The Syndicate

When I got it I got it, what can I say.

2 out of my last 3 games were W's. Neato burrito.

I don't get the "meta" of priority replacements having to be mafia.

If there are 4 people on my mafia team and one of them is inactive, we still get our NK, and at minimum we still get 3/4 of our other night powers, and we still get 3 players who are in BTSC, planning, working to win the game. I'm of the view that the inactive person's ability should be able to be used by the active mafia (or failing that, the town should be able to figure out that "X power hasn't shown up and X player hasn't been active, so X is bad. Got em")

Inactive civs are much higher priorty in terms of replacements to me. They have no one to pick up their slack, they're not contributing to Lynch talks, and they're not using their power to help the civs.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:18 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:44 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:04 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:58 pm thank you LC for depriving Speedchuck of his wincon and putting me back in first place B)

This actually unreasonably pisses me off. Apparently this competition isn't good for me. You can have it.

hey dude i'm sorry. i didn't really mean it. i was just caught up in the rush of victory, i don't really feel that way.

at the end when epi implied that the game wasn't over because of an indie wincon we decided to kill wilgy to try and make sure either one of you could get a survivor win if that's what it was.

i don't actually care about rival meta beyond it being a nice friendly competition with you and a reason to try slightly harder in games, if you want to retire rival meta that's fine. i'm sorry i was being shitty. you're my friend and if this rivalry thing is getting negative in any way we can kill it.

Nah, it's alright. I was salty about a few things last night, and like I said, being unreasonable. Enjoy your victory, dude.

I almost considered making a plea in the thread that last day, that we could just lynch Wily, and then I'd vote with the mafia to kill LC/Wilgy afterward. Had the post all written out, then deleted it. Kinda wish I'd posted it.

Anyway, mafia is a team game, it can't really be won by yourself. So rival meta doesn't actually make sense. Maybe we should quit. But I'm probably not going to.

You're my friend too, man. Sorry I got bite-y.

This woulda been a real hoot.

If *one* of DF/Dom/Soneji/Doc had voted to lynch Kyle, or hell, if DF/Dom/Soneji had voted to lynch me over Knees (Did DF vote in that lynch?) You're looking at a completely different game. And we the mafia would have had significantly more difficulty winning the game if we'd targeted inactive players, and left active players on the board to vote in and direct those pivotal lynches. Fuck that noise.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:02 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:58 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:51 am What happened to Kyle's integrity? I thought he was one that people said would definitely never stoop so low as to kill JJJ first night, and to kill exclusively active players?

that wasn't actually the plan, even though it ended up that way. we targeted players who we thought would be the hardest to get lynched later on, and players who were on to us, which i guess ended up mostly being players who were already active.

Well you gave up your right to be let off the hook for it. Forever.

i've never needed to be let off the hook for that before so it probably won't effect my life much

What do you think of the idea that it's harmful to a game to kill off the active players?

I'll take this one, Your Honor.

Yes it is harmful to the civilian game for the mafia to kill off active players. But the mafia have no obligation not to do harm to the civilians' chances of winning the game. Inactive civilian players do immeasurably more damage to the civilian cause, and have an obligation not to do so.

Which is why I hold that it is perfectly valid in the early game to lynch inactive players if you have nowhere more promising to go.

"Funky" with respect to the idea that I didn't want to get lynched and I'm mad that I did get lynched. There.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:00 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:50 amHonestly, and I hope LC knows me well enough to know that when I say this I still think of him as a friend and a good player and a good guy and all that, but I was surprised after all the cards were down with his actions at the end there.

Obviously he didn't know Kyle was Wily, or that Speed was Cossack, or that Speeds only requirement for winning was to have Kyle die, but Sniping me out when he could have and probably should have just let Kyle bite it is funky to me.

Even with Kyle dead, we (the mafia) would have still taken home the W. Though also something to consider is that LC had no way to guarantee that the tie would bend in a favorable way. Dumping his vote onto Chuck and then flipping the lynch onto me (an outted baddie) was in his view the smartest move. Even if it was in the end futile.

Well, you nailed it already, so I don't see why you'd think it was funky.

From my perspective, it was three Civs and three baddies, PLUS Gemini Man. The fact that the game hadn't ended with Jack's lynch meant, to me, that the Civs still somehow had a chance. I'm still not clear why it didn't end with Jack's lynch.

If the Civs had a chance, then certainly my power would play a part. I could force a baddie lynch. I had to choose to flip the lynch a half hour before the lynch was done. So, I could have chosen to do nothing, and then AT BEST we get a tie between Speedchuck and Kylemii. I asked about how ties were decided, but there was no answer. So I assumed a coin flip.

So my choice was between doing nothing, and crossing my fingers for a coin flip victory, hoping that nova or Gemini weren't going to make an appearance... or ensuring that a baddie died. I think if you consider that, you'll realize that there was nothing 'funky' about what I did. It was the only possible way to try to get a Civ victory. Right?

I guess I kinda talked my way through it huh.


I mean I get why you did it, and its no skin off my back. I think Epi was holding out to see if Kyle bit one. Which could have been possible after the Jack lynch if I guess certain people did or didn't vote, or if certain powers were used a certain way. I dunno. I'd have to re-check or w/e and see who was alive at what time. Like, if you guys had actually managed to lynch Kyle via coin flip or if Wilgy had shown up and lynched Kyle, there you go Cossack gets his win. Calling it early would've robbed him of that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:00 am i think jay was mostly picked because he was active, but i don't think i was the one who picked him

Wasn't me.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:38 am Just as an aside, in DFS mafia. We had practically everyone (minus DH being cranky) participating and it pegged the entire mafia team on the extended day0 and 1 phase.

Because everyone was active.

In this, we had maybe half the players active, and a quarter of them werre semi active at best

Like losing the three inactives who were all town totally screwed us over


I also want to know from Epi why we couldn’t replace into dead player slots. Whatever game mechanic was inhibiting that

My DFS play was me

1. Genuinely getting overwhelmed/swamped by *CERTAIN PLAYERS WHO SHALL REMAIN SOCKNONYMOUS* very high post counts
2. Kind of wondering what it's like to chill and not take the game so seriously
3. Intentionally fucking with a majority of you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:51 am What happened to Kyle's integrity? I thought he was one that people said would definitely never stoop so low as to kill JJJ first night, and to kill exclusively active players?

Yo Kyle was so sad in BTSC about all that. He was all "This is so dirty I feel so bad but what're ya gonna do" and "Dangit now I can never say I'd never do this ever again dangit"

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:33 am I’m satisfied to know I got everyone on the mafia team besides DH

Should’ve done the old “mafia gets priority replacements arguement” because it’s 90% true always

Also I’m dissapointed st the lack of activity the happened this game. I thought the setup itself was great Epi

But yeah I don’t even care but I’m gonna say it, it’s super shitty the mafia team laid low the entire game and DH basically had to carry them.

I really want to hear Speedchucks thing about inactives

I dunno if I carried anybody, but I'm happy to be perceived as a super good and talented player

Honestly, and I hope LC knows me well enough to know that when I say this I still think of him as a friend and a good player and a good guy and all that, but I was surprised after all the cards were down with his actions at the end there.

Obviously he didn't know Kyle was Wily, or that Speed was Cossack, or that Speeds only requirement for winning was to have Kyle die, but Sniping me out when he could have and probably should have just let Kyle bite it is funky to me.

Even with Kyle dead, we (the mafia) would have still taken home the W. Though also something to consider is that LC had no way to guarantee that the tie would bend in a favorable way. Dumping his vote onto Chuck and then flipping the lynch onto me (an outted baddie) was in his view the smartest move. Even if it was in the end futile.

Also, I was pissed a little bit that I subbed into a mafia team because I was like "Well shit now they're gonna think I'm bad because I subbed in and everyone knows when you sub in you're mafia"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:32 pm Also, in case anyone hadn't figured it out, the colored letters were to spell Cossack's code word "GAMMA."

