The Syndicate

FZ. wrote:So, I need to go soon. I really have no reason to not vote Boomslang, except that I don't really feel that suspicious. I can't go back and read him now, but I know that earlier in the game, I felt good about him.

Um... why are you voting me then? If ya ain't suspicious, and ya felt good earlier... I'm not bad, and Epi has been playing you all for damn fools this whole game. Revenge me if/when I flip, yo. *votes Epi*

Also, I think it's worth looking at Glorf's "town" reads, considering he just died to civilians. If he was bad, I bet he was hiding one of his teammates in the town list.

Epignosis
Kneel4justice
Matt
Typhoony

Would you look at that? Epignosis... Although Tyhpoony seems to have been slipping under the radar and could be worth further examination.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Typhoony wrote:What would the baddie motive in faking it twice though?

Thank you, Mr. Marmot. I'll stop tunneling on Epi when we actually lynch him.

This nonsense needs to end. And by nonsense, I mean both Pikmin deaths and Epi's rambling stories... so glad I skipped to the end of that one. *votes Epi again* I'm going to be a little distracted the rest of the weekend due to personal reasons, so please forgive me for not looking harder. But I don't think anything happened that would have changed my mind regarding the guilt of that one.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Think he may have a post restriction of sorts.

He didn't show any signs at the start of Day 3.

He is showing signs now though.

Or that's what he wants you to think. I can't make hide nor tail out of his pattern. It's not stories, it's not using words from previous posts underlined... what else could it be?

Spacedaisy wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Ok. Let's give everyone one vote and reveal the Burrowing Snagret!

Let me be clear Snarky McSnarkerson, I voted Matt because I believe him to be bad and I won't be bullied out of it because you want a more condensed vote.

I like this gumption, Daisy. Same moral fortitude as the people who vote for third-party candidates in the presidential race :P

Linki w/Luffy: He only did it with the "help" and the Simon commentary. IDK what that's about.

Epignosis wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Hey, what do you think of Dr. Wilgy?

DrWilgy's great. He helped me out so much. I was once involved in a bad fire that scorched my eyelids, and my eyelids had to be amputated. Worried that I wouldn't be able to blink, DrWilgy assured me that he would simply take skin from my genitals and provide me with eyelids. The procedure was a success! The only problem is I'm now a little cockeyed.

I didn't know we were playing with Vompatti all of a sudden... Although I will admit, I laughed far too much at that one.

There was an unspoken corollary to my last post, Epi: don't answer, and you get a vote. *Votes Epi* Subject to change if you actually start addressing queries instead of playing linguistic pinball.

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

Quit dodging questions, which seems to be a pattern for you (cf. earlier refusal to answer "are you Mafia" and "are you a boss"). What about my previous post strikes you as worthy?

Quit dodging questions? Did I dodge the questions or did I answer them? I'd like an answer to that, and if you think I dodged them, HOW did I dodge them?

You dodged my question. If there are a time when you are falsely confused?

This is clearly not a productive interchange. Are there times when I am falsely confused? Sure, feigning ignorance is something I do on occasion for effect. But not at this juncture.

Previously, you dodge the question of "Are you Mafia?" by reframing it in the terms of the game (bosses). You dodged the question of "are you a boss" by posting a picture of what appears to be a 19th century political boss.

Most recently, you dodged the question that follows: "What about my post regarding the Day 0 poll struck you as suspicious?"
Answer that, and we're getting somewhere.

Epignosis wrote:

Boomslang wrote:What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Honestly confused?

Is there a time when you are falsely confused?

Quit dodging questions, which seems to be a pattern for you (cf. earlier refusal to answer "are you Mafia" and "are you a boss"). What about my previous post strikes you as worthy?

What? Epi, you just said you believed a Rock Pikmin to have been targeted last night. Or are you reacting to something else? I'm honestly confused.

Epignosis wrote:I only recommend a Simon lynch at this point if you all interpret his "I think so" to mean "I don't remember who is on my team."

For my part, I'm going to start sniffing elsewhere. Someone tried to kill two of us and only nabbed one. I recommend we look at that beautiful Day 0 poll again.

What exactly do you hope to gain from the Day 0 poll? I doubt anyone listed his or her favorite Pikmin as the one he or she actually was. Which, now that I think about it, would suggest neither you nor Luffy were Rock Pikmin, and thus slightly more likely to be bosses because we're pretty sure a Rock was targeted last night.

Matt wrote: Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!

Ok, that's a gross misinterpretation. Actual quote:

Boomslang wrote: I'm gonna tie this up based on the backpedaling of sig, which strikes me as a really bad move, and because I don't think Simon deserves the lynch quite yet.

No ellipsis, and the word "deserves" is meant to suggest I don't think there's sufficient evidence to make that lynch call. In other news, I share Spacedaisy's confusion as to why you think lynching Simon will clue us in to Glorf.

Linki w/Epi: See MM's discussion of your post "Weakest Day 1 I've ever seen. Get your heads out of your underwear." In summary, you played a not insignificant role in Day 1, and instead of owning your mistake you assigned generalized blame to the rest of the playerbase. And ok, "astounding" is probably a bit rhetorical of a flourish, but your own rhetorical turn of disowning the Zebra lynch seems clear-cut to me.

Also, RIP Dalton Steelers are all FEBs, every last one of them.

