The Syndicate

I will have to catch up to all the stuff I missed whilst away.

I know who I wont be voting for again tomorrow.

Rest well Zany Dex.

HASHTAG SWAG MACHINE #SwagMachine

Psh, nobody talk or anything.

Wait we're voting for people we want to lynch?

Voted for DharmaHelper.

RIP nobody.

RIP all the dead bitches.

Whilst it pains me ever so dearly to see we've lost a valued role, I cannot think of another possible way this could have ended. I think boo was his own undoing, unfortunately. His belligerence and arrogance made it impossible for me to see him as a civvie. And he seemed determined to have things come down to "I die or DH dies." And unfortunately for him, I value my life infinitely more than I do his. Although I will say that I mourn his passing in equal measure as I celebrate my own continued survival.

Well that sucks. I'll be back in one week after my vacation!

@Epig - If I had to vote between bea or Boat's I would pick bea. Again I'm hung up on how big yet empty her posts are. It feels to me that she is putting on the face of someone who is into discussion and participating, but not actually doing that. I could be wrong and it's definitely not enough to sway me right now, but you put a gun to my head so there you go.

@MP Would you kindly end the contest*

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*at your own leisure and without feeling any obligation to do so by myself, your humble and loyal servant in all things.

Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Florida for a week Epig.
We used to live there. What part?

Orlando! Though we're staying away from parks this year and just focusing on having fun in Orlando proper.

I don't know what to think about this Ace/Boo revelation. On the one hand ID necessarily GAF what Aces gut is telling him because my gut is telling me the opposite. And things have backed up my gut. On the other hand, if I'm wrong about boo I'll feel pretty dumb. Though I won't feel all that bad as, as I said, he seems to be in a mode that can best be described as "me or him" so, I'll pick him every time. Boats (and other non voters) being slammed by MP is something I've considered and is a good point in favor of letting nature take its course on that front. Though in GOB's case, he seems to be catching the votes and just not posting, so that might be something to address ourselves rather than let MP handle it behind the scenes.

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Florida for a week Epig.

Russtifinko wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
My personal opinion is that boo was lying his ass off. The specifics of what he's said (and how he presented himself) doesn't add up if what he were saying is actually true. It's primarily AceofSpaces reaction that stays my hand- that, and the fact that we have no shortage of others worth lynching.

The takeaway from this, I guess, is if boo is your #1 suspect and you're not buying what he's selling, then by all means, vote for him. I'm just a little nervous is all.

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Ok, well I fully agree that boo was lying his ass off, and so I'm glad I voted him. I don't know what to make of Aces suddenly defending him, especially after they went at each other Day 1. In light of this, contrary to what I said before, I will now give Aces a very hard look if boo does flip bad. It's possible the Day 1 thing was staged. Wanna hear more thoughts regarding others? Ask me! Hint: I'm trying to up my post count.

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Ah, I didn't notice you had already voted. Sorry!

Your theory about AceofSpaces and boo staging their animosity (and therefore this outlandish episode) did cross my mind. The reason I dismissed it is that AceofSpaces came very close to being lynched on Day 2, and boo voted for him. That makes it very hard for me to believe that the Ace vs boo Day 1 wasn't genuine.

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That's a very good point. In that case, I don't know what to make of Aces either way yet. Have you noticed that Ajira is signed on? I don't recall seeing any posts from him for a while. I wonder if he'll contribute any thoughts?

Linki: Speak of the devil. I'll have to read up, but Skyping my girlfriend first.

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Practice safe Skyping - Wear an internet condom!

Epig, good job on the posting contest! Seems I fell behind slightly due to taking today to prep and pack for vacation. Oh well at least I'm not last.

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Boomslang wrote:Well, Boat's catching up was a slip that he has BTSC with someone, not necessarily that he's bad. What people should really be considering is how many civs have BTSC vs. how many baddies have BTSC. Based on my reading of the rules, Ryan and Sullivan have some communication with each other, the Fontaine crew has full BTSC, and Cohen has BTSC with Jack at a certain point that I don't think we've reached yet. I'm sure there are secrets, but these are the main communications. Dr. Suchong is already down, so the odds seem more half and half that Boat's BTSC is bad.

