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Ah yes, FZ is good because Elohcin is your wife.Epignosis wrote:Well you're all losers.
FZ. is not Mafia because she replaced Elohcin.
Elohcin loves BTSC. She wouldn't quit if she had it. She'd be in there talking about...kids and bedspreads or some shit.
But the fact is she's out.
FZ. is a alone.
You're welcome.
Epi: If the rhubarb pie is green and square October has nine hats then FZ is my strongest town read.Epignosis wrote:No, no. I want to see if someone can work out why. It's quite simple really.DharmaHelper wrote:Why to both of these assertions.
And vacuums use an air pump, specifically a centrifugal fan, which enables them to suck.
Why to both of these assertions.Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with you.DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
Mine too. Simple reason. Any guessers want to have a go at why?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FZ is my strongest town read.
Vacuums are supposed to suck.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I need to clean this house thoroughly before I leave it behind. My old vacuum was broken. I'm bad at vacuums.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why would you buy a vacuum cleaner if you are changing continents of residence?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I bought a vacuum cleaner today and I'm pretty sure I just broke it.
Because you're compulsively contrarian?Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with you.DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:FZ is my strongest town read.
Mine too. Simple reason. Any guessers want to have a go at why?
Vacuums are supposed to suck.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I need to clean this house thoroughly before I leave it behind. My old vacuum was broken. I'm bad at vacuums.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why would you buy a vacuum cleaner if you are changing continents of residence?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I bought a vacuum cleaner today and I'm pretty sure I just broke it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Yanno what, I can do that much. Those are easy.MacDougall wrote:You did a G2H on every player
Black Rock - good
Boomslang - bad
DharmaHelper - bad
Dom - good
DrWilgy - bad
Draconus - good
Epignosis - good
FZ. - good
Golden - good
HamburgerBoy - good
juliets - bad
Long Con - bad
LoRab - bad
MacDougall - good
Matt - good
Metalmarsh89 - good
motel room - good
nijuukyugou - bad
Sorsha - bad
thellama73 - good
Tranq - good
bea - good
I'll try to provide a little analytic content before the day ends. I will have virtually no time tomorrow though. I'm spending it with friends.
Look at his slutty avatar. He was asking for it.Ricochet wrote:"asking for it" sounds spooky, uhm "JJJ asking whether he's allowed"*
I just don't like role claims. Legitimate or not.thellama73 wrote:This post from DH pings me a bit. For context, it was posted right after JJ was allowed to role claim and did so. To me it reads like DH had built his case counting on the fact that JJ wouldn't be able to be too specific about his role, and the hosts ruling threw a monkey wrench in his plans. Almost this exact thing has has happened to me before when I was bad: an unexpected host decision exposing the flimsy nature of my case. It's a small thing, but it caught my eye.DharmaHelper wrote:Are you fucking kidding me right now.
Don't look at me, But here I am making ten million posts about why you shouldn't look at meJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Whatever it takes to make people stop calling me suspicious and talking about the suspicious things I'm doing and the case to be made against JJJ and what happens if JJJ is bad and who tried to save baddie JJJ and have you heard JJJ likes pancakes it's all a huge waste of time. All of it.HamburgerBoy wrote:so why are you saying this now?
Just stop already, all of you. Okay great, I'm suspicious. Lynch me. That's the solution.
In the mean time, use your time wisely for the love of God. There are like 20-25 people that need your attention. I have received enough of it. This is not productive ever.
No. A civvie does not want to appear vulnerable to the mafia if he can avoid it. Surviving a lynch is a show of strength. Revealing the reasoning behind it is like a magician that shows you how to do all his tricks. JJJ basically killed himself if he's telling the truth. Ergo, he's not.HamburgerBoy wrote:But his role is useless now, right? As he wrote it, the power has already been consumed. If he's telling the truth as a civvie, there's no reason for him not to out it.DharmaHelper wrote:I don't believe you. A civvie doesn't role out that kind of power, especially at this time of day.
I don't remember if Long Con let me pick my role ahead of time, but I wouldn't put that out of the realm of possibility for TH/SVS to do.HamburgerBoy wrote:Also, a seemer is usually required to declare a target at a specific time, right? That way, if anyone knocks off Jimmy on a random night, there will be a higher chance the flip was genuine.
