The Syndicate

Matahari wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Matahari wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:First, a question for the Host

Do you indicate in your failed lynch posts precisely which player was lynched or is the "Sockface writes player X's name in the Lynch Note" flavour?

The player is indicated, apologies for it not being more clear.

Turnip Head, Metalmarsh89, and Matahari have all survived one lynch attempt.

Thanks for that, at least I know for sure now. Someone was up to some shenanigans yesterday, and it wasn't me

If you've decided not to defend yourself based on the premise of "How can I possibly convince people they are wrong about me in a game where one of the most important things to do is try and convince people who suspect you that they are wrong about you." You can at least drop the fake-civvie act. You certainly dropped the "Praise Ukita" act quickly enough.

Join your buddy MM in reveling in your baddieness.

See what I mean?

I can't defend against 'civvies or baddies would do this and do that' Its good reasoning to notice or watch someone, but not such a good reason to be 100% sure about them. And things can be orchestrated, like me surviving? Pish, I had nothing to do with that. All I can do is plead the Bea defense, lynch me and you'll see.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey DH, who are you voting tomorrow?

Matahari wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:First, a question for the Host

Do you indicate in your failed lynch posts precisely which player was lynched or is the "Sockface writes player X's name in the Lynch Note" flavour?

The player is indicated, apologies for it not being more clear.

Turnip Head, Metalmarsh89, and Matahari have all survived one lynch attempt.

Thanks for that, at least I know for sure now. Someone was up to some shenanigans yesterday, and it wasn't me

MovingPictures07 wrote:As of this post, this game is 1,066 posts away from surpassing Doctor Who as our largest mafia game thread of all time.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm definitely considering the BTSC angle. They've had it since at least Night 5, and possibly earlier than that. Also notice how Mata recently had a sudden clarity about a bunch of people she thinks are civs, and was totally okay talking openly about those reads, unprovoked by anyone to do so.... despite her later claims of not wanting to discuss who she thinks is civ because it would put targets on their backs. Who would want to rattle off a list of civs like that? Probably a baddie who had recently gained BTSC with (almost) her entire team. Probably a baddie trying to gain the trust of the people she named as civs.

As for the drunken bea angle, the easy answer is that it was Marshy's idea.

Sudden clarity? Thats funny. I have read a few posts about me not posting much, and I do a list at some point in every game. Nothing new or unusual here. Discussing good vs bad, or civ vs mafia is what we do. Even if no one wants to read it, I don't need an invitation to post my thoughts on players as I get them. My list is kind of weak, but it might get stronger as the game goes on. I don't know about the BTSC angle, you said you know which night they had it- well I don't. I am not a part of this 'they'.

Misa Amane (Second Kira) ...
She gains BTSC with Light after one of their Death Notes has been relinquished or taken by Sidoh, or after the end of Night 5, whichever comes first.

Nice catch there Rico. You've been paying attention.

Did that accusation by me really ruffle that many feathers BTS?

Was there an accusation from you in there somewhere? I don't understand what you're talking about.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm definitely considering the BTSC angle. They've had it since at least Night 5, and possibly earlier than that. Also notice how Mata recently had a sudden clarity about a bunch of people she thinks are civs, and was totally okay talking openly about those reads, unprovoked by anyone to do so.... despite her later claims of not wanting to discuss who she thinks is civ because it would put targets on their backs. Who would want to rattle off a list of civs like that? Probably a baddie who had recently gained BTSC with (almost) her entire team. Probably a baddie trying to gain the trust of the people she named as civs.

As for the drunken bea angle, the easy answer is that it was Marshy's idea.

Sudden clarity? Thats funny. I have read a few posts about me not posting much, and I do a list at some point in every game. Nothing new or unusual here. Discussing good vs bad, or civ vs mafia is what we do. Even if no one wants to read it, I don't need an invitation to post my thoughts on players as I get them. My list is kind of weak, but it might get stronger as the game goes on. I don't know about the BTSC angle, you said you know which night they had it- well I don't. I am not a part of this 'they'.

Misa Amane (Second Kira) ...
She gains BTSC with Light after one of their Death Notes has been relinquished or taken by Sidoh, or after the end of Night 5, whichever comes first.

Nice catch there Rico. You've been paying attention.

Matahari wrote:I just want to say thank you to Ukita. I'm not sure which of us you were trying to pardon, but I'll take it

Matahari wrote:

juliets wrote:mata, i don't know if it matters but we were all quoting the question then answering.

sorry, I was too late time to catch up properly

Matahari wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 10:
How many kills have failed?

zero

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 8:
Who receives the Death Note if Misa, Higuchi, or Mikami are lynched and currently possess it?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:You haven't been keeping up with your own thought process?

