The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, I would bet there's at least one baddie in the original voters for Russ.

Hold that thought.

I eagerly await your clarification.

And I'm sorry I've suspected you off and on all game. I'm starting to believe my fears were unfounded.

MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, I would bet there's at least one baddie in the original voters for Russ.

nijuukyugou wrote:Dammit dammit dammit my stupid post got lost...let's try to remember it, even though it was a jumbled mess of tired thoughts

Okay. So I've been reading the thread in spurts as I was able tonight (multitasking and whatnot). The main thing that I noticed was how many times the suspicions/majority votes seemed to change. Interesting theories on quiet/inactive players, and some nastiness along the way which was unfortunate. I am running on 2-3 hours of sleep from last night and I have been fighting the urge to fall asleep where I am all day. That being said, while I see some interesting cases, and I'd like to check the validity of this sudden popular vote on Russ, I am far too tired to do so, and I am not comfortable voting without checking. So at the risk of spreading the vote/looking like whatever, I'm going to vote LC, because my opinion on him hasn't changed. Might look at the whole changing aspect of people's opinions/votes tonight when I'm more awake, might not. Sleep will tell. Sleeeeeep.

So good night, good luck, and I hope the outcome is favorable. And I hope I made some semblance of sense above

Boomslang wrote:MP argues that we don't need to kill him to win. However, we don't need him alive to win, and his unknown qualities worry me. Voting MP

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, can you elaborate on Made?

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:That said, I won't put too much cart before horse, but I really think Russ is a better way to go over DH and Snowy right now.

Snowy, consider the points I've illustrated. Don't you find it weird the way Russ voted Boomslang if he thought the cases on him and DF were "equally weak"? Don't you find it weird that he voted for Bass over Dom if he was pinged by Dom and not Bass? Don't you find it weird that he thought DH was pretty sketchy on D1, but gradually backed off "giving him more time", and now finds him "very genuine" and thinks it doesn't make sense to act the way he is if he's bad?

I tell you what, I think Russ is bad. I really do.

Yeah could be . You've been sure before though.

Sure, of course, and I could be wrong. I just think Russ's posts tell a story, and the story is that he could definitely be on either team. And he certainly isn't baddie hunting.

If you think your vote should go elsewhere, that's fine, it's your vote.

zeek wrote:LOL MP

I asked you who you think the final Suit is because I didn't agree Russ is likely one. I asked DH because I wanted to see his answer, as I suspect he is a Suit. Trying to work through the possibilities.

But whatever, vote for me. I dare you :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:So looking over Russ's posts:

- Thinks DH is sketchy on D1
- Thinks the case on Made is good on D2, misses the vote
- Says he suspects people who say "I'm a civ" and similar on D3
- Voted Boomslang on D3, saying that Made is cleared and is inclined to "give DH more time"
- He says the case on DF is "no stronger than the one on Boomslang" D3
- He even clarified and said they are "equally weak" but his "gut" leans Boomslang when I was asking him about it
- Got pinged by Dom on D4 but expressed he didn't want to vote for either player.... BUT THEN votes Bass on D4
- Isn't sure about me since I got outed, votes Dom even though he hates voting for outed players D5
- Then there's his post on the last page...



votes Russtifinko

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And what do people think of Russtifinko this game?

Who? He's playing?

He just posted on the last page.

He can't have THAT many posts. I might even reread them myself.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And what do people think of Russtifinko this game?

Long Con wrote:

zeek wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:Voted. nothing will change my mind. His reply to me only served to prove he is bad. Now I am a bitch - well thanks Snow! I think you are quite peachy! <3

it's you get when you call me scummy.

On some other site I think "scum" is synonymous with "mafia."

Yeah. "He's scummy." "He's a baddie". "He's totally evil"

Synonymous. No offense should be taken, I consider these regular game terms.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Honestly whatever. I'm fine with getting lynched in this game. My Hedge thing was not an attempt to get any attention anywhere.

If anything recent days just proves what I already thought. Mafia is no longer fun for me.

You've had fun with me, haven't you?

zeek wrote:Except when it's lynching a Suit, DH, then he won't vote with the majority.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If we vote out Hedgeowl will that make you feel better? :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

Honestly whatever. I'm fine with getting lynched in this game. My Hedge thing was not an attempt to get any attention anywhere.

If anything recent days just proves what I already thought. Mafia is no longer fun for me.