I don't believe you. A civvie doesn't role out that kind of power, especially at this time of day.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh hey, I can claim my role.Turnip Head wrote:I'll refer you to two relevant rules:We're not going to stop anyone from saying "I have a civ role", and we're not going to stop anyone from saying "My role was civ in another game", either.S~V~S wrote:*No reproducing or paraphrasing host PMs, or direct discussing of night results or of if you were targeted or with what.
*This game is closed set up. This allows for limited role claiming. But be careful about that, and do NOT involve other people in your claim.
I was immune to my first death, lynch or night kill. I tried to evade the lynch because stopping a night kill is much more productive. I knew if this happened I'd just get lynched again and here we are. Oh well, ship's sailed. I also thought talking about this would be taboo before, I'm not used to having this freedom here.
Now stop theorizing about crazy things. There's your answer.
HamburgerBoy wrote:Question to Syndicaters: is it normal for a seemer role to change both alignment and role? E.g. could someone be out there with a "JaggedJimmyJay. Towniest town. Immune to a single death of any kind" write-up?
I'm going to switch to Tranq temporarily until I sort things out and know where to go next. If JJJ is lying, it will come to bite him eventually. If there are multiple anti-town factions out there, no matter his alignment he should eventually come under fire. I think staying on him would be a waste of a lynch.
Patently false. With an hour and a half to go I come into the thread to see that the 3rd place (if even that?) vote option has been propelled into first place, and I'm supposed to do what exactly? Let this spontanious bandwagon lynch someone I don't suspect? Am I supposed to ignore that the votes couldn't be more suspicious if they came attached to confessions? Am I supposed to see Tranq and Motel Room literally vote for LoRab for zero reason and think "Ah heck that's fine." Fuck that noise. End day bandwagons are common components? Maybe where you come from. Where I come from, if someone goes from the position LoRab was in before to the position she was in after, under the circumstances that occured, something's fucked up with that. There is no innocent way to explain that. At all. Zero. None. So when I see that, I'm not going to NOT point it out in the thread, am I? I'm not going to sit quietly and let a civvie get lynched. That's the kind of stunt people pull when they expect no resistance, they expect no one to be in the thread hollering and pointing out the bullshit. Not in my house.It doesn't have to have civvie written all over it. It has "bangwagon" written all over it, and it's a common component of any active end of day sequence. If your resistance was purely a matter of your perspective, I think you're wrong. I don't get a vibe of resistance from your posts as much as "Haha, these people are doing something that I can easily capitalize on, I'd better start yelling."
I mean you can back track all you want but you literally said that I was playing as if this was my first game, which is word for word an insult of my ability. Which is not going to have any effect regardless, because I'm a grown ass man, but it speaks I think to the veracity of what you're saying that "Neener neener" is affixed to the end of just about everything you say.The point is that I don't think you really believe in the points you're making. So it isn't an insult of your ability, it's an assertion that you're full of it. You strike me as a capable player, and that is not a capable suspicion. No, I don't think those players are that foolish individually or collectively -- or me for that matter. I'm supposed to be on their team right? Am I a fool too for allowing that or endorsing it?
If you mean the Alignment Question, no I don't think that's fair to discuss. IMO it cuts too close to role/alignment hinting.Long Con wrote:Is anyone going to pay any attention to the Confirmed Civ?Ricochet wrote:Any non-long-con player, your thoughts on what LC inquired.These are dark times, Rico.
Aren't you supposed to be laying down and taking it today?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It doesn't have to have civvie written all over it. It has "bangwagon" written all over it, and it's a common component of any active end of day sequence. If your resistance was purely a matter of your perspective, I think you're wrong. I don't get a vibe of resistance from your posts as much as "Haha, these people are doing something that I can easily capitalize on, I'd better start yelling."DharmaHelper wrote:Yeah you're right I guess looking back on it now, the complete shift in thread momentum with less than an hour and a half to go totally makes logical sense. I can see now how a literal bloc of votes shooting LoRab into first place on the lynch totally has civvie written all over it. Makes complete sense.
If you wanna get a little history lesson, know that I absolutely hate that kind of blatant B.S train bandwagon crap. Look at MP's Avant Guarde mafia for a great example of that, maybe it was AG 2. I saw what I believe (and what the evidence suggests is) a shifty bandwagon forming and pumped the breaks on that shit. Not in my house.
