The Syndicate

Some of yall are about as subtle as a brick to the face.

Well that is certainly something.

Bea wrote:I can't think of a way to do it without infodumping.

Man, that would be terrible if you or Eloh infodumped wouldn't it. Golly.

There's just no fucking way this many civs are able to legitimately vouch for each other. Somebody is pulling some shit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, perhaps you're right, but then that makes two roles that essentially work the same way. That seems redundant -- something Epig wouldn't do. But thinking that the Hatter can somehow disrupt the game beyond the normal win conditions as Epig stated somehow seems contradictory, so that's why I never put too much concern over my message from the Hatter, but I have been slightly paranoid ever since I got it, to be frank.

Nonetheless, I agree that we should try to find baddies firstmost, but I am a bit concerned about the Hatter's win conditions, and obviously the message you got was to try to influence you to lynch those who either aren't or are those names (though I would think it would be aren't those names).

DH, are you implying that you think LC is the Hatter then? The Hedgeowl lynch is the one where LC almost died.

I'm saying Hatter "asked" me to vote for LC :P

@MP - Well this was a during the Hedgeowl lynch so make of that what you will.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Seriously? What else did it say, or was that it?

I've been trying to figure out ever since I got that message what "hats" meant. I figured it could be one of two things:
1) The Hatter gives people hats, somehow, maybe by targeting them -- I thought that then I was given a hat by being targeted with the message, but I thought that seemed unlikely if he called me his "hatless friend"
2) The hats correspond to whether our roles have hats

But neither of those two explanations ever fully satisfied me.

It said something about how my head was rather large, and made very overt threats regarding me placing my vote in a certain direction :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:!!!!!!!!!

It's the Hatter. I knew it.

The Hatter sent me a message a few days ago threatening me and telling me he didn't like my win condition -- and that I should help him get rid of people who were "hatless" (of course, how the hell am I supposed to know that?) or that if I would I would be spared, and if I didn't then I would not be spared. He also called me "my hatless friend". I thought it was probably an empty threat, but nonetheless it did worry me, so I didn't mention it in thread because I didn't know who The Hatter was and I didn't want to get on his bad side unnecessarily.

But I feel I should say this now.

Now that it seems like something may be going on behind the scenes, maybe it would be in our best interest to try to get rid of the Hatter today, especially if they're more of a threat than I was initially thinking they were. And especially because... I think Daisy may be onto something with DH being the Hatter, but I really don't know. The message to me was written in an eloquent fashion, so I assumed it could be LC, DH, or Blooper by the way it was written, but I really wasn't sure.

I'm not the Hatter, and I can prove it. I got "A Message" from the Hatter regarding LC, telling me he needed to be "hatted" or something.

I mean, its *kind of* a big deal.

I've got stuff to do so voting now and leaving for probably the rest of the day. I will check in from time to time.

I think Blooper is the best way to go for now. I'm willing to give SD the BOTD, and inactive players (while annoying and not at all worthy of a win) aren't as big of an issue right now.

Is this it? Is this the day Long Con finally lost his shit?

Was this the message LC?

RUH ROH SHAGGY

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:So, a few things to say here.

I got a message last night from Snape. I'll see what I want to share from that later.

Spacedaisy wrote:I believe DH is likely the hatter and I have no really desire to go down that trail if it is not needed.
I honestly hadn't seriously considered this possibility, maybe I had a bit too much tunnel vision. I still want DH to explain his Day One Misfits Gambit again, mostly because I want to string that ploy out and hang it to dry for all the neighbours to see... but I have to concede that he could be the Mad Hatter. I don't expect DH to confirm this one way or another, because he's a classy guy.

I already explained my Day 1 Misifits Gambit. And as unconventional as it was, it caught Boddy, so there you go.
You never explained exactly how the logic worked, it was just 1) Talk about Misfits 2) Act opposite to Misfits 3) ?????? 4) Made is a baddie!

I decided to act as counter to my Misfits game as possible. When Made reacted the way he did and didn't call me out as being suspicious, I figured out he was bad.

Long Con wrote:So, a few things to say here.

I got a message last night from Snape. I'll see what I want to share from that later.