Don't get upset, DH, it's certainly an interesting theory. I just find it very unlikely, although I did entertain that writing a role where someone has to avoid the thread would be incredibly intriguing (but incredibly unconventional). I just feel like your gameplay this game has been very subtly pushing in a way that can be conceived as nefarious -- your change from suspecting Llama voters (Bass) to Dom during the Bass/Dom lynch after a Dom vote got traction, your Made is lying argument that almost got someone lynched due to being targeted by a power, etc.

I have considered that you've been genuine all game, which is why I keep going back and forth, but I keep going back to the thought that there's a very real possibility that you're bad. And you have possible connections to known and suspected baddies that could be proven or unproven after your lynch.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I especially always feel sad when someone says that and they're an engaging, participant player. I don't know what's going on in this game lately with people threatening to quit or not having fun, but I know mafia can be a very frustrating game. Especially when 5 people effectively aren't playing. But I don't understand how letting that defeat us or take the fun out of the game is constructive. I personally think Epig has set up an incredibly engaging game for all of us, and even if I lose now I have had a blast this game. But maybe that's just me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

S~V~S wrote:Where??

Long Con wrote:I'll fix that:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?

There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.

You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

Some Motherfucker wrote:Smart players, when mudslinging, will have a way out of it if it comes back on them.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?

There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.

Long Con wrote:I'd like to hear some opinions from whoever comes around. Who believes this:

DharmaHelper wrote:Close to 90% of my Day 1 antics were a ploy. I was concerned at first that I would be caught out, and the facade ruined (particularly with INH's post, and several posts pointing out how strange and/or funny I had been acting). Yes, a ploy. Built carefully with one goal in mind: The careful observation of the reactions to my plot. One in particular caught my eye. I hinted only once at this falsehood, when I mentioned the sweet irony of the similarity of this game to Misfits mafia.

This being a Championship game, and an opportunity to reflect on our past victories, I decided to play this game (for at least day one) in as much of a contrast to my Misfits game as possible. Where in Misfits I was the rational, careful and plucky manipulator, I decided here to abandon that strategy and go balls out.

One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made.

I strikes me as pretty ridiculous. DH decides to play a direct contrast to his Misfits game as a ploy to expose the "one man" who should have "seen through his facade", Made? Who here thinks that's a reasonable thing to expect? This is 100% BS in my opinion, and I'd like to know who agrees or disagrees with me.

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:First thing that pops out at me is Long Con's stance during the Made suspicion. He felt strongly enough about it to quit the contest, and aside from that drop his bullheaded suspicion of me for a day.

I dropped the suspicion of you? I just looked - I have three posts during that time. In the first, I voted for you. In the second, I reiterate my suspicion of you "I still suspect DH quite a bit and if you wanna lynch him, I'll be there. I just feel like the Made thing has more solidity."

He even brought up the idea that people steering the convo away from Made might be Made's teammates. And as I'm typing this, I'm remembering that Bass was in fact one of the Made defenders, and turned out to be a suit. So in addition to pointing out what I originally wanted to point out, which was that Long Con's shift from "Made is looking more bad than DH and its possible he might have teammates here defending him." to "Nothing I plan on pursuing unless Made flips bad" again illustrates his double standard suspicion of me.

If we find out Made is bad, then it would still be a good idea to look at those people. I thought it then and I think it now, thanks for reminding me of that. You're really going all out here, you're a very eloquent word-twister. Now you make me have to disprove what you said.

What I'm saying is, according to your logic finding out Made is bad would warrant looking into llama voters. But we KNOW Bass was bad, so why does that not warrant looking into Made?

There's no double-standard because there was no "shift" in what you described. I said it's possible Made's defenders were teammates, and that I wouldn't be going after them unless Made flipped bad. That's one complete thought.

You know what else is one complete thought? "I find it odd that this phrase which I hadn't heard before was used twice in one game in such a short time but its nothing I would put a vote behind." That is the double standard I have described.

Since there were A LOT of people on my junk about the llama voters and how they couldn't see Made being bad unless he/someone who defended him flipped bad, what are our thoughts now that Bass has indeed flipped bad? Does this, combined with Mades absence, thrust him back into discussion? I think it's certainly a point against him.

That's actually a pretty good point. Worth looking into. Thanks.

Long Con wrote:Where your logic is backwards: You said "A Civ LC would be worried about Made getting framed", and that's exactly what happened. I was worried that could be, and so I posted a clarification post before I left for work, so that anyone who was inclined could get more information. The baddie move would have been to not post anything, and let the original supposition stand. If I didn't post that out of concern that Made was being framed... then why else would I post it?

Why indeed. WIFOM? Yet another ironic thing for you to say given your umbrage with my posts/concerns of being misrepresented.