The point is that I don't think you really believe in the points you're making. So it isn't an insult of your ability, it's an assertion that you're full of it. You strike me as a capable player, and that is not a capable suspicion. No, I don't think those players are that foolish individually or collectively -- or me for that matter. I'm supposed to be on their team right? Am I a fool too for allowing that or endorsing it?DharmaHelper wrote:Lol. I dunno what I find more funny, the idea that you think insulting me is going to accomplish....anything? Or the idea that you think Any of the 4 players I mentioned aren't foolish enough to try to save a teammate in such an obvious way.
Great, so it is suspicious? Is motel room also on my mafia team?DharmaHelper wrote:Is that what I said? What I said was "Pay particular attention to the most suspicious of the voters, setting aside *****FOR NOW**** the less suspicious."
I hope you're sitting down.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In which DH acts soooo surprised and perturbed by the LoRab wagon, as if it was somehow inherently more suspicious than the Boomslang wagon or the llama wagon. Again he is only interested in touching the observable surface of the thread and not actually think about anything. It's transparent bullshit.Spoiler: show
In which DH asserts literally four mafia team mates coordinated a mass exodus from one counterwagon to another for the sole purpose of rescuing me, because apparently my survival is more important to the team's chances than oxygen. This is absolute crap; the kind of suspicion I would expect to see from someone playing in their first or second game ever.Spoiler: show
Oh, but the motel room vote is cool though. Somehow he doesn't fit into the narrative. That's not arbitrary.Spoiler: show
Yeah you're right I guess looking back on it now, the complete shift in thread momentum with less than an hour and a half to go totally makes logical sense. I can see now how a literal bloc of votes shooting LoRab into first place on the lynch totally has civvie written all over it. Makes complete sense.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In which DH acts soooo surprised and perturbed by the LoRab wagon, as if it was somehow inherently more suspicious than the Boomslang wagon or the llama wagon. Again he is only interested in touching the observable surface of the thread and not actually think about anything. It's transparent bullshit.
Lol. I dunno what I find more funny, the idea that you think insulting me is going to accomplish....anything? Or the idea that you think Any of the 4 players I mentioned aren't foolish enough to try to save a teammate in such an obvious way.In which DH asserts literally four mafia team mates coordinated a mass exodus from one counterwagon to another for the sole purpose of rescuing me, because apparently my survival is more important to the team's chances than oxygen. This is absolute crap; the kind of suspicion I would expect to see from someone playing in their first or second game ever.
Is that what I said? What I said was "Pay particular attention to the most suspicious of the voters, setting aside *****FOR NOW**** the less suspicious."Oh, but the motel room vote is cool though. Somehow he doesn't fit into the narrative. That's not arbitrary.
Except that's not at all what occured. You were likely to be lynched. Not two people, just you buddy. FZ actively participated in saving you by bussing onto someone she FULL ADMITTED she thought was being genuine. Civs do not bus other civs to save other civs. The math on that does not compute any way you try to spin it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In which DH pretends civilian-motivated preferential votes don't exist. "Two people are likely to be lynched. Any other vote would be pointless. I am going to vote for the bigger suspect of the two". This is not outlandish at all and there's no way you really believe it is.DharmaHelper wrote:1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
In which DH pretends to be incapable of grasping the an extremely basic concept within FZ's mindset. "If JJJ is mafia and his lynch was prevented by his team, then there was no immediate reason for his team mates to rush collectively to his rescue in the tally instead of some hiding on his own wagon in some mixture or another".DharmaHelper wrote:2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
Since I know with 100% certainty that I am not on any mafia team with FZ, I can see her perspective pretty easily. I think DH can too. Instead of truly showing any interest in engaging FZ on her thought process, he just grabs a few points and shits all over them for their surface appearance. This is textbook mafia behavior in my experience (literally, I've done it many times). A failure to think critically and instead just scream about the most obvious shit is not at all civilian and DH looks so much worse than FZ as a result.
None of you may care about my perspective now, but you should after you kill me.
I laughed when you didn't make any valid points but presented the invalid ones as loudly as you did.DharmaHelper wrote:What a joke that is.