Spacedaisy wrote:I believe DH is likely the hatter and I have no really desire to go down that trail if it is not needed.
I honestly hadn't seriously considered this possibility, maybe I had a bit too much tunnel vision. I still want DH to explain his Day One Misfits Gambit again, mostly because I want to string that ploy out and hang it to dry for all the neighbours to see... but I have to concede that he could be the Mad Hatter. I don't expect DH to confirm this one way or another, because he's a classy guy.

I already explained my Day 1 Misifits Gambit. And as unconventional as it was, it caught Boddy, so there you go.

Matter of fact, what civ roles do you think would give him that knowledge to begin with?

Spacedaisy wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Or he's saying he thinks you're civ in order to cover his ass once the lynch train gets going, in case you actually do flip civ.
This doesn't make sense. He said both me and LC, that he KNOWS we are civ. If he were a baddie covering his ass he would not use that kind off certainty in his terms. Because he can't KNOW I am civ. You can't honestly tell me you think the baddies have both a living and a dead role check? Epi does a better job of balancing his games than that. And thinking I am civ would not cover his ass since there are two baddie teams. There is no logic in what you are saying DH. You accused LC of interpreting things to fit his theory and you are doing the exact same thing now with me. And what you are saying doesn't even make any logical sense.

How does it not make any logical sense that he would lie and say he *knows* you are civ in order to gain your trust? Tell you wait SD, how about this. I know you are civ. Do you trust me now?

Or he's saying he thinks you're civ in order to cover his ass once the lynch train gets going, in case you actually do flip civ.

Spacedaisy wrote:
timmer wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I trust boom and LC.
Sorry if you've touched on this previously, I'll try to find it, but why do you trust Boom?
Because he clearly said he knows I'm civ. I know he is telling the truth, there is no baddie way to know I am civ for certain. Only civ. And I therefore trust he is telling the truth about LC as well.

@juliets because of the way you came after me the other day. I've already explained that. And up to that time I had the same feeling about you as timmer, so yeah...

@all, what are others feeling about Juliets? Am I missing something about her I shouldn't be overlooking?

Well that's just outright ridiculous. There are baddie/indie secrets, and he could just be lying. Saying he "knows" you are civ means nothing. Using that as the basis to trust him is completely ridiculous at this stage in the game.

Mongoose wrote:Could Zeek's vote have been forced? That would make sense why he voted Snowy first. And he could have sold it by being a gunner, but ...maybe not.

He'd been expressing suspicion of Snowy for a long time though, is my thing.

For example, Zeek was first to vote Snow Dog so that does not seem like a sorcerer thing to do. Especially given how zeek seemed to gun after Snowy if I remember correctly. So I don't believe he is a Sorcerer.

Linki @ MP - I've tossed around the idea that Snowy's vote was forced in that instance, though admittedly this is a remarkable coincidence if true (that Snow Dog's vote would be forced to his teammate, and one of only two lynch options.)

On the Sorcerer angle, lets take a look at the Bass voters and see if anything pops out:

Bass_the_Clever
9
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom is obviously a Sorcerer

Boomslang I've expressed suspicion might be a Sorcerer given the distancing with Dom and the sketchy WIFOM comments

Russ and Roxy are both dead and not likely to have been Sorcerers

So the list is then:

Eloh
Boomslang
Zeek
Bea
Blooper

Can anyone think of anything that discounts anyone of these guys from being a Sorcerer? The narrower we can get our search the better.

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, how do you feel about juliets, timmer, and zeek? Those are three other players in addition to your list that I feel should be thrown out there, at least for some mild discussion.

Timmer I feel fairly confident is a civ. Juliet and zeek I do not have a read on, and would agree that looking at them closer would be beneficial.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Mathmatically, given the number of mafia and the amount of trust I have for players, there has to be at least one mafia within the pool of inactives (Lizzy, LoRab, Rey, Sabie) So in order of the cases I would MOST like to see pursued:

1. Blooper
2. Boomslang
3. Spacedaisy
4. Inactives
You feel most strongly about Blooper OR you want to discuss cases against her the most (which may not imply that you feel most strongly about her; it could mean you don't feel she has had enough discussion)?

Wasn't sure which you meant.

Sorry. Yes, I meant these are the avenues of discussion I'd like to see explored, not that this is the order in which I suspect these guys necessarily. That would depend on the validity I find in the cases we talk about today.

