rabbit.

I'm going to vote Illy on the basis of the discussion earlier today about her level of involvement and because I think with chaindeaths vote she was not a resident.

Kate wrote:

juliets wrote:

Kate wrote:Illy seemed civ to me and she was participating, but she did say she was suspicious of Bea but then didn't vote her.

Yes, I was just reading that. She did vote chaindeath instead however and it looks like he was on the same team. I just ran through her posts and didn't see anything that knocked her out. Maybe someone else could take a look too.

Ah, this is a good point. I think we can eliminate her as being a resident then, yes?

Yes, I think we can.

Kate wrote:Illy seemed civ to me and she was participating, but she did say she was suspicious of Bea but then didn't vote her.

Yes, I was just reading that. She did vote chaindeath instead however and it looks like he was on the same team. I just ran through her posts and didn't see anything that knocked her out. Maybe someone else could take a look too.

I'm going to scroll through her posts

Did we throw out Illyria somewhere along the way? I just bring her up because she participated a lot. Faraday is pretty quiet, but I can see giving someone who got killed on night 1 another chance.

Question re: the rezz - does anyone know what kind of player Devin is? I mean, does he participate a lot or is he likely to be quiet?

Kate wrote:

Dom wrote:that vote order would mean that it would either be a tie between timmer and dh or dh would be lynched, if that's correct. :P

How the hell did LT end up being lynched? I'm not unhappy about her lynch, I'm just confused on how it happened.

Is anyone considering that someone may have had a lynch switch?

Yes I am. My other thought is vote manipulation but I don't know if MP uses that mechanic (I don't recall seeing it in any of the roles though it may be a secret).

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Going to go to bed, but before I do I just want to say that my methods may seem whacked out but, obviously, they work.

Luckily =/= obviously.

Is now a good time to remind you DH about how you unmercifully attacked me in West Wing for the whole game even though i was a civv?

Great outcome, not what I expected so one more time I have to read the roles. See you later LT and bih Grey 1.

Ok, before this gets any more confusing for me I'm going to vote. It seems that SVS is vouching for Trice and Trice is vouching for FH, plus I don't have a strong suspicion of FH. Right now I'm seeing civ SVS and that's reinforced by what Kate is saying (I dont trust my read on SVS alone because i find her hard to read). On LT, I need to think about that some more. I've seen much much worse reactions from her when she's bad - her reaction here just made kind of a blip on my screen. I'm not convinced on INH. So where I land is where I really didn't want to land - back on CBK based on her voting position for rabbit. It breaks my heart to vote for Timmer on his first day but I'm not supposed to have a heart in mafia so that is where my vote is going tonight.
*votes Timmer*


tons of linki

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Also does no one care that JC asked DP if he knew why he was silenced today?


While he was silenced.

No evidently I asked him how he survived while he was silenced. I didn't even realize he was silenced! If someone mentioned it I didn't see it.

I'm all CONFUSED! It was in the post for god's sake. I don't know what I was thinking.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also does no one care that JC asked DP if he knew why he was silenced today?


While he was silenced.

No evidently I asked him how he survived while he was silenced. I didn't even realize he was silenced! If someone mentioned it I didn't see it.

Dom wrote:Who is Rob?

Dom, I had to ask the same thing. It is Epignosis.

@Kate - i think my longer post boils down to the same thing you said. For once I have too many suspects.

Maybe I'm gullible but I believe FH's defense. She could have always held back that civv knowledge making her less suspicious but I think it was the right thing to do to reveal it. I know that she might not have been the original Ziltoid target (at least I think the analysis showed that, I got a little confused) but if I start believing that about every night kill it's going to cut out any analysis I can make using a night kill. It probably won't be until later in the game when we can say, wait a minute that doesn't make sense as an NK (if we're ever able to do that). If something else definitive happens during the day today implicating FH I may change my mind but right now, thats the way I see it. Also FH, I'm curious as hell about rabbit and how he got frozen and what does it mean. I just don't see any way of getting to that answer without more information.

I'm still waiting to hear from BWT. I'm still suspicious about his naming his sources wrong. And I too am suspicious of the trice sentence though to a lesser extent. Finally, I was suspicious of CBK before Timmer joined and I guess the only reason I'm hesitant there is I want to give Timmer a chance, though its really a vote order issue that makes him look guilty. So in other words I am thinking with my heart instead of my head.

DH, I just want to make sure that you are saying your LT suspicion outweighs your INH suspicion and your rabbit suspicion. I did pay attention when you said before that you'd rather vote LT than INH, I guess it looks like to me you have more on INH. If you can add anything to what you've already said great. If not, don't give me a snarky answer that I don't pay attention to you just ignore this post. I'm exploring whether i can support you.

reywaS wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Maybe it is strange. Maybe he is lying about prizes, maybe he is hoarding prizes in a closet. That does not change the fact though that he somehow won a book and revealed a baddie secret, and she did not

So it is an interesting sidelight, and I hope he comes in and clears it up. But it does not make me less suspicious of FH.

I'm not trying to lessen any suspicion on FH. I agree with it.

I'm just as suspicious of FH but i think the bwt thing is important on its own. Why would he win something and the #2 person didn't? It doesn't seem like he mispoke because he clarified in the thread. Until bwt explains it or MP does, I will be suspicious there as well as FH.

I really really don't understand why people are telling about their prizes. What am I missing?

DharmaHelper wrote:@FH I wasn't implying anything.

