The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Ricochet wrote:JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Am I missing something with these polls clearly denoting the positions that people are voting for? Didn't the poll change in Recruitment depending on positions that were already picked?

I'm fairly sure that every Night poll having five options denotes positions 1 to 5, whatever the options actually are.

Ricochet wrote:JJJ claims he's not Duncan and the N0 poll was restricted to just five roles, of which one is confirmed not included in the game. Bit hard for the signaling tactic to work. The rest of the night polls aren't helpful for signaling anymore, except if JJJ would have wanted to signal that he wants the Bears to win the Super Bowl - but he didn't even vote on N1, according to my sheets. So...

What you say about the position force is the one thing that creates doubt for me, as well.

The last part about JJJ not voting Pos. 1 on N2 (or ever) sounds a bit like Recruitment mentality: I expect my opponent to plunge towards / lobby for the position that advantages him the most. M'dunno.

Sorsha wrote:RIP guys

Here is HB's last rainbow list. I wonder what would happen if he hid behind Epignosis/an Independant?

I don't know how his views on many of these players changed after LoRab flipped bad.

HamburgerBoy wrote:New rainbow time!

Ricochet

golden
Draconus

Matt
MetalMarsh
SpaceDaisy/Bea
Boomslang
LoRab

juliets
Epignosis
Bass_the_Clever/motel room
nijuukyugou
thellama73

Long Con
Elohcin/FZ
DharmaHelper
DrWilgy
MacDougall
Black Rock
Tranq

JaggedJimmyJay
Sorsha

Dom

motel room wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Guys I think a role has been discovered but I'm not sure.

Lol

Wow sucks for HB. Who would he have hidden behind?

Who looked towniest after the LoRab flip?

S~V~S wrote:And To think it all could have been avoided if Hamburger Boy had hidden behind a civvie

It basically says he hid behind Epi

MacDougall wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

S~V~S wrote:A role has been revealed!

Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE:

On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

Hmm, I wonder?

What are you wondering about?

Which player was recently not lynched?

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Guys I think a role has been discovered but I'm not sure.

Lol

Wow sucks for HB. Who would he have hidden behind?

Who looked towniest after the LoRab flip?

I would have said Epignosis? Or perhaps Golden? What do you think?

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Guys I think a role has been discovered but I'm not sure.

Lol

Wow sucks for HB. Who would he have hidden behind?

Draconus wrote:God Dammit I hate my phone sometimes I had 3 tabs open after holding down "jump to post" on 3 of his quotes. 2 of them failed to take me to the correct post/page. This one worked, though so I'll leave it with a comment until I'm back in front of a working computer.

DharmaHelper wrote:

It doesn't have to have civvie written all over it. It has "bangwagon" written all over it, and it's a common component of any active end of day sequence. If your resistance was purely a matter of your perspective, I think you're wrong. I don't get a vibe of resistance from your posts as much as "Haha, these people are doing something that I can easily capitalize on, I'd better start yelling."

Patently false. With an hour and a half to go I come into the thread to see that the 3rd place (if even that?) vote option has been propelled into first place, and I'm supposed to do what exactly? Let this spontanious bandwagon lynch someone I don't suspect? Am I supposed to ignore that the votes couldn't be more suspicious if they came attached to confessions? Am I supposed to see Tranq and Motel Room literally vote for LoRab for zero reason and think "Ah heck that's fine." Fuck that noise. End day bandwagons are common components? Maybe where you come from. Where I come from, if someone goes from the position LoRab was in before to the position she was in after, under the circumstances that occured, something's fucked up with that. There is no innocent way to explain that. At all. Zero. None. So when I see that, I'm not going to NOT point it out in the thread, am I? I'm not going to sit quietly and let a civvie get lynched. That's the kind of stunt people pull when they expect no resistance, they expect no one to be in the thread hollering and pointing out the bullshit. Not in my house.

So, here we have DH getting pretty upset at the Lorab bandwagoners. His notably aggressive attitude towards them pings me here. On top of that this not the first example of this scenario. Refer to Day 3.0 when Jay and Lorab were tied with quite a few votes each. DH came in, voted for Jay, and said "what's this bandwagon fuckery?" Or something to that affect. Anyway, he has consistently voiced his opinion that Lorab is innocent and looks good to him. He has also actively and aggressively defended her on multiple occasions. That being said, DH has my vote for the next day.

