The Syndicate

kneel4justice wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

I really do not like this vote. I am not sure I trust Hedgie but this vote is way to fast and without real effort.

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:back in the day, no one sent in their PMs until the very end of the night, and it was considered a baddie move to call people out at night. It was more likely to get the innocent NKed. Perhaps that is why at some forums they do not talk at night at all.

I am old school that way i guess.

No one talked at night because that is part of the rules in the original Mafia party game. Mafia would acknowledge one another by gestures rather than words. There was no "BTSC" in original Mafia either, but we have it now.

How did the first game of mafia get started.

It's believed to be a psychological party game invented by Dmitry Davidnoff in the 1980s:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... a_Davidoff

I've actually played Mafia in person. You sit in a circle and people have to close their eyes at Night. Mafia acknowledge one another and gesture at whom to kill. During the Day, everyone talks. So on and so forth.

Hedgeowl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Really? You think the SK would be so obvious? I would think it wouldnt be a smart move to kill someone who directly suspects you, especially for that role. Lizzy certainly has her own style, but she's a damn fine baddie/indie usually. Your encouraging others to vote for Lizzy on this basis makes me you for the first time Boomer.

Personally, I have seen people kill their biggest accuser and take the WIFOM route, hell I have done it myself~ becasue then someone is bound to say something just like you just did. You have to weigh the odds of whether or not the person would do such a thing on a person by person basis. There are quite a few people playing this game that would be capable of such a move. Is Lizzy one? I really don't know. But I find your reaction to someone bringing up a valid point just as suspect, if not more so, than the point he made.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Waht?!



You had me fooled, MP, in two games most likely.

I'll probably die tonight(s), so let's lynch an SVS or Devin tomorrow. Maybe Dom or LouLou too.

Waht? Splain plz

You're totally right that it's a move people would try to do. Booms further explained that Lizzy was one of many FZ suspects, maybe 6? Which I would have learned if I kept reading before posting. It just felt too blatant for Lizzy herself, but it appears Boom has not played with her much. Is this correct Boom? Your later statements made it sound like you are not familiar with her game (not that any of us can really claim to know the true "Lizzy")

I am trying to decide where to go from this last lynch. Obviously, a starting place is voters looking to "save" MP, myself included. Frankly, of the group of TH, Epi, K4j, Hedge, MP, and CBK the only person I was suspicious of was Epi and possibly K4J. The MP lynch illustrates the problem I was trying to get out by targeting top posters perfectly. The longer you spend in thread with someone, the more you can begin to trust them. The more time I spent reading MP's thoughts and his back and forth with K4J the more I trusted both of them. So this leave me in a bit of conundrum. I think of review of all of us and voting histories will be helpful, but honestly I think since MP had so many votes early on that at most one of his teammates voted WOG and the others probably voted other places. He worked very hard in thread to get enough votes on one candidate. So at this point I plan a reread of those folks as a starting place, but dont want to have tunnel vision there either.

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote: As I've posted before, the other behavior consisted of being really blendy (in a self-conscious, self-deprecating style) and dropping hints about being indie. For example:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 723#p44723 "I'll try to fly under radar and hope no-one takes notice."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 432#p45432 "Why did you randomize?" "Because I can."

And most interestingly to me,

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 436#p45436 "Poor indies, no-one gives a toss about them."

Followed by http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 539#p46539 "I believe FZ was a player offed by an indie SK. That being said she seemed fairly civ-ish to me."

I feel that there's likely more to that winky-face than meets the eye.

The only things I have noticed about Lizzy are:
1. She was the first to vote for Mongoose and I do not recall prior discussion (could be wrong)
2. Her post today that she said she is very bad and encourages people to vote for her. It's strange to me, I'm not sure what the purpose of it is.

As for the winking face, I thought it was just teasing because the story clearly stated that she was killed by Triple H. As a SK, why would she bother with a double meaning behind that? It would be suicidal. Also I tend to agree with the idea that she would not miss out on kills, I don't think she'd plan that as an excuse and hold off on kills before this past night. Perhaps she was blocked or something though.

As for the other types of strange comments I feel like that is just in her personality/way she plays the game. Have you played with her before? If so has she not acted like this before?

kneel4justice wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Well, FZ threw out maybe five or six names as suspicious before getting killed. That provides a lot of cover; the names were "SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou," so Lizzy could justifiably claim that the kill came from one of five other sources. It's her other behavior that pushed me to vote her over these candidates.

How did I miss all of this? I saw Lizzy's posts regarding the SK but not yours.
What would you classify as "other behavior", it seems like people over here do not explain as much as I am used to. Then again, maybe I missed it..

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Further post review shows that Lizzy was definitely under suspicion by FZ before the NK, which only heightens my suspicions. I believe I will throw my vote that way, and I encourage others to do the same.

Do you really think the SK would be that obvious?

That said, I actually think the fact that Lizzy randomized in the other game but then went out of her way to justify her Mongoose vote here says SOMETHING, I'm just not completely sure what.

Dom wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Interesting choice of words, Boomslang.

*votes SVS*
I never planned on or said I planned on voting Epig while he was insanified.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Nice avatar, Boomslang!