Mathmatically, given the number of mafia and the amount of trust I have for players, there has to be at least one mafia within the pool of inactives (Lizzy, LoRab, Rey, Sabie) So in order of the cases I would MOST like to see pursued:

1. Blooper
2. Boomslang
3. Spacedaisy
4. Inactives

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think I'm most wary of Blooper at this point, but considering my instincts may be totally off (DH and S~V~S), I'm totally willing to consider other avenues that players are throwing out today. Interested to see what everyone is thinking.

And I believe I've said way more than enough about Daisy, so I won't repeat anything on that matter at all (I promise), lest I waste precious discussion time.

Thank god. Blowhard.

RIPIYWG Russ.

In all seriousness, the saga of LC has been nothing if not interesting, so I will be more than happy to hear him out.

Oh boy, there's nothing I like more than the prospect of a gigantic infodumpuru. I'm sure this plan of LC's can in no way backfire

Who is it you suspect then SD? Can you reiterate for me?

@MP seeing as you think I addressed those points quite well originally, I'll go ahead and leave those original points as I addressed them. I will however reiterate:

1) I came after Made D2 and expressed suspicion of Bass. I continued to express similar suspicions and actively (aggressively, I will admit, but such is my way) expressed frustrations as to the idea of people ignoring Made as a suspect unless either he flipped bad (which was and is hilariously backwards) or someone who voted for llama (such as Bass) flipped bad.

2) I voted for Dom during the Dom/Bass lynch, which doesn't make an incredible amount of sense if I am a Sorcerer. I also brought forward points against Dom, which doesn't make an incredible amount of sense if I was forced to vote for Dom (it would be more logical to be as obvious about the forced vote as others have been)

3) I voted for Snow Dog. Throwing *one* team mate under the bus is something I do not entertain the thought of even on my worst day. Two in the same game is absolutely ridiculous.

So given my opposition to not one, but two players on both mafia teams, how can you genuinely suspect that I am mafia? Even ignoring that argument, how can you suspect that I am mafia *with SVS*?

Again, her being Snape makes the most sense. Spoilers for anyone who hasn't read the books or seen the movies:

One of Snape's secrets is probably his ability to cast his Patronus (a Doe, representing the characters affections for Lily Potter) in order to guide the thread. In the books and the movies, he does this same exact thing in order to secretly guide Harry to a valuable weapon he can use to destroy Voldemort's horcruxes. Voldemorts horcruxes, in contrast, are material objects for the most part that hold no such ability.

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, it's possible I'm wrong about either or both of you, I just find it REAL convenient and interesting that:
- I had made a post connecting both of you and saying you were both bad ages ago.
- Despite S~V~S being a "confirmed civ" as you say, she is still alive, and it appears Voldemort is still alive. I also have no idea how she was confirmed as Snape and not Voldy. But if you can show me she's Snape, that'd be great.
- You both make this push to lynch Daisy right after the Day period is over, even after Boomslang came in and vouched for Daisy and LC, yet neither of you address whether you believe him or not. And you also fail to address my point about the other Suit likely being completely inactive, although there is strong evidence to suggest that fact due to the last kill PM not sent in. I also find it interesting you came up with all these reasons to push evidence AWAY from that before, in a very manipulative fashion, as I said previously, even though your reasons made no sense.

Linki w/ DH: If you'll recall, I already addressed your vote for Dom. I'll bring it back up.

I'll consider your point about Lily; I'm pretty ignorant of the Harry Potter franchise.

Understand this completely;

No theory is a "good" theory unless it can stand up against opposing ideas. The idea that the last Suit is inactive is one way to explain the situation, but it's not the only way. If that is the case, you would surely agree that Made fits the profile of an inactive player up until his lynch, given how sporadically he checked in?

Also, I'm confused, are SVS and I Sorcerers that for some reason are defending Suits? Or am I a Suit deflecting attention away from an inactive teammate? If I am a suit, can you explain why I went after Made Day 2 and expressed suspicion of Bass? Again, you seem to think I value the safety of my teammates very little, which is uncharacteristic of me.

Speaking in regards to your Boom point:

I still suspect Boom, so his "vouching for" (lmao) SD does very little to sway me.

