The Syndicate

If I go, I accomplished what I wanted to accomplish. Maybe 1 or 2 baddies gets flushed out and you guys have a nice list for future lynches

S~V~S wrote:
The Truth wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
You're being rather condescending, that sometimes makes me think people are baddies.
Actually, it is my experience that DH tends to be more condescending when he is a civ. Hes a little friendlier when hes bad, trying to trick people and all.

i was gonna vote FH, but am waiting to see if there is a last minute push for DH

Spoiler warning: There probably will be

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
I'm more concerned about your analysis posts.

What about it?
It's got an agenda.

I disagree. Want to elaborate?

Well this day has been the most interesting thusfar.

LittleTiger wrote:
reywaS wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
reywaS wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???
BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.
It was not "useless". It was a simple record of people that voted for both Droopy and Vomp with some added stuff about vote timing. DH did not in any way come to the conclusion that any one person in his vote post "must be bad". It certainly wasn't "useless" in that it got some great discussion going. I think he may have hit something with all the "oh my god, that date is stupid and useless and makes no sense" stuff TBH. A few people went a little overboard in trying to debunk DH's conclusions when he didn't even make any conclusions! I think he's on to something with the responses.
So then why did he slip in the "I am going to vote LT"?

Again, I was not the first to comment that his analyses served no purpose at this point in the game. Later, maybe it will help. So, I comment.... and BOOM! DH says THAT is his case... the fact that I commented. Something that others have also done.

Now, here you are joining him. I am sorry, but you cannot tell me that his analyses has any bearing on shit right at this point.

Maybe there is something to the fact that YOU are jumping on DH's bogus case. I mean, how convenient, right? Easy vote. DH has even said that he is trying to stop "sheeple votes" - so clearly he is just stirring the pot. Yet you jump on it.

Except that all it has done is distract from actual discussion of the actual possible baddies. But, maybe that is the plan.

My eye is still on FH, tbh. Although, I am not ready to vote her atm. Her explanations about the books rang true to me.

Instead, I am now very interested in reywaS. I think he has played this game long enough that him jumping on DH's "case" makes me very suspicious of him.

*vote reywaS*

I think you're talking yourself in a bit of a circle here. It's been fairly established that my vote for you was to do with your REACTION to the vote analysis. I didn't say you were the first to comment on it, just that your particular reaction pinged me the most. And I'm not distracting from any actual discussion.

But overall this post is a much better improvement in terms of baddie defending. I'm glad your step away from the thread lead to a more clearheaded set of lies and doubletalk and etc. Makes things easier.

@Trice if you think FH let slip which civvie role she is, requoting it so all the baddies know what you're talking about might not be the best course of action.

BoatsBoatsBoats wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
I'm more concerned about your analysis posts.

What about it?

Hence "apart from his responses to my case."

LittleTiger wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
LittleTiger wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.

Who suggested the angry civvie routine in your BTSC?
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I only ask because "LOL WUT?" didn't work and "Dismissive" didn't work so "Angry Civvie!" seems like it might not do so hot either.

LittleTiger wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.
You are just making shit up and I am fed up with it.

Who suggested the angry civvie routine in your BTSC?

I'm not planning anything Boats. I just feel very strongly that LT tangled herself up in her reaction to my voting analysis and her reactions since.

LittleTiger wrote:
reywaS wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me. All the talk surrounding how useless and incorrect and flawed DH's vote stats were pinged me big time. It felt like DH hit a nerve and a few people were rushing to completely discredit what he was saying. Since when is any kind of vote analysis useless???
BECAUSE it has no merit this early in the game; BECAUSE people are on at the same time due to schedules etc; BECAUSE it was just useless. I could say that because you are replying to DH and I think he is bad, then you must be bad. You posted after DH, you must be bad.

Geez.

Except initially all I did was say "these people voted together both times." And you reacted over the top and very defensive about it. I didn't say anything about "All these people are mafia."

Good try though LT. I'm sure you're really scrambling back there in your BTSC about how to get out of this one.

LittleTiger wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.
Wow.

Wow indeed.

Seeings as my "Case" on you stems from your reaction to the material I presented and not the material itself. You keep calling it useless, invalid etc. The Civvie LT I know would not have gone so far over the top in her initial response to voting analysis. You also seem to think that by using loaded language (such as "you're better than this", this is usless, invalid, etc etc) I'll back off. I wont. You're bad. And Thats that.

I am not being mean. I just don't see that you have made any kind of valid case against me - so I pointed out why it was non-existent as well as how your vote analysis was not valid. I assume all that useless analysis supposedly validates your non-existent case

Something is up with the way you are posting, and I am not sure what it is.

You are being rather mean, and dismissive, and wrong :P

If LT flips civ this game, I will eat everybody's hat.

juliets wrote:It's also interesting that a civv wants to shut DP up, and the Residents want to kill him. I guess in addition to re-reading FH's posts I'll be re-reading DP's posts to see what that could be about. DP, do you know how you survived?