Ha ha ha, WIFOM. Ok. Also, I don't see any irony from the idea that I was upset about you misrepresenting me... how does the idea that I did a WIFOM create irony there?


You were all up in my joint about my posts RE: Dom and my posts insisting that I wasn't making a case based on my Misfits comment or my comments to Rey/SVS. And then you go and make the same type of comments. You don't see the irony there?

I dropped the suspicion of you? I just looked - I have three posts during that time. In the first, I voted for you. In the second, I reiterate my suspicion of you "I still suspect DH quite a bit and if you wanna lynch him, I'll be there. I just feel like the Made thing has more solidity."

zeek wrote:bea, my wand vote doesn't look good, you're right, but that was only in reaction to the unwarranted and unexplained trust MP was receiving for it. I believe I initially voted LC maybe, don't quote me on it, but Dom had a vote more so I switched hoping somebody would turn up or swap over. I was just worried about MP getting it.

Snow Dog, I really hope you reconsider. Maybe take a break and see how you feel?

I'm a bit annoyed today thinking about all the players who've simply not shown up this game. Likelihood is they're all disinterested civs who are missing a great game and making it seriously hard for the rest of us.

Long Con wrote:Where your logic is backwards: You said "A Civ LC would be worried about Made getting framed", and that's exactly what happened. I was worried that could be, and so I posted a clarification post before I left for work, so that anyone who was inclined could get more information. The baddie move would have been to not post anything, and let the original supposition stand. If I didn't post that out of concern that Made was being framed... then why else would I post it?

Long Con wrote:

timmer wrote:I tend to get blinded by DH being DH. Basically, I look at the now epic-length back and forth between him and Long Con, and I feel like LC is the one who started out in the wrong, all the way back to his Day 1 vote for rey, which I believe DH called him on. And that's where the tie to SD started as well. Since then, DH has been fairly consistent in his posting about LC, and so since I feel like there is a good chance LC is bad, I feel that it makes a bigger chance DH isn't.

That said, I could definitely see an indy DH here. I'm just not seeing a baddie DH, but like I said at the start, I'm not very good at reading through his game.

I love the way you keep pushing a legitimate Day 1 vote to try and paint me up as a baddie. Spoiler Alert: It was just a Day One vote on a Day One suspicion. It was real, and it wasn't a scheme of any sort.

Lots of stuff has happened in the game, coming back to a Day One vote for your suspicions is really weak.

Timmer's quote above reminds me of DFaraday's:

DFaraday wrote:I also am wary of DH, but I've never been able to read him.

We're going to find out DH is a baddie, and I do believe it's going to be happening today, unless I've read the thread wrong. There's nowhere else at all I'd like to place my vote, so DH it is.

If somehow this lynch ends up going away from DH, I'll consider the other options and vote accordingly. *votes DharmaHelper*

I have played an exceptionally transparent game, IMO.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox and everyone else, think about my actions.

If I was playing an Indy game, why the hell would I have risked outing Dom? It makes NO sense whatsoever.

My posts aren't irritated indy, they're irritated indy who has played civ-friendly all game and now is finding that absolutely no one trusts him whatsoever.

All I was asking is that my opinion is considered, like anyone else's. I'm not saying I'm infallible. I'm not saying anything even remotely like that. But if no one is even going to consider my opinion as possibly valid, then that's fine, but I won't bother building cases. Would you? It's a waste of my time.

It's everyone's irrational fear of Indies that is causing me to stop building cases, not that I'm not playing a civ-friendly game.

What keeps pinging me is that you keep saying you outed dom - which is wrong - TH did. That and your not so veiled threats. I might feel better about you if it werenkt for those pesky secretsinyour role description.

Long Con wrote:

zeek wrote:I believe the last two Suits are either her, DH or Snowy. Your point about her suspecting LC (in theory a teammate) a little but not too hard, works if DH is her teammate as well, as he was in her Top 3 Suspects but saying she's just unsure about him.

If Daisy is a Suit, then DH is her teammate. Note that in all DH's grand interesting colourful post, he didn't touch on what I consider to be the most damning baddie indicator, the DFaraday connection.

Long Con wrote:I don't see how proving "hypocrisy" equates with the suspicions against you being wrong.

Long Con wrote:

I stand by everything I said. Your comparisons to denote hypocrisy are weak... are you trying to wipe your record clean of the accusations I put out there, so you can move forward in this lynch bereft of suspicion? Or are you trying to make me look like I'm a baddie because you can twist my words to look like they have something in common with your words... so I'm a baddie like you?