Epignosis, Aces, did you guys remember bea's asking about who made civ BTSC comments? Well, I certainly did and looked back to see the source of it as I also remembered reading that in my catch up. Some things I would like to point out to folks such as but not limited to Epignosis, Aces, Bullz, nutella, you get the idea etc etc:

1) Ryan does not have BTSC with Sullivan. Ryan sends Sullivan a name to kill through the hosts on even nights.

2) Fontaines Crew are mafia. Or at least as close to mafia as can be interpreted, given their propensity for killing, their btsc, and their win conditions. And the whole thing with everyone being super stoked Suchong was lynched.

3. Cohen is more indy than civvie, given that he has the posibility of going...well...indy. And Jack is in Fontaine's Crew, refer to number 2.

Anyway I think the bigger point here is that any btsc that is not directly related to a team of killers is either temporary or non existant, nothing that could certainly have occured quickly enough for boat's catch up to be excused as civ btsc.

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Epignosis wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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I am amused that boo's new thing is "If I can get lynched and that leads to DH getting lynched then hurray!". Because if boo's goal is for me to lose, then beating him will carry with it some great satisfaction whether he turns up bad or not. Having offered no legitimate defense, I can assume that he probably will turn up bad. :yay:

Had he made any effort to defend himself I would probably think differently (As Bullz and Nev have) but this just screams arrogance, and I cannot abide arrogance.

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@Boo

Russtifinko wrote:RIPIYWG Eloh and Lizzy!

nutella wrote: I feel kind of bad for the non-contest-participants since we really are taking over the thread :/ Though I also feel bad for Russti because it seems he'll lose because he was gone, that seems kinda unfair but whatever :/

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That's ok, nutella. It' my fault for signing up and being gone. If I lose I'll take the consequences.

My very sincere thanks to Epi for the sparknotes of the sparknotes, and to DH for this enlightening and easy-to-follow catchup. I read up for myself and I think I'm more or less back on board now, and I'm not entirely sure I could have done it without you guys.
Apologies to our host for having been very in-and-out this game; I'll be really pissed if anything else comes up to stop me from being involved, but I doubt it will.

DharmaHelper wrote:Russ, I will try and collect as much suspicions as I can for your perusement! Perusment? Perusing.

I make a compelling and sexy case on a few people here

Boo is acting a fool and is suspected (at least by me) once more due to his posts here and here

I explain in more detail why those posts are suspicious here and here and in some other places as well but I wanna hit as much as possible as quickly as possible.

People are finding boats suspicious for this reason

beas post here has some people thinking she was insincere. As well as her general "confused tee hee" vibe.

Alot of silent players/wacky players are coming under fire for being silent or wacky (INH, Vomps, Dex,)

People are pretty sure Epignosis is a nub,

I'm not confident about nutella based on this exchange But not enough to put a vote out.
Trying very hard to see if I missed anything. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Alot of the bullz stuff is in that first link case, and in the discussion shortly thereafter.

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My top suspect is definitely boo, and in fact that's where my vote is going today.

votes boo

I don't like role hinting as a rule, because I think it's against the spirit of the game, and I especially don't like threats disguised as role hints. Boo's response also seems pretty over-the-top considering he was one of a fairly large number of suspects.

If he's evil will it make others feel better about Aces? I think I would, based on their interesting Day 1 interaction (the one that drew a lot of votes for Aces on Day 2, where Aces didn't explain his boo vote and then boo revenge-voted him).

Boats is probably my #2 right now because of how fast he caught up. I know from personal experience that's not possible, and it may have been a slip.

bea's vote looks bad, but I haven't gotten the insincere vibe from her that others have. I'll keep an eye on her, but she's fairly far behind my top 2 for now.

I don't think Epi's a nub. I think llama's lynch shows us that his method for finding baddies isn't perfect (and is, perhaps, a cautionary tale against tunnel vision), but whose is perfect? I think so far he's done a great job of baddie sniffing. (1 of 2 is great in a game with, what 24 civs and 12 non-civs?)

I'll need to reread Bullz and nutella tomorrow. DH too, although that's a book at this point, since I think Epi mentioned he was being suspected. Those are my main thoughts for now, I guess.

