The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.

Why?

Cuz you're supposed to lynch baddies.

Wait, you think SVS is a baddie?

Since, like, two Days ago, bro.

Sorry, I've been forgetting to write those in caustic cyan.

My real question is: why hasn't he voted for her yet??

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Immediate thought about the attempted lynch of DrWilgy:

It stunk. I hated the lynch all day phase long and wished I could do something about it. Numerous people seemed to reduce the case for DrWilgy merely to WIFOM: "would a baddie defend his team mate so hard???"

I think this is inadequate because it doesn't respect what I perceive to be the most important variable: the likelihood that DrWilgy's defenses of TinyBubbles were going to motivate a lynch of someone else instead of TinyBubbles -- likelihood that I'd call infinitesimal. He didn't merely defend her hard, he did so when it was pointless. Is that how baddies behave? Maybe in some universes, but not terribly many of them in my experience. His hard-headed defense of Bubbles when she was already the clear lynch suggests to me that he really did believe in his defense of her and was stubbornly pressing it into the thread -- indicative of someone not on her team.

I could be wrong about that. I don't know. The fact that the lynch didn't actually take place is also a relevant factor that I will mull over that moving forward. For now though my stance remains that DrWilgy is not on team Ubzuccini.

nutella wrote:DrWilgy seems to be using the defense of "why wouldn't I have defended Bubbles earlier" which sounds to me like the obvious set-up defense in the case that Bubbles was only recently recruited. There's a lot of WIFOMy stuff going on with regards to his defense of Bubbles but now that I'm actually looking at his posts I think it's enough for me to *vote DrWilgy*

reywaS wrote:Ok, I feel like I've caught up enough.

I voted DrWilgy because I don't like the votes on S~V~S and llama. They both feel civ to me, and in fact I agree with S~V~S post on Bullzeye talking about how he's been around plenty but didn't have any solid opinions on anyone. Then bullz got kind of defensive and then maybe went a little overboard trying to make up for his previous lack of opinion. Bullz definitely came off as baddie to me in that exchange.

Sorsha wrote:Seems awfully strange that all this anti-wilgy is coming up after he turned his suspicions on svs.

If svs comes up bad I'd say the same about you Scotty. You should go next.

Voting svs

S~V~S wrote:

timmer wrote:Oh, no no, you misunderstand me, I think. I have no idea if DH is to be trusted about you at ALL. But he's obviously being insistent and blundered about it. I see it two ways.

1. A civ DH would not do this to you unless he knew you were bad.
2. A baddie DH would do this to you for just about any reason he felt like.

I can't see one option being more likely, but at least your status would suggest likelihood in regards to him.

But he has done it to me as a civ. That was why I mentioned Gotham. I just wanted to make sure you were not implying that you thought he had info. Becasue he can't, but even if it were possible, DH would not do the whole "wink wink nudge nudge" info thing. This is a gut read, which i respect, since this is how I play as well. Although I think he maybe needs some maalox, his gut is off .

Bullzeye wrote:So part 3 of my big read, and we hit the top three living posters. Gonna kick things off with a look at the low poster of the group.

DharmaHelper

Contributions were pretty good early on. Big proponent of Golden's lynch. Seemed like he was after Scotty for a while then that sort of just dropped away. Now he has a bee in his bonnet over SVS. I noticed that before his big case reveal he refers to having an eye on "someone in the background", which seems an unusual descriptor for SVS, currently the 5th highest poster in the game. That whole post just feels funny to me, call it a vibe. His case is fair enough, but it did come up during day 5 - I don't think it's likely to have been intended as a Bubbles distraction though as he's still very much into it today. A few minor pings but otherwise no major opinion either way - 3/10.

MetalMarsh

MM was super involved in the beginning of the game. I quite like the way he put together his vote decision on day 1. He has become more quiet recently, the first four of his seven pages of posts take us as far as night 2. I can relate though. I don't think he's a likely choice for a recruit unless he was someone's first pick. Other than a few very minor things I've not had any pings from him - 2/10

JJJay

Good Lorb, how can one person have so many posts? Like a tenth of this thread is JJJ and he hasn't even posted all day today. I said a while back he'd probably be the best pick for a recruit and I stand by that. I'd be amazed if someone hasn't at least tried to recruit him by now. Civ or bad, I haven't decided but I'm not out of day zero yet in his posts! I felt he was genuine in his questioning of Bass, and felt he had raised a good argument in that particular instance. Clearly he hadn't, but we were both wrong and I won't fault him for that. His points on Boom were decent at the time but my agreement with them has fallen away over the ages. I don't currently see anything to make me think he's bad - 2/10.