Again, I don't think you'd be bringing any of this up if it was anyone other than SD. Which is perfectly fine, but I'm just suggesting you perhaps consider the idea that you may not be thinking clearly.

(this was an EBWOP that turned into a Linki)

ORIGINAL POST:
MP, Can I ask you (and anyone else feel free to chime in):

If you think I'm a Sorcerer, how would you explain my vote for Dom? Surely you can see the logical gap there. Granted, Snow Dog (A Sorcerer) also voted for Dom, but in what scenario does it make sense for TWO teammates to vote for Dom in such a close lynch?

Even then, how would you explain my vote against Snow Dog? Do you really think so little of me that I would throw two teammates under the bus in one game?

Certainly not. Though again, that you're claiming I'm a sorcerer with SVS (whom you would have to be blind deaf and halfway to stupid not to see is a civ) speaks volumes about how seriously you value your suspicion of me at all.

Addendum:

Bro, the Spacedaisy thing is a tough nut to crack. On the one hand, her connection to Made compounds onto the other evidence against her (Not voting bass, for example). If you can explain to me how Made being Boddy exonerates SD, I'll listen. What Boom thing are you asking about? I'll have to go back and re-read to see if I understand.

And the "Lily Potter" account's avatar was a doe, which is Severus Snape's patronus (an 'avatar of light' used to ward of Dementors that takes the shape of an animal, also dealing with happy memories or some emotional signficance to the caster or some shit IDK been a while since I read the books).

The SVS=Voldemort theory has no legs, because Voldemort's horcruxes had nothing to do with Lily Potter or creating anything resembling what we saw from the Lily Potter account. It makes zero sense.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If S~V~S and DH are both Sorcerers and we have an inactive Suit, this game is well within the reach of civilians.

I lay off SD, you don't suspect me. I point out the evidence that points to SD being bad, suddenly I'm bad. I lay off again, you beg hat in hand for my forgiveness, I point out that SD's connection to Made (a Suit) looks even worse for her, and now I'm somehow on a baddie team with the most confirmed civ of all time.

Alright cool.

Spacedaisy wrote:
1. My vote for llama instead of made on Day 2. If we knew that made was bad then it would be a different story but we don't. And I did not think made was lying which was the case against him. And it turned out I was right. So yeah... Civs vote civs all the time. It doesn't make me bad, just wrong in this case.

Well, we do now, so.

Spacedaisy wrote:Well this has certainly made things more interesting... Another Mad Hatter claim would seem to verify what Made was saying, would it not?

Dom, I think a fair amount of the MP voters gave a reason. I kind of think I can do a fair job reading MP, and I feel pretty sure he is a civ based upon what I've seen so far.

I don't understand why people are suspicious of Elo, I've seen nothing out of the ordinary in her play so far.

I think it is likely that we had civ v civ action on Day 2 and the baddies let us run with it. It's an easy out for two lynches if they did, because it would not be until made flipped before we realized it.

I am going to do some re-reading to see if anything jumps out at me.

Linki: I don't see any reasonable connection between the Hatter and Dom.

Spacedaisy wrote:I find myself looking at three options for this lynch. I still do not like the feel of DH after Day 1. Made seems to be making blatantly false statements, if there were any truth in what he was saying, I am sure he would be punished for what he has said. However, there are secret roles and I really can't see why anyone would lie about this, bad or otherwise, so it still leaves me wondering if there is a role that can force you to claim things or act certain ways. It would not be the first time. Then there is the case against llama...

I just don't know which one I feel like is the best place for a vote today.

Spacedaisy wrote:I find Made's claim that he was forced to vote Boomslang too tough to swallow. I doubt Epi would be ok with him announcing that. What I am wondering is if there is a role that might force him to make such an outlandish claim?

thellama73 wrote:I freaking told everybody Made was bad a thousand years ago!

Also, I hate when celebrities like Justin Timberlake wear trilbies and everyone calls them fedoras. They are not fedoras. Lean your hat styles.

M'llama

I voted for Trilby. M'lady

Long Con wrote:It was a toss-up between fedora and cowboy hat, but I went with Cowboy because usually when you wear a cowboy hat, you are rockin' it.

Awesome result for Made! Take THAT Mr Boddy, you ain't blackmailing me no more! *stomps on grave*

Sorcerer kill tonight. Hope you guys can stop the baddie trend of failing to kill!