Oh! And I'm totally up in the air about Dex now. I was leaning bad on him, but I'm less sure since better suspects are emerging. I think I said before, we'd have been pretty lucky to have 2 of our 3 top vote-getters be bad on Day 2. However, I think the following is a brilliant explanation of why wacky players are harmful no matter what their alignment. I've actually gotten a lot less wackiness from Vomps than usual this game, but it applies to Dex and a few others, I think.

DharmaHelper wrote: I just want to address the whole Vomps thing for a minute, Snow. I've seen alot of players who develop similar "wacky" personas that people can use to excuse otherwise baddie behavior. They do dumb stuff because they know they can get away with it. I can name a few people off the top of my head who do this and to be quite honest, as the game progresses, that behavior becomes less and less tolerable. I know we're playing a game, but we're also trying to compete when it comes down to it. And when we have people who are not competing, contributing, etc, or who are acting wacky for the sake of acting wacky, it lessens our chances of competing successfully. Because either A) Their acting wacky, catch flak, and are civ or B) Their acting wacky, get excused, and are bad.

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I'm not done catching up, but I wanted to answer your question Russ. If boo is evil, I think it may make me feel better about Aces, yes. Though it will only really make me feel a little better, because there is another set of baddies to watch out for depending on where boo falls. And IDK off the top of my head if Aces helped to lynch BWT (I think he revenge voted boo?), but if boo flips bad, taking a look at Aces to MAKE SURE he's cleared is something I'd do.

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Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Bullzeye and boo voted for AceofSpaces Day 2 and then voted for Logan Day 3. bea didn't vote for Logan on Day 3. That was the common ground I was focusing on: Who voted for Ace D2 and then Logan D3?

Thanks for pointing this out. bea tied it up, and then DFaraday sealed bird's fate immediately after her vote.

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Bea's vote on D3 was after it was *really* obvious who was getting lynched - I don't think who she voted for at that point has any real implications about her role. I actually suspect her a little *more* (just a little) for not voting for llama at that point; once it's clear a civ is going down, baddies are more likely to vote elsewhere, to gain a little deniability without impacting the game at all.

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I suppose I was taking the more direct, "obvious" route in my analysis, but that makes a lot of sense too. Casting a potentially bad guy-saving vote so late is rather damning, and then voting for someone who couldn't possibly be lynched does seem like something a bad guy would do. Here is bea's post:

bea wrote:At work and on my phone. All the llama votes are making me nervious. I still don't get baddie vibes from him though. DB's long post is pretty well put together. I shall follow him and go with bulls.
She just went along with DH (I assume that's who DB is).

So I take it you are most in favor of lynching bea?

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DF, Epi, Snow Dog et al:

I think I've about exhausted my analysis for this lynch. I don't know what my schedule will be like tomorrow, so I am going to be brave and go ahead and vote. I'll scan and definitely look for if anyone asks me a question, etc., but at this point I really need to spend some time at the gym and doing much-neglected housework. See you guys on the flipside

* votes Boo *

also:

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That make three votes cast. There are none for Bullz and none for Boats and none for bea.

Also, it's interesting that Boomslang has been exempt from the B discussion. Dex actually called him bad.

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The day we start treating mafia like an episode of Sesame Street is the day I fart rainbows.

Thanks.

Russ, I will try and collect as much suspicions as I can for your perusement! Perusment? Perusing.

I make a compelling and sexy case on a few people here

Boo is acting a fool and is suspected (at least by me) once more due to his posts here and here

I explain in more detail why those posts are suspicious here and here and in some other places as well but I wanna hit as much as possible as quickly as possible.

People are finding boats suspicious for this reason

beas post here has some people thinking she was insincere. As well as her general "confused tee hee" vibe.

Alot of silent players/wacky players are coming under fire for being silent or wacky (INH, Vomps, Dex,)

People are pretty sure Epignosis is a nub,

I'm not confident about nutella based on this exchange But not enough to put a vote out.
Trying very hard to see if I missed anything. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Alot of the bullz stuff is in that first link case, and in the discussion shortly thereafter.