Not really with this game.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

juliets wrote:TH, regarding your wanting to return to discussion on MM, can you link to your case on him? Or just maybe mention the major points about him and that will jar my memory.

Click this post and then keep reading down the page. Just read and absorb, form your own opinion, then come back to my analysis here...



Eventually MM makes a list of Kira suspects that fit a profile he seemed to have created on the fly... and until today, after being prompted by Bea herself to do so, he hasn't voted for or pursued any of those suspects. The question I ask myself is, is he even interested in catching Kira? The evidence says no.

I would love to point to the other times I tried to engage with MM in the same way as I did above, but after that exchange he tended to outright ignore my direct questions to him, skulking away into the shadows, only to accuse me yesterday of not bringing up any points about him. When I proved him wrong on that, he scurried back into the shadows once again. Hah!

I agree with a lot of stuff thats being talked about because of this post. I find it odd that MM had all those suspects and didn't really question any of them or vote any till pressed to. I will be voting MM today because of this.

Sorrry I just got off the road and realized I had to vote so now I'm going to bed . good night.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

boo wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I not sure who to vote for yet. I'm going to think about it, and come back to vote later.

Does anyone else find it strange that Made forgot the one of the Sympathizers was dead? It almost makes me wonder if he could be Yotsuba and their secret win condition isn't effected by having the Sympathizers dead.

Ok, well. I did a read of Bass now.

Of 50 posts, this is the only one I want to quote, but first, most of his posts are:
1) Telling us he's getting caught up.
2) Telling us he has caught up.
3) Saying goodbye to the person who gets killed.
4) Telling us he's currently busy and well get caught up later.
5) Quoting people and offering a one or two sentence thought.
6) Quoting people he agrees with and using their reason to vote.
7) Voting without quoting, and just vaguely saying he agrees with the suspicion.

So, bass, questions for you:
1) Can you name the 3 people your most suspicious of and think you will vote for today.
2) Without quoting people, can you give reasons why you think those 3 people are the most suspicious? And I do mean reasons, not just saying Person A, Person B, and Person C, because they're suspicious.
3) We know you were right that Made was Yotsuba. Do you still think the reason Made seemed to have forgot a Sympathizer was dead was because it wasn't important to his win condition?

Well my top three are
1. TH
2. MM
3. The llama

I might be wrong or missed somethings in the thread because of how crazy RL has been and how crazy this game has been but those are the top 3.

The reason for the top two is because of them surviving the lynches. I know their are roles that aren't kiras that can survive but why should we just give them a free pass because of that.

The llama because he asked a question that made me raise my eye brow. he asked who would kill S~V~S and LC. It made me raise my brow because I asked almost the same question in zelda mafia only I asked, who would kill S~V~S and MP? The answer was lama so I think its possible that he would take those players out early here.

With made I think it might make sense because we don't know what their win conditions are.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

0.

Correct.

Not one of Kira and His Sympathizers shares a win condition with any other.

You may not answer any more questions. A new question is forthcoming.

FZ. wrote:Any idea what to answer? I need to go to bed and I haven't answered yet

FZ. wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

You're enjoying this, aren't you?


linki: Why do you think it's obvious I'm not bad, BR?

Although earlier in the game I thought you were possibly bad your posts as of late read desperate civvie. Especially this past days posts. You do not sound like a baddie trying to claw your way out of a hole. You sound like a very tired civ.

Fair enough. And what do you think about Mata? Especially now that she wasn't lynched?

linki: Get out of my head DH

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:BR, why did you basically waste a vote?

I wasn't feeling a FZ or Matahari lynch.

Since Mata survived her lynch does that affect your thought process in any way?

I'll have to get back to you on that one. I want to look over a few things before I answer that.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?

What?

Why did you vote for MM using almost the exact reasoning of TH, who you are now claiming is your top suspect?

I'm not sure.

Black Rock wrote:

FZ. wrote:BR, why did you basically waste a vote?

I wasn't feeling a FZ or Matahari lynch.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 6:
How many members of Kira and His Sympathizers have the same win condition?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?

What?

Why did you vote for MM using almost the exact reasoning of TH, who you are now claiming is your top suspect?

I'm not sure.

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Where did her boo suspicion go? Where did her llama suspicion go? B-A-D-D-I-E

My Boo suspicion was in the Fing post you quoted. If you are so sure then bloody well lynch me and be done with it. I could explain myself, but not to you, you don't care what I say anyways.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

Can I ask why you voted for MM based on the suspicions of your top suspect?

What?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

We have lynched 1 Sympathizer who turned up a clue. Let's not assume he is the only sympathizer with a secret win con. Why else would Takada's vote be worth extra for voting Misa (and vice versa). See what I'm saying?

