The Syndicate

I don't like it. Civ-Guilting has never sat well with me. If you're gonna give up and vote for yourself how can you expect me (or anyone) to take you seriously?

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, will you forgive an old crazy sock for doubting you again?

I now see the error of my ways!!!

Uh, sure?

timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: Honestly, I don't think he is confident about anything regarding me. I think he's frustrated that nobody has taken his bait thusfar and now he's resorting to projecting this confidence to get a civvie lynched.
Do ya 'ave any idea why long con 'as been so obseesed wif ya aw game?

I've considered that it may be related to the Day 1 exchange we had. He did say something similar happened with Dom that rather ticked him off. I hope I didn't upset him that much.

And whoever asked (MP or Timmer, I can't be bothered to open another window as I'm typing this :P ) I don't think there is any really solid evidence that puts LC on a baddie team but he could be an indie?

MovingPictures07 wrote:How confident are you about DH, LC, if you put it into a percentage?

And why are you so confident?

Honestly, I don't think he is confident about anything regarding me. I think he's frustrated that nobody has taken his bait thusfar and now he's resorting to projecting this confidence to get a civvie lynched.

Boomslang wrote:
Dom wrote:Note: next time I'm getting heat-- I'll just say I can't play for a week-- no one will vote for me.

(Not saying Bass is lying, I'm just pointing out how dumb that is)
Agreed. In the interest of making Bass a more valid option for discussion and to forestall a Dom bandwagon picking up steam, I'll vote now.

Perhaps most interestingly, Boom voted for Bass over Dom in the Sorcerers vs. Suits lynch. In his own words attempting to halt a Dom bandwagon. Why would he do that for someone who he had been going back and forth with the whole game?

1) Dom and Boomslang have several exchanges starting at D1 despite Dom voting for MetalMarsh and Boomslang voting for me. Despite their exchanges, Dom's vote for Boomslang never really mattered

He voted 16th overall (including host option) in the Day 1 lynch, giving Boom 3 votes when I'd already gotten 5 and MM had 3. Shortly thereafter, Boom voted for MM along with Eloh giving MM 7, pretty much knocking Boom out of the running

The only other time Dom voted for Boom, he voted late again (15th overall) and was one of only two people to do so.

2) Boomslang has made at least two posts that pinged me:

Boomslang wrote:I really am having trouble figuring out what to say this lynch. Obviously, I'm somewhat happy that Dom is getting attention, because I sure as hell don't deserve the tunnel vision hunt he's been throwing my way ever since Day 1. But jumping on that will make me seem bad, so... maybe I better keep my opinions to myself.

And

Boomslang wrote:Caught up, frankly still unsure what's going on. Just let it be noted that Dom has been gunning for me this whole game; I think that burnishes my civvie cred a bit.

The first seems odd, because why would a civ care if they sounded bad if they genuinely thought what they were saying was true?? The second is classic distancing.

3) Boomslang's noncommital votes, as I stated, bug me.

So yeah I can see Boomslang being a Sorcerer.

As a side note, my re-read of Boomslang leads me to think that he's a Sorcerer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
zeek wrote:Hmm... DH, why aren't you gunning for Boom anymore?

MP, that's fine, but I think it makes perfect sense that it was a missed PM or is playing games. Boddy isn't an active player. There was a foiled kill N6 and nobody died last night. He's not been lynched, he HAS to still be around. He's been plenty active up until last night and all the inactives have been as such so since like N1.

linki - eh, why am I responding to trolling.
Because right now the evidence is very strong that SpaceDaisy is bad.
What evidence? You mean the evidence I just talked about and that almost entirely relates to you as well? Come on DH.

The "I'm rubber you're glue" defense isn't doing you or SD any favors. She's a big girl, if you really don't want to see her lynched, maybe you should let her do some defending on her own.

zeek wrote:Hmm... DH, why aren't you gunning for Boom anymore?

MP, that's fine, but I think it makes perfect sense that it was a missed PM or is playing games. Boddy isn't an active player. There was a foiled kill N6 and nobody died last night. He's not been lynched, he HAS to still be around. He's been plenty active up until last night and all the inactives have been as such so since like N1.

linki - eh, why am I responding to trolling.

Because right now the evidence is very strong that SpaceDaisy is bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fair enough.

I still would be fine with a Blooper vote to be honest; I'm just posting what I'm thinking, and realizing that perhaps I was wrong to give you a pass. Since votes are changeable, I can always change it to her, but my gut is really telling me you're bad right now.

LOL, the Epignosis Effect.

