The Syndicate

I guess what I'm saying is at this stage, whoever the last mafia is has no reason to hide. There's too many bodies in the way of a mafia win. *Unless* we do this mutiny play.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:27 pm Ok, I have only read up on this while I was driving. Is this deal good for me? Can you reiterate it? Just got home from a surprise food truck event. I haven't had a chance to refute any claims, DH, I have hardly noticed any in my skim. If you like, you can list everyone's role for me to make it easier on me. I want to win.

Well,

Sloonei says he's TR
Epi said he was (paraphrasing) "Some douche named Mike" before Mike the role got revealed
Speedchuck has been acting like a dog all game so it is safe to say he's the Dog role.

Nutella and I have put our cards on the table RE: Who we are(n't)

Which leaves you, my dude.

If you *are* the last mafia, your best bet is to hop into this deal and roll the dice, otherwise you're fixing to get lynched what with everyone knowing who everyone is, just about.

If you *aren't* the last mafia, fuck it, do it anyway. Be a legend.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:47 pm Let's look at the odds to get to victory for the 3p/mafia

1 - INH makes a tie (assuming the bad guys coordinate and tie the game) a 50/50 lynch option and not a no-lynch.

Odds: ??? Pretty good?

2 - The 50/50 lynch lands on a townie

Odds: 50%. Duh.

3 - The mutiny for three option, selected by the three baddies, is activated. The two townies will opt in, of course.
This means, in order for the mutiny to go through, no townies must be selected.

Odds: 1/(5 choose 2), or 1/10

If everything goes according to plan, there is a 5% chance of this working. Who knows what happens when it goes wrong? Who will betray who?

You're thinking far too small.

I was down for this plan last night when I was trying to think of a way I could win the game at 2am, but now that it makes Epi grumpy I like it even more.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:54 pm Oh. Are we still hunting Mafia?

I thought people were coming up with some way to bastardize a legitimate Mafia game with schemes of reeking of random chance.

"Legitimate mafia game"

Good one.

I believe Long Con is the final mafia since he didn't dispute any of the current claims or soft claims, and since no one really has. And since the mafia didn't kill me yet.

I mean he probably is.

If he isn't then whoever is, has to take the deal anyway.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:29 pm Which piece is that?

I'd rather not spoil the fun

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:10 pm And if one townie gets into the mutiny and votes "no", mutiny doesn't happen.

Just so you understand your options. It's risky, but as you said, probably worth it.

I mean, you're missing a key piece of that puzzle but sure.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:42 pm Oh cool. I completely missed nutella's post.

DH and Nutella are 3P. I'm civ, along with two of LC, Epi, and Sloonei.
3P is offering a deal to scum for mutiny. Together, they can form an unofficial half-majority and stop civs from lynching them. (Unless ties are random.) A solid plan.

BUT FOR ONE THING!

ANYONE can opt into that mutiny for three option, mate. Then the three will be randomly chosen from those that opted in. You better believe that the two remaining civs are gonna jump in on that. The three winners will be decided by luck of the draw.

Are you okay with that?

It is a better plan than "wait to be lynched or night killed" aint it

TFW you have a 50% chance of winning the game in a wild, balls out move

Sidenote, it appears if you are interested in this deal LC, not many of the civs left give much of a shit about the game to stop us so.

Ah fuck it, since most of yall either missed or ignored the post that spoiled the fun, I'mma do it any-damn-way.

Spoiler: show

So it looks like we find ourselves in a bit of a pickle. Thanks to some clever soft claims (Which no one seems to want to dispute, which makes me think they're legit), battle lines have appeared out of nowhere.

Spoiler: show

Which is fine by me, since a majority of the game has been rather bland from my point of view. You guys are practically sleep walking over there. So me and mine have an offer for the last mafia (Seems to be Long Con. Thanks for not killing me until Phase 2 fam)

Spoiler: show

I really want a win here. I'm sure you do as well. Problem is the math doesn't really play out unless we agree to make a big move today. Three votes is 50%, which gives us at least a coin flip. From there we three agree to mutiny and make this little pact official,

The alternative is, of course, being lynched. Lose by a mile or win by an inch.

Damn I had a whole big post planned for this morning and I wake up and the party got started without me.