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Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:This is what that should say
Again I think that is a major consequence and drawback of the contest. Folks like you and I and Bullz and Mongoose are ripping it up posting and contemplating, and the silent majority are being silent. Personally I can't wait till this thing is over and done with so I can take a minute to shut up.

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You're welcome to do that now, DH. I think you've earned a nice long break from posting. Seriously, go have a beer. Check and see if Honey Boo Boo is on.

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While I appreciate your encouragement of underage drinking, I value winning more than I value sanity. As in Avant and Grimms, I will be doing my dern best to make sure the benefits of this contest end up in the hands of someone I can trust. And there is no one I trust more than me to be civ-minded.
But you weren't civ-minded in Grimm's, were you?

Seriously though, I would be almost just as happy with the satisfaction of winning. As I mentioned though, I got called into work yesterday and today. And do you know what I did there? Stuff I could have done at home.

Also, looking at Dex's Day 1 vote made me look at Dom's votes. They were: llama, Snow Dog, llama.

And underage drinking is a misguided social construct.

I wasn't in Grimms, no, lol. But I am here, for sure. Is there anything you can draw from Dom's votes? Because speaking of Avant he fooled me there, so if something can be linked to him here I would be more than interested in it.

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Epignosis wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:This is what that should say
Again I think that is a major consequence and drawback of the contest. Folks like you and I and Bullz and Mongoose are ripping it up posting and contemplating, and the silent majority are being silent. Personally I can't wait till this thing is over and done with so I can take a minute to shut up.

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You're welcome to do that now, DH. I think you've earned a nice long break from posting. Seriously, go have a beer. Check and see if Honey Boo Boo is on.

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While I appreciate your encouragement of underage drinking, I value winning more than I value sanity. As in Avant and Grimms, I will be doing my dern best to make sure the benefits of this contest end up in the hands of someone I can trust. And there is no one I trust more than me to be civ-minded.

This is what that should say
Again I think that is a major consequence and drawback of the contest. Folks like you and I and Bullz and Mongoose are ripping it up posting and contemplating, and the silent majority are being silent. Personally I can't wait till this thing is over and done with so I can take a minute to shut up.

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Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Mongoose, to respond again to your question about my confidence in the boo vote and the tunnel vision I might have, I just noticed something reading what Boomslang just quoted. Did you see where boo says his lynch "will set the civvies back...from where YOU currently sit at". Language like that, that seperates one from being within the civvies, unnerves me. I think if boo was civ he would have made at least some effort to defend himself, but I also think if he was civvie he would have said "us" and "we", if that makes sense. He doesn't count himself amongst the civvies in his defense.

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That is pretty damning. You know what? I think you've won me over to your side. it doesn't mean I am not seriously digging Boats for subsequent lynches.

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Yep, Boo isn't looking too good as a civ. His post was too threatening for my tastes. I can definitely see myself swinging to a Boo vote if nothing stronger doesn't show up or get spotted.

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Again I think that is a major consequence and drawback of the contest. Folks like you and I and Bullz and Mongoose are ripping it up posting and contemplating, and the silent majority are being silent. Personally I can't wait till this thing is over and done with so I can take a minute to shut up.

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I am dying to know what other people think about boo.

Zany Dex also hasn't said anything, and I know he's been around.

His last post (before the "lynch the Bitches") was this grammatically questionable gem:

Zany Dex wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Zany Dex wrote:Hahaha. There is no chance in hell I'm being lynched today!!!

Mwahahahha
We'll see about that. *votes Dex*
I think your bad

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Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Yeah! If you've had your name called, stand up and be counted.

Epi - Want to tell us a little bit more of Spaghetti's tactics in Video Game Mafia? What is insertnamehere like as a baddie?
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It wasn't really a tactic- he sort of fell off the face of the planet, but he was still answering his PMs (to my good fortune, since he helped me avoid a lynch).

I don't know what insertnamehere is like. Apparently he likes to screw with people's heads as a host.

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Devin was more vocal at the beginning, but haven't really seen much of him lately. Also, I went back all the way to llama's lynch on Tuesday. DF checked in then and yesterday. So did Devin and indiglo. Looks like indiglo has been having some stormy weather. But I went all the way back 48 hours and didn't see one post from Russti, who usually seems a bit more active. Anyone know/remember why he's not more active right now?