Well, sure, if Daisy IS my Narrator. But I've said she isn't, so how will it do me harm if she gets lynched? I'm just being honest with all of you. I can't control whether you guys listen to me or not.

You wouldn't tell us even if she was though, so that point is hollow.

And as you said, votes can change.

Anyway, I think what is happening here is the Epignosis Effect. Your defending Daisy so much is doing way more harm than good given your position.

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I'm willing to be proven wrong with bea, I just REALLY don't get the blind trust of her that's coming from certain people, especially S~V~S who previously said she didn't put much stock in those kinds of things. It doesn't mean I find S~V~S suspicious; this just really confuses me.

Why are you willing to be proven wrong about bea and not Daisy?

Why haven't you brought blooper up at all since the last time you said this:

My biggest suspect at the moment is actually Blooper because I thought timmer illustrated perfectly how she has played an illusive game. I mean, she CLEARLY voted for LC on D5, expecting another throw off vote, and had no idea others were going to follow her -- and based on a ping she had left over from D1. I just don't see how that's a viable reason to vote for someone at this stage.

Honestly dude.

Anyway, I don't always vocalize my thoughts word-for-word for everybody to look at. I'm by no means over Boomslang OR Made, but right now Daisy is the most compelling lynch option.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Let's remember that Snowy voted for his own teammate during the Bass/Dom lynch.

I frankly am starting to wonder if we let a baddie slip by with DH because he's contradicting himself, clearly, and the main reason I even flipped on him was because of Russ, whom no one else seems to believe was hinting.
Sorry?

Cause it seems to me the only reason you've "flipped" on me is because I've brought SD up as a suspect.
No, that is NOT the case.

You said this yesterday, D7:

DharmaHelper wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Almost certain Daisy isn't bad due to my read. Therefore, voting SVS.
This is at least the second time you've straight up avoided making waves with your vote. And why the hell are you voting a practically confirmed Civ?

If I make it out of this lynch I'm gunning 100% for you.
And then during D8 NO MENTION of Boomslang.

Then you give three posts in a row trying to discredit the Suits missed their PM theory:

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Long Con wrote:I answered the questions. Maybe I should have answered the third one about Rush's 'Lunatic Fringe'... Otherwise, I got no result or PM or anything.

It didn't even show who the Suits targeted... maybe they missed the PM?

Linki: Weird insanity there, Timmer.
That's a very astute observation.

Does that mean the two remaining Suits could be someone completely inactive and someone mostly active but just so happened to miss this last PM?
Boddy was at least active the last time they got to kill.

DharmaHelper wrote:Equally possible their target was protected.

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Equally possible their target was protected.
True, but don't failed kills typically show? timmer was shown as the target in the N6 post.
Also equally possible that by not answering the Knights questions, the suits were blocked.
Even though none of them really made sense, since we've seen failed kills before; they always mention the target (see timmer on N6).

This makes me wonder if you're a Suit and you're protecting a non-participant teammate.

You also say all kinds of things and don't follow through with them. You keep saying Made could be bad, let's talk about Made... and now you gun after Daisy today, citing the main reasons are that I am defending her. But I've been defending her for CYCLES now.

Look, I get it, SD is your fiance and probably your narrator. Anybody who looks at your panicked posts today can probably come to the same conclusion that you don't want her lynched, but the facts are stacked against that.

Boomslang is on my radar, as is Made. But right now there is more evidence against SD. Evidence you're ignoring and fueling with your impassioned defense.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Let's remember that Snowy voted for his own teammate during the Bass/Dom lynch.

I frankly am starting to wonder if we let a baddie slip by with DH because he's contradicting himself, clearly, and the main reason I even flipped on him was because of Russ, whom no one else seems to believe was hinting.

Sorry?

Cause it seems to me the only reason you've "flipped" on me is because I've brought SD up as a suspect.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:You guys are going to REALLY regret this.
She is the only living active Dom voter that looks remotely like a suit, do you have any other suggestions?
- juliets
- timmer (even though he was cleared by Sorcerers, he could be a Suit)
- Sabie, Lizzy, or any other low poster (it's OBVIOUS the Suits missed their PM, so if there are 2 of them, 1 of them is definitely a low poster)

What happened to your Made case?

And what happened to everyone wanting to look at Boomslang, including you?

I'm starting to think you're bad again.

Made could be a suit I suppose, and he didn't vote in the Dom/Bass lynch which allows for the "at least one suit missed the vote" theory. I still want to look at him, I still want to look at Boom, but the evidence against SD (including your defending her, No Uing for her, threatening the thread, and her sudden guilt trip) Outweigh that, at least as it stands right now. If SD is lynched and *IS NOT* a suit, that would mean both suits missed the vote, and would tell us a lot.