Very interesting interpretation of the two kills. I wasn't sure how I felt about the Vomps kill, but maybe you're right. There were more than a few players who were feeling aggravated at Vomps but who didn't vote for him; do you think they would have been so brave as to kill him or do you think this is a chaos move?

FZ kill -- I agree there. In fact, I'll look at her list post again, see what she had to say. I do remember some of it, but it wouldn't hurt to re-read.

What are you thinking regarding suspects today? Did you see anything of note in my Dom or Lou in my recap posts or any of the other points I made?

Russtifinko wrote:Wow! I'm surprised I got lynched for that. Should have not bothered taking 4 hours out of my day to come up with valuable input when I could have just enjoyed time here and kept playing the busy card....

Oh well. Fun playing with you all, and meeting the new players! Merry Christmas!

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

Am I?

Bullzeye wrote:

Loulou26 wrote:
Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

We don't know for sure. That's basically why we don't reveal NK'd players roles, to keep the mystery. The only thing we can say with some certainty is that she probably wasn't an Arrogant Heel unless there's someone I've forgotten about who can switch targets.

Writing an essay and playing mafia at the same time means I keep feeling a need to put citations in my posts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

So if you don't remember if you're a baddie or not, how can you send in your PMs? Does this mean you don't have a role that sends in a power? Or are you missing your PM's?

Civvies send PMs too.

he's not wrong though

Yes, but he did say he doesn't remember if he's a baddie or not -- so how could he know what to send in for PMs if he doesn't know his role?

Though... it is Vomps. Maybe he knows his power but not his alignment -- or maybe he just randomly selects a username each time. Lol. Wouldn't be surprised.

What are your thoughts on everything right now, AP? You had some good things to say earlier, but I haven't seen much from you in a while other than your self-votes.

Vompatti wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Vompatti wrote:I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

So if you don't remember if you're a baddie or not, how can you send in your PMs? Does this mean you don't have a role that sends in a power? Or are you missing your PM's?

Civvies send PMs too.

Epignosis wrote:But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

kneel4justice wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

Interesting. A unshared of people Tribunal of Judgment Maligna.

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Whoa, good catch, Boomslang. I'm glad I switched to Llama then, just to be safe. I feel like I can read him better than BWT anyway.

Quote aside, Boomslang is in this game, and thellama73 is not. Boomslang is not in the side game. Why would you be talking to Boomslang about thellama73?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Excluding secrets being involved, this is what Matt/AP could be:

1) He is John Cena, and survived the first attempt on his life.

2) He's Shawn Michaels and stopped his own lynch.

3) He's Rey Mysterio and can't be lynched at all yet.

4) He is Edge, making him the ringleader for one of the baddie teams.

5) He is Triple H and survived the first attempt on his life.

Given that 4 of those are civ roles and 2 are bad, I would be inclined to believe that AP/Matt is good for now.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Mongoose wrote:If we lynch any, I promise not to look them in the mouth!

And yes, I agree that a civ lynch has less impact on the game. The chances are SO high we will lynch a civ on Day 1 (I mean so, so high. 80%?) that I feel like a no-lynch is a nice respite. A chance to take a deep breath before being plunged in to icy cold water again for another day of The Tumble Cycle. (I wish I could narrate this for you).

We get one more day to get our bearings. Cause then if we do lynch a baddie on Day 2, we have enough info for the intel we gained from it to actually be meaningful and helpful.

Well, just for clarification, the odds of a civ lynch are (18/30)*100%, or 60%. If you include the independents, the chances go up to 70%, but as the role descriptions lead me to believe that at least two indies are last man standing roles, I don't think that's accurate. So it's not quite as hopeless!

Oooh, math'd! Thanks, that was cool, Boomslang. I'm visual, so it helped to see that.

Does anyone else think this sounded a little too....helpful?

A Person wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Stuff happens. Like when I randomize myself.

The gods of random are not to be trifled with.

Mongoose wrote:If we lynch any, I promise not to look them in the mouth!

And yes, I agree that a civ lynch has less impact on the game. The chances are SO high we will lynch a civ on Day 1 (I mean so, so high. 80%?) that I feel like a no-lynch is a nice respite. A chance to take a deep breath before being plunged in to icy cold water again for another day of The Tumble Cycle. (I wish I could narrate this for you).

We get one more day to get our bearings. Cause then if we do lynch a baddie on Day 2, we have enough info for the intel we gained from it to actually be meaningful and helpful.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm sorry- your comment about finding a bad guy day one is just absurd. When you find a bad guy day 1, that is time for rejoicing. You get information AND you net a kill. That remark makes no sense to me.

I never said it was bad, per se. Just that there is a big upside to not having a lynch at all. IT's not that I was saying there was a brightside to a civ lynch, but the upside. I think the information from a baddie lynch on day 1 can be somewhat dubious. It's really easy to lose focus.

Has no one else in this entire game seen a Day 1 Baddie Lynch turn the game into a temporary tempest / poopstorm/clusterhump that would like to sit on the couch and share the experience.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I have yet to get my gif on, so I'ma just leave this here: