The Syndicate

AceofSpaces wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with Roxy and TH about SVS . She almost always defends me if I come under attack . I don't think DH or Aces has been in a game that it has happen in but it has happen more then once where she defended me and I was bad and she was civvie.

I don't judge people based on past games, I judge them based on the game they are currently playing.

Also, you probably could have phrased that part in bold slightly better.

Says the human autocorrect.

It's not about the grammar. It's that one interpretation of that could be that Bass is admitting he's bad and S~V~S is defending him.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I agree with Roxy and TH about SVS . She almost always defends me if I come under attack . I don't think DH or Aces has been in a game that it has happen in but it has happen more then once where she defended me and I was bad and she was civvie.

I don't judge people based on past games, I judge them based on the game they are currently playing.

Also, you probably could have phrased that part in bold slightly better.

FZ. wrote:RIP Epi. I hope you were bad. If not: RIP Epi Too bad you didn't get to experience the curse I suggested for you

Spacedaisy wrote:Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

I feel that every game. Makes me feel better to know I'm not the one feeling it, though.

As for LC, if not for the llama disaster, I might have said LC is looking too civvie like, but we all know where that led us I can't read him. I see no real difference from previous games, and in order for me to consider voting him, I need something more fishy from him. Right now, I'm not seeing it

I laughed out loud at the Timmer curse, if it's in fact a curse. It's making it really hard to figure out who MM is talking about, but it sure makes for a good laugh.

Welcome back Bass. It rules out the possibility of old Bass having any relationship with any other player in the game. That, or BWT was that person, which is very unlikely. I'll be interested to see how the new Bass acts.

I'm not done reading, but did it make you change your mind at all regarding SVS, DH?

Spacedaisy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

Rabbit would probably be happy to discuss me with you, and BF has stated that he suspects me as well.

Maybe you should make a case if you want people to respond to it. It's not easy to respond to "I don't feel good about him".

I did make a very clear case, quoted posts and all. This is a bogus comment and you know it.

Spacedaisy wrote:So, I am frankly not feeling Log Con this game at all. Allow me to explain what I see so far that I really don't like...

Long Con wrote:So llama is deliberately trying to act in such a way that is like a previous Civ game? Is that supposed to make us think he's Civ in this one? Kind of heavy handed.

When FZ brings up her case this was his initial case. Unless I am misreading it, it appears as though LC thinks it is heavy handed for Llama. Which would imply that he finds it difficult to swallow. I could be misreading this though....

If I am not, his turnaround to this next post seems odd. Especially since he didnti say anything regarding llama in the intervening posts.

Long Con wrote:My vote is going to Llama, not that it will matter much for now, for playing the "just like Civvie Llama in X-Men" too hard. I also thought that the post about other ways Llama is "acting too Civvie-Llama" was a good read.

Spacedaisy wrote:Sometimes I feel like playing mafia is somewhat akin to talking to a wall for me anymore. In death note I didn't comment on the fact things I said were largely ignored because I was bad and did t want to draw attention to myself unnecessarily, but here it is just plain annoying. Does anyone want to discuss LC? Or am I the only one who feels bad about him?

blindfaeth wrote:MM must be cursed. I'll answer you in the morning I'm trying to get off to bed because boogs is waiting.

I'll just say before I go that it makes me uneasy that DH is trying to push the whole "oh how many baddies have you caught" routine, when in this game since they didn't start with BTSC and don't know each other, it doesn't matter. He's used that theory in his case against SVS and now he's using it again tonight and can't seem to grasp this concept. Sorry, but your lynch of bass = absolutely no civ cred, as much as you want it to, not happening, so don't act like it should.

Linki, I am frustrated with the bass lynch lol. Because we lynch someone who says cheat but not the elephant in the room who's using wifom to the extreme

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:"I'm DH and I like to use air quotes and jump to hasty conclusions"

timmer don't think timmer deserves a ton of credit or anything for the previous lynch, but that doesn't make timmer bad at all. Would timmer still be looking at timmer if timmer wasn't lynched?

blindfaeth wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:"I'm DH and I like to use air quotes and jump to hasty conclusions"

How many baddies have you lynched btw :P

None, not like it matters, for all I know you feigned suspicion of bass and were severely disappointed when you realized you painted a target on your teammates back

blindfaeth wrote:"I'm DH and I like to use air quotes and jump to hasty conclusions"

blindfaeth wrote:My eyes did sort of glaze over tbh it was such a stretch

blindfaeth wrote:I sent in a letter

Shame epig is gone, I was beginning to trust him.