Timmer, again, voted third for DF. There simply are not enough buses to account for that many teammates throwing other teammates under them.

In fact now that you mention it, during the Made/Llama lynch, SD also voted Llama (a civ). So, that is another point against her.

MovingPictures07 wrote:You guys are going to REALLY regret this.

She is the only living active Dom voter that looks remotely like a suit, do you have any other suggestions?

Voting for Daisy as well. Sorry MP :P

timmer wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote: I am however, fully behind lynching someone inactive at some point. I am looking at Sabie personally.
Garn after la posters at this stage is wot Sorry and Sad guys do.

SD also didn't vote for DF.

timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Mongoose, that's a thought, but it doesn't make sense at all if there are 2 Suits alive IMO.

DH, why are you ruling out the possibility that juliets threw her teammate(s) under the bus? I'm not saying I think that's the case, but it's certainly a possibility, and it lines up with what we've seen from baddies so far.

I DO NOT think Daisy is bad. Now I'm not sure, but she's one of the people I still feel best about.

I honestly am tempted to vote a relatively low participant today since it's clear to me that one of them is a Suit, unless we can get a good idea of who Boddy might be.
You think she threw her teammates under the bus twice? One of those times being the second person to vote for DF?

Not likely.
Juliets would not thra a China Plate under the bus Bo-le Of Glue times?

I fin' the bleedin' people under scrutiny for the bloomin' lynch 're the bloody ones suggestin' we lynch a la poster.

Once, maybe. Twice? Not even close.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Mongoose, that's a thought, but it doesn't make sense at all if there are 2 Suits alive IMO.

DH, why are you ruling out the possibility that juliets threw her teammate(s) under the bus? I'm not saying I think that's the case, but it's certainly a possibility, and it lines up with what we've seen from baddies so far.

I DO NOT think Daisy is bad. Now I'm not sure, but she's one of the people I still feel best about.

I honestly am tempted to vote a relatively low participant today since it's clear to me that one of them is a Suit, unless we can get a good idea of who Boddy might be.

You think she threw her teammates under the bus twice? One of those times being the second person to vote for DF?

Not likely.

Juliets was the second vote for DF and voted for Bass, late. Thus, I doubt she is a suit. She also voted Snowy when she could have easily voted for me to bring the vote at least a little closer. So sorcerer is also not likely.

Funny you should say that SVS. Don't be mad at me but:

Dom
7
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)

1) Long Con - Extremely Anti-Suit, despite never actually voting to lynch a suit as far as I can tell. Was he silenced at one point by the Warden? Could be a team-target but IDK, again, not *really* seeing the baddie LC as much as I had been in the past.

2) Spacedaisy - Likeliest of the Dom voters to actually be a suit, IMO

3) Myself - Civvie

4) Timmer Not likely to be bad at this point, if maybe an indie

5)TH Not likely to be bad at this point

6) SVS Not likely to be bad at this point

7) Snow Dog, Sorcerer and for some reason the last to vote Dom, another Sorcerer) Boddy blackmail? Hatter? Would be an odd coincidence.

So, we know the identity of two of the Suits, with two remaining. Unfortunately, only *one* of the Dom voters fits the profile of a suit with any degree of confidence, and that's Daisy. Since it would be an incredible leap to assume that one suit voted to save Bass and another voted to save Dom, I'm forced to consider the likely scenario that one suit is in fact inactive.

:/

timmer wrote:The only fin' I 'ave noticed is that not wahn of the knock at the Dorothy Lamour knahn baddies voted for dharma 'elper on day wahn.

If Current Ban of the bloomin' knock at the chuffin' Dorothy Lamour baddies voted for dharma 'elper, there is prolly a Robin Hood chance that 'e is Sorry and Sad.

Come on! Building a case that I'm bad based squarely on other peoples votes? :/

I also built cases/discussed suspicion of Bass. I voted for Dom twice, and voted for Snowy.

timmer wrote:Dharma 'elper, wot was your opinion of The bloomin' Cilla Black roxy?

I'm of the opinion that she was the Card Czar. I think she was very eager to jump to Long Cons defense, but she was wrong about me in doing so

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Equally possible their target was protected.
True, but don't failed kills typically show? timmer was shown as the target in the N6 post.

Also equally possible that by not answering the Knights questions, the suits were blocked.

Equally possible their target was protected.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Long Con wrote:I answered the questions. Maybe I should have answered the third one about Rush's 'Lunatic Fringe'... Otherwise, I got no result or PM or anything.