@Everyone else, I was muy mad yesterday, I'm less mad today. But again, it is what it is. Try to help and all of a sudden depending on who you ask I'm either stupid "Better than this"(aka stupid) or implying a conspiracy.

I don't think you're stupid DH, and i think the only thing you're implying is that people voted together and that may be baddie behavior. The only thing I question is whether baddies would really vote together.

Also, while I'm thinking about it, SVS: I did not mean to trout slap you. I thought maybe i didn't understand what you were saying, but I did NOT mean for my comment to come off as a slap. I'm sorry if it did.

Epignosis wrote:I am more interested in the night posts than the lynch votes, to be honest. I mean, wouldn't an experienced group of evil people deliberately NOT vote in unison?

This ^. I don't understand why we would presume that members of a team would vote all together. It seems like they would take great pains to vote apart from each other. I'll keep the data in mind as there may be something there with a few players but I don't see it dictating how I vote.

Interesting observations about FH. I'll re-read her today as well and I really need to find a way to completely get my arms around these roles to determine things like is there a baddie who survives multiple night kill attempts.

It's also interesting that a civv wants to shut DP up, and the Residents want to kill him. I guess in addition to re-reading FH's posts I'll be re-reading DP's posts to see what that could be about. DP, do you know how you survived?

I didn't see the post! RIPIYWG chain, I will miss your posts. I have to think about the rest of this.

Timmer hello and welcome!

S~V~S wrote:I did in 70s and in Enchanted Forest. I made up statistics, a,ll kkindsa crazy crap, lol. I also did something similar to Tranq & Typh on the first ACTA, making up ratios of post to content, lol.

Maybe not to this extent, but that is what it looks like nevertheless~

I am inclined to trust, and if he's wrong we'll kill him. Civ or bad, I can't see him going to this length unless he's pretty sure.

SVS, when you say pretty sure, pretty sure about what? INH isn't in this data that I can see.

FH, your case was very good and I see those same issues when looking at her posts. The fact that she only talks about SVS and then votes for rabbit is really odd but i can see someone doing that to "stick" to a vote they made before that was a save vote.

Reywas, I have to think a little more on DH. DH is making me feel a little weird but I think it's because of his tone, the kind of know-it-all tone, than anything else. That tone though is how DH posts in games where he's civv and games where he's bad so I can't say that I find him suspicious without something else. I re-read his posts yesterday but in the context of his INH suspicion so I'll look again at his posts today (game day) to see if anything hits me.

Dom wrote:CBK was a Rabbit voter right?

Yes. Check out FH's post above. CBK was the 6th rabbit voter which makes it look like she was trying to save bea, a baddie that they voted out that day. (I say they because I'm also a replacement and wasn't in the game then.)

Kate wrote:Based on this alone, FH, I would say CBK is the most deserving of a reread.

I agree.

I forgot to say Welcome Dom!

Well that result sucks. RIP Vomps.
I had no second choice so I'm going to really have to do some work to figure out my next suspicion.

The Truth wrote:He's an experimental writer in actuality, so I'm thinking he might just be being experimental with even his mafia posts. But I hope he isn't that pretentious. *stern smile*

Lol! Thank you The Truth!

The Truth wrote:Vomps definitely looks the most suspicious but I can't tell whether he's just trying to be experimental or not.

I think he's a safe lynch though...

What does it mean to "be experimental"? Do you mean he might be experimenting with different ways to behave or is it an analogy to experimental music that I don't understand? Not arguing with the idea, just trying to understand it.

This ^^ (reyrey's statement before the vote). Plus, it's also not accurate to say that people joined the "coming up with my own suspicions is too much hard work so lets all vote for the same exact person every time". I voiced my suspicions of Vomps before I was even totally caught up in the thread and this is my first vote.

Vompatii, I just don't see anyone else I suspect as much as I do you. Maybe you've got a point about Boats, I don't know, but if you do it's important to post all the information that leads you to suspect him so others can see if they agree. I'm sorry if you're good. *voting Vomps*

Vompatti wrote:

juliets wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I feel like I should inform in advance I will NOT be voting for rabbit8 this time.

Vompatti who do you suspect this time?

BoatsBoatsBoats seems to try to play it safe by pretending to be convinced that I'm a baddie.

Interesting. What makes you think he's pretending?

Vompatti wrote:I feel like I should inform in advance I will NOT be voting for rabbit8 this time.

Vompatti who do you suspect this time?

I clicked on "View Results" but all I can see is that 2 people voted for Vompatii. I can't see who voted.

I'm trying to figure out this poll. What do I click on to see who has voted and for whom they voted.

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm getting the feeling mob mentality has pretty well decided this lynch already, which considering the track record of the mob votes is pretty unnerving.

But whatever, I'm sure eventually someone somewhere will read one of my posts and be all "You know what, maybe all this pitchforks and torches crap isn't so cool after all"

Even though Vompatti is the one who stood out to me I'm still open regarding who to vote for. I intend to re-read you and INH later today.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
It doesn't matter how many ways there are for things to be redirected in your opinion, the fact of the matter is there was no indication it got redirected. I understand that when a handful of newer mafia players call you out on it, you can bully them to drop it and get your teammates to call it "civ svs," but I still don't think you actually have a bridge for sale

Tricer, that word "bully" is pretty serious. Can you point out some specific posts that you see as bullying people so I can get a feel for what you mean?