I think you will have a hard time selling that bass 1.0 had made contact with his team since the host allowed him to sub in DH.

I'm suspicious of DH tbh,he based that entire case on that small possibility.

Anyway, I still don't feel good about LC. Bullz either but you let me know when y'all are ready, since we will lynch people for saying "cheat" but not for blatantly refusing to help the civs, trying to push an obvious agenda that I was a detective so his pals could off me, etc

Now that I mention it, maybe I can get DH lynched for using "non air quote" air quotes, since our last two lynches have been hectic, unpredictable and for lack of a better word, dumb.

DH

Mister Rearranger wrote:

"It has come to my attention that reywaS (commonly known as Sawyer) has gotten his hands on some valuable machinery. If my informant is correct, should we trust him with such a thing?

He gets right on to the friction of the day"

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:In the event I am unable to continue to press my SVS suspicion for whatever reason, here it is as bare-bones yet comprehensive as I can make it:

1. SVS (to borrow a phrase) "glomped" onto FZ's questioning of my vote, which felt odd to me. Taken by itself it is not damning evidence however; SVS is 90% likely to jump down my throat at any given game for any given reason. When I looked into it, that cracked the suspicion wide open for me.

2. SVS Made several Pro-Bass posts. She tried to downplay these as instead "not particularly suspicious of Bass" posts. As I pointed out, she called him "civvie-ish", called the lynch against him sketchy several times (awful, not feeling it, etc), and outright advocated on his behalf with regards to TH. These are not the actions of someone who considers Bass "not particularly suspect". Her downplaying of these remarks rings untrue to me. For example, she would have us believe that calling Bass's actions "civvie-ish" wasn't meant to imply that she thought he was a civ. Well, that's just plain susp-ish.


I've pulled several quotes already, and highlighted a lot of what I've talked about in this post, so I encourage you to go back and look at those if you have any questions regarding what it is SVS did and did not say.

In closing, There are two scenarios I can see that account for SVS's behavior.

1. She is Blacksmith and either recruited Bass N1 or planned to recruit him after seeing what Timmer pointed out
2. She is bad and wanted to keep Bass alive, so that they could get recruited together down the line.

OR I am a civ who did not think he was bad

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ask me if Bass has fooled me in the past. Ask LC; he saw Bass totally schnocker me in The Island game.

There's a big difference between being fooled and actively, aggressively defending someone.

I wasn't aggressively defending him. I didn't suspect him. Or Bullz. Or BF. Totally different. You're reading into it. FAR into it.

I pointed out several instances wherein you were doing specifically that, so I have to disagree here. Also, nice try but Bullz/BF are irrelevant.

No, it isn't irrelevant. At one point they were toed, and it was a very tense last hour.

Roxy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Roxy wrote:Bye splints this game is much more boring without ye!

I need to catch up again but I am still very suspicious of Epi and now Timmer bc he was sspicious of my Epi suspicion but then showed how Epi could be bad with bad intentions in his pursuit of an Elo lynch. I do get how he is defending someone who wanted his role dead.

If anyone has anything they would like me to answer post your questions now while I am around.

You weren't reading along?

Nope. I have been skypeing and reading along with the Champions game supporting Turnips.
Is that a problem for you?

FZ. wrote:If I could curse Epig, he'd have to use 10 adverbs in every post :P


DH, apart from saying Bass was cursed, did you say he was manipulating it? Because I remember you talking about a curse, but I don't remember anything else, which is why I said props to TImmer. If I missed something and you deserve more credit, then by all means, I'm giving it to you

While TImmer's speculation was a long shot, it was logical enough to convince me it could be true, and if so, I believe there were probably more people who thought it could actually be true. Which is why I think that people not voting for him might have done so to try and save someone who could potentially be in alignment with them, so saying that someone didn't know because baddies don't have BTSC might not be accurate in this instance.