DH - Thanks for the input on DH.

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Anytime I can give input on DH, let me know.

@Mongoose & Epig, I know INH somewhat. Sometimes his style is very wacky like Vomp or Dex, but he's also very competitive and effective when he needs to be. As a tribe mate of his during Doober's Survivor mafia, I think he'd be a valuable and dangerous asset for any baddie team.

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Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
nutella wrote:DH- Yeah I figured the same about Suchong/plasmids. But it would still expedite Fontaine turning into a nasty killer. In any case I might have to bite on Boo's fishhook for now. I've been leaning more towards voting for Boats today anyway.

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A dead bad guy is a dead bad guy.

I'm beginning to wonder who is slipping under the radar. It's Day 4 and there are plenty of quiet people.

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I feel like we haven't heard much from GOB (who is admittedly new) and indiglo. I think Ajira checked in yesterday, right? Missing anyone?

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GOB checked in immediately after bea noted that he hadn't been checking in. That was pretty funny, but also I guess kind of pingy. Ajira is usually pretty insightful so I do want to hear from him, and I have no idea about indiglo.

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Epignosis wrote:
nutella wrote:DH- Yeah I figured the same about Suchong/plasmids. But it would still expedite Fontaine turning into a nasty killer. In any case I might have to bite on Boo's fishhook for now. I've been leaning more towards voting for Boats today anyway.

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A dead bad guy is a dead bad guy.

I'm beginning to wonder who is slipping under the radar. It's Day 4 and there are plenty of quiet people.

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I agree that getting a bad guy is a win however you shake it. One thing I do want to point out is that the contest may be scaring the people who aren't in it into not participating. That or they're hiding behind the contest. Either way, If I could address them I'd assure them that the contest is not a scary monster. Anyone who has any thoughts should contribute them regardless of the contest.

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Nutella - That seems like a solid theory. One thing I want to point out is Suchong died rather early, so he can't have made that many dangerous plasmids. Although regardless of the amount of plasmids it looks like Fontaine will be a very dangerous killer anyway..

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Linki @ Epig lol boobs.

Mongoose, to respond again to your question about my confidence in the boo vote and the tunnel vision I might have, I just noticed something reading what Boomslang just quoted. Did you see where boo says his lynch "will set the civvies back...from where YOU currently sit at". Language like that, that seperates one from being within the civvies, unnerves me. I think if boo was civ he would have made at least some effort to defend himself, but I also think if he was civvie he would have said "us" and "we", if that makes sense. He doesn't count himself amongst the civvies in his defense.

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@Mongoose

I feel like I have all my ducks in a row with boo. So if in fact I am wrong, it's not without having done my due diligence, and boo's behavior has done him no favors. In response to I think Snow who asked when the Dex vote was, I am refering to the Day 2 Dex vote, because as some people pointed out Dex/Aces/BWT were close in numbers for a bit. Maybe not tied, but certainly close enough.

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Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
I am actually leaning towards if one of the people in my original case is bwt's team mate, then someone else in that net is also bwt's teammate. I have a hard time believing with the vote that close, and the game that young, bwt's team hung him out to dry. If it were me I would have done anything and everything this early to keep a teammate alive and would have just rolled with the punches depending on how Ace flipped. I guess I could be mistaken, but I'm 70% sure both teammates are in that pool, and 99% sure at least one is.

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I'm with you on the latter, but I don't think most baddie teams would gamble to that degree. In fact, if it were my team, one of us would have tried to save, and the other would have been among the most strident accusers (but not me!), trying to build sufficient credit to make it alone if the save fails. On the other hand, if we get one of them, the odds of finding another in the remaining two still seem high enough that I'd give that a shot with you. Better than guessing, for sure.

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One thing I'd like to do is pursue the Dex voters analysis. Unfortunately the nature of the contest and my nature of wanting to win the damn thing will cheapen whatever I put out at this point so I'd rather wait to do that. On the other hand, if someone else wants to put something like that out, I'd love to give it a look see.