Ooh linkitis. You've been busy Jay. Good to see you motivated again

Draconus wrote:God Dammit I hate my phone sometimes I had 3 tabs open after holding down "jump to post" on 3 of his quotes. 2 of them failed to take me to the correct post/page. This one worked, though so I'll leave it with a comment until I'm back in front of a working computer.

DharmaHelper wrote:

It doesn't have to have civvie written all over it. It has "bangwagon" written all over it, and it's a common component of any active end of day sequence. If your resistance was purely a matter of your perspective, I think you're wrong. I don't get a vibe of resistance from your posts as much as "Haha, these people are doing something that I can easily capitalize on, I'd better start yelling."

Patently false. With an hour and a half to go I come into the thread to see that the 3rd place (if even that?) vote option has been propelled into first place, and I'm supposed to do what exactly? Let this spontanious bandwagon lynch someone I don't suspect? Am I supposed to ignore that the votes couldn't be more suspicious if they came attached to confessions? Am I supposed to see Tranq and Motel Room literally vote for LoRab for zero reason and think "Ah heck that's fine." Fuck that noise. End day bandwagons are common components? Maybe where you come from. Where I come from, if someone goes from the position LoRab was in before to the position she was in after, under the circumstances that occured, something's fucked up with that. There is no innocent way to explain that. At all. Zero. None. So when I see that, I'm not going to NOT point it out in the thread, am I? I'm not going to sit quietly and let a civvie get lynched. That's the kind of stunt people pull when they expect no resistance, they expect no one to be in the thread hollering and pointing out the bullshit. Not in my house.

So, here we have DH getting pretty upset at the Lorab bandwagoners. His notably aggressive attitude towards them pings me here. On top of that this not the first example of this scenario. Refer to Day 3.0 when Jay and Lorab were tied with quite a few votes each. DH came in, voted for Jay, and said "what's this bandwagon fuckery?" Or something to that affect. Anyway, he has consistently voiced his opinion that Lorab is innocent and looks good to him. He has also actively and aggressively defended her on multiple occasions. That being said, DH has my vote for the next day.

Ooh linkitis. You've been busy Jay. Good to see you motivated again

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't your first sentence kind of not need to be said? Like, why on Earth would you be anything BUT pleased to be wrong here?

Dom wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

I'm actually quite pleased to have been wrong. Not sure where this leaves me in terms of suspects, but I'll have a look and see what pops out

Not sure why this would change whether you suspect JJJ or not.

MacDougall wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Yay!

He says while clenching his buttcheeks and a forced grin with teeth bared.

MacDougall wrote:DharmaHelper, I love you bro, but you are definitely bad.

HamburgerBoy wrote:Does it bother anyone else that Epi seems to be reading the thread a lot but not posting?

666.

Golden wrote:I don't believe it. We actually went to a four way tie.

Officially the stupidest lynch I have ever seen.

I'm actually with fz. Considering asking for a replacement. Are the civs even trying to win? I feel alone.

HamburgerBoy wrote:Great job resettling that tie Wilgy.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Golden wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Golden wrote:This is ridiculous. The fz bandwagon is as contrived as the jay one. So many people seeing her as a top town read.

I'm certainly not.

No, but don't you think people, generally speaking, should take on board the opinion of others?

Is vote jj ahead of voting fz.

You sound scared. This is funny.

Not scared. I just feel helpless to be understand a town that seems to want to lynch townies.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:DharmaHelper, why should we lynch you today?

nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, I have to finish these cookies and get myself outta here, and I've still got like four pages to read. Ugh. Thems the breaks, I guess.

Votes are a lot more spread out this round, which I suppose is good? Makes me less wary. During my read (and really, thinking about the no-lynch situation), I keep flip-flopping on JJJ. On the one hand, he appears as a frustrated civ who's half-given up. At the same time, he kept popping in to make points and (despite what he said upon his return) to defend himself. I'm torn because I don't like to let myself be swindled by tone, but at the same time, the tone's been consistent, and I was doubtful about that in particular yesterday. Ugh. Ugh, I say.

Well, I gotta make a decision, and I do like to make things *interesting*, especially with changeable votes being a factor. Lorab's fallen off the radar more than last phase, so let's give her a vote and see what happens when these votes get a bit closer.

nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, I have to finish these cookies and get myself outta here, and I've still got like four pages to read. Ugh. Thems the breaks, I guess.

Votes are a lot more spread out this round, which I suppose is good? Makes me less wary. During my read (and really, thinking about the no-lynch situation), I keep flip-flopping on JJJ. On the one hand, he appears as a frustrated civ who's half-given up. At the same time, he kept popping in to make points and (despite what he said upon his return) to defend himself. I'm torn because I don't like to let myself be swindled by tone, but at the same time, the tone's been consistent, and I was doubtful about that in particular yesterday. Ugh. Ugh, I say.