That said, SVS' vote looks too fishy to be true. I'd think she would try a more subtle way then to call his lynch awful, but that's just me.

Since I'm still far from convinced Bullz is bad, I think some of his voters could easily be bad.

Aceofspaces' vote is looking quite bad, to be honest, and BlackRock's as well. Also, she's more absent than any of the recent games I've played with her. What's your opinion of her, LC?

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:This is a super great result

Way to go Timmer!

DharmaHelper wrote:If it were me, I'd go back and look at SVS and FZ since they both practically jumped down my throat after I voted Bass.

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say you were wrong for voting him, I wanted to make sure your vote was legit. All I asked for, was a better explanation than "I don't trust him" and those generic accusations. Like SVS, I was satisfied after that, and even told you I knew you could do better. Not to mention the fact I was the next voter after you.

On with the catch up

Huh, what?

FZ. wrote:This is a super great result

Way to go Timmer!

DharmaHelper wrote:If it were me, I'd go back and look at SVS and FZ since they both practically jumped down my throat after I voted Bass.

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say you were wrong for voting him, I wanted to make sure your vote was legit. All I asked for, was a better explanation than "I don't trust him" and those generic accusations. Like SVS, I was satisfied after that, and even told you I knew you could do better. Not to mention the fact I was the next voter after you.

On with the catch up

Roxy wrote:Bye splints this game is much more boring without ye!

I need to catch up again but I am still very suspicious of Epi and now Timmer bc he was sspicious of my Epi suspicion but then showed how Epi could be bad with bad intentions in his pursuit of an Elo lynch. I do get how he is defending someone who wanted his role dead.

If anyone has anything they would like me to answer post your questions now while I am around.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Ask me if Bass has fooled me in the past. Ask LC; he saw Bass totally schnocker me in The Island game.

There's a big difference between being fooled and actively, aggressively defending someone.

I wasn't aggressively defending him. I didn't suspect him. Or Bullz. Or BF. Totally different. You're reading into it. FAR into it.

Sophie wrote:Yes! Great result! Thanks spacedaidy and fZ for answering and understanding. I will be popping up here and there but not expecT much of substance buy me until next monday, thanks for understanding and great hunch dh!

blindfaeth wrote:You're "suspicious". Look I can use air quotes too

blindfaeth wrote:It feels just as ingenuine as bullz suspecting llama because I defended him. It's so irrelevant because even if she was bass' teammate she didn't know it.

blindfaeth wrote:Interesting result.

DH considering the baddies don't have btsc why are you relentlessly attacking SVS?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I think timmer made a long shot call that just so happened to be right.

Anything else?

How can it just so happen to be anything else?

Epignosis wrote:I think timmer made a long shot call that just so happened to be right.

Long Con wrote:Difficult enough to be irrelevant?

Long Con wrote:Would S~V~S, FZ, or Rabbit check Bass on Night 1, if they were Blacksmith?

S~V~S wrote:Ask me if Bass has fooled me in the past. Ask LC; he saw Bass totally schnocker me in The Island game.

S~V~S wrote:I said his fighting felt civvie-ish to me. It did. That isn't calling him a civvie.

You are stretching here.

S~V~S wrote:What specifically is "pro Bass" as opposed to "not particularly suspicious of Bass" about these posts?

S~V~S wrote:EBWOP~ just because a person is proven correct about a suspicion, does not make suspicions leading up to that point invalid. Had i known Bass was bad, then I would have lauded your wisdom. I didn't, so I questioned your vagueness.

Yes, DH, then when you FINALLY explained it, I said, "Thank You, DH" and backed off.

Long Con wrote:That's true, S~V~S, and I don't find your questioning of DH to be suspicious. It's easy to drop "oh, that's his baddie game", but it's more of a test to get some details... I think you approached it the right way.

On the flip side, even though you were satisfied with DH, your vote post is more pro-Bass than any other player.

S~V~S wrote:I am not feeling any of the B-Boy votes.

I am going to vote for Turnip Head. I think his reasons for voting Llama were weak, I think his reasons for voting Bass are weak, too. TH takes voting seriously, and puts lots of thought into his votes when he's a civ, even if he does not post every thought. Todays vote i can get, he is working, he's is playing the Champs game, he's stretched thin. But his Llama vote was weaker than I expect from TH, even for Day 1.