I thought I was going crazy for a second. So yeah...

Oh yeah I see now you asked if he knew how he survived. Whoops.

Also does no one care that JC asked DP if he knew why he was silenced today?

While he was silenced.

@JC I'm pretty certain that civvie LT would not respond to me the way this LT is responding. It's way too over the top and dismissive, and actually quite mean.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:
Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:*Votes DH*
Why did you vote for DH? You've been pretty focused on rabbit for so long that I didn't even realize you really voted for DH until I saw DH's post.

Should I write this in third person so you'll read it?

FH wants to know why Mr. Droopy Cash chose to vote for DH so early in the day phase and with no discussion on the matter. FH hopes Mr. Droopy Cash comes back to explain his decision.
You just gained an instant like from me! Honestly, my explanation is bologna. Between work, school, and the little bit of life I have, that leaves me with about 15 minutes of Mafia time before the lynch ends. I didn't want to miss it so I went ahead and voted. I chose DH because I'm tired of seeing 13,000 word posts explaining diagrams and statistics as to why people are good and bad. This is a game, not homework. I'll be sleeping if anyone needs me.

"Do more DH!"

"Do less, DH!"

S~V~S wrote:So DH, do YOU have an opinion on FH & BWT?

They're both on my vote analysis together, so am I surprised necessarily that they've both done suspect things today? Nope, not really.

Good on Kate for calling out FH, and I think FH's response has been sketchy.

MP's clarifying the BWT thing is surprising. I'd like to know what BWT was thinking.

No way would civvie LT be up in arms about vote analysis like this LT is acting :P

See guys, Over the top LT ^^^^

S~V~S wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
S~V~S wrote:*Sigh*

Because she is on a Venn diagram somewhere and has not been subject to a bandwagon, i would guess.

DH, I so want to believe you at times, but you make it so hard </3

Linki~ civvies can vote in clusters as well.
2. LT's response to my vote analysis was blown up and over the top, classic baddie LT.
3. LT's ignored me going after her all day today. Didn't even comment on me saying I'd vote for her unless someone confessed. Civvie LT would not have let that go.
FWIW, I feel like I am the only person trying to work with you. Try to throttle back on the angry, ok?

So you no longer suspect INH or Rabbit?

Not angry, nor am I giving up on INH/Rabbit suspicions.

S~V~S wrote:*Sigh*

Because she is on a Venn diagram somewhere and has not been subject to a bandwagon, i would guess.

DH, I so want to believe you at times, but you make it so hard </3

Linki~ civvies can vote in clusters as well.

2. LT's response to my vote analysis was blown up and over the top, classic baddie LT.
3. LT's ignored me going after her all day today. Didn't even comment on me saying I'd vote for her unless someone confessed. Civvie LT would not have let that go.

Well, whatever.

Epignosis wrote:Any reason why?

1. In both the Droopy and Vomp votes, LT voted within 1 vote of Aces and Boats. I want to check the validity of the "baddies phoned it in"theory.
2. LT's response to my vote analysis was blown up and over the top, classic baddie LT.
3. LT's ignored me going after her all day today. Didn't even comment on me saying I'd vote for her unless someone confessed. Civvie LT would not have let that go.

So. There you go. Reasons.

Yeah.

Vote LT

Oh duh, I see now that you called FH out on having books. OK then I change my mind..

Kate wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I'm confused.

FH comes clean about her decisions regarding the books as opposed to keeping her mouth shut and not even mentioning that she has a book. Seems a civvie decision to me.
She had no choice but to come clean. I obviously already knew.

You knew she had a book?

I'm confused.

FH comes clean about her decisions regarding the books as opposed to keeping her mouth shut and not even mentioning that she has a book. Seems a civvie decision to me.

Mr. Droopy Cash wrote:*Votes DH*

You weren't kidding.

FTR I think LT planted that "you're better than this" stuff and the "oh you'll probably just make more of this than what's there" because she's a baddie.

@FH I wasn't implying anything.

@Everyone else, I was muy mad yesterday, I'm less mad today. But again, it is what it is. Try to help and all of a sudden depending on who you ask I'm either stupid "Better than this"(aka stupid) or implying a conspiracy.

Ignoring my "within 1 vote of each other" rule, the people that voted both Vomp and Droopy seem to be in two distinct groups in terms of when they made their votes.

The Truth
BWT
Rabbit
FH

and

LT
Aces
Boats
Kate

Droopy Votes In Order:

5. The Truth (2nd Vote for Droopy)
6. BWT (3rd Vote for Droopy)
8. Rabbit (4th Vote For Droopy)
10. FH (5th Vote For Droopy)
11. LT (6th Vote For Droopy)
12. Aces (7th Vote For Droopy)
13. Boats (8th Vote for Droopy)
16. Kate (9th Vote For Droopy)
18. Chaindeath (10th Vote for Droopy)

Vomp Votes In Order:

2. LittleTiger (2nd Vote for Vomp)
3. Boats (3rd Vote for Vomp)
4. Aces (4th Vote for Vomp)
6. Kate (6th Vote for Vomp)
12. The Truth (10th Vote for Vomp)
13. Rabbit (11th Vote for Vomp)
16. FH (12th Vote for Vomp)
17. BWT (13th Vote for Vomp)
18. Chaindeath (14th Vote for Vomp

So then BWT *Is* in a voting group with FH and Rabbit. and Rabbit *Is* in a voting group with The Truth...