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I think for a lot of us, the Dex vote was a "flying by the seat of your pants" vote. It was before the BBB saga had really gotten underway. I know I was torn between Lizzy and Dex at that time. It's not like we had nothing to go on, but it was the only option for a real ping (in my case anywa).

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Well the only reason I feel the Dex voters need a looking at is I want to give everyone a fair shake. I don't like when I get tunnel vision and it ends up lynching civs. I suppose it comes down to that thing I mentioned earlier about the confidence I have in my game.

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Nevinera wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
I am actually leaning towards if one of the people in my original case is bwt's team mate, then someone else in that net is also bwt's teammate. I have a hard time believing with the vote that close, and the game that young, bwt's team hung him out to dry. If it were me I would have done anything and everything this early to keep a teammate alive and would have just rolled with the punches depending on how Ace flipped. I guess I could be mistaken, but I'm 70% sure both teammates are in that pool, and 99% sure at least one is.

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I'm with you on the latter, but I don't think most baddie teams would gamble to that degree. In fact, if it were my team, one of us would have tried to save, and the other would have been among the most strident accusers (but not me!), trying to build sufficient credit to make it alone if the save fails. On the other hand, if we get one of them, the odds of finding another in the remaining two still seem high enough that I'd give that a shot with you. Better than guessing, for sure.

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One thing I'd like to do is pursue the Dex voters analysis. Unfortunately the nature of the contest and my nature of wanting to win the damn thing will cheapen whatever I put out at this point so I'd rather wait to do that. On the other hand, if someone else wants to put something like that out, I'd love to give it a look see.

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Mongoose wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
nutella wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I was in a library when I read that, and I laughed.

DharmaHelper- there is so little "evidence" because it is Day 4 and BoatsBoatsBoats has posted a grand total of seven times. His third one smells funny to me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 735#p23735

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I agree with this. Boats only has a few posts, and pretty much all of them ping me in some way or another. Another point worth mentioning is his self-vote, which I know was discussed as a wifom/risky thing to do, but combined with the rest of his oddness only makes him look worse IMO.

I'm still not sure what to think about Boo. DH may be right to think it's BS. But I'm also still looking a bit at Bullzeye:

Bullzeye wrote: I still think Boats is suspcious but I'm pretty much the reverse of where you're at. I'd like to see Boo or Bea lynched today in the hope that one of them is BWT's teammate.
This just rubs me the wrong way. He wants to lynch either Boo or Bea even though he is basically in the same boat as them, "in hopes that" one of them is BWT's teammate -- seems like he wants to discredit the possibility that he's BWT's teammate.

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I know I'm not BWT's teammate, hence why I didn't put myself as a possibility. I'm not seriously going to suggest you lynch me even if I was a baddie, am I? I think if we lynch one of those two and find them to be BWT's teammate the other is unlikely to be as I don't personally think his whole team voted the same way, it's too much of a risk for them.

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I think it's more about the perception of other players on why you could be in the same theoretical boat as Boo and Bea. While it would be a big risk for BWT's team to all vote the same way, it might be an ingenious tactic for them to do so. Do something so blatantly pingy that we literally wouldn't believe they would do it.

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I am actually leaning towards if one of the people in my original case is bwt's team mate, then someone else in that net is also bwt's teammate. I have a hard time believing with the vote that close, and the game that young, bwt's team hung him out to dry. If it were me I would have done anything and everything this early to keep a teammate alive and would have just rolled with the punches depending on how Ace flipped. I guess I could be mistaken, but I'm 70% sure both teammates are in that pool, and 99% sure at least one is.

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Epig you make a great point about Boat's post count. I am, if its not totally obvious by now, of the mind that participation and contribution are paramount, with a few very specific exceptions. If we saw more from Boats I would be more than happy to swing one way or the other.

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Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
nutella wrote:RIP Eloh and Lizzy Now that Eloh's gone I have a serious risk of losing the contest And Vomps is hinting strongly about Lizzy so I'm worried that I might have been wrong about her... but clearly a splicer saw fit to kill her so I'm not the only one.

I'm looking at boats and boo today.

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Even after re-reading all the Boo and Boat posts earlier, I have once again mixed them up and have just re-read through all that mess for a third time. I gotta start eating carbs. Anyway, I am leaning towards Boats at this point. But any compelling arguments for Boo could sway me. The Lizzy death really threw me too, so I am now focusing on the B's.