I don't expect him to get lynched, but I want him to know I'm paying attention

It's anti-Turnip Head, which makes sense, because it's a vote post on him. You specifically mention two different things that I read as a Bass-saving attempt: "I'm not feeling any of the B-Boy votes" obviously includes Bass, but in a not-directly-referring-to-Bass kind of way, and then mentioning a short time later that TH's reasons for voting Bass are weak.

I would like the answer to this. He's fighting pretty hard not to be cheated ( ) which feels pretty civvie-ish to me.

Why the ? How is this like his baddie game?

Do you rally think that's so odd for Day 2?

I am not sure on Bullz, and I don't think BF is bad. I am not seeing the case on Bass, either. Especially the way this lynch is forming up, this feels awful, lol.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If it were me, I'd go back and look at SVS and FZ since they both practically jumped down my throat after I voted Bass.

Nah, that would be pointless.

And I thought your vote was vague (and it WAS). Then when you explained it, I said, "Thank You DH" and never brought it up again.

Your enthusiasm in the matter was noted, and notably suspect, given the results of the lynch.

What enthusiasm? I thought your vote was vague. I said so. You are making it into something it is not.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:If it were me, I'd go back and look at SVS and FZ since they both practically jumped down my throat after I voted Bass.

Nah, that would be pointless.

And I thought your vote was vague (and it WAS). Then when you explained it, I said, "Thank You DH" and never brought it up again.

timmer wrote:

I feel like there is a decent chance that Bass is Double Down, cursed himself, and is using it as a shout out to Blacksmith

S~V~S wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Switching my vote to Bass, because I don't want to vote for myself or Roxy, and from what I have been reading/paying attention to I don't trust Bass.

Why don't you trust him?

He doesn't seem honest.

Don't cheat me a good answer. What doesn't seem honest?

I would like the answer to this. He's fighting pretty hard not to be cheated ( ) which feels pretty civvie-ish to me.

S~V~S wrote:These are some pretty vague votes, tbh.

Yeah, FZ. I would like to see what he's talking about.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:I'm going to call shenanigans though, where do these oddball left field lynches keep coming from? The majority of mentions for bass have been in like the last 30 mins.

That might be true, but it's almost the end of the day, and with a lack of a good lynch candidate, there will be more gut voting than usual.

Damn, I need to make up my mind


linki: DH, what's his baddie game?

Why the ? How is this like his baddie game?

Turnip Head wrote:Bass you mentioned the 6 outsider votes but I don't see you pursuing that lead any further with specific suspects. That's why it feels like you're just casting a wide net and letting other players do the dirty work.

Do you rally think that's so odd for Day 2?

I am not sure on Bullz, and I don't think BF is bad. I am not seeing the case on Bass, either. Especially the way this lynch is forming up, this feels awful, lol.

Linki ~ last time we lynched Sophie for being too quiet, she was just a busy civ. So maybe that's it.

Linki~ why, LC?
Linki~ Thank DH. At least I can understand that, although I am not sure I agree.

Long Con wrote:Yeah, great job, DH! Really sharp baddie hunting, you caught him red-handed.

Spacedaisy wrote:Well done DH!

FZ. wrote:DH, you give these generic answers: "I don't trust him", "he doesn't seem honest" and "some of his answers remind me of his baddie game". Come on, you can do better.
What is it about his answers that remind you his baddie game?

FZ. wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:I'm going to call shenanigans though, where do these oddball left field lynches keep coming from? The majority of mentions for bass have been in like the last 30 mins.

That might be true, but it's almost the end of the day, and with a lack of a good lynch candidate, there will be more gut voting than usual.

Damn, I need to make up my mind


linki: DH, what's his baddie game?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Switching my vote to Bass, because I don't want to vote for myself or Roxy, and from what I have been reading/paying attention to I don't trust Bass.

Why don't you trust him?

He doesn't seem honest.

Don't cheat me a good answer. What doesn't seem honest?

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Switching my vote to Bass, because I don't want to vote for myself or Roxy, and from what I have been reading/paying attention to I don't trust Bass.

Why don't you trust him?