Hold on I'm trying to rework what I have now that Trice is out and it's fuckin' hard because I'm pissed off and tired at the same time so logical thought is at a low point.

I dunno, like i said, I'm gassed out trying to swim against the current here, so whatever happens happens

Also ignore the BWT link. I was wrong about that as well.

DharmaHelper wrote:So forget Trice, that means Rabbit is also in a voting group with The Truth on both votes..

Ignore that. I'm wrong.

So forget Trice, that means Rabbit is also in a voting group with The Truth on both votes..

From that, I guess this is the most interesting bit:

7 minutes between FH and BWT
2 minutes between FH and Rabbit

Even though all 6 votes are less than 2 hours apart, FH votes within minutes of both Rabbit and BWT (on two separate occasions, I'll grant you.)

So the link is there I guess. Again, I'm not anticipating much to come out of this but I'll keep at it anyway.

Vomp Vote:

rabbit8 wrote:Vomp, for personal reaons, those being I've not had time to catch up at all. I have meetings till later this week. I will be sporadic at best till then.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I've gone back and re-read on DH, rabbit, and INH. Of those 3, INH strikes me as the most suspicious one, but my suspicions of Vomps will trump that for today. I feel better putting that one off rather than waiting on Vomps to maybe eventually say something that will change my mind. He still has yet to do that.

Votes Vompatti

Flyin' High wrote:Sorry for my complete lack of input today. I stayed home sick from work today and didn't really have the energy for mafia.

I didn't have the chance to read back on the people I'd planned to look at so I'm sticking with the Vomps suspicion--I hope this turns out better than the Droopy lynch.

*Votes Vompatti*

Rabbit @ 6:57pm EST
BWT @ 8:12pm EST
FH @ 8:19pm EST

1 hour 15 minutes between Rabbit and BWT
1 hour 22 minutes between rabbit and FH
7 minutes between FH and BWT

Droopy Vote

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I have to leave for work in the next few minutes, and we've been so busy lately that I probably won't get a chance to vote while I'm there. Right now I am torn in between Vompatti and Droopy.

On the one hand, Vompatti keeps plugging away on the rabbit bandwagon (even with the quote from DH you posted, I'm not sure I fully buy your reasoning) and even voted for him for "personal reasons". That looks suspicious enough as it is.

On the other hand, Droopy has been very inconsistent, I'm not buying his voting for rabbit just for his "aggressiveness" or however it was he worded it. A lot of what he's been saying seems like a last-ditch attempt to save himself, and I think it's entirely possible he could be one of bea's teammates.

While I'm fine with either option, I originally felt and still feel more strongly about Droopy, so he is getting my vote this time.

Votes Droopy

rabbit8 wrote:
triceratopzeuhl wrote:Well, if Droopy ends up lynched + bad today we will probably look more closely at that theory, rabbit

I agree. Droopy.

Flyin' High wrote:Haha, I actually totally see where you're coming from about the way I'm feeling wishy-washy about Mr. Droopy, Aces. But I am never 100% certain (unless I have information).

I could probably go back through many games and pull quotes of myself being "unsure" about a player's alignment while being civvie myself.

I feel like there's enough points of evidence to support Mr. Droopy being a baddie. The tiny part in my brain that is uncertain is knowing this is his first game ever and that we may be seeing a true case of a newbie civvie freakout.

But meh, I've been discussing this all day. Gonna put my vote where my mouth is and *vote Mr. Droopy*

BWT @ 1:45pm EST
Rabbit @ 2:53pm EST
FH @ 2:55pm EST

1 hour and 8 minutes between BWT and Rabbit
1 hour and 10 minutes between BWT and FH
2 minutes between FH and Rabbit

Actually, bumping Trice out of the equation means the new group is

"BWT, FH, Rabbit"

6. BWT (3rd Vote for Droopy)
8. Rabbit (5th Vote For Droopy)
10. FH (6th Vote For Droopy)

13. Rabbit (11th Vote for Vomp)
16. FH (13th Vote for Vomp)
17. BWT (14th Vote for Vomp)

Dunno. Discuss?

Linki@ Dom I think it's certainly a possibility. I think the closeness of their votes each time warrants scrutiny. If Rey is right and looking at the votes will lead to catching a baddie, then looking at the group of votes might lead to catching a group of baddies.

So Kate/Boats/Aces is still legit. And LT is still legit. So, uhm. Sure.

I was going to say "Just read back and cross referenced Day 3/Day 4 with the lists FH provided and they seem legit"

But MP said that.

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