But if you were mafia, you were hardly going to claim Indie or possible recruit. What I'm saying is your answer to the claim question was a given, and holds really no weight.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:57 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:49 am What good does a role claim do, by the way?
Not much. But if we assume LC is indie then we just have you and nutella left to claim now. If the two of you claim then we'll have a contradiction somewhere. So what good does not roleclaiming do?

I just mean, with all these soft claims you had a 50/50 shot to land a role that I wouldn't contradict, and your claim came at a time when LC couldn't be here to contradict, so by virtue of you claiming first, if LC is the role you claimed, you present a problem.

I don't like claiming as a whole, even in open games like this but I'll do it if and when I have to. I don't feel as though I have to yet. Which isn't to say you claimed a role that I am not willing to claim at a later date, it's just to say that I'm not willing to claim right now.

For example, if I said who I was before you said who you were, then as mafia you would know (By virtue of the soft claims and my claim) which town sided role to pick before LC got a word in.

What good does a role claim do, by the way?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:22 am SVS interactions with/about DharmaHelper:
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:12 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:58 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:31 am Do not want to hunt LC or Dys.

SVS is not good boy.
Afraid you're mistaken there, Spot. THis makes me sad, dogs generally like me.
Who do you think is bad?
I don't know yet. I think LCs story sounds plausible. My initial reaction to that whole thing was that Dizzy jumped on it too quickly. But her backpedal was done gracefully, and it made her look better to me, not worse. That has pretty much dominated the thread as far as suspicions go. Timmers vote, especially after his, "well it's for the lulz" explanation when that is not what he said last night got my eye a bit, but nothing I am ready to vote based on at this time.

Rico and Wilgy appear to be playing for the troll value. Epi is Epi, but I like his vote for Dizzy better than I like Timmers. I think DH would be more intense if he was bad. Sloonei is more laid back than I am used to seeing him.

Other wise I have not seen enough of anyone else to have a negative opinion. I don't like to "scum hunt" and try to find suspicions just for the sake of finding suspicions. That just always seemed like a hecking ass backwards way to play. When I find something you will be the first to know.

Is this why you suspect me; lack of concrete opinions less than halfway into Day One? Shall I go back in the thread and give you a list of the other people with no concrete opinions?

Now be a good doggo and give me something I can work with.

Mentions him in a batch of player salad, calling him an unlikely suspect. Could be soft defense, but I do not get as much of that vibe here as I did in her 2 Nutella-related posts.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:28 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:20 pmWhacky.
Indeed. Wacky enough that I think I am going to vote for Wilgy at this time. Becasue either what he said to me was true (and it was predicated on him thinking I was a baddie) and if so he was trying to make something bad happen, or it was not true, but I don't see why he would say what he said if it were not true. I could see no benefit to it for him.

If anyone has any info on this, I would like to know what it is.

*Voting Wilgy*
Takes a prompt from DH to cast a vote for Wilgy on Day 1. I don't sense anything sinister here, and if anything the casual, throwaway nature of this exchange looks to me like two players who are not involved in any sort of pairing together. Weak read, but slightly in DH's favor. I may just have tunnel vision turned on.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:48 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:44 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:16 pm Does anyone in here have BTSC with Wilgy?

I got an odd message from him. I am not sure I want to put it out there what he said since it could be helpful to the baddies if it is true. But if it isn't, then I would like to know about it since it would seem to be trap directed at me.

Does anyone know anything about an odd message Wilgy might have sent me? Or did any of you get an odd message from Wilgy?

Linki, Who's a good boy???
Seems you got real sure real quick there, SVS.
I am sure. What he told me would happen would benefit the baddies. I think that was pretty obvious?
This is the most substantial exchange I can find between the two of them in SVS's posts, and it looks good for DH again. He calls her out on a potential slip up, and her responses looks a little bit uneasy.

Llama mentioned very few people.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:22 am voting for nutella

"DH Is the last scum, but I won't be voting for someone I think is scum"

Said the last mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:00 pm I'm leaning long con as independent. For obvious reasons.

I could say Sloon is the mafia, and hope that no recruitment has happened. That would probably be too clean.

I could see this being the case. It would explain LC's apparent PM mistake.

Sneak Peek at Phase 2:

RIPIWYG Phase 2 or 3 or any phase. +

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:28 pm Who is everybody else?

Epi is probably Mike
Speedchuck is probably the Dog
Long Con is likely not mafia since he thought the game was LMS and his PM would have, I assume, included the names of his teammates as well as their names in the CC: field so I doublt he'd miss that.
I know I'm a civ.