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:b) If he is bad and lynched later in the game, I'm someone his teamies (or townies even) can say "Hey look Epi didn't have any interaction with Matt whatsoever"

It amazes me how your mind works. Here's a list of people I don't have any on-topic interactions with:

agleaminranks
Boomslang
Enrique
Glorfindel
kneel4justice
Matt
Soneji

Not for lack of trying. While I suppose I didn't call you out directly, I did mention you:

Boomslang wrote:@MM: Some good points. The distancing Epi performs after the lynch result is pretty astounding, especially given his vote changes, especially especially given that he did that vote change out of necessity.

However, I'm curious what you think about the timing of the sig-Epi interactions. Especially the leap sig makes from "lynching Zebra is a waster of time" to "a Zebra lynch is good too" in the span of roughly 30 minutes.

I'm gonna tie this up based on the backpedaling of sig, which strikes me as a really bad move, and because I don't think Simon deserves the lynch quite yet. *votes sig*

@MM: Some good points. The distancing Epi performs after the lynch result is pretty astounding, especially given his vote changes, especially especially given that he did that vote change out of necessity.

However, I'm curious what you think about the timing of the sig-Epi interactions. Especially the leap sig makes from "lynching Zebra is a waster of time" to "a Zebra lynch is good too" in the span of roughly 30 minutes.

Dr. Wilgy wrote:I got an excersize for everyone to partake in. If I were a protagonist, I would currently have _____

First of all, it's "exercise." Second of all, "If I were a protagonist, I would currently have a yellow Pikmin. Little guys are INVINCIBLE! (to electric hazards, and I'm in a Star Wars frame of mind so that seems the deadliest threat right now).

Kind of surprised no one took me up on looking at Sorsha, but oh well. Let the record also state that she hasn't checked in recently.

Of everything to emerge from the day's discussions, I was pinged most by this:

sig wrote:You're just mad I tricked you in Wild West game, ifyou aren't mad about it your carrying your suspicion to a paranoia level of fear. If anything is an indicator of my alignment it is the fact in WW I wasn't suspected by anyone, I slipped under the radar. Unlike this game I'm right in the middle of it.

Sig shrugs off a couple of Glorfindel's points by claiming they're based on raw emotion and meta. He doesn't address the sniping at Zebra, for example, and his response to the "conspiracy theory" claim is tangential at best.

FZ. wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:Yay, no death!

Yes, K4J that is good news but let it not blind you to what happened here at the end of the last Day phase. Through a combination of human error and malicious intent we lost an experienced campaigner and a highly capable player in Zebs She was a massive asset to our team and I expect her demise brought much rejoicing to our opponents I don't want us to forget the magnitude of the loss we suffered there lest we make the same mistake again.

That's all you have to say? Yes, it was a mistake to lynch zebra. It's a shame. I hate lynching a civ, especially of the zebra type (though I didn't see her as herself this game), but we do it every game. Why don't you please tell us who you think had malicious intent instead of saying obvious things like what you've stated above.

True facts. MIstakes were made (and in fact I joined in on the making of this one), but this kind of grandstanding is very white-knight-ish. Especially, as FZ points out, when you ascribe malicious intent to the lynch without giving a specific case for it. My gut on this is you attempting to establish civ cred through over-the-top rhetoric.

Epi's list has encouraged me to take a closer look at Sorsha.

Sorsha wrote:I feel like Epignosis is trying to set sig up for lynch because he knows how bad sig can make himself look. Anyone who played Dune or A World Apart knows how easily sig can get caught up defending and make everything worse for himself.

Voting Epi

Defending sig based on previous games, not current behavior. She then leaves a vote on Epi, which is the first interaction between the two.

Sorsha wrote:Ah yes, you were scum in Dune, I forgot. I just remembered you being in a similar situation in both games at the same. Maybe epi thinks that since he hosted you during one of those scenarios that he can read your reactions better? I still think it's an easy set upihim makes me suspicious of him.

But she doesn't have his alignment in Dune correct, and just kind of brushes that off. That sig takes the time to make that correction makes me feel pretty good about him, incidentally.

Sorsha wrote:I still think epi was trying to get sig into over defensive mode, knowing how sig reacts to suspicion on him. This is from someone who said in A World Apart that if anyone can dig his own grave, sig can dig two. I might change my vote to someone else, zebra and Scotty both jumped on Epi's sig suspicion quickly and then changed votes when it got some push back. I might vote for one of them.

Still focusing on the previous game thing. Finally does make reference to actions in the current game, although as we found out, the Zebra suspicion was incorrect. Obviously not too big a deal at this point, but worth noting.

Dr. Wilgy votes for her, she asks why, and he responds with the . Not quite sure what to make of that.

Sorsha wrote:Someone doesn't like the letter S.

And, no, I'm not mafia.

S is for Scum! But responding a little flippantly to a surface similarity here.

Whew, finished my skim/catchup, and just in the nick of time. I think the obvious interaction of Simon and Sig suggests that they're not mafia teammates; the link is too obvious, and I'm not going to get into the WIFOM game this early. That makes me suspicious of Epi for pushing the point so hard, but I can't be certain so early.

Zebra, on the other hand, feels really desperate, and I don't like the bit about postponing lynches one feels strongly about in order to get more information. I'm also suspicious of Sorsha for relying so heavily on meta information of past behaviors. I'll keep an eye on the latter and a vote on the former. *votes Zebra*

Apologies for being gone all of today; it was my family's Christmas decorating session, which took up a lot of my time. I'm reading through now, thoughts/vote to come shortly. Because it kind of has to :/

Voting Blue; those guys always look so perplexed it's adorable.

Also, this victory music, heard countless times as my brother and I battled in Pikmin 2, is the main reason I'm playing this game.