I don't think you understand anything you just said.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In which DH pretends civilian-motivated preferential votes don't exist. "Two people are likely to be lynched. Any other vote would be pointless. I am going to vote for the bigger suspect of the two". This is not outlandish at all and there's no way you really believe it is.DharmaHelper wrote:1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
In which DH pretends to be incapable of grasping the an extremely basic concept within FZ's mindset. "If JJJ is mafia and his lynch was prevented by his team, then there was no immediate reason for his team mates to rush collectively to his rescue in the tally instead of some hiding on his own wagon in some mixture or another".DharmaHelper wrote:2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
Since I know with 100% certainty that I am not on any mafia team with FZ, I can see her perspective pretty easily. I think DH can too. Instead of truly showing any interest in engaging FZ on her thought process, he just grabs a few points and shits all over them for their surface appearance. This is textbook mafia behavior in my experience (literally, I've done it many times). A failure to think critically and instead just scream about the most obvious shit is not at all civilian and DH looks so much worse than FZ as a result.
None of you may care about my perspective now, but you should after you kill me.
I laughed when you didn't make any valid points but presented the invalid ones as loudly as you did.DharmaHelper wrote:What a joke that is.
Anybody coulda stopped that lynch man, you were down 2 votes at the end of all that shifty nonsense. Plenty of reason for a third party who was unconvinced of any guilt to stop it. Plenty of reason for someone to send the save in before you and LoRab even went at it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Remember that time a whole mob of team mates came together right in front of everyone to save one guy, who they also lynch-stopped?
Yeah me neither.
Oh I am quite sincere sir. You had me good until your teammates decided to completely flip the script on everybody.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If I'm a bad guy, all of you are playing into my hands by talking about me and only me. I'm already dead, but the distraction lives on. Huge waste of time.
Here's a face value read that I'll substantiate when time permits: HamburgerBoy is very sincere in his suspicion of me. MacDougall and DharmaHelper are not.
FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.
Welcome to my hell.HamburgerBoy wrote:I thought that was exclusively directed to me. I don't see others posting numbers either. Are you being serious right now?
Oh. DuhGolden wrote:Like, if one person in a team has a lynch stop, you can use it to successfully save anyone in your team. As opposed to just yourself.DharmaHelper wrote:Sorry, a what?Golden wrote:And if he is civ and his ability is to survive a death, why not survive this one?HamburgerBoy wrote:Because Jimmy was leading and if he's scum and his team can stop a lynch, why not this one?Golden wrote:A moment ago, your vote for Jimmy was primarily comparative, in that you'd perhaps have voted for others (eg sorsha) before voting for him.HamburgerBoy wrote:Jimmy
So why are you immediately voting for him again?
linki @marmot Oh, BowieRickman
Stopping a lynch is hardly predominately a scum ability.
I'll admit though... I'm interested in JJ's reaction too, because I think you are more likely to fight to avoid using up your ability if it is a team ability and you can only use it on one person. If I'm town and can survive a lynch, I probably make it more clear that I can survive and put less effort into not being lynched than JJ did.
Golden wrote:And if he is civ and his ability is to survive a death, why not survive this one?HamburgerBoy wrote:Because Jimmy was leading and if he's scum and his team can stop a lynch, why not this one?Golden wrote:A moment ago, your vote for Jimmy was primarily comparative, in that you'd perhaps have voted for others (eg sorsha) before voting for him.HamburgerBoy wrote:Jimmy
So why are you immediately voting for him again?
linki @marmot Oh, Bowie
Stopping a lynch is hardly predominately a scum ability.
I'll admit though... I'm interested in JJ's reaction too, because I think you are more likely to fight to avoid using up your ability if it is a team ability and you can only use it on one person. If I'm town and can survive a lynch, I probably make it more clear that I can survive and put less effort into not being lynched than JJ did.
HamburgerBoy wrote:You too of course. I thought DH would be less likely to speak out if I had flipped things and only accused you, though.MacDougall wrote:Or you, or me. Why would DH be the person who it doesn't make look good, and not me who you were already questioning the motives of?HamburgerBoy wrote:Also, if Jimmy is scum, by doing this they also managed to devalue this narrow gap. If they know the lynch doesn't count, they know that anyone voting for Jimmy could have just as easily been bussing without a worry. It's also therefore expected that someone from Jimmy's scumteam would have been around in the last hour or two as the bandwagons built. The results of this don't make Dharma look good, at least.
Sorry, a what?Golden wrote:And if he is civ and his ability is to survive a death, why not survive this one?HamburgerBoy wrote:Because Jimmy was leading and if he's scum and his team can stop a lynch, why not this one?Golden wrote:A moment ago, your vote for Jimmy was primarily comparative, in that you'd perhaps have voted for others (eg sorsha) before voting for him.HamburgerBoy wrote:Jimmy
So why are you immediately voting for him again?
linki @marmot Oh, Bowie
Stopping a lynch is hardly predominately a scum ability.