Tbh that leaves you and Nutella, don't it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:19 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.
Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.
Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.
because i am still unaware of his role claiming shenanigans. If he has a confirmed role then voting for him is silly. But the vote was just a way of showing that I'm awaiting his re-read of my posts. I'll gonfor uh DharmaHelper then. Because why not?
Because fuck you that's why not.
Why did you vote for me yesterday?
Cuz it is increasingly likely you're the last of the mafia.
Walk me through this thought process.

I know who I am and strongly suspect I know who some of the other players are, and of the players I don't know or strongly suspect sits you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.
Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.
Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.
because i am still unaware of his role claiming shenanigans. If he has a confirmed role then voting for him is silly. But the vote was just a way of showing that I'm awaiting his re-read of my posts. I'll gonfor uh DharmaHelper then. Because why not?
Because fuck you that's why not.
Why did you vote for me yesterday?

Cuz it is increasingly likely you're the last of the mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.
Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.
Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.
because i am still unaware of his role claiming shenanigans. If he has a confirmed role then voting for him is silly. But the vote was just a way of showing that I'm awaiting his re-read of my posts. I'll gonfor uh DharmaHelper then. Because why not?

Because fuck you that's why not.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:51 pm I feel like voting for Epignosis.
Why? I don't. He's Mike; that role's existence is confirmed now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 pm The independent throws a wrinkle into my reads. Hm.
Indeed. This is all very interesting.

But guess what? I think you, speedchuck, are the last member of the mafia.

You don't think chuck, the guy who has been acting like a dog all game, is the dog role?

Here we fuckin' go lads.

Don't everybody all pipe up at once fam.

I'm just ball bustin'. The night ends when it ends.

Man that poll time has been sliding all game, huh guys?

In retrospect SVS flipping bad confirms an early game concern I had, which I would be glad to explain only if asked.

At any rate, I will provide now my reasoning behind my vote for this poll. I think Full Role Lists is going to win so I'm voting for the next coolest option.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:17 am Here's how I feel about the night poll:

Full Role List Reveal - I prefer open games anyway
Everyone Has 2 Votes On Day 5 - kinda cool I guess. Not super-useful like lynching two people, but it does give more opportunity for vote analysis
D5 Public Rankings Voting - this seemed kind of cool, but not my first choice
D5 Will Be A Private Vote - I would like to hear good reasons for this as a choice
During N5, There Will Be A Public Vote To Restrict BTSC For One Player - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
D5 BTSC Blackout - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
N5 BTSC Blackout - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
Mutiny Opportunity for 3 - no. Sorry INH, but I'd rather stay the course

My vote reflects the relative amount of fucks I give.

I wouldn't think so hard about it Speedchuck.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:18 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:42 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:35 pm Not the greatest of optics there. Who was the other person?
Quin.

Say what you're gonna say cuz I can't wait to tear into this real bad point you're about to make.
Well, Quin was town. And SVS was scum.

So were you scum, this would be a truth and a lie throw-off dealie, dissociating yourself with a townie and a scummie. Not the greatest of optics.
If you're town, it would just be an honest statement about the state of the game.

Is that about right, or am I just staying up too late?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:35 pm Not the greatest of optics there. Who was the other person?

Quin.

Say what you're gonna say cuz I can't wait to tear into this real bad point you're about to make.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:03 pm Who was it that said "If I was bad, svs and <someone else> would be dead"?

Can't look. Am on phone.

Still would guess that timmer is good, but I'd like to see a case against it.

Twas I what said such things.

I'm sad that SVS was bad.

So is Epi the last baddie?

Oh, ok.

I guess I'm voting Sloonei now. Since I don't think SVS is bad.

Chuckster I release you from your bond to me, go do whatever you want man.

He quick question Epi if you feel so strongly that LC is mafia why aren't you voting for him or asking for other people to vote for him?

I just wanna congratulate my fellow Quin voters.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we got 'em

a 3 way tie in a two person lynch

Epignosis you madman

Starting to feel pretty bad about Long Con but I guess we'll see.

Interesting, and saucy.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:00 pm Self-pres doesn't seem to be an option for me at the moment. So, who am I taking down with me? My vote is still in the wind.

A kind man would break up the LC/Epi bromance

Seems like Quin's a goner. I'd focus on the #2

Why shouldn't you believe I'm civ?

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