Well, I gotta make a decision, and I do like to make things *interesting*, especially with changeable votes being a factor. Lorab's fallen off the radar more than last phase, so let's give her a vote and see what happens when these votes get a bit closer.

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Their votes for LoRab.

What do you mean? I'm sorry, I don't get your question

2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:@FZ Instead of pissing down my back why don't you actually address my suspicion?

1. Why did you actively participate in the lynching of someone you had come around to believing to be genuine? Why not place your vote on a third party that you suspected?

2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?

I did address your suspicion. I'll quote myself:

"I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie."

1. I didn't come around to believing she was genuine, I said that to be honest, her last reply felt more genuine. You know how many times people made me change their mind on them and go back on my suspicions only to find out I was right in the first place? At that stage, yes, I was hesitant, but I saw no point in voting somewhere else. I wanted to save JJJ. I think I was clear on that. I even asked people to change to Sorsha and not Lorab, just for that hesitation, but they didn't follow, so I chose to support the person I believed was the more clear civ in my eyes.

2. I don't believe JJJ is bad, but if I'm wrong, and yes, I can be wrong, then his team obviously knew he was not going to die. Why not make themselves look better when he is lynched next time, by making it look like they voted for him before?


linki: Thanks Epi. Especially for stating the obvious. It's something I often miss.

FZ. wrote:I'm here. I just started reading, but saw that a lot of people talked about me and two posts that seriously pissed me off.
This:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.

And this:

DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.

1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV

2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"

What a joke that is.

DH, you must be the worst baddie to ever walk this planet. Why would I, as an alleged baddi, who went after Lorab for her reply to BR and told her that her reaction was suspicious as hell, would then go and say she sounded genuine, before voting for her? Why not just leave my suspicion there, which a lot of people supported by the way, and assuming I know she's civ, (which even if I was bad I couldn't, if there are 2 teams and not 1, that is) and make myself look much better in my defense of JJJ? How stupid do you think I am to do what you suggest I did, as a baddie?

If you do that as a baddie, then you need to get your act straight. I don't. I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie.

Seriously, there are reasons to suspect people, and there are reasons to just end up looking like a real idiot. Which to me, you do at the moment (no offence). I thought you were bad before. I need to decide whether to go back to that thought or not. Now, I'll go back and look at who agreed with you, and who among you feel the most suspicious for that.

FZ. wrote:I'm here. I just started reading, but saw that a lot of people talked about me and two posts that seriously pissed me off.
This:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.

And this:

DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.

1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV

2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"

What a joke that is.

DH, you must be the worst baddie to ever walk this planet. Why would I, as an alleged baddi, who went after Lorab for her reply to BR and told her that her reaction was suspicious as hell, would then go and say she sounded genuine, before voting for her? Why not just leave my suspicion there, which a lot of people supported by the way, and assuming I know she's civ, (which even if I was bad I couldn't, if there are 2 teams and not 1, that is) and make myself look much better in my defense of JJJ? How stupid do you think I am to do what you suggest I did, as a baddie?

If you do that as a baddie, then you need to get your act straight. I don't. I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie.

Seriously, there are reasons to suspect people, and there are reasons to just end up looking like a real idiot. Which to me, you do at the moment (no offence). I thought you were bad before. I need to decide whether to go back to that thought or not. Now, I'll go back and look at who agreed with you, and who among you feel the most suspicious for that.

Tranq wrote:I've spent pretty much all of my free time playing The Binding of Isaac recently. Sorry. Rather than wasting a vote, i've decided to give my vote to Ricochet until i'm able to make informed decisions. Ricochet, my vote is yours. Who should i vote for?

Oh and don't Arya me

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

Ah yes, FZ is good because Elohcin is your wife.

Hang on a tick, did anyone else get deja vu just now?

I think his opinion is valid. All though I can think of one instance where she did have BTSC and quit. So it's not fool proof.

It is a fine opinion. I would just prefer something remotely tangible or thread related.

Why?

Black Rock wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.

FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.

Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.

But the fact is she's out.

FZ. is a alone.

You're welcome.

Ah yes, FZ is good because Elohcin is your wife.

Hang on a tick, did anyone else get deja vu just now?

I think his opinion is valid. All though I can think of one instance where she did have BTSC and quit. So it's not fool proof.