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You don't see my case against boo as compelling? I'm offended! On a serious note, his defense seems to have gone from "Nope not defending myself" to "Fuck you lol lynch me IDK eat a dong". Neither are very civvie ways to play and one is a very rude way to play. Boats may be bad but I feel my case on boo is strong, and I feel his recent posts have been worthy of a slap in the face :P vote boo
Don't be so funny - I work in a library! I did literally LOL at your fake Boo Radley quote. I do find it compelling, I just felt more drawn toward Boats this time. I will definitely focus on the other Bs next time for sure. Maybe Boats and Boo Radley are both ones to vote for.

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I could see the Boats thing if there was something other than "He sped through that read up and seems to have a grasp on things, must be btsc". Also, the source of the Boats suspicion is nutella I think (she was the first to point out how Boats may have BTSC right?), and I'm not getting groovy vibes from her atm based on her Epig comment and subsequent explanation. I can see a scenario wherein Boats is bad and everything, but One piece of evidence is just not enough at this stage of the game to make me vote that way. Also having prepared this post as a response to you, I noticed Vomp say he'd have to go back and reread stuff involved in the event in order to address my question about who pinned him and Lizzy as teammates. I don't think that's the case. If Vomp posted "people think Lizzy and I were civ teammates" then surely he has an idea of which people said that.

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Mongoose wrote:
nutella wrote:RIP Eloh and Lizzy Now that Eloh's gone I have a serious risk of losing the contest And Vomps is hinting strongly about Lizzy so I'm worried that I might have been wrong about her... but clearly a splicer saw fit to kill her so I'm not the only one.

I'm looking at boats and boo today.

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Even after re-reading all the Boo and Boat posts earlier, I have once again mixed them up and have just re-read through all that mess for a third time. I gotta start eating carbs. Anyway, I am leaning towards Boats at this point. But any compelling arguments for Boo could sway me. The Lizzy death really threw me too, so I am now focusing on the B's.

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You don't see my case against boo as compelling? I'm offended! On a serious note, his defense seems to have gone from "Nope not defending myself" to "Fuck you lol lynch me IDK eat a dong". Neither are very civvie ways to play and one is a very rude way to play. Boats may be bad but I feel my case on boo is strong, and I feel his recent posts have been worthy of a slap in the face :P vote boo

EBWOP: Aw fuck nevermind. 33.

Vompatti wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:@Epig yeah that sucks about Eloh. She had like a 80% chance of surviving last night or something? Those odds are pretty good, though I guess they're also similar to being hit by a splicer and look how that turned out for Lizzy.
I don't understand why the baddies would want Lizzy dead. A lot of us were suspecting her pretty seriously. They must have gotten a good read on her actual role to have wanted her dead so badly.

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I wholeheartedly agree and furthermore wish to point out that I was and hopefully still am strongly suspected as Lizzy's (civ) teammate.

Again, the person that capped Lizzy was a civvie, so in actuality, someone had enough confidence in her baddieness to pull the trigger without a lynch. I disagree with that Splicer's decision, but what're ya gonna do ya know? Also, I don't suspect you as Lizzy's teammate civ or otherwise. Can you point out where/who thought this? Seems like an opportunistic thing to say.

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Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:@Epig yeah that sucks about Eloh. She had like a 80% chance of surviving last night or something? Those odds are pretty good, though I guess they're also similar to being hit by a splicer and look how that turned out for Lizzy.
I don't understand why the baddies would want Lizzy dead. A lot of us were suspecting her pretty seriously. They must have gotten a good read on her actual role to have wanted her dead so badly.

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Splicers are civvies yo. I guess one of them was like "fuck it I'mma do what I'mma do". Though I myself was leaning civ on Lizzy, I certainly wasn't prepared to vote for her.

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@Epig yeah that sucks about Eloh. She had like a 80% chance of surviving last night or something? Those odds are pretty good, though I guess they're also similar to being hit by a splicer and look how that turned out for Lizzy.

Mongoose wrote:I did not see that coming.

Also, please god let this event be over.