Linki: @ DH If I remember correctly, secret win conditions are only revealed to the player they are for, and no one else.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

The Kira win conditions aren't secret though.

7 Yotsuba +1 Snowman +1 Sidoh.

What about the detectives? There are still roles that haven't been completely revealed

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:If anyone wants me to answer this, let me know, because I want to go to sleep.


Bass, why did you vote for TH?

Because he was my top suspect yesterday and I didn't have time to catch up on the thread today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:7 Yotsuba + 7 Sympathizers + 1 Sidoh = 15.

Don't call it fact, but that is my best guess.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?

If it were me answering this question I would remember that all of Yotsuba have secret win conditions, as well as Snowmans secret win condition.

So probably at least 15.

That doesn't account for any of the detectives though...

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 5:
How many players were given secret win conditions at the start of the game?

Epignosis wrote:Someone please say "Six."

Metalmarsh89 wrote:DH, are you gonna guess on this one?

Or FZ?

thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 3:
How many players have already satisfied their win conditions?

1

Incorrect.

You may not answer any more questions. A new player may attempt to answer this question.

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:What the hell? All I can make of this is that someone's vote was worth a lot more and I ended up being the lynched one

Sockface wrote down Matahari's name in the Lynch Note. He waited. 40... 39...

Is that really what you make of this?

Where are you quoting this from?
In any case, I just went to look at the roles. I don't see a way I could be right about what I said, so I guess she's another unlynchable role.

MP, is there a point to the lynches? :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:

zeek wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 2:
How many Death Notes can possibly enter into circulation?

4?

Incorrect.

You may not answer any more questions. A new player may attempt to answer this question.

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Can I suggest we also try not to just spit guesses at MP.

I was not spitting guesses. I also thought of saying two, but wanted to check if maybe it's just one (aka Misa's DN was relinquished). I think the right answer is still revealing in that regard, by the way.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show

Question 1:
How many Death Notes are currently in circulation?

One.

Incorrect.

You may not answer any more questions. A new player may attempt to answer this question.

FZ. wrote:What the hell? All I can make of this is that someone's vote was worth a lot more and I ended up being the lynched one

Sockface wrote down Matahari's name in the Lynch Note. He waited. 40... 39...

DH, why did you wait for me to say I'm pinged by BR's vote to say it yourself?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Hi FZ, I'm here. I've been following along. I was sick on Monday and busy yesterday and got distracted by the other game.

I don't think FZ is bad. I've been sitting on the fence trying to decide if I believe FZ or Epig. I believe FZ now. I don't think Epig is a detective and I don't believe he's even trying to pretend to be good. Is he a Kira? Maybe? I am going to vote Epig today. He's the one I feel the most strongly of right now.

I have been back and forth with Boo all game. Right now I don't trust him.

I'm taking my 5 year old out for a special dinner now, I'll be back later and I'll put some real time into this game tonight. I'm voting now though.

KNEW IT

What did you know?

Black Rock wrote:Hi FZ, I'm here. I've been following along. I was sick on Monday and busy yesterday and got distracted by the other game.

I don't think FZ is bad. I've been sitting on the fence trying to decide if I believe FZ or Epig. I believe FZ now. I don't think Epig is a detective and I don't believe he's even trying to pretend to be good. Is he a Kira? Maybe? I am going to vote Epig today. He's the one I feel the most strongly of right now.

I have been back and forth with Boo all game. Right now I don't trust him.

I'm taking my 5 year old out for a special dinner now, I'll be back later and I'll put some real time into this game tonight. I'm voting now though.

FZ. wrote:I'm at work, so I can't make this long.

llama, I don't get how my actions sound less genuine than my words. I avoided the hinting until I found a very good reason to do so. If the baddies actually know one another at some point in the game, then they will know that others who can't be lynched have civvie roles, and will hence know my role. Once you lynch me, it will be in the open, so it doesn't matter if I say it or not, and this is the point in time when I thought that the reasons used to get me lynched would actually be compelling enough to get me lynched.
If I'd been a baddie that can't be lynched, I wouldn't have cared if I were lynched, because the civvies would be too confused to figure out when I can or can't be lynched. But with the civvie roles that can't be lynched, it might be a lot easier to figure out when they could be lynched, so I was trying to not go there. Maybe I shouldn't have done it anyway, and just waited to see if I was the one getting the most votes, but I'm so sick of defending myself, that I thought that if I said it, it would actually make a difference.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you can honestly say that had they been a civvie accused for 8 days, they wouldn't have lost it by now? (Just a small reminder: Epi snapped quite early (assuming he's good, Bea snapped relatively fast). I think I should get a medal for keeping it up for so long.