It didn't even show who the Suits targeted... maybe they missed the PM?

Linki: Weird insanity there, Timmer.
That's a very astute observation.

Does that mean the two remaining Suits could be someone completely inactive and someone mostly active but just so happened to miss this last PM?

Boddy was at least active the last time they got to kill.

We had to answer questions? Oops.

timmer wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
timmer wrote:Im pretty hungover, going back to bed. Im liking how this lynch is going though. Snowy is acting like cornered baddie for sure.
LOL, I switched it back. I wanted to see if anybody would panic, even if it was a bit of a cheap move. This should be an interesting lynch.

Uh huh, more like somebody called you on your shit and you decided not to follow through,

timmer wrote:Im pretty hungover, going back to bed. Im liking how this lynch is going though. Snowy is acting like cornered baddie for sure.

Boomslang wrote:Almost certain Daisy isn't bad due to my read. Therefore, voting SVS.

This is at least the second time you've straight up avoided making waves with your vote. And why the hell are you voting a practically confirmed Civ?

If I make it out of this lynch I'm gunning 100% for you.

I too shall place a vote on the Dog of Snow.

Almost done catching up, but I did want to suggest to Russ (And anyone else who might be interested). I myself have been doing some homework looking for baddies and I find that cross-referencing the Bass/Dom lynch with the DF lynch really narrows the baddie field.

DFaraday
9
S~V~S (9), juliets (11), timmer (12), MovingPictures07 (13), bea (14), FZ. (15), Roxy (16), Bass_the_Clever (19), Turnip Head (21)
43%

Dom
7
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)
37%

Long Con (No vote for DF, Early vote for Dom) - Honestly, if LC is bad at this point, he's an indy. I think he's got his wires crossed in regards to me, and considering his blow up after he thought he was being lynched, I would not be surprised if the majority of his case is just him being angry at me for "misrepresenting" him D1.

Spacedaisy - (No vote for DF, Early vote for Dom) Not voting for DF, and being one of the first to vote for Dom indicates two things to me: Firstly, Daisy is likely not a Sorcerer. Secondly, it is possible she is a suit and she deserves a re-read to see if she at any time defended DF or Bass or Made.

Myself - No vote for DF, Early/Mid vote for Dom. I know I'm a civ, so no point.

Timmer (Early vote for DF, Mid vote for Dom) - Given that the Dom/Bass lynch was all hands on deck for both teams, I doubt timmer would have voted for a teammate, so he can't be a sorcerer IMO. Could he be a suit? Not likely, given his early vote for DF.

TH - Voted late for both parties, Killed by suits. Likely civ.

Snow Dog - No vote for DF, Late vote for Dom. Again, given the nature of the Dom lynch, Snow is likely not a Sorcerer. Possible suit.

So my Suitspects are Snow Dog and SpaceDaisy, just going off those deductions.

Russtifinko wrote:Gah! Thought of one more thing. DH, on the Made vote-force thing. I couldn't find the post, but if TH did indeed support Made's vote-force claim, would that not lend it some credence? TH was killed by the Suits on N5, the team you're claiming Made is on.

I'm not disputing whether or not Made's vote was forced. What I'm pointing out is the level of support he got, namely by Bass. TH supporting him, (assuming TH was a civ) warrants some consideration, yeah. But all that means is that one of the people supporting Made was a civ, not that Made is a civ.

I confess to not having kept up with the thread today, but I will do my best to get back into it tomorrow. I will say that Made placing his vote on SVS really solidifies my thoughts on him being up to no good.

Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I still think the Made Case is something to consider. Also, we should look at the Dom/Bass lynch very carefully. Two baddies being the only options, stands to reason that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers voted Bass
Yes, I almost forgot about the case on Made. I remember it being a good one but forget what was said. I will look into that again.

As far as the Dom/Bass lynch...here are the results.

Bass_the_Clever (9 votes) -
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)

Dom (7 votes) -
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)

Only 16 people voted. I assume some of the non voters were baddies. What do y'all think we can glean from this poll?

DH - can you recap you made case or post a link?

It started with his claiming his vote was forced, and the support that he got from people including Bass who we know is a baddie.

juliets wrote:I just want to say when it comes to LC, that hissy fit he threw after he thought he was going to be lynched and before the post, made me believe he is probably good or possibly an indy. I just can't see him doing that if he was bad - he would look like an idiot if he had said that stuff and then been bad. The poorest of poor sports. I understand that some people will see this exactly opposite of me but thats ok. I bring it up just to see if it has any bearing on the way others think about LC.