I think we have 48 hours to go. Though by all means you can bow out and I'll make the sacrifice of carrying on and winning. For the good of the many the few shall suffer!!

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Well that sucks terribly.

Vompatti wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I told you llama was good.

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So now that we all know you were right about llama, is there anyone specifically you are looking at? What are your thoughts on the people who voted for llama. You said your vote would be going to one of them. Do you have any idea which one?

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It's a Vompatti trap. he isn't in the event so you probs need to reduce your post count by one.
I aplologgize if I have caused any confusino. I hionesty had no diea I'm not supposed to number my posts.

There you go Mongoose. Though for the record I don't buy that it was a sinister attempt to boost/lower any legitimate posts. I still stick by my earlier statement though, that for everything there is a season. A time to be wacky and a time to compete.

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Snow Dog wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Snow Dog wrote: I disagree, he could have got the whole update from his team mates even before he logged on here. So Boats is definitely one candidate I will be looking at. Him and Vomps for trying to screw us up in posts counts. A possible baddie tactic.
That timeline actually hadn't occurred to me, and it does make sense.
Your second point is just silly though, the impact of that kind of shenanigan is really low,
and vomps is like that normally.

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Yes you maybe right about Vomps. Not totally into him being bad. But if I was bad it might be something I would do. get a possible civ kill or penalty with very little effort. It is worth bearing in mind at the very least alongside other evidence.

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I just want to address the whole Vomps thing for a minute, Snow. I've seen alot of players who develop similar "wacky" personas that people can use to excuse otherwise baddie behavior. They do dumb stuff because they know they can get away with it. I can name a few people off the top of my head who do this and to be quite honest, as the game progresses, that behavior becomes less and less tolerable. I know we're playing a game, but we're also trying to compete when it comes down to it. And when we have people who are not competing, contributing, etc, or who are acting wacky for the sake of acting wacky, it lessens our chances of competing successfully. Because either A) Their acting wacky, catch flak, and are civ or B) Their acting wacky, get excused, and are bad.

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Mongoose wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:

And @Epig - I'm not talking all that much anymore cuz I'm watching a podcast,
What podcast are you watching? I listen to Stuff You Missed in History Class when I'm at my night job (which is where I am now). It's good sometimes but also kind of cloying. </nosy>

Rooster Teeth podcast.

Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
nutella wrote:
• Little Sister 1 – Is guarded by Big Daddy (Bouncer) and searches for ADAM in dead players. Starts the game with a lynch vote value of zero. Every odd night she searches the dead players for a player who might have used a Plasmid. If she finds one who did in the course of his/her life, then she extracts the ADAM and gains the power of another vote for the remainder of the game.

• Little Sister 2 – Is guarded by Big Daddy (Rosie) and searches for ADAM in dead players. Starts the game with a lynch vote value of zero. Every even night she searches the dead players for a player who might have used a Plasmid. If she finds one who did in the course of his/her life, then she extracts the ADAM and gains the power of another vote for the remainder of the game.
here we go. Okay so they've each only had one night for the opportunity to find someone, so it's quite likely their votes still don't count.
Even if they were both successful, their votes would only be worth one by this point (and I agree that's unlikely). A self-vote could be an indication that the vote is worthless. However, would their teammates think self-voting (and the scrutiny it would bring) be a good strategy?

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Maybe the other teammate(s) aren't necessarily veteran players, and maybe wouldn't think that a self-vote would tip us off.

@ Dharma - Interesting thoughts on the selfishness of self-voting. I think we will all be scrutinizing such behavior even more from now on.

@ Epi - I'm back at a computer, so let's roll!

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Quoting Mongoose here but I'd like to address Epig and Mongoose.

First off, yes Mongoose, as I said I only self vote for selfish reasons usually. Mostly for prizes or for goofing around when I think or know I am not in any real danger. Though as Epig rightly pointed out, Self-voting is something that deprives us of a good deal of discussion, context, etc. And this late into the game I just can't fathom voting for oneself and being a civvie.

And @Epig - I'm not talking all that much anymore cuz I'm watching a podcast, and also I think I've taken up a good amount of everyone's time already. I'd like to give others the chance to blossom.

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Linki - D'aw shucks thanks Nev.

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