Clever

Thanks Epi for providing both of my 2018 wins fam.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:19 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:17 pm Draft-Style games would be something I'd love to see more of in the future. Completely bonkers stuff. Coulda gone either way at any point to be fair.

I think it ended up balanced, though I do agree that the inactives tipped things in the mafia's favor, but I have no control over that.

It turned out very balanced I think. Would be funny as hell to see a Draft Game that ended up with a monster team one way or the other.

Draft-Style games would be something I'd love to see more of in the future. Completely bonkers stuff. Coulda gone either way at any point to be fair.

Kyle wasn't gonna be around to send in the kill and nova wanted to kill Long Con but I was like "Nah son Dyslexicon gotta die today" and wow I really needed that shot to my ego after Firefly Mafia this is the best night.

Oh hey we correctly guessed Dyslexicon was the vote forcer that's cool we're smart as fuck.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:51 pm Also, I just wanna day it really messes with the balance of a game to have four unreplaced inactive townies and it’s a shame that a game that was constructed with such care and was otherwise so much fun was tainted by the town being deprived of two lynches.

We were equally as upset about the inactivity in BTSC.

Me personally, and Epi knows this, I hate inactivity. As a player and a host, I just can't stand it. If you sign up you should play. Life happens and I get those instances of inactivity but a majority of the time inactive players aren't inactive due to some life-altering emergency, they just don't care to play. I dunno.

Kyle and Nova and everyone that was here before I replaced in did most of the heavy lifting but the Jack lynch was my idea. I figured the math favored us anyway, and my thinking was if I flipped bad, the town would lynch Kyle and by that point nova would be SOL thanks to POE. So I thought "What the hell"

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:49 pm I never figured out how to utilise my power correctly, I was submerging people willy-nilly

I tracked you when you bubbled Speedchuck and didn't realize who you were until after that lynch, then we NKed you. Would've been smarter I think to lynch you over Jack but what're ya gonna do.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:42 pm This was a winnable game for the civs, we dropped the ball on a few close votes, but I feel personally responsible for voting KNess over DH that one time

Curse my alphabetically superior moniker.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] Explain.

Cool game Epi, good job Teammates.

Good effort everyone who voted and posted and played.

My W/L ratio is back baby.

Wow bless Long Con prince of my heart and my forever smeagol.

Hey you know what would be great would be if this tie "magically" resolved itself a certain favorable way

Oof what a saucy day its been.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:40 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:41 pm Guess I'll vote Chuck

"Why not Kylemii, since he did that huge betrayal and switched to Jack? Or Nova?"

I mean I'm on Chuck for now but I could switch to just about anywhere really. If the case is there. IDK.

Guess I'll vote Chuck

Epi out here wildin

Is this the first game Epi has modkilled inactives?

Sugma.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:58 pm we're spending so much time worrying about Dr. Wiley, when we should be worrying about Sigma :\

Yeah right not falling for that one again.

Goopsie

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:23 pm All dead people are off the poll.

At least one dead person is still on the poll technically.

Hey fam aint math great.

It is now Night 9.

My master stroke.

And you guys thought one of me was bad :/

These hoes aint royal.

MY LIFE IS DUMB AND I DO DUMB SHIT

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:49 pm Good Idea: Stop posting in the fucking POLLS thread. Hey!

Practice what you preach much?

GOT EM

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:44 pm So it's Kyle DH nova as Mafia, and TH, speed, Long Con, and Wilgy as Civs. One of us will die tonight. Gemini Man will vote, I assume, unless his powers are used up. Why is this still going? Does someone still have a trick up their sleeve? Signs point to "I hope so!"

Also not a Cut Man slip, DH, come on man.

Epi is a fun boi

Snip Snip m'boy

I told you the Cut Mang thing was trash garbo.

MY RUSE!

My boi u out here wildin