Does Made flipping suit make you think twice about me at least? Given my early case of Made.

Personal Foul, on the Defense! Talking to Dead Players

15 yards, automatic first down.

timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Boomslang, who are the players you suspect right now?
Based on my thoughts about the innocence of Spacedaisy, DH and SVS have attracted my attention due to their cases earlier in the day. I also noticed a bit of agreement/coordinated discussion between these two, possibly propelled by BTSC. I'm not too hyped about the Made push; I'm not reading anything crazily baddie.

SVS is literally confirmed civ.
'ow's tha?

Are you being serious or did you miss the Lily Potter incident?

Boomslang wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Boomslang, who are the players you suspect right now?
Based on my thoughts about the innocence of Spacedaisy, DH and SVS have attracted my attention due to their cases earlier in the day. I also noticed a bit of agreement/coordinated discussion between these two, possibly propelled by BTSC. I'm not too hyped about the Made push; I'm not reading anything crazily baddie.

SVS is literally confirmed civ.

Made wrote:
Made wrote:Holy fuck that was a lot to digest. Caught up, and don't have much coming up till next weekend, so i'm around for a while.

Going to start RE:SVS I love her curse, but someone said she outed herself. Was that a joke? Also, SVS, do you know who cursed you?

And as a General read on SVS, she seems more involved in this game than she is in games where she's good. In Misfits and Monty Python, I found myself able to bounce of her easily, later learning that in Misfits she was bad and Monty, she was attempting to get actions drawn to her.

Lilly is interesting... Having not read the harry potter series, I'm pretty sure that re:voldies' bio that if Lilly is a Horcrux, she will disappear by tomorrow. If she's still here, it would more likely be Snapes.
Lilly claim to be killed by Voldie would make her INH which I very much doubt considering 727 isn't currently a thing....unless It's a player that voldie voted for, which i'd call less likely.

I think the claims against TH is pretty weak, as if he were bad and had knowledge of Bass's role, he wouldn't of had any knowledge of Doms. While this could be called a weak theory/attempt to set Dom up for a lynch on today at its most vindictive , I wouldn't call it a slip.

I read over everything carefully, but I feel like i need to read it over again. I think vote analysis of Bass and DF would be the best use of our time for now, as anything Dom is Wifom city.

linki- Can someone explain Potter v SVS? I am so lost.
Taking completely out of context. Dom (and bass) are wifom city because we have to decide if a baddie would vote for their teammate or the alternative. Before I posted this, DH said "a baddie would vote for their own team presumably" or ssomething to that effect. So I said this as a counter point.

Simplifying my point.
There are three possible things a person Could of done during that lynch:

1. vote Dom
2. Vote bass
3. Vote both.

All three are (were? I've only skimmed since my last read)currently being used to say someone is bad

Obviously a baddie did, because those are the only three options!

I think I actually attacked of timmers post with this one so gonna look for a person go vote for now..... I think I know where I'm going....

When did I say a baddie would vote for their own teammate? What.

Good to have you admit you're throwing logic and facts out the window in favor of "messing with" me

I hope people remember *that* one as well, kiddies.

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Dom was a Sorcerer, Bass was a Suit, they were the only two options on the board. It stands to reason that the teams did everything in their power to save their teammates by voting the other baddie. I have to assume that Snow Dog's Dom vote means that he was somehow forced to vote for Dom for whatever reason.
You don't believe that. Baddies aren't one-dimensional logic circuits. "It stands to reason" that a baddie would vote their teammate as distancing when they see that their teammate is already going down.
Not to sound harsh, but the Dom/Bass lynch was really close. It was not at all a one-sided affair. So, since neither of them were at any major disadvantage, again it seems logical to me that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers (with the exception of a forced Snow Dog) voted Bass.
Who did you vote for?
Check the voting record.
You voted Dom. Which makes you a Suit, right?

What does that make you?