I also agree that the Made case needs another look. DH, do you remember who made that case? There have been so many cases lately. Taking a look at the Bass/Dom vote again isn't a bad idea either.

Also, has anyone else taken a look at Mongooses posts? There is no substance and that makes me nervous. Also she didn't post for a long period of time - 7 days I think - when she was only supposed to be gone on vacation for 4. Worries me when people don't post for long periods in a game, especially if it's longer than they said they would be not posting. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else has taken a look.

I'm pretty certain I brought Made up as a suspect initially.

I still think the Made Case is something to consider. Also, we should look at the Dom/Bass lynch very carefully. Two baddies being the only options, stands to reason that Suits voted Dom and Sorcerers voted Bass

Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I'm up for a DH lynch for reason previously mentioned. I will listen to other cases however. Let's be rational today folks. Let's not try to be too easily persuaded without really looking at the facts.
You're contradicting yourself, Eloh.
How so?

The case against me is hardly rational :P

Elohcin wrote:I'm up for a DH lynch for reason previously mentioned. I will listen to other cases however. Let's be rational today folks. Let's not try to be too easily persuaded without really looking at the facts.

You're contradicting yourself, Eloh.

Mongoose wrote:In light of Hedgeowl's death, how do we feel about the Tea Party Theorem?

Its wrong, evidently. And now I'm sad :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fair enough, timmer. Thanks for the response. I'll consider it.

I'm curious then: What do people think of juliets, Blooper, zeek, Daisy, Elo, and Russ? Those were the later voters in the stages of yesterday, and most of them voted for LC, but not all of them.

I'll be busier today, but I'll be back probably before D7 starts. If people want to wait until then to discuss, that's fine too.

Study the DF lynch and the Dom/Bass Lynch, and I think you'll see a number of those names also come up.

Good thing I checked the dang poll.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.
LMAO
LOL why is this so funny?

Is Lizzy Voldemort?

The "is playing" part slayed me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.

LMAO

I was just tampering with a project of mine and actually said the words "this game has been designed to give participating players a distinct competitive advantage over non-participating players" and then I died a little inside.

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I'm just going to go ahead and vote LC off of what pinged me in the first place (getting after reywaS for being defensive and voting for him so early), as well as more recent events. The back and forth between him and DH makes me think that LC was actually being quite defensive (more than necessary). He also seemed to be digging at DH's supposed "mudslinging then backing off," but I found DH's defense of himself to be sound (one can suspect something, then back off when it's proven by others or situations that that suspicion might be unfounded). Although DH can be a master of deception, from my little experience with him, he doesn't give me the baddie vibes today (he was more lighthearted and less argumentative when I played with him in Misfits). Anyway, that's what pings me the most Day 1, so I'll be going with that.
Here's a post from Nijuu. Defensive of DH from the get-go.
Yeah pretty neat how I defended you from that bandwagon and named her as my top suspect aint it.
Re the first post: Sorry I forgot to thank you for your sympathies regarding the last lynch. It's true I have been focusing on myself too much, and not giving appreciation to guys like you who, despite being on opposite sides of the Mafia melee, can keep it real like that and recognize some unusual craziness.

Re the second post: Yes, I know. It's a point to think about. I went back to search her posts to see if she was actually suspecting me for just the Rey vote on Day One, and I found that defense of you interesting enough to share.

And I could be wrong, and she's a Civ, and she just legit suspects me, and you are fine with taking her down because she's not on your team. Or you're teammates, and your recent post was high-quality distancing. I am trying not to be biased with my opinion on that one, not because I'm unsure of your baddieness, but because I'm unsure of Nijuu's connection to you.

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 22#p108122

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 22#p108132

Admittedly, I should have elaborated on the first post.

Long Con wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:I'm just going to go ahead and vote LC off of what pinged me in the first place (getting after reywaS for being defensive and voting for him so early), as well as more recent events. The back and forth between him and DH makes me think that LC was actually being quite defensive (more than necessary). He also seemed to be digging at DH's supposed "mudslinging then backing off," but I found DH's defense of himself to be sound (one can suspect something, then back off when it's proven by others or situations that that suspicion might be unfounded). Although DH can be a master of deception, from my little experience with him, he doesn't give me the baddie vibes today (he was more lighthearted and less argumentative when I played with him in Misfits). Anyway, that's what pings me the most Day 1, so I'll be going with that.
Here's a post from Nijuu. Defensive of DH from the get-go.

Yeah pretty neat how I defended you from that bandwagon and named her as my top suspect aint it.

I just checked, and switching my vote (Don't worry, I switched it right back) Fucks up the voting order. Guess I have more homework to do than I thought

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