I'll admit though... I'm interested in JJ's reaction too, because I think you are more likely to fight to avoid using up your ability if it is a team ability and you can only use it on one person. If I'm town and can survive a lynch, I probably make it more clear that I can survive and put less effort into not being lynched than JJ did.
Dat teammate distancing tho 1/10Sorsha wrote:Yes he was. I think quiet tranq is normal especially early but I don't like that he voted and didn't post.HamburgerBoy wrote:Killcruited or whatever right? Wasn't he a zombie recruited by juliets?Golden wrote:I don't think he was recruited in WR.HamburgerBoy wrote:Not posting = not playing tho, and based on seeing Tranq both as a townie and a recruited scum, I can't imagine this is normal for him.
Yes tho.Sorsha wrote:NoDharmaHelper wrote:Tranq and Sorsha and FZ and JJJ confirmed mafia
Or you could vote for his teammate, for whom your vote is likely to matter more.juliets wrote:I am taking the position that Tranq is not silenced. I mean, who would silence him he's been silent all game. Now he comes in and votes for Lorab after being in no conversation about the dynamic of this lynch. I am voting him.
Bruh if you can't look at these LoRab votes and see some kind of fuckery, I can't help you.Golden wrote:Which one?DharmaHelper wrote:What kind of fuckboy wagon is this?
Because honestly, I'd agree with you that the JJ wagon is.
FZ. wrote:I have to be honest and say that despite my accusations of Lorab the past day, her response to me seemed a lot more genuine, even if flawed. It made me hesitate.But if it's between jjj and her, I'll go with her.
It does bother me that both Mac and HB, who know jjj better than us, think he could be bad. Why is that?
ARTFZ. wrote:I voted Lorab. Don't see any other options. Let's hope it's the right decision. Good night
I'm awarejuliets wrote:This also answers my question DH.DharmaHelper wrote:I don't think Golden is guilty of what he's been accused of. I also don't think Llama is bad for having accused him of it. Llama's actions fit with what I'd expect from him. Golden's response makes me just about certain of his innocence (because I've seen this exact scenario before), and Sorsha's attachment to such an accusation doesn't gel with me.Ricochet wrote:That's an odd angle. I vote Sorsha for second fiddle in the Golden debate, but can't make "heads or tails" of the main fiddler in that same debate (llama) and don't mention what you make of the debate itself (Golden - llama) at all.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not sure where I sit on the JJJ vs. Llama debate just yet. I was leaning JJ until his posts on Boom which read honest. And I haven't made heads or tails of the case on llama at all. So in the meantime I'm placing a token vote on Sorsha for her odd comments regarding Golden's culpability in Fuzz's death.
I don't think Golden is guilty of what he's been accused of. I also don't think Llama is bad for having accused him of it. Llama's actions fit with what I'd expect from him. Golden's response makes me just about certain of his innocence (because I've seen this exact scenario before), and Sorsha's attachment to such an accusation doesn't gel with me.Ricochet wrote:That's an odd angle. I vote Sorsha for second fiddle in the Golden debate, but can't make "heads or tails" of the main fiddler in that same debate (llama) and don't mention what you make of the debate itself (Golden - llama) at all.DharmaHelper wrote:I'm not sure where I sit on the JJJ vs. Llama debate just yet. I was leaning JJ until his posts on Boom which read honest. And I haven't made heads or tails of the case on llama at all. So in the meantime I'm placing a token vote on Sorsha for her odd comments regarding Golden's culpability in Fuzz's death.
Golden wrote:Were you more important than the other civilians who died instead because you had a powerful role, or merely because you are Epi?Epignosis wrote:Nope.Golden wrote:The game is 'whole team wins'. No civilian should care if they die for looking too civilian. I do not, personally, care about dying in this game if it ultimately is in the name of winning the civilians the game. The name of this game is not 'survive', its get your team the win. For this reason, figuring out who the civs are is important. Trying to keep to yourself any idea of what looks like civilian behaviour and why is directly harmful to the civilian cause.
There is literally no scenario I can fathom in this game in which the best interests of a civilian is not to call out who their civilian reads are.
I carried the civilians in Talking Heads by making sure I was suspected off and on. I wasn't the main reason we won, but I was a critical periphery.