Not *all* the voters were bad, thats just common sense. Please LC. This whole thing you've got going with splitting hairs is starting to drive me up a wall. Ignore facts all you want, but please tone back on the hair splitting semantics and circular logic. Its not becoming :P

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Dom was a Sorcerer, Bass was a Suit, they were the only two options on the board. It stands to reason that the teams did everything in their power to save their teammates by voting the other baddie. I have to assume that Snow Dog's Dom vote means that he was somehow forced to vote for Dom for whatever reason.
You don't believe that. Baddies aren't one-dimensional logic circuits. "It stands to reason" that a baddie would vote their teammate as distancing when they see that their teammate is already going down.
Not to sound harsh, but the Dom/Bass lynch was really close. It was not at all a one-sided affair. So, since neither of them were at any major disadvantage, again it seems logical to me that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers (with the exception of a forced Snow Dog) voted Bass.
Who did you vote for?

Check the voting record.

You know what? Screw it. Time to put my money where my mouth is on Made. Depending on how he flips, SD will look better or worse, so its a reasonable vote.

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Dom was a Sorcerer, Bass was a Suit, they were the only two options on the board. It stands to reason that the teams did everything in their power to save their teammates by voting the other baddie. I have to assume that Snow Dog's Dom vote means that he was somehow forced to vote for Dom for whatever reason.
You don't believe that. Baddies aren't one-dimensional logic circuits. "It stands to reason" that a baddie would vote their teammate as distancing when they see that their teammate is already going down.

Not to sound harsh, but the Dom/Bass lynch was really close. It was not at all a one-sided affair. So, since neither of them were at any major disadvantage, again it seems logical to me that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers (with the exception of a forced Snow Dog) voted Bass.

Spacedaisy wrote:LC, I don't really know for sure, but I find Timmer trustworthy IMO too.

Elo, I did post a summary. I find it suspicion that she came in here and instead of pulling the original quote in which I said "I have got a read on Juliets but I can see why her sudden inactivity looks bad especially considering what appears to be a missed PM," she pulled the post a few posts later where I said "it should have read I HAVENT got a read on juliets," and then used that to question me and cast suspicion on me about why I voted for her saying she was the best I had to go on. She said something to the effect of, "the best you have to go on is no read at all???" It was super shady business if you ask me. What I was going on was the missed PM coupled with her inactivity, not no read at all. That was just my edit.

DH I am not civ guilting. I fully expect to be lynched today and I am perfectly ok with it. This is not me throwing a tantrum or being pouty or anything of the sort. I just think the civs need to get some solid information and if they need to lynch me to get there then go for it. The baddies are keeping me around right now because I'm a distraction to be frank.

JC, if the votes go another way that's fine too, I'm just not going to be upset over being lynched, this game has been too fraught with emotions already for me and my taste. I'm tired of fighting with everyone. I'm still playing right now though. But I doubt I will make it to the end anyway unless we have some amazing luck finding baddies, I just think eventually I am going to get lynched because there has been too much talk of lynching me, too much suspicion over me. I've accepted this, lol.

Linki @LC: awe, thanks LC! But I am not trying to make anyone feel bad for me. I wouldn't have said it unless I felt that it might be in the civs best interest to just let go and let them get it over with.

Linki @Boom: good to know someone other than MP trusts me, lol. I won't be voting for you now for sure.

Linki @Juliets: your last posts make me feel bad for suspecting you, lol. Thanks for being encouraging.

I still don't understand this. If you are a civvie, what makes laying down and taking a lynch any better than being completely inactive? Right now, I'm convinced you are a Suit. What would convince me otherwise is if you started putting up a fight, making cases, being as adamant about your innocence as MP was. But all I'm seeing is the exact opposite.

I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest for example that Made is a suit, and it would fit with the Dom/Bass lynch theories that he missed the vote.

I do not at all agree with whomever it was that said we should not put as much stock into the Dom/Bass lynch and the DF stuff as we've been putting into it.

Dom was a Sorcerer, Bass was a Suit, they were the only two options on the board. It stands to reason that the teams did everything in their power to save their teammates by voting the other baddie. I have to assume that Snow Dog's Dom vote means that he was somehow forced to vote for Dom for whatever reason. Other than that, its almost like we've been served the baddies on a platter.

Long Con wrote:Let's not lynch Spacedaisy today.

Let's lynch DharmaHelper, Made, or at least a non-participator today.

I always feel sad and sympathetically frustrated when a player gives up and says we should lynch them. I believe that Spacedaisy is legit, and I like Spacedaisy, and I want to win with Spacedaisy.

Let's not and say we did.

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