Well this last part feels like it was a bit of a waste of time :P Regardless I hope that satisfies SVS' desire to see me have some opinions. Will probably get to everyone else tomorrow, I feel good about where my vote is.

S~V~S wrote:Also @ Wilgy, I did not kill Unfurl, and I would not have killed Unfurl. She raises the level of every thread she is in, and God knows we need that sometimes. Even if I were bad, which I am not, i would have hoped to recruit her rather than kill her.

Linki, I am not misrepresenting you, DH. This was a good point really, and if it makes you happy I will change it from "DH" to "those who suspect me" and insisting to "possibly". I still think it's a good point and it stands.

S~V~S wrote:@Ricochet Hopefully this does not get lost~ my expectation of the Exec trying to kill me is based on DH insisting that I am Uzburger, and last night was a night the Exec could kill a Warrior. So I thought the Exec might try to prove the point in that fashion. It is probably what I would have done had I been the Exec.

Scotty wrote:

Synonym wrote:I'm reading and voting, just haven't been participating much in the thread. To be honest I still don't really understand this game but I'm trying to keep up.

I've been voting for the various Positions and lynches.

Yo dawg, I know you from JTM and I know you're capable of being super helpful as a civ. But even in a massive game like this one, you gotta have some sort of opinion.
I've been reading too. Just finished the One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish saga. Took me a few days. And I can say that on page 17 the narrator says that he wishes he had 11 fingers, and that's bullshit. Who wants 11 fingers? That's just my opinion.

So you've voted SVS, so you obviously have some sort of opinion by now, however small.

Yeah, this.

I see Bullz posted some opinions, I have to read those over more carefully. I will also read the other cases on people getting votes. If I have to switch my vote to protect myself I will, but would rather it be to someone I feel less positive about, and hopefully don't have to worry about that at all.

And I am glad I am not the only one who thought JJJs sudden case of the *mehs* and a major posting style change a bit odd.

S~V~S wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Quick question; Bullz is the 12th highest living poster, with 108 posts. Can anyone remember, off the top of their heads, without reading back, a strong point he has made or position he has taken, right or wrong?

Just make your point, so I can point out how you know full well I'm not the type of player who comes out big with the strong accusations all that often.

This is my point; it is day 6, you have over 100 posts and I bet no one can come up with any opinion you have held. That is the definition of "blendy".

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Rest in peace all ye deadies. Bloody night.

Caelia's message could be one of those "Some of these are true and some are false" sorta deals.

It doesn't say she gets info. Its her opinion because I know that at least one name in there is not bad. At least we now know DH isn't Caelia since he would have only put my name in there

And Bullz, no not lots of strong opinions. But not even one?

In a game that coincides with the deadline of the biggest and most important piece of work I've ever done? My activity quickly slowed down because I was working hard. I do feel like I made a decent contribution to the Bass discussion, and if day three hadn't locked the thread while I was catching up I'd have been more involved then but since around that time I've had to focus on more important things. Busy = not enough time to read in much depth, especially with lynches ending at 4/5am so I sleep through hours of important discussion. As it happens, I've got today completely free and intend to do some reading here. But I'm still not seeing your point.

Also you mention my post count and positioning overall, but what's so special about it? Seven posts below TH's post count and 8 above both Bea and LA. Why are they not scrutinised in the same manner?

Because I can remember things that they have said. I can't remember much of anything you've said without reading, and I have been watching you, lol. You know you caught my eye day one, and I would have pursued it further sooner, but I got distracted by Golden via Epis death

DharmaHelper wrote:If SVS were good, I would be dead right now. Her team didn't NK me because it would have led right back to her.

If I am wrong then you can go ahead and lynch me right after.

You seem to be saying I am on Team Uzburger. Azura killed last night. Make up your mind.

Turnip Head wrote:DH played Recruitment III with this sort of confidence, he was a civvie with no info in that one.

nutella wrote:

aapje wrote: Based on the writing it sounds like the Pyromancer could very well be on team Azura. First the lynch that hinted at immolation and now him having taught the Pyromancer.

I'm pretty sure LC said he wouldn't reveal stuff like that in the flavor text. I don't think we can assume anything from that.


I'm trying to reason through DH's confidence about SVS. It's possible that he had a check and actually has some information about her alignment. It's also possible he's been Hungered and is being forced to go hard against her. He's been so adamant and stubborn about it that I could see this being the case. Or he could genuinely just really strongly suspect her.

I'm still suspicious of Rey and want to hear more from him today.

Other than that I'm kinda lost for this lynch. I'd like to find Bubbles' teammates but I haven't the first clue how.

timmer wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Caelia wrote:Bullzeye, SVS, Lorab and Scotty are enemies of peace.

Anyone figure this is the result of last night's contest? If so, going by the rules of the contest this should be legit right? Only, with so many names, does this constitute an entire baddie team, theoretically? OR Is this Jay one name from each faction that isn't Caelias? In short what does it all mean? ??

timmer wrote:Bea, no one in this game sucks. Well, maybe DP. But not you.

Regarding Bubbles, I would look more towards the people supporting Bubbles earlier in the game than later on to truly find her teamies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Does Doc Wiggles look bad after this result?

No.

bea wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Open question about S~V~S for those who've played with her often:

Her tunnel vision on Golden was well-documented. Most people didn't seem perturbed by that, and my inclination as an observer without meta was to not be perturbed. However, it should be noted that her case against Golden seemed to be reduced entirely to a single post (in which Golden claimed to have baited the Epi kill).

Golden fought and fought to explain his maneuver and his perspective, but S~V~S never got over that post. Would you folks say that tunnel vision of such a focused sort is normal of S~V~S? Because that is a special sort of tunneling -- instead of hating everything Golden posted, she hated one thing he posted. Enough to drive him over 300 posts defending himself to no avail.

YUP. That's svs with a bone. I've been on the bad end of it too. She was usually wrong, but still it's the way she is. Her behavior here was not at all unexpected from me.

Also - the DH case now that we have it - going after svs is not suprising in hindsight. And nor is her reaction to it.

I"d hoped that DH saw something we didn't see. His case, I'm sorry DH - feels like going after the easy target. especially given that there is a history. It's like how I wasn't suprised that Dom latched onto MP at all.

I know I missed the vote again. Please hosts punish me. I feel so bad about it. I really really do.

You guys I suck this game

bea wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Open question about S~V~S for those who've played with her often:

Her tunnel vision on Golden was well-documented. Most people didn't seem perturbed by that, and my inclination as an observer without meta was to not be perturbed. However, it should be noted that her case against Golden seemed to be reduced entirely to a single post (in which Golden claimed to have baited the Epi kill).

Golden fought and fought to explain his maneuver and his perspective, but S~V~S never got over that post. Would you folks say that tunnel vision of such a focused sort is normal of S~V~S? Because that is a special sort of tunneling -- instead of hating everything Golden posted, she hated one thing he posted. Enough to drive him over 300 posts defending himself to no avail.

YUP. That's svs with a bone. I've been on the bad end of it too. She was usually wrong, but still it's the way she is. Her behavior here was not at all unexpected from me.

Also - the DH case now that we have it - going after svs is not suprising in hindsight. And nor is her reaction to it.

I"d hoped that DH saw something we didn't see. His case, I'm sorry DH - feels like going after the easy target. especially given that there is a history. It's like how I wasn't suprised that Dom latched onto MP at all.

I know I missed the vote again. Please hosts punish me. I feel so bad about it. I really really do.

You guys I suck this game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

bea wrote:so um...that was a really nice catch. maybe it is so maybe not I'm pretty sure dh isn't allowed to confirm it.

Thanks! But if I caught something it was by accident.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Roxy wrote:DP - was very disappointed that he cba,ed to respond to me. I understand why he is getting the votes he has so far.

Sorry, forgot. It'd take some effort for me to come up with 3. But...

TinyBubbles because her posts just feel bad to me.

DH because he hasn't read like himself, and I didn't like the whole situation with Scotty.

Not totally sure who I'd place at #3.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You could always vote DH with me.

I take it you're not impressed with his move against S~V~S? If so, why?

It was a weak read, but I'm more motivated by his claim that he hates the game and refuses to play until after the lynch. I think he's trying to lay low and not give us anything to use against him. It stinks, I tells ya!

Roxy wrote:Rico/Lorab - n/rc or n/n or rc/n etc. I am not sure. What I do think we have hereis a style clash of sorts. I have reallly had no particularly bad vibes from either so I think I will just be watching them both for now. Beside when you watch loran she does this
cute twirly thing.

DH/SVS - I am not feeling DH:s case atm It feels like he just popped up with it so he would have something new to add to the thread to discuss poss bc he was not agreeing with the Bubbles lynch but then he goes on and asks to be voted for. I do not understand this ploy at all.

Bubbles - already stated how I feel about her and her lynch.

DP - was very disappointed that he cba,ed to respond to me. I understand why he is getting the votes he has so far.

Llama vote for DH - I cannot remember much from you inre:DH. is it bc of his asking to be